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As {{
Certification Table Entry}} already standardizes the certification citation procedure I went a bit
bold and experimented with letting it categorize by the certification. To activate this, one needs to manually set the autocat
variable. While the feature is fully working, I applied it only to two articles,
Britney (album) and
Amarantine (album), and created only the categories needed for this. I tried to follow the established standards for the category names. I might do some more tonight. Opinions? Keep in mind that these categories already existed, they were just used mostly for Japan and to some extent for singles. Edit: also did
PCD (album),
And Winter Came... and
...Baby One More Time. See what you think. --
Muhandes (
talk)
21:52, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
I am aware that if an album or song is not in English, then the rules of capitalization of that language applies. But if there's a bit of both? Albums like Desde un Principio: From the Beginning is in both languages. While on the Grammy Award for Best Mexican/Mexican-American Album, there are album and song names that uses both Spanish and English languages. How do we address the rules of capitalization then? Thanks! Magiciandude ( talk) 23:30, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Copied from Wikipedia talk:Requested moves#Unilateral moves to meet a foreign language music guideline because if there is consensus then the wording of this project may need changing:
Possibly not the ideal location for this discussion, but here goes... User talk:Magiciandude is moving a whole bunch of Spanish-language singles and albums without discussion in order to decapitalise certain words, in accordance with a Wikiproject guideline (namely WP:ALBUMCAPS). I'd like some input from the "moving" community on (a) whether this unilateral behaviour is appropriate, (b) whether this guideline supersedes WP:COMMONNAME and (c) whether ALBUMCAPS is actually correct in relation to the way in which we verify our facts. The user also seems content to move the page, leaving references to the old title throughout the articles he moves and in templates that reference the old name. The Rambling Man ( talk) 16:25, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
First I want to make an apology over this commotion. Yes, I did start by following a guideline, not knowing there was a contradictory policy over it. It started when El Mexicano informed about the incorrect grammatical error on Spanish-language album and song names. Then I saw the guideline about capitalization and thought that's how it's supposed to be done. To be honest, I am indifferent as to whether or not the all foreign names should follow the English standards or not. Again, I apologize for this. Magiciandude ( talk) 19:00, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
According to Spanish spelling rules, only the first word of ANY title is written with initial upper case, except for proper names in titles. I have told this several times here, but I was always ignored. I think Royal Spanish Academy knows better than anybody how to write titles in Spanish. English sources are unreliable in this matter. If something is written in a foreing language, you must keep the rules of THAT language and not the English ones. Several Spanish language titles are incorrectly spelled here. So Magiciandude did it the right way when he moved the titles. -- El Mexicano ( talk) 19:16, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
-- PBS ( talk) 00:12, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, use reliable secondary sources, not titles synthesised from a particular academic perspective. We use "verifiability not truth" in English Wikipedia. The Rambling Man ( talk) 13:40, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi everyone, well, first of all, I agree that we need verifiable sources for every information in Wikipedia, BUT: there are some facts, like spelling rules for languages, that can be easily verifiable, even though they are not written in English. In Spanish, as a foreign language, the rule for titles is to write only the first word with initial upper case, except, of course, for proper names in the title. This rule, I think, can't be misunderstood. So I think, in this case, since it is an encyclopedia, me must keep the spelling rules rather then follow incorrect customs. Anyhow a Spanish title is written even though in the album itself, it can be the incorrect as well, as they are the most of times.
Panhispanic Dictionary of Doubts, "Mayúsculas" (Use of Upper Case), Royal Spanish Academy, 2005
Regards, -- El Mexicano ( talk) 21:37, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Well we're getting somewhere at last!! Yes, you need multiple verifiable sources to support the name of anything, so your examples which quote only a single example really aren't very useful. This is very straight-forward indeed. You need to follow WP:NAME. The current recommendation of ALBUMCAPS is simply incorrect and contravenes the Wikipedia-wide policy of verifiability. This ALBUMCAPS approach basically says "make the name up according to some linguistic rules on a website somewhere" whereas we need verifiable, netural point-of-view names with no original research (e.g. using a set of rules on a particular website to create album/single names).
The approach that El Mexicano has taken, to blanket move many articles based on his interpretation of how albums/singles are titled according to his version of the naming policy is incorrect. The moves should be reverted. ALBUMCAPS is incorrect and needs to be deleted.
Of course, the answer to your last question isn't simple. We need multiple reliable sources. We should look for more instances of the title published elsewhere and then move the page to the name which has a consensus that it meets WP:NAME. Hope that helps! The Rambling Man ( talk) 08:37, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
If the album title uses the Latin alphabet, the article name should be at that title. Translations of titles in languages other than English should not be used as titles unless such a translation is commonly used as a title for the album in the English-speaking world. For example, Født til å Herske, not Born to Rule...
...but Common Jasmin Orange, not Qi li xiang, 七里香, or Seven Mile Fragrance (because the English name "Common Jasmin Orange" appears on the album cover along with the Chinese name)
Some considerations:
As I see, IbLeo is the only one who understands my point of view. Just an example. If a Spanish title is simply misspelled in an English source or US album edition, like it happened with Lunada: they put "Desolvidantode" instead of "Desolvidándote", you will use the incorrect and misspelled title just because it is in an English source??? Another example. If song titles appear on the album itself ALL CAPITALIZED, then you will entitle here the articles this way??? Sorry, but you can't think it seriously. In an encyclopedia you should spell everything according to the spelling rules of each language, regardless of what appears in any English sources. -- El Mexicano ( talk) 19:13, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
I am disappointed, and I find it rather disrespectful, that Pmanderson removed the debated guideline from the project page before this discussion has come to an end. Anything on this project's pages has been thoroughly discussed until a consensus between the interested project members was reached. I have already added a link to the relevant discussion in the project archives: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 26#Foreign language capitalization. I am going to be off-line for the next four days, so I will take a step back from this discussion. At the same time I have put all my arguments forward and don't really have anything else to add. In the mean time I hope that some of the other project members will step forward and state their opinion on this matter. – Ib Leo (talk) 22:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Just my two cents - I agree with the current capitalization policy. I currently come across this problem with Japanese album titles. Japanese artists use Roman characters in poetic and expressive ways. There are no capitalization rules for Roman characters in Japanese, so we apply the English standard here. I believe since this is the English Wikipedia, English capitalization and punctuation should always be used. I also think your average reader will assume any lack of capitalization of an album title to be mistake, especially if they aren't familiar with the source language.
