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Just curious--how is this different from regular contribution to articles? Doovinator 01:57, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Does astrology articles need to be more co-ordinated? I mean apart from its historical reference hasn't it all been shown to be a falsehood based upon numerous scientific studies which show that by no physical mechanism could the motions of the planets and stars cause significat effects upon a human, and that people born close to each other have no statisticaly significant similarities relative to people born over invervals separated by a significant period of time? -- Neo 22:44, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
That's an excellent example of the Pareto principle! -- Fractain 00:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Astrology |
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Background |
Traditions |
Branches |
Astrological signs |
Symbols |
The Astrology category currently holds 9 subcategories and 159 pages. These will need to be re-categorized along the lines of entries in the box on the main page (also shown to the right of this text). So perhaps suggestions to expand or modify that list could be collected here.
I also have a technical question: How can this box be edited? Aquirata 10:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Chris is right. The subject of Astrology is so major, spanning so many centuries, that perhaps the best way is to assign sections to those who have expertise and knowledge in these areas. One of the ways, that may help is taking two titles, Judicial (classical) Astrology and Natural Astrology and working within those pairs. I agree with Chris also on the Electional Astrology being solely based on Indian electional astrology; however, historical facts should suffice there as well with branches, as Chris suggested, going into different pages that can expand on the various astrological cultural traditions.
I think you probably just have an ambiguous sentence here, but I wonder if Chris thinks that electional astrology is of Hindu origin. It's probably the oldest Hellenistic astrology and clearly has origins in the Mediterranean long before Dorotheus in the First. The Hindus got astrology from the Mediterranean world originally. I don't think there's much room for doubt about that. At best, you might say there was some technical cross-pollination. And modern-day Hindu prasna is not at all the same as Western electional. NaySay 21:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Funny, I didn't know that William Lilly, who predicted the fire of London in 1660, was practicing Hindu astrology. Andrew Homer 19:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
The thing is that many people, while they've heard of Astrology, mostly have a popular culture view, which isn't much, when they hear the term. So, when they turn to resouces like Wikipedia, the Astrology Page itself should be clear, and clean enough to lead the reader towards sections that perhaps they are looking for, or want to learn more about (this includes critical views on astrology that provide perspective, rather than seeking to debunk the subject outright based on POV, either individual, or group-based conventional. Chris' direction helps provide more neutrality which is a definite road towards getting an expansive, knowledge-building, and cleaner Astrology Page. Theo
I have added a link to the 'Objective validity of astrology' article (now stored on Wikinfo) at the bottom of the page in a new section entitled 'External links'. This will preserve the link even if it is removed from the Astrology page. Research notes and suggestions for title change from old Talk page have also been copied over to Wikinfo. Aquirata 07:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Excellent resource Aquirata. Thanks! Theo
User:Mrwuggs is proposing to merge Counter-Earth and Antichthon together. Previously, it appears he merged both into the Antichthon article. This would be wrong, since the Counter-Earth article is not mainly involved with the Antichthon concept of antiquity. 132.205.44.134 02:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
there is a discussion on whether the asteroid 1181 Lilith has any relation at all to the astrological concept of the second moon / black moon / Lilith. From the section on the article, it seems that these two concepts are disjoint, and only share a name in common. There is an article Lilith (hypothetical moon). 132.205.93.148 00:52, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Astrology software pioneer (with Matrix Software) and AllMusicGuide founder Michael Erlewine has material he would like to include in the article. I'm unable to determine much about his astrology software claims, and hope that someone here can help make the article compliant while being fair to Erlewine's desire for coverage of this aspect of his career. See Talk:Michael Erlewine#Request for comment. -- Dhartung | Talk 03:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Some time ago there was a discussion on what Wikipedia's own horoscope looked like. See
Talk:Astrology/archive1#A_Horoscope_for_Wikipedia and these charts were produced . But a precise time was not available.
I just came across information on the posting of the first edit held here
Wikipedia:UuU which shows the first ever edit at 21:08, 16 January 2001.
Perhaps the Wikipedia Astrology project could decide a suitable fate for this information Lumos3 09:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Just noticed something... in the "Date and time" tab in the user preferences, the example date is January 15, 2001 at 16:12. Maybe this was the time the site went online? Drawing a chart for this time (I presume the time is in UTC as everything else recorded by the server is) is very interesting. It gives Aquarius rising at 18 degrees with Uranus at 19. Samuel Grant 16:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello all! I created the Astrology Portal as requested in the "Current goals" section of the main project page. Feel free to help out! AQu01rius ( User • Talk) 03:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on the featured article for January. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Sam 00:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 18:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
When you say "editors" are you referring to people as myself with 35 years experience in astrology who have contributed to the "Astrology" and "Zodiac" articles or the censors who keep deleting my contributions though they never have studied the topics? Andrew Homer 06:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 |
Just curious--how is this different from regular contribution to articles? Doovinator 01:57, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Does astrology articles need to be more co-ordinated? I mean apart from its historical reference hasn't it all been shown to be a falsehood based upon numerous scientific studies which show that by no physical mechanism could the motions of the planets and stars cause significat effects upon a human, and that people born close to each other have no statisticaly significant similarities relative to people born over invervals separated by a significant period of time? -- Neo 22:44, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
That's an excellent example of the Pareto principle! -- Fractain 00:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Astrology |
---|
Background |
Traditions |
Branches |
Astrological signs |
Symbols |
The Astrology category currently holds 9 subcategories and 159 pages. These will need to be re-categorized along the lines of entries in the box on the main page (also shown to the right of this text). So perhaps suggestions to expand or modify that list could be collected here.
