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Improving JFK's Report to the American People on Civil Rights
Hello, Wikipedians. A project like this one is long overdue. I noticed that today one of your members placed the project banner on the Report to the American People on Civil Rights article. I've been overhauling that article since fall. Though my work has slowed recently, I was hoping to get it through FAC in time for June 11 2018 so it could be FA of the day. Most of my work is complete; the only two sections of the article that need improvement are a rewrite of the lead and for the "Content" section to be finished. I have the sources to complete the latter task. Any help is welcome. - Indy beetle ( talk) 17:33, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone want a participant infobox? I can create one (I've done it before). What would others like to see the image be? - Tim1965 ( talk) 16:57, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- A nice offer. I don't use many infoboxes myself, but it would be a nice one to have for those who use them. The image is a good question, and I'll see what others think, just wanted to thank you for the good idea. Randy Kryn ( talk) 20:39, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
Dicklyon You stated that "consensus says not to cap this" in your edit summary to make this edit. What are you referring to? Mitchumch ( talk) 06:44, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
- Referring to
MOS:CAPS and the recent discussion about caps specifically at
Talk:Civil rights movement. It's not a proper name, so we don't dress it up as such.
Dicklyon (
talk)
16:32, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
- I wouldn't have commented but for the "...we don't dress it up as such". The Civil Rights Movement, and most of the people in the WikiProject can't help but call it any other name (at least in the confines of our clubhouse to which you have a key), does not have to be "dressed up" to make it a proper noun. Which of course it is, from a very well-sourced point of view and from the common-sense perspective of what makes a historical era historic. Randy Kryn ( talk) 19:50, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
...put that nonsense in the explanation template? It's quite surrealistic, in one way, and not a very good face to present to the readers in another. I am getting more used to it though, a commentary on which title-case to use no doubt, worthy of the Museum of Bad Art. Randy Kryn ( talk) 19:53, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
There is a current discussion on the Leo Tolstoy talk page if James Bevel should be listed among the major practitioners of nonviolence of the 20th century. An editor there has already requested comments from others. Randy Kryn ( talk) 19:42, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Re BlacKkKlansman, there is an RfC ongoing at Talk:Ron Stallworth regarding the use of a high school yearbook photo for a biography, with issues of quality, relevance, consent, copyright, etc. Please visit and comment on the appropriateness of using this image on the page; or comment on a generalization of that question if you prefer. Thank you. Dicklyon ( talk) 22:31, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I tried to introduce a phrase mentionning Joel Poinsett's view on the slave system, mostly because of the links with the biography of Septima Poinsette Clark (her fater was a slave in Poinsett's farm). I would need your help, because I find it hard to determine exactly how to put a phrase in his bio concerning his positions on slavery (he was a unionist, owned slaves and clearly expressed views about the alleged superiority of white people.) Here is the post I left after my phrase was reverted (alhough I admit there is more need for clarification). As you are probably more familiar with the topic than me, I would appreciate your opinion. I will post this message elsewhere as well to foster discussion-- Nattes à chat ( talk) 07:49, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
Help changing the Tulsa Race Massacre/Greenwood Massacre's article title away from " Tulsa race riot"
Hi there. Apologies from an infrequent contributor who's lousy at the formats and protocols required to do this properly. The recent Watchmen (HBO) premiere has brought unprecedented public attention to the overlooked history of the Black Wallstreet Massacre (Greenwood Massacre, Tulsa Race Massacre). An important moment for Wikipedia's entry to reflect an accurate, unbiased portrait of one of the most significant occurrences of large-scale white supremacist violence in post-slavery American history. The current wiki entry is titled "Tulsa race riot." Recent move-requests have been denied and as far as I can tell it's impossible to edit that title (but, like I said, I'm a perpetual newbie and terrible at these kinds of edits). "Riot" connotes a chaotic, multi-sided conflict involving violence with no particular intent. The Tulsa attacks were one-sided, highly directed (by white Americans, against black Americans) and far from intent-less. The article already reports that there are several alternate names for the event and it's a textually minor task to promote a more accurate designation (e.g. Tulsa race massacre) to Title status while demoting "riot" to the list of alternate designations. Textually minor but historically significant. My experience with wikipedia is that the site's conservatism shows up whenever you try to make edits that push against some longstanding bias. Change a title like this and it gets changed back by editors claiming that to edit in recognition of past racism, sexism etc. is itself biased. The reversions are so unrelenting that it's hard not to give up, even though the logic of the conservatives is clearly flawed and antithetical to this site's own regulations supporting neutrality.