Denaar (
talk) 04:30, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Ok re-reading - The capitalization listed on this article is the opposite of every other guideline on Wikipedia. Per the
WP:MOS: "Observe the style adopted by high-quality sources. Unless there is a clear reason to do otherwise, follow the usage of reliable English-language secondary sources on the subject. If the sources can be shown to be unrepresentative of current English usage, follow current English usage instead—and consult more sources." It doesn't make sense to use the capitalization of the language, because that contradicts what the Manual of Style says - which is to use reliable English Language secondary sources. When those sources can't be found, or are found to be unrepresentative of current English usuage, use current English Usage - ie, use standard English capitalization. I suggest we change the language to match the
WP:MOS.
Denaar (
talk)
14:20, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't have any involvement with WikiProject Albums, but since this topic of capitalization crops up elsewhere, perhaps a passer-by can add a few contrarian points here:
A working, good-enough media player would be a lovely feature for this project. Just wondering if Commons.js already have a media plugin - something like jquery.media.js. Sal9000 ( talk) 23:30, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
I found that
The Fall (Gorillaz album) is currently included in
Category:Album articles with non-standard infoboxes because |Type=
has value "iPad Album" in its infobox. This obviously doesn't make much sense, but I actually can't see what value should be used. It's not a studio album as it's recorded at home, not a demo album either as there are no intentions of going into a studio to re-record the songs. So what kind of animal is this? – Ib
Leo
(talk)
07:09, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Just for information—the type of this album hasn´t been resolved yet. For the moment, the Type parameter is not filled and the album still pops up in Category:Album articles with non-standard infoboxes. The relevant discussion is here, in case anyone wants to give it a go. I am personally not going to spend any more energy on this. – Ib Leo (talk) 18:40, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Why has this template started looking smaller? Anybody else noticed this? Dan56 ( talk) 22:01, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Which one is a better title for a soundtrack album? For eg, "127 Hours: Music from the Motion Picture" or "127 Hours (soundtrack)"? Is there a guideline regarding this? I have seen articles using both titles. -- Arfaz ( talk) 15:05, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I would like to hear some opinions about using an album review from Jambands.com. The review that I'm debating using is this one that was written by there senior editor. Thanks J04n( talk page) 12:02, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
I would like a review of HipHopDX.com as a credible album reveiwer in album articles. This has been discussed before with nothing achieved. It is a very reliable source for music info and the album reviews seem to be credible. So should this be added to WP:ALBUM/REVSIT? STATic message me! 17:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
It appears that Spin Magazine now has a 10-point rating system instead of a 5-star rating system. I'm not sure how this effects previous albums that were released, but I think their new method should now be reflected on the WP:ALBUM/REVSIT page. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 04:33, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
See Table showing productivity/size of the 48 music projects for information about this project and other music groups. -- Klein zach 07:50, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this (if it's not please link me to the right place and i'll discuss it there), but could we create a category for albums that have been covermount (means released free in a newspaper or magazine). Examples include A Night in NYC, Songbook, The Dreams We Have as Children amongst so many others with articles. -- 92.237.84.183 ( talk) 15:39, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
A discussion over whether reviews by www.deadpress.co.uk are notable/reliable has been started at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard here. Comments are welcome. A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 22:38, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Dear all,
In April of this year I had proposed Metal Storm as a professional review site. This case has remained unresolved and was archived in June after nobody had contributed to the discussion anymore. Half a year later I'd like to bring this topic up again, mainly because I'm not too fond of it being unresolved, but also because there have been some important changes on the site, such as the institution of paid positions instead of the volunteers-only nature of the site.
In the following I'll just copy my old appeal and also add some remarks. If someone wants to read the full discussion, you can do so in the the archive link provided above.
I'd like to propose Metal Storm [6] as a professional review site. It's listed among the non-professional sites, but I cannot find any discussion in the archives which has led to this classification. Metal Storm has existed for ten years now and is run by a fixed staff of volunteers.
It also features a lot of guest reviews, but those all contain a disclaimer. According to Alexa Metal Storm used to be the most visited webzine in the heavy metal category while it still was on the URL MetalStorm.ee, second only to the database Encyclopaedia Metallum. Recently the URL was changed to MetalStorm.net to emphasize its global character - through the change it has also dropped in Alexa rank as the former URLs (.ee and .eu) still redirect to MetalStorm.net.
Nonetheless it is a highly notable webzine which has made its appearance in print magazines and many other online media: the German print magazine Legacy has featured an article by Metal Storm in its October 2009 issue [7] [8] (the last sentence mentions Metal Storm and the involved staffers), the (now defunct) Estonian print fanzine Pläkk used to feature a page in English with Metal Storm’s reviews and the Belgian/Flemish newspaper "Gazet Van Antwerpen" has printed news about the victory of the Belgian band Oceans of Sadness in the Metal Storm Awards (here the news item on the newspaper’s online portal). The online news portal Blabbermouth regularly references Metal Storm’s news and interviews [9] and the annual Metal Storm Awards have received several mentions on Brave Words. Metal Storm is also in official partnership with Hellfest, one of Europe's biggest heavy metal festivals [10]. A quote from a Metal Storm review has also been printed on a sticker on the Peaceville re-release of Carpathian Forest's "Through Chasm, Caves and Titan Woods" in 2007. Unfortunately I don’t have the image link anymore.
The rating system of the site generally is the 10 star system, some reviewers however refuse to add ratings to their reviews, so for those cases tags in the "(favorable)" format should probably be used.
As a staff member of the site in question I am probably accused of COI. I am however familiar with the policies and standards of Wikipedia. Therefore I’d also like to add a restriction: the standards of Metal Storm have changed over the years, there are a lot of sub-par reviews on the site, especially from the first half of the decade before our standards shifted. I guess a remark "Only add official reviews (i.e. without guest review disclaimer) from 2007 onwards" would be fine as that would also be the time when Peaceville quoted Metal Storm on their album sticker, thus being the first date I can think of when MS has fulfilled Wikipedia’s notability standards.