I also have a technical question: How can this box be edited? Aquirata 10:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Chris is right. The subject of Astrology is so major, spanning so many centuries, that perhaps the best way is to assign sections to those who have expertise and knowledge in these areas. One of the ways, that may help is taking two titles, Judicial (classical) Astrology and Natural Astrology and working within those pairs. I agree with Chris also on the Electional Astrology being solely based on Indian electional astrology; however, historical facts should suffice there as well with branches, as Chris suggested, going into different pages that can expand on the various astrological cultural traditions.
I think you probably just have an ambiguous sentence here, but I wonder if Chris thinks that electional astrology is of Hindu origin. It's probably the oldest Hellenistic astrology and clearly has origins in the Mediterranean long before Dorotheus in the First. The Hindus got astrology from the Mediterranean world originally. I don't think there's much room for doubt about that. At best, you might say there was some technical cross-pollination. And modern-day Hindu prasna is not at all the same as Western electional. NaySay 21:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Funny, I didn't know that William Lilly, who predicted the fire of London in 1660, was practicing Hindu astrology. Andrew Homer 19:49, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
The thing is that many people, while they've heard of Astrology, mostly have a popular culture view, which isn't much, when they hear the term. So, when they turn to resouces like Wikipedia, the Astrology Page itself should be clear, and clean enough to lead the reader towards sections that perhaps they are looking for, or want to learn more about (this includes critical views on astrology that provide perspective, rather than seeking to debunk the subject outright based on POV, either individual, or group-based conventional. Chris' direction helps provide more neutrality which is a definite road towards getting an expansive, knowledge-building, and cleaner Astrology Page. Theo
I have added a link to the 'Objective validity of astrology' article (now stored on Wikinfo) at the bottom of the page in a new section entitled 'External links'. This will preserve the link even if it is removed from the Astrology page. Research notes and suggestions for title change from old Talk page have also been copied over to Wikinfo. Aquirata 07:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Excellent resource Aquirata. Thanks! Theo
User:Mrwuggs is proposing to merge Counter-Earth and Antichthon together. Previously, it appears he merged both into the Antichthon article. This would be wrong, since the Counter-Earth article is not mainly involved with the Antichthon concept of antiquity. 132.205.44.134 02:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
there is a discussion on whether the asteroid 1181 Lilith has any relation at all to the astrological concept of the second moon / black moon / Lilith. From the section on the article, it seems that these two concepts are disjoint, and only share a name in common. There is an article Lilith (hypothetical moon). 132.205.93.148 00:52, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Astrology software pioneer (with Matrix Software) and AllMusicGuide founder Michael Erlewine has material he would like to include in the article. I'm unable to determine much about his astrology software claims, and hope that someone here can help make the article compliant while being fair to Erlewine's desire for coverage of this aspect of his career. See Talk:Michael Erlewine#Request for comment. -- Dhartung | Talk 03:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Some time ago there was a discussion on what Wikipedia's own horoscope looked like. See
Talk:Astrology/archive1#A_Horoscope_for_Wikipedia and these charts were produced . But a precise time was not available.
I just came across information on the posting of the first edit held here
Wikipedia:UuU which shows the first ever edit at 21:08, 16 January 2001.
Perhaps the Wikipedia Astrology project could decide a suitable fate for this information Lumos3 09:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Just noticed something... in the "Date and time" tab in the user preferences, the example date is January 15, 2001 at 16:12. Maybe this was the time the site went online? Drawing a chart for this time (I presume the time is in UTC as everything else recorded by the server is) is very interesting. It gives Aquarius rising at 18 degrees with Uranus at 19. Samuel Grant 16:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello all! I created the Astrology Portal as requested in the "Current goals" section of the main project page. Feel free to help out! AQu01rius ( User • Talk) 03:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I've started a discussion on the featured article for January. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Sam 00:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 18:44, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
When you say "editors" are you referring to people as myself with 35 years experience in astrology who have contributed to the "Astrology" and "Zodiac" articles or the censors who keep deleting my contributions though they never have studied the topics? Andrew Homer 06:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)