The events of 1921 in Tulsa were clearly a massacre, not a riot. I need help from more experienced editors to wrestle Wikipedia's version of that history away from a racially biased narrative. I'd say it's a high priority at this specific moment, when a very prominent network is introducing large numbers of viewers to this event for the first time. GDswamp ( talk) 17:57, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Balance at Forced into Glory
Please see: Talk:Forced into Glory § Balance: Conflict between Lincoln critics like Bennett, and critics of those critics.
The article (on a somewhat controversial biography of Abraham Lincoln) rarely has editors or even talk-page comments, so additional input is requested. PoV issues with our article have been pointed out since 2009, and the off-site academic controversy involving the book's notable author, Lerone Bennett Jr., and his views about Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation goes back to the 1960s. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Are there any? I'm thinking government, VoA etc. But how to access? Hopefully there's a database? Hope everyone's well! —— Serial # 13:05, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Everyone, To get involved with Juneteenth editing, I've edited the page for the Selma to Montgomery National Historic Trail and removed the redirect. I'm going to work on it more today, but I thought I'd let the project know! Thanks for putting lots of ideas and resources here. best wishes, ( Lajmmoore ( talk) 10:25, 19 June 2020 (UTC))
The Wikipedia Library recently gained partial access to the ProQuest Historical Newspapers database. ProQuest Historical Newspapers includes the ProQuest Black Newspapers collection, but The Wikipedia Library does not have access to that collection yet. Access to ProQuest Black Newspapers will enable Wikipedians to improve biographies on prominent African-Americans and expand coverage on major events in American history from an African-American perspective. It has been suggested on The Wikipedia Library Card Platform to give Wikipedians full access to ProQuest Historical Newspapers through The Wikipedia Library. Editors who wish to contribute towards Wikipedia gaining access to ProQuest Black Newspapers are encouraged to express their support here. Thanks. Krakkos ( talk) 10:19, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Coffee, Malik Shabazz, Randy Kryn, Dicklyon, Tim1965, GPRamirez5, Dmenkart, Thebryan01, HAL333, and Waggie: I wanted to ask each of you to write a short description of your interest in the civil rights movement topic on Wikipedia in the Participants section of the project page. I've written my interest. I hope this will allow each editor to explain what about crm draws them to this project. Thank you. Mitchumch ( talk) 18:14, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
The Template:CRM in Alabama is a huge sidebar, with 54 helpful links to "articles" included in it, but 25 of the articles do not exist. Would these not be part of a "to-do" list of 25 potential articles for the WikiProject Civil Rights Movement team to work on first, rather than adding them all to a "go-live" sea of red template? (see History of Alabama#Civil Rights Movement and redistricting, 1945–1975) Or is this the normal way to attract editors to the Project? I do not belong to any Projects, so I do not know – that is why I am asking. Thank you. Jmg38 ( talk) 04:54, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Recommend adding this project to David Ruggles article
Hello. I've been a long time absent contributor, but recently heard an interview with Jonathan Wells, the author of The Kidnapping Club: Wall Street, Slavery, and Resistance on the Eve of the Civil War on the subject of his book, which included Mr. Ruggles, as he wrote a contemporary artcile on the subject in the early 19th century. I see that the currentle article is not so bad, but still a start up and so am waving it under the nose of projects I thought it would fall under in the hopes that more active contributors might add to it/fix it/etc. IMHO ( talk) 22:36, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Greetings! I sincerely hope that my post will not be considered a spam (I apologize if so), however I thought it will be the best place to ask my question. I am Polish Wikipedia user where I cover mostly the topics related to Holocaust, war crimes but also various human right violations. For some quite time I think about creating or expanding the articles on pl.wiki about the Nadir of American race relations (especially Lynching in the United States and Red Summer) but also about the Birmingham campaign. Could you please recommend some most important, "canonical" books (written by professional historians) about these issues? Thank you in advance. Dreamcatcher25 ( talk) 12:15, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