I hereby rest my case. What do you think? Any chance Metal Storm could be included?
Promonex (
talk)
04:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Third opinions on this proposal would be highly appreciated. – Ib Leo (talk) 17:28, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
So this proposition is already 2 1/2 months old again. As I see it there is one vote clearly in favor (IbLeo), one vote in favor (LordNecronus) and one more vote leaning towards favorable (J04n). No objections so far. How about accepting the proposition until someone decides to challenge it for whatever reason? Promonex ( talk) 17:21, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
This discussion has been going on long enough and I believe there is consensus to add Metal Storm as an acceptable professional review site, with the reservations proposed above (no guest reviews, no staff reviews older than 2009). I have just done the necessary update. Promonex, given your obvious COI your behavior in this discussion has been exemplary. Thank you. – Ib Leo (talk) 06:50, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
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See contributions for 130.89.172.35 and 77.248.88.252. Theses two anons have been adding Nocover.svg to several hundred articles. I could use some assistance going through all the articles and uploading appropriate cover images, as i already have a backlog of nearly 600 albums in need of covers, with over 600 already taken care of. Jasper420 01:16, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
|cover=
parameter isn't filled in? Seems like that'd be simpler than teaching editors to manually put a separate template on the talk page, then manually remove it when the cover's added. It could be automatic. --
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I haven't seen anything on the citation guidelines about how to go about citing the liner notes of an album. Is this something to be avoided or am I just overlooking something I should be doing? GRAPPLE X 21:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't know how to do it, but Excerpts From The Holy Book Of Rhyme needs to be deleted. Jasper420 00:38, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Should the European Top 100 Albums chart be included in the charts section for WP:Albums? Notabable chart? Dan56 ( talk) 20:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
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I was confused by the article's statement that the album was released in August 2009 and recorded in September 2009. Seems a bit impossible, right? I got the album from the library and the liner notes say, "In 2007, we were honored to be special guests of the LA Philharmonic Orchestra to perform the 40th anniversary of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band."
The guest artists the article lists for a 2009 performance are listed in the album liner notes for the 2007 performance.
I haven't seen the video version, but based on listening to the album I'd say guest vocalist Ian Ball is a featured performer, singing almost as much as Robin Zander.
Parts of the last paragraph read like a press release from Cheap Trick's promoters. I love Cheap Trick and have tickets for a show next month, but it seems like Wikipedia is striving to be more cool and collected. Specifically: "is an energetic performance that features an orchestra and a captivating experience of..." "an unforgettable musical experience." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.156.29.37 ( talk) 18:38, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
I've proposed splitting this guideline, and have opened an RFC: Wikipedia talk:Record charts/RFC.— Kww( talk) 20:32, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
A new editor, Prjulius ( talk · contribs), has spent today adding reviews from a site called inyourspeakers.com to album articles. I've looked at the site and I'm not sure whether it meets our criteria (from WP:ALBUM/REVSIT). It seems to have a paid or volunteer staff, but it doesn't say when it was formed or by whom so it's hard to say whether it's new or has had time to develop a reputation in the field. I get wary of linkspam when a user's contributions consist solely of adding links to a single website, so I thought I'd put it up for discussion. What does everyone think? Legitimate source that we should add to our list, or should it be reverted? I've asked the editor in question to comment here. -- IllaZilla ( talk) 20:19, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
It's been 2 weeks. If no one pipes up with an opinion today I'm going to go ahead and roll back the user's edits on the basis of the site being unreliable. -- IllaZilla ( talk) 14:54, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Heads up if it hasn't already been mentioned here before: apparently Allmusic has upped the rating scores for a number of albums released in the past decade, as explained here, meaning some pages should be updated. WesleyDodds ( talk) 09:55, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
The crux of the issue is that we are reporting a NON-release date in a PREFORMATTED field titled "Released:". Radio date is NOT a 'Release' (industry terminology). We are attempting to resolve the reporting of Radio date in infobox HERE. Please note the portion most applicable to WP:ALBUM is "need to add a 'Radio date' field for the singles chrono listings on album pages as well. I would just use the Radio date when FIRST as this is what created it as a single and determines its placement within the chrono." Also feel free to review the considerable material prior to the subsection given in the link. Please contribute to the discussion at the link above so it can all be in one place and thank you.— Iknow23 ( talk) 08:56, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
You are invited to join the Grammy Awards task force, a subproject of WikiProject Awards and prizes dedicated to improving articles and lists related to the Grammy Awards. If you are interested in joining, please visit the project page and add your name to the list of participants. |
I extend this invitation to any project members interested in working on Grammy articles/lists. Thanks! -- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:50, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm inviting everyone who is willing to help improve Fall Out Boy album articles, especially those who know a lot about the band. The album Take This to Your Grave requires a lot of work, as does Folie à Deux. I would rate them as between C and B grade articles. The charting history is all over the place, it would be nice if they were compiled in one place. In addition, would it be possible for the main Fall Out Boy, and Fall Out Boy discography page to be nominated to be relisted as a "good" article? Thanks! (I'm working on the pages myself too, but there's too much for me to do solo) Noreplyhaha ( talk) 07:18, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
How can I add the Catalog number in the Template:Infobox single?
