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Some guy is going around changing the carriers name to airblue because its branded that way, he is mostly doing this in Pakistani airport articles, and reverting his edits just dosent work as in summary he gives this illogical reason for the change, I have explained to him before that the article title is Airblue, and given examples that Turkish Airlines in not TURKISH AIRLINES in an airport article, same for Cathay Pacific, British Airways and so on, can anyone stop this annoying practice or will it be better to change article title to airblue, like flydubai. 139.190.138.27 ( talk) 10:48, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
I really like the way there is a list of destinations for each airport and have managed to create something so they can be viewed on a map. www.emuair.com will show you a map, you will need to start by clicking on Bangkok, then continue by clicking on other airports/routes. It is slow and buggy but it mostly works for displaying the data from wikipedia. If anyone would like it changed or extended to help with wikipedia please let me know here. It is not commercial software, it is just a hobby site so please be patient. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrbluemonkey ( talk • contribs) 14:20, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
This is longer than I was expecting but yes I found some pretty crap data.
Comparing a few places. These have been chosen sort of at random, if I looked at an airport I have put it here. I have not tried to skew the results with careful selection.
From Myitkyina in Northern Myanmar; Wikipedia has Mandalay and Putao as destinations. Google has Bhamo, Mandalay and Putao Airline Route Mapper has Tachilek, Mandalay and Putao (Putao is in the wrong spot on the map) I can't see way to check which is right, I will give it to Google.
From Perth; Wikipedia has a flight listed from Per to Coco islands, looks like it goes through Christmas island. Google and Airline route mapper don't have it. Annoying and misleading from Wikipedia.
Wikipedia has Manila, Christchurch. Google and Flight mapper miss them both. The manila flight is via Darwin.
Flight mapper and Google have Gold Coast, not on Wikipedia. Wikipedia has Per to Laverton, missed by Google and airline route mapper. There are also a lot of small places that are only listed on wikipedia but don't come up elsewhere even tho they seem to fully exists on the airlines pages. wiki also has a lot of mining town destinations from PER.
From LBJ in Indonesia, ARM shows DPS and ENE. Google shows DPS, ENE and Maumare. wiki shows DPS, ENE, Kupang, Maumare and many others.
from BTJ indonesia; Google and ARM show PEN, KUL, MES and CGK. Wiki shows the above plus jeddah and 7 other local destinations.
From SCL wiki shows a flight to LAX, MPN on lima, FRA, MCO on Lan : flights don't exist. wikipedia loses here.
From JFK wiki shows ROB(Monrovia), SIN, SYD. - These don't exist Again wikipedia not so good.
From KTM wiki has a few extra destinations such as Lukla and jomsom that are handled by smaller airlines From PKR (Pokhara) Google and ARM have Kathmandu while Wiki has a few extra destinations, some of which are questionable.
OK I concede. Wikipedia airports and destinations data is ok for an overall picture but quite useful for smaller destinations in developing countries. It shouldn't be relied on as there is a fair amount of crap data. The data on Wikipedia can only get better (I hope). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrbluemonkey ( talk • contribs) 23:06, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
I know that this matter was discussed before