I've added some context to the Confederate Memorial Day article, along with sources, as it's been well-established by historians that the holiday was originally promoted during the Jim Crow era to reinforce white supremacy, and revived during the Civil Rights Movement in the 1950s (much like the concurrent rise of Confederate monuments). There's one editor who is insisting on removing this sourced material. I would prefer some editors get involved before it gets too ugly, because I have some experience with editors who want to removed what they consider "negative" items from an article, and I think a third or fourth party might be helpful here. Wes sideman ( talk) 13:16, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
I just created an article for Robert M. Toms, he was a prosecutor and judge in Wayne County Michigan from 1910 to 1959. He was involved in civil rights in positives and negative ways. He was the prosecutor that tried the Sweet trials in Michigan during 1925/26 and was up against Clarence Darrow. He also appointed the first African American assistant prosecutor in Wayne County Michigan. He was not a major part of the civil rights movement either way, but is reported as being the early setup to the movement in the 1960s. So I don't know if he should be included in your project or not. So I am asking your group if you would like to have his article added, please review his article and add to it if you think it should be. If not thank your for looking. Jsgoodrich ( talk) 02:37, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello! On behalf of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, I have drafted a replacement Wikipedia entry for editor review. On the article's Talk page, I have outlined how the current entry is problematic and shared how I think the draft is a significant improvement. I do not edit the main space because of my conflict of interest, so I'm seeking assistance from other editors to implement the improved text on my behalf. Are any WikiProject Civil Rights Movement members willing to take a look? Thanks for your consideration, Inkian Jason ( talk) 14:44, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Done The draft has been reviewed. Thanks!
Inkian Jason (
talk)
14:42, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to help improve
Draft:Cyril deGrasse Tyson, which may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ––
FormalDude
(talk)
08:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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Improving JFK's Report to the American People on Civil Rights
Hello, Wikipedians. A project like this one is long overdue. I noticed that today one of your members placed the project banner on the Report to the American People on Civil Rights article. I've been overhauling that article since fall. Though my work has slowed recently, I was hoping to get it through FAC in time for June 11 2018 so it could be FA of the day. Most of my work is complete; the only two sections of the article that need improvement are a rewrite of the lead and for the "Content" section to be finished. I have the sources to complete the latter task. Any help is welcome. - Indy beetle ( talk) 17:33, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone want a participant infobox? I can create one (I've done it before). What would others like to see the image be? - Tim1965 ( talk) 16:57, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
- A nice offer. I don't use many infoboxes myself, but it would be a nice one to have for those who use them. The image is a good question, and I'll see what others think, just wanted to thank you for the good idea. Randy Kryn ( talk) 20:39, 28 February 2018 (UTC)
Dicklyon You stated that "consensus says not to cap this" in your edit summary to make this edit. What are you referring to? Mitchumch ( talk) 06:44, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
- Referring to
MOS:CAPS and the recent discussion about caps specifically at
Talk:Civil rights movement. It's not a proper name, so we don't dress it up as such.