There are 2 singles named "Mohicans" from the Trancecore Project:
I can separate them by the catalog number, but there is no such files in the template. Where can I specifiy it? Teyandee ( talk) 17:49, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
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Jezhotwells (
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22:47, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
It has recently been brought to my attention that Category:Albums by artist bears the following instruction:
This appears to have originated in 2006. Why are we encouraging the creation of categories that will only contain 1 or 2 articles? That seems to be contrary to the purpose of categories. Wikipedia:Categorization#What categories should be created says that "Categories should be useful for readers to find and navigate sets of related articles." A category that will only ever contain 1 or 2 articles has no utility as a navigational tool. For example, Drive Like Jehu broke up 16 years ago & only ever released 2 albums. The entire Category:Drive Like Jehu only contains 7 articles (1 of which is about to be deleted) and will likely never contain more than that. Yet an editor is insisting that we also need Category:Drive Like Jehu albums, a category that would only (likely ever) contain 2 articles, based on the notation mentioned above. This seems pretty illogical, like we're making categories just to have them, without them actually serving a purpose. What purpose does Category:+44 albums serve, for example? It's my opinion that, in cases of artists who have only a few releases, these should simply be put in an eponymously-titled artist category. Thoughts? -- IllaZilla ( talk) 23:18, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Saying "It has absolutely no useful purpose" over and over again will not make is so. I gave some examples of purposes it serves above. I explained exactly how it helps me, as a reader, navigate sets of related articles. One should look at the complete picture. -- Muhandes ( talk) 13:51, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
While I am not as familiar as you seem to be with the guidelines of each and every wikiproject, Books by author seems to be following the same rule we follow, i.e. a category is created even for one book. -- Muhandes ( talk) 13:51, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
I just wanted to suggest that since these "Small with no potential for growth" categories are used in various organizational schemes, it might be a good idea to do an WP:RFC at Wikipedia talk:Overcategorization and notify those projects that also use small categories of this sort? (songs and books, at least.) If there's a problem, it's not just ours. :) -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:04, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
I wasn't getting any responses to my discussion at Template_talk:WikiProject_Albums#Checking_article_against_B-class_status, so I thought I'd generate some interest over here—which I should've one in the first place! I'm hoping to add the B-class checklist to the WP Albums template. It would help editors on what to focus working on in order to attain B-class. I've added the code at the discussion, so everything's set. I think it'd help, though, to get some input from users. Thanks! – Kerαunoςcopia◁ gala xies 21:42, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Record charts/RFC has been relatively unattended, and I would like to hear more voices.— Kww( talk) 18:55, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
RIAA has completely changed the way the certification database is queried, rendering most of the links to the database mostly useless. I have tried to figure out how the new database is queried but I'm not a professional in the area and can't seem to figure it out. Is there anyone who would like to assist? Can anyone suggest another place where help can be found? -- Muhandes ( talk) 11:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
The usage of Carpenters is under discussion, see Talk:The Carpenters. 64.229.100.153 ( talk) 04:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
GA review on hold for 7 days to allow time to improve prose and referencing. SilkTork * YES! 12:42, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Is it correct to add the category book soundtracks to albums that are not of this type? These albums are not even directly-related to its sources of creation or inspiration (i.e. Mastodon's Leviathan is not a [companion release] soundtrack to Herman Melville's book Moby-Dick). I have seen users adding the aforementioned category on I, Lucifer (Real Tuesday Weld album), Leviathan (album) and Greenslade.-- Malconfort ( talk) 23:01, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
This category is for musical recordings that accompany or are companion releases to books. The articles must have verifiable sources confirming that the recording is a soundtrack to a book. Audio books and recordings inspired by literature should not be placed in this category. |
I added the notice since there were no voices against it. I'll go through and uncategorize articles and maybe try to figure out a tree for the mythos categories—I listen to albums that are based on country-specific mythologies as well that aren't currently categorized as such, so it could be a mini-project. – Kerαunoςcopia◁ gala xies 00:49, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I've done some work recently on Nadia Ali's album Embers. Could someone please check that and suggest any improvements and if it qualified for B-Class article. Hassan514 ( talk) 12:56, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
I can't find information on acceptable album cover size for fair use (along with other images, like posters, etc). I used to reference WP:Albums#Cover, but that no longer exists (the page redirects here). Does anyone know where the information was moved to? Over the last year, I have read anywhere between 300–400 pixels on the largest side is deemed acceptable. But I would like to be able to back up any image reductions I make with a solid guideline. Thanks! – Kerαunoςcopia◁ gala xies 23:22, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Please comment at Talk:Grammy_Award#Award_Templates.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 05:02, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
I stumbled upon MCMXC a.D.. It has a limited edition and bonus disc which are using the {{ Track listing}}, but using a simple list for the main album. Personally, I don't like the inconsistency between the subsections, but what are the guidelines for such? I realize that because of the movements in songs 2 and 7 the template becomes difficult to use, but I think it would look better to have all 3 sections with the same format, which is either all "simple" lists or all using the template. Further, I think that some guidelines should be added to the Track Listing documentation. Rlholden ( talk) 13:00, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Please comment at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music#Billboard_Decade-End_as_a_parallel_to_Billboard_Year-End so that all discussion is in one place.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 14:52, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
What was that? Why it erased the whole project page? Did no one else saw it? Zidane tribal ( talk) 04:20, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Melodic.net is among the major English-language arts publications. It is frequently cited by other reliable sources and considered by reliable sources to be authoritative in their subject area (it meet WP:NME). The site has been referred to by many reliable sources, which include, but are not limited to:
Recommend it goes into the professional sites section, as a reliable source with a wide selection of reviews on different genres.-- Strawberry Slugs ( talk) 13:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Can someone please list "Do I have to cry for you?" as a single? The song was a single and the video can be seen on youtube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.48.116.155 ( talk) 07:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
RE:
Review sites
This list states that for SputnikMusic we should "Use staff and emeritus reviews only" - indicating that these are indeed considered by Wikipedia, or this project at minimum, as professional reviews.
The page for
SputnikMusic however, has this to say about the Reviewer stratification:
Emeritus is a status given to former staff writers who no longer contribute to the site. Reviews by these users are not acknowledged as professional.
--> Which is correct?
It would be good to have a clear definition to avoid pointless debates like this:
Walk This Way
nikthestoned (
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16:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
If a song is known to have been written by someone other than the officially credited writer(s), should we credit the true composer in the track listing rather than the official composer? I've seen this done in many articles, but I want to confirm if this is actually Wikipedia's policy. In particular, if a song borrows from a Public Domain work, do we credit the writer of the Public Domain work even though he would never be credited on the album or the publisher's records? (E.g.Is it right that Electric Light Orchestra's version of "Roll Over Beethoven" should be credited as "(Berry, Beethoven)" since it uses excerpts from Beethoven's Fifth Symphony?-- Martin IIIa ( talk) 12:53, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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As {{
Certification Table Entry}} already standardizes the certification citation procedure I went a bit
bold and experimented with letting it categorize by the certification. To activate this, one needs to manually set the autocat
variable. While the feature is fully working, I applied it only to two articles,
Britney (album) and
Amarantine (album), and created only the categories needed for this. I tried to follow the established standards for the category names. I might do some more tonight. Opinions? Keep in mind that these categories already existed, they were just used mostly for Japan and to some extent for singles. Edit: also did
PCD (album),
And Winter Came... and
...Baby One More Time. See what you think. --
Muhandes (
talk)
21:52, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
I am aware that if an album or song is not in English, then the rules of capitalization of that language applies. But if there's a bit of both? Albums like Desde un Principio: From the Beginning is in both languages. While on the Grammy Award for Best Mexican/Mexican-American Album, there are album and song names that uses both Spanish and English languages. How do we address the rules of capitalization then? Thanks! Magiciandude ( talk) 23:30, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Copied from Wikipedia talk:Requested moves#Unilateral moves to meet a foreign language music guideline because if there is consensus then the wording of this project may need changing:
Possibly not the ideal location for this discussion, but here goes... User talk:Magiciandude is moving a whole bunch of Spanish-language singles and albums without discussion in order to decapitalise certain words, in accordance with a Wikiproject guideline (namely WP:ALBUMCAPS). I'd like some input from the "moving" community on (a) whether this unilateral behaviour is appropriate, (b) whether this guideline supersedes WP:COMMONNAME and (c) whether ALBUMCAPS is actually correct in relation to the way in which we verify our facts. The user also seems content to move the page, leaving references to the old title throughout the articles he moves and in templates that reference the old name. The Rambling Man ( talk) 16:25, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
First I want to make an apology over this commotion. Yes, I did start by following a guideline, not knowing there was a contradictory policy over it. It started when El Mexicano informed about the incorrect grammatical error on Spanish-language album and song names. Then I saw the guideline about capitalization and thought that's how it's supposed to be done. To be honest, I am indifferent as to whether or not the all foreign names should follow the English standards or not. Again, I apologize for this. Magiciandude ( talk) 19:00, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
According to Spanish spelling rules, only the first word of ANY title is written with initial upper case, except for proper names in titles. I have told this several times here, but I was always ignored. I think Royal Spanish Academy knows better than anybody how to write titles in Spanish. English sources are unreliable in this matter. If something is written in a foreing language, you must keep the rules of THAT language and not the English ones. Several Spanish language titles are incorrectly spelled here. So Magiciandude did it the right way when he moved the titles. -- El Mexicano ( talk) 19:16, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
-- PBS ( talk) 00:12, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, use reliable secondary sources, not titles synthesised from a particular academic perspective. We use "verifiability not truth" in English Wikipedia. The Rambling Man ( talk) 13:40, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi everyone, well, first of all, I agree that we need verifiable sources for every information in Wikipedia, BUT: there are some facts, like spelling rules for languages, that can be easily verifiable, even though they are not written in English. In Spanish, as a foreign language, the rule for titles is to write only the first word with initial upper case, except, of course, for proper names in the title. This rule, I think, can't be misunderstood. So I think, in this case, since it is an encyclopedia, me must keep the spelling rules rather then follow incorrect customs. Anyhow a Spanish title is written even though in the album itself, it can be the incorrect as well, as they are the most of times.
Panhispanic Dictionary of Doubts, "Mayúsculas" (Use of Upper Case), Royal Spanish Academy, 2005
Regards, -- El Mexicano ( talk) 21:37, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
Well we're getting somewhere at last!! Yes, you need multiple verifiable sources to support the name of anything, so your examples which quote only a single example really aren't very useful. This is very straight-forward indeed. You need to follow WP:NAME. The current recommendation of ALBUMCAPS is simply incorrect and contravenes the Wikipedia-wide policy of verifiability. This ALBUMCAPS approach basically says "make the name up according to some linguistic rules on a website somewhere" whereas we need verifiable, netural point-of-view names with no original research (e.g. using a set of rules on a particular website to create album/single names).
The approach that El Mexicano has taken, to blanket move many articles based on his interpretation of how albums/singles are titled according to his version of the naming policy is incorrect. The moves should be reverted. ALBUMCAPS is incorrect and needs to be deleted.
Of course, the answer to your last question isn't simple. We need multiple reliable sources. We should look for more instances of the title published elsewhere and then move the page to the name which has a consensus that it meets WP:NAME. Hope that helps! The Rambling Man ( talk) 08:37, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
If the album title uses the Latin alphabet, the article name should be at that title. Translations of titles in languages other than English should not be used as titles unless such a translation is commonly used as a title for the album in the English-speaking world. For example, Født til å Herske, not Born to Rule...
...but Common Jasmin Orange, not Qi li xiang, 七里香, or Seven Mile Fragrance (because the English name "Common Jasmin Orange" appears on the album cover along with the Chinese name)
Some considerations:
As I see, IbLeo is the only one who understands my point of view. Just an example. If a Spanish title is simply misspelled in an English source or US album edition, like it happened with Lunada: they put "Desolvidantode" instead of "Desolvidándote", you will use the incorrect and misspelled title just because it is in an English source??? Another example. If song titles appear on the album itself ALL CAPITALIZED, then you will entitle here the articles this way??? Sorry, but you can't think it seriously. In an encyclopedia you should spell everything according to the spelling rules of each language, regardless of what appears in any English sources. -- El Mexicano ( talk) 19:13, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
I am disappointed, and I find it rather disrespectful, that Pmanderson removed the debated guideline from the project page before this discussion has come to an end. Anything on this project's pages has been thoroughly discussed until a consensus between the interested project members was reached. I have already added a link to the relevant discussion in the project archives: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums/Archive 26#Foreign language capitalization. I am going to be off-line for the next four days, so I will take a step back from this discussion. At the same time I have put all my arguments forward and don't really have anything else to add. In the mean time I hope that some of the other project members will step forward and state their opinion on this matter. – Ib Leo (talk) 22:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Just my two cents - I agree with the current capitalization policy. I currently come across this problem with Japanese album titles. Japanese artists use Roman characters in poetic and expressive ways. There are no capitalization rules for Roman characters in Japanese, so we apply the English standard here. I believe since this is the English Wikipedia, English capitalization and punctuation should always be used. I also think your average reader will assume any lack of capitalization of an album title to be mistake, especially if they aren't familiar with the source language.
Denaar (
talk) 04:30, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Ok re-reading - The capitalization listed on this article is the opposite of every other guideline on Wikipedia. Per the
WP:MOS: "Observe the style adopted by high-quality sources. Unless there is a clear reason to do otherwise, follow the usage of reliable English-language secondary sources on the subject. If the sources can be shown to be unrepresentative of current English usage, follow current English usage instead—and consult more sources." It doesn't make sense to use the capitalization of the language, because that contradicts what the Manual of Style says - which is to use reliable English Language secondary sources. When those sources can't be found, or are found to be unrepresentative of current English usuage, use current English Usage - ie, use standard English capitalization. I suggest we change the language to match the
WP:MOS.
Denaar (
talk)
14:20, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't have any involvement with WikiProject Albums, but since this topic of capitalization crops up elsewhere, perhaps a passer-by can add a few contrarian points here:
A working, good-enough media player would be a lovely feature for this project. Just wondering if Commons.js already have a media plugin - something like jquery.media.js. Sal9000 ( talk) 23:30, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
I found that
The Fall (Gorillaz album) is currently included in
Category:Album articles with non-standard infoboxes because |Type=
has value "iPad Album" in its infobox. This obviously doesn't make much sense, but I actually can't see what value should be used. It's not a studio album as it's recorded at home, not a demo album either as there are no intentions of going into a studio to re-record the songs. So what kind of animal is this? – Ib
Leo
(talk)
07:09, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Just for information—the type of this album hasn´t been resolved yet. For the moment, the Type parameter is not filled and the album still pops up in Category:Album articles with non-standard infoboxes. The relevant discussion is here, in case anyone wants to give it a go. I am personally not going to spend any more energy on this. – Ib Leo (talk) 18:40, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Why has this template started looking smaller? Anybody else noticed this? Dan56 ( talk) 22:01, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Which one is a better title for a soundtrack album? For eg, "127 Hours: Music from the Motion Picture" or "127 Hours (soundtrack)"? Is there a guideline regarding this? I have seen articles using both titles. -- Arfaz ( talk) 15:05, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I would like to hear some opinions about using an album review from Jambands.com. The review that I'm debating using is this one that was written by there senior editor. Thanks J04n( talk page) 12:02, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
I would like a review of HipHopDX.com as a credible album reveiwer in album articles. This has been discussed before with nothing achieved. It is a very reliable source for music info and the album reviews seem to be credible. So should this be added to WP:ALBUM/REVSIT? STATic message me! 17:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
It appears that Spin Magazine now has a 10-point rating system instead of a 5-star rating system. I'm not sure how this effects previous albums that were released, but I think their new method should now be reflected on the WP:ALBUM/REVSIT page. ~ [ Scott M. Howard ] ~ [ Talk ]:[ Contribs ] ~ 04:33, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
See Table showing productivity/size of the 48 music projects for information about this project and other music groups. -- Klein zach 07:50, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this (if it's not please link me to the right place and i'll discuss it there), but could we create a category for albums that have been covermount (means released free in a newspaper or magazine). Examples include A Night in NYC, Songbook, The Dreams We Have as Children amongst so many others with articles. -- 92.237.84.183 ( talk) 15:39, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
A discussion over whether reviews by www.deadpress.co.uk are notable/reliable has been started at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard here. Comments are welcome. A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 22:38, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Dear all,
In April of this year I had proposed Metal Storm as a professional review site. This case has remained unresolved and was archived in June after nobody had contributed to the discussion anymore. Half a year later I'd like to bring this topic up again, mainly because I'm not too fond of it being unresolved, but also because there have been some important changes on the site, such as the institution of paid positions instead of the volunteers-only nature of the site.
In the following I'll just copy my old appeal and also add some remarks. If someone wants to read the full discussion, you can do so in the the archive link provided above.
I'd like to propose Metal Storm [6] as a professional review site. It's listed among the non-professional sites, but I cannot find any discussion in the archives which has led to this classification. Metal Storm has existed for ten years now and is run by a fixed staff of volunteers.
It also features a lot of guest reviews, but those all contain a disclaimer. According to Alexa Metal Storm used to be the most visited webzine in the heavy metal category while it still was on the URL MetalStorm.ee, second only to the database Encyclopaedia Metallum. Recently the URL was changed to MetalStorm.net to emphasize its global character - through the change it has also dropped in Alexa rank as the former URLs (.ee and .eu) still redirect to MetalStorm.net.
Nonetheless it is a highly notable webzine which has made its appearance in print magazines and many other online media: the German print magazine Legacy has featured an article by Metal Storm in its October 2009 issue [7] [8] (the last sentence mentions Metal Storm and the involved staffers), the (now defunct) Estonian print fanzine Pläkk used to feature a page in English with Metal Storm’s reviews and the Belgian/Flemish newspaper "Gazet Van Antwerpen" has printed news about the victory of the Belgian band Oceans of Sadness in the Metal Storm Awards (here the news item on the newspaper’s online portal). The online news portal Blabbermouth regularly references Metal Storm’s news and interviews [9] and the annual Metal Storm Awards have received several mentions on Brave Words. Metal Storm is also in official partnership with Hellfest, one of Europe's biggest heavy metal festivals [10]. A quote from a Metal Storm review has also been printed on a sticker on the Peaceville re-release of Carpathian Forest's "Through Chasm, Caves and Titan Woods" in 2007. Unfortunately I don’t have the image link anymore.
The rating system of the site generally is the 10 star system, some reviewers however refuse to add ratings to their reviews, so for those cases tags in the "(favorable)" format should probably be used.