Dicklyon (
talk)
16:32, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
- I wouldn't have commented but for the "...we don't dress it up as such". The Civil Rights Movement, and most of the people in the WikiProject can't help but call it any other name (at least in the confines of our clubhouse to which you have a key), does not have to be "dressed up" to make it a proper noun. Which of course it is, from a very well-sourced point of view and from the common-sense perspective of what makes a historical era historic. Randy Kryn ( talk) 19:50, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
...put that nonsense in the explanation template? It's quite surrealistic, in one way, and not a very good face to present to the readers in another. I am getting more used to it though, a commentary on which title-case to use no doubt, worthy of the Museum of Bad Art. Randy Kryn ( talk) 19:53, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
There is a current discussion on the Leo Tolstoy talk page if James Bevel should be listed among the major practitioners of nonviolence of the 20th century. An editor there has already requested comments from others. Randy Kryn ( talk) 19:42, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Re BlacKkKlansman, there is an RfC ongoing at Talk:Ron Stallworth regarding the use of a high school yearbook photo for a biography, with issues of quality, relevance, consent, copyright, etc. Please visit and comment on the appropriateness of using this image on the page; or comment on a generalization of that question if you prefer. Thank you. Dicklyon ( talk) 22:31, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I tried to introduce a phrase mentionning Joel Poinsett's view on the slave system, mostly because of the links with the biography of Septima Poinsette Clark (her fater was a slave in Poinsett's farm). I would need your help, because I find it hard to determine exactly how to put a phrase in his bio concerning his positions on slavery (he was a unionist, owned slaves and clearly expressed views about the alleged superiority of white people.) Here is the post I left after my phrase was reverted (alhough I admit there is more need for clarification). As you are probably more familiar with the topic than me, I would appreciate your opinion. I will post this message elsewhere as well to foster discussion-- Nattes à chat ( talk) 07:49, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
Help changing the Tulsa Race Massacre/Greenwood Massacre's article title away from " Tulsa race riot"
Hi there. Apologies from an infrequent contributor who's lousy at the formats and protocols required to do this properly. The recent Watchmen (HBO) premiere has brought unprecedented public attention to the overlooked history of the Black Wallstreet Massacre (Greenwood Massacre, Tulsa Race Massacre). An important moment for Wikipedia's entry to reflect an accurate, unbiased portrait of one of the most significant occurrences of large-scale white supremacist violence in post-slavery American history. The current wiki entry is titled "Tulsa race riot." Recent move-requests have been denied and as far as I can tell it's impossible to edit that title (but, like I said, I'm a perpetual newbie and terrible at these kinds of edits). "Riot" connotes a chaotic, multi-sided conflict involving violence with no particular intent. The Tulsa attacks were one-sided, highly directed (by white Americans, against black Americans) and far from intent-less. The article already reports that there are several alternate names for the event and it's a textually minor task to promote a more accurate designation (e.g. Tulsa race massacre) to Title status while demoting "riot" to the list of alternate designations. Textually minor but historically significant. My experience with wikipedia is that the site's conservatism shows up whenever you try to make edits that push against some longstanding bias. Change a title like this and it gets changed back by editors claiming that to edit in recognition of past racism, sexism etc. is itself biased. The reversions are so unrelenting that it's hard not to give up, even though the logic of the conservatives is clearly flawed and antithetical to this site's own regulations supporting neutrality.
The events of 1921 in Tulsa were clearly a massacre, not a riot. I need help from more experienced editors to wrestle Wikipedia's version of that history away from a racially biased narrative. I'd say it's a high priority at this specific moment, when a very prominent network is introducing large numbers of viewers to this event for the first time. GDswamp ( talk) 17:57, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Balance at Forced into Glory
Please see: Talk:Forced into Glory § Balance: Conflict between Lincoln critics like Bennett, and critics of those critics.