As a staff member of the site in question I am probably accused of COI. I am however familiar with the policies and standards of Wikipedia. Therefore I’d also like to add a restriction: the standards of Metal Storm have changed over the years, there are a lot of sub-par reviews on the site, especially from the first half of the decade before our standards shifted. I guess a remark "Only add official reviews (i.e. without guest review disclaimer) from 2007 onwards" would be fine as that would also be the time when Peaceville quoted Metal Storm on their album sticker, thus being the first date I can think of when MS has fulfilled Wikipedia’s notability standards.
I hereby rest my case. What do you think? Any chance Metal Storm could be included?
Promonex (
talk)
04:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Third opinions on this proposal would be highly appreciated. – Ib Leo (talk) 17:28, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
So this proposition is already 2 1/2 months old again. As I see it there is one vote clearly in favor (IbLeo), one vote in favor (LordNecronus) and one more vote leaning towards favorable (J04n). No objections so far. How about accepting the proposition until someone decides to challenge it for whatever reason? Promonex ( talk) 17:21, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
This discussion has been going on long enough and I believe there is consensus to add Metal Storm as an acceptable professional review site, with the reservations proposed above (no guest reviews, no staff reviews older than 2009). I have just done the necessary update. Promonex, given your obvious COI your behavior in this discussion has been exemplary. Thank you. – Ib Leo (talk) 06:50, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
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See contributions for 130.89.172.35 and 77.248.88.252. Theses two anons have been adding Nocover.svg to several hundred articles. I could use some assistance going through all the articles and uploading appropriate cover images, as i already have a backlog of nearly 600 albums in need of covers, with over 600 already taken care of. Jasper420 01:16, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
|cover=
parameter isn't filled in? Seems like that'd be simpler than teaching editors to manually put a separate template on the talk page, then manually remove it when the cover's added. It could be automatic. --
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I haven't seen anything on the citation guidelines about how to go about citing the liner notes of an album. Is this something to be avoided or am I just overlooking something I should be doing? GRAPPLE X 21:57, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't know how to do it, but Excerpts From The Holy Book Of Rhyme needs to be deleted. Jasper420 00:38, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Should the European Top 100 Albums chart be included in the charts section for WP:Albums? Notabable chart? Dan56 ( talk) 20:20, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
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I was confused by the article's statement that the album was released in August 2009 and recorded in September 2009. Seems a bit impossible, right? I got the album from the library and the liner notes say, "In 2007, we were honored to be special guests of the LA Philharmonic Orchestra to perform the 40th anniversary of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band."
The guest artists the article lists for a 2009 performance are listed in the album liner notes for the 2007 performance.
I haven't seen the video version, but based on listening to the album I'd say guest vocalist Ian Ball is a featured performer, singing almost as much as Robin Zander.
Parts of the last paragraph read like a press release from Cheap Trick's promoters. I love Cheap Trick and have tickets for a show next month, but it seems like Wikipedia is striving to be more cool and collected. Specifically: "is an energetic performance that features an orchestra and a captivating experience of..." "an unforgettable musical experience." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.156.29.37 ( talk) 18:38, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
I've proposed splitting this guideline, and have opened an RFC: Wikipedia talk:Record charts/RFC.— Kww( talk) 20:32, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
A new editor, Prjulius ( talk · contribs), has spent today adding reviews from a site called inyourspeakers.com to album articles. I've looked at the site and I'm not sure whether it meets our criteria (from WP:ALBUM/REVSIT). It seems to have a paid or volunteer staff, but it doesn't say when it was formed or by whom so it's hard to say whether it's new or has had time to develop a reputation in the field. I get wary of linkspam when a user's contributions consist solely of adding links to a single website, so I thought I'd put it up for discussion. What does everyone think? Legitimate source that we should add to our list, or should it be reverted? I've asked the editor in question to comment here. -- IllaZilla ( talk) 20:19, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
It's been 2 weeks. If no one pipes up with an opinion today I'm going to go ahead and roll back the user's edits on the basis of the site being unreliable. -- IllaZilla ( talk) 14:54, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Heads up if it hasn't already been mentioned here before: apparently Allmusic has upped the rating scores for a number of albums released in the past decade, as explained here, meaning some pages should be updated. WesleyDodds ( talk) 09:55, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
The crux of the issue is that we are reporting a NON-release date in a PREFORMATTED field titled "Released:". Radio date is NOT a 'Release' (industry terminology). We are attempting to resolve the reporting of Radio date in infobox HERE. Please note the portion most applicable to WP:ALBUM is "need to add a 'Radio date' field for the singles chrono listings on album pages as well. I would just use the Radio date when FIRST as this is what created it as a single and determines its placement within the chrono." Also feel free to review the considerable material prior to the subsection given in the link. Please contribute to the discussion at the link above so it can all be in one place and thank you.— Iknow23 ( talk) 08:56, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
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I extend this invitation to any project members interested in working on Grammy articles/lists. Thanks! -- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:50, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm inviting everyone who is willing to help improve Fall Out Boy album articles, especially those who know a lot about the band. The album Take This to Your Grave requires a lot of work, as does Folie à Deux. I would rate them as between C and B grade articles. The charting history is all over the place, it would be nice if they were compiled in one place. In addition, would it be possible for the main Fall Out Boy, and Fall Out Boy discography page to be nominated to be relisted as a "good" article? Thanks! (I'm working on the pages myself too, but there's too much for me to do solo) Noreplyhaha ( talk) 07:18, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
How can I add the Catalog number in the Template:Infobox single?
There are 2 singles named "Mohicans" from the Trancecore Project:
I can separate them by the catalog number, but there is no such files in the template. Where can I specifiy it? Teyandee ( talk) 17:49, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
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Jezhotwells (
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It has recently been brought to my attention that Category:Albums by artist bears the following instruction:
This appears to have originated in 2006. Why are we encouraging the creation of categories that will only contain 1 or 2 articles? That seems to be contrary to the purpose of categories. Wikipedia:Categorization#What categories should be created says that "Categories should be useful for readers to find and navigate sets of related articles." A category that will only ever contain 1 or 2 articles has no utility as a navigational tool. For example, Drive Like Jehu broke up 16 years ago & only ever released 2 albums. The entire Category:Drive Like Jehu only contains 7 articles (1 of which is about to be deleted) and will likely never contain more than that. Yet an editor is insisting that we also need Category:Drive Like Jehu albums, a category that would only (likely ever) contain 2 articles, based on the notation mentioned above. This seems pretty illogical, like we're making categories just to have them, without them actually serving a purpose. What purpose does Category:+44 albums serve, for example? It's my opinion that, in cases of artists who have only a few releases, these should simply be put in an eponymously-titled artist category. Thoughts? -- IllaZilla ( talk) 23:18, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
Saying "It has absolutely no useful purpose" over and over again will not make is so. I gave some examples of purposes it serves above. I explained exactly how it helps me, as a reader, navigate sets of related articles. One should look at the complete picture. -- Muhandes ( talk) 13:51, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
While I am not as familiar as you seem to be with the guidelines of each and every wikiproject, Books by author seems to be following the same rule we follow, i.e. a category is created even for one book. -- Muhandes ( talk) 13:51, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
I just wanted to suggest that since these "Small with no potential for growth" categories are used in various organizational schemes, it might be a good idea to do an WP:RFC at Wikipedia talk:Overcategorization and notify those projects that also use small categories of this sort? (songs and books, at least.) If there's a problem, it's not just ours. :) -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:04, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
I wasn't getting any responses to my discussion at Template_talk:WikiProject_Albums#Checking_article_against_B-class_status, so I thought I'd generate some interest over here—which I should've one in the first place! I'm hoping to add the B-class checklist to the WP Albums template. It would help editors on what to focus working on in order to attain B-class. I've added the code at the discussion, so everything's set. I think it'd help, though, to get some input from users. Thanks! – Kerαunoςcopia◁ gala xies 21:42, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Record charts/RFC has been relatively unattended, and I would like to hear more voices.— Kww( talk) 18:55, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
RIAA has completely changed the way the certification database is queried, rendering most of the links to the database mostly useless. I have tried to figure out how the new database is queried but I'm not a professional in the area and can't seem to figure it out. Is there anyone who would like to assist? Can anyone suggest another place where help can be found? -- Muhandes ( talk) 11:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
The usage of Carpenters is under discussion, see Talk:The Carpenters. 64.229.100.153 ( talk) 04:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
GA review on hold for 7 days to allow time to improve prose and referencing. SilkTork * YES! 12:42, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Is it correct to add the category book soundtracks to albums that are not of this type? These albums are not even directly-related to its sources of creation or inspiration (i.e. Mastodon's Leviathan is not a [companion release] soundtrack to Herman Melville's book Moby-Dick). I have seen users adding the aforementioned category on I, Lucifer (Real Tuesday Weld album), Leviathan (album) and Greenslade.-- Malconfort ( talk) 23:01, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
This category is for musical recordings that accompany or are companion releases to books. The articles must have verifiable sources confirming that the recording is a soundtrack to a book. Audio books and recordings inspired by literature should not be placed in this category. |
I added the notice since there were no voices against it. I'll go through and uncategorize articles and maybe try to figure out a tree for the mythos categories—I listen to albums that are based on country-specific mythologies as well that aren't currently categorized as such, so it could be a mini-project. – Kerαunoςcopia◁ gala xies 00:49, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Hi, I've done some work recently on Nadia Ali's album Embers. Could someone please check that and suggest any improvements and if it qualified for B-Class article. Hassan514 ( talk) 12:56, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
I can't find information on acceptable album cover size for fair use (along with other images, like posters, etc). I used to reference WP:Albums#Cover, but that no longer exists (the page redirects here). Does anyone know where the information was moved to? Over the last year, I have read anywhere between 300–400 pixels on the largest side is deemed acceptable. But I would like to be able to back up any image reductions I make with a solid guideline. Thanks! – Kerαunoςcopia◁ gala xies 23:22, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Please comment at Talk:Grammy_Award#Award_Templates.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 05:02, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
I stumbled upon MCMXC a.D.. It has a limited edition and bonus disc which are using the {{ Track listing}}, but using a simple list for the main album. Personally, I don't like the inconsistency between the subsections, but what are the guidelines for such? I realize that because of the movements in songs 2 and 7 the template becomes difficult to use, but I think it would look better to have all 3 sections with the same format, which is either all "simple" lists or all using the template. Further, I think that some guidelines should be added to the Track Listing documentation. Rlholden ( talk) 13:00, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Please comment at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music#Billboard_Decade-End_as_a_parallel_to_Billboard_Year-End so that all discussion is in one place.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 14:52, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
What was that? Why it erased the whole project page? Did no one else saw it? Zidane tribal ( talk) 04:20, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Melodic.net is among the major English-language arts publications. It is frequently cited by other reliable sources and considered by reliable sources to be authoritative in their subject area (it meet WP:NME). The site has been referred to by many reliable sources, which include, but are not limited to:
Recommend it goes into the professional sites section, as a reliable source with a wide selection of reviews on different genres.-- Strawberry Slugs ( talk) 13:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Can someone please list "Do I have to cry for you?" as a single? The song was a single and the video can be seen on youtube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.48.116.155 ( talk) 07:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
RE:
Review sites
This list states that for SputnikMusic we should "Use staff and emeritus reviews only" - indicating that these are indeed considered by Wikipedia, or this project at minimum, as professional reviews.
The page for
SputnikMusic however, has this to say about the Reviewer stratification:
Emeritus is a status given to former staff writers who no longer contribute to the site. Reviews by these users are not acknowledged as professional.
--> Which is correct?
It would be good to have a clear definition to avoid pointless debates like this:
Walk This Way
nikthestoned (
talk)
16:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
If a song is known to have been written by someone other than the officially credited writer(s), should we credit the true composer in the track listing rather than the official composer? I've seen this done in many articles, but I want to confirm if this is actually Wikipedia's policy. In particular, if a song borrows from a Public Domain work, do we credit the writer of the Public Domain work even though he would never be credited on the album or the publisher's records? (E.g.Is it right that Electric Light Orchestra's version of "Roll Over Beethoven" should be credited as "(Berry, Beethoven)" since it uses excerpts from Beethoven's Fifth Symphony?-- Martin IIIa ( talk) 12:53, 17 May 2011 (UTC)