The article (on a somewhat controversial biography of Abraham Lincoln) rarely has editors or even talk-page comments, so additional input is requested. PoV issues with our article have been pointed out since 2009, and the off-site academic controversy involving the book's notable author, Lerone Bennett Jr., and his views about Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation goes back to the 1960s. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 23:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Are there any? I'm thinking government, VoA etc. But how to access? Hopefully there's a database? Hope everyone's well! —— Serial # 13:05, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Everyone, To get involved with Juneteenth editing, I've edited the page for the Selma to Montgomery National Historic Trail and removed the redirect. I'm going to work on it more today, but I thought I'd let the project know! Thanks for putting lots of ideas and resources here. best wishes, ( Lajmmoore ( talk) 10:25, 19 June 2020 (UTC))
The Wikipedia Library recently gained partial access to the ProQuest Historical Newspapers database. ProQuest Historical Newspapers includes the ProQuest Black Newspapers collection, but The Wikipedia Library does not have access to that collection yet. Access to ProQuest Black Newspapers will enable Wikipedians to improve biographies on prominent African-Americans and expand coverage on major events in American history from an African-American perspective. It has been suggested on The Wikipedia Library Card Platform to give Wikipedians full access to ProQuest Historical Newspapers through The Wikipedia Library. Editors who wish to contribute towards Wikipedia gaining access to ProQuest Black Newspapers are encouraged to express their support here. Thanks. Krakkos ( talk) 10:19, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
Coffee, Malik Shabazz, Randy Kryn, Dicklyon, Tim1965, GPRamirez5, Dmenkart, Thebryan01, HAL333, and Waggie: I wanted to ask each of you to write a short description of your interest in the civil rights movement topic on Wikipedia in the Participants section of the project page. I've written my interest. I hope this will allow each editor to explain what about crm draws them to this project. Thank you. Mitchumch ( talk) 18:14, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
The Template:CRM in Alabama is a huge sidebar, with 54 helpful links to "articles" included in it, but 25 of the articles do not exist. Would these not be part of a "to-do" list of 25 potential articles for the WikiProject Civil Rights Movement team to work on first, rather than adding them all to a "go-live" sea of red template? (see History of Alabama#Civil Rights Movement and redistricting, 1945–1975) Or is this the normal way to attract editors to the Project? I do not belong to any Projects, so I do not know – that is why I am asking. Thank you. Jmg38 ( talk) 04:54, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
Recommend adding this project to David Ruggles article
Hello. I've been a long time absent contributor, but recently heard an interview with Jonathan Wells, the author of The Kidnapping Club: Wall Street, Slavery, and Resistance on the Eve of the Civil War on the subject of his book, which included Mr. Ruggles, as he wrote a contemporary artcile on the subject in the early 19th century. I see that the currentle article is not so bad, but still a start up and so am waving it under the nose of projects I thought it would fall under in the hopes that more active contributors might add to it/fix it/etc. IMHO ( talk) 22:36, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Greetings! I sincerely hope that my post will not be considered a spam (I apologize if so), however I thought it will be the best place to ask my question. I am Polish Wikipedia user where I cover mostly the topics related to Holocaust, war crimes but also various human right violations. For some quite time I think about creating or expanding the articles on pl.wiki about the Nadir of American race relations (especially Lynching in the United States and Red Summer) but also about the Birmingham campaign. Could you please recommend some most important, "canonical" books (written by professional historians) about these issues? Thank you in advance. Dreamcatcher25 ( talk) 12:15, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
I've added some context to the Confederate Memorial Day article, along with sources, as it's been well-established by historians that the holiday was originally promoted during the Jim Crow era to reinforce white supremacy, and revived during the Civil Rights Movement in the 1950s (much like the concurrent rise of Confederate monuments). There's one editor who is insisting on removing this sourced material. I would prefer some editors get involved before it gets too ugly, because I have some experience with editors who want to removed what they consider "negative" items from an article, and I think a third or fourth party might be helpful here. Wes sideman ( talk) 13:16, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
I just created an article for Robert M. Toms, he was a prosecutor and judge in Wayne County Michigan from 1910 to 1959. He was involved in civil rights in positives and negative ways. He was the prosecutor that tried the Sweet trials in Michigan during 1925/26 and was up against Clarence Darrow. He also appointed the first African American assistant prosecutor in Wayne County Michigan. He was not a major part of the civil rights movement either way, but is reported as being the early setup to the movement in the 1960s. So I don't know if he should be included in your project or not. So I am asking your group if you would like to have his article added, please review his article and add to it if you think it should be. If not thank your for looking. Jsgoodrich ( talk) 02:37, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello! On behalf of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, I have drafted a replacement Wikipedia entry for editor review. On the article's Talk page, I have outlined how the current entry is problematic and shared how I think the draft is a significant improvement. I do not edit the main space because of my conflict of interest, so I'm seeking assistance from other editors to implement the improved text on my behalf. Are any WikiProject Civil Rights Movement members willing to take a look? Thanks for your consideration, Inkian Jason ( talk) 14:44, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Done The draft has been reviewed. Thanks!
Inkian Jason (
talk)
14:42, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to help improve
Draft:Cyril deGrasse Tyson, which may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ––
FormalDude
(talk)
08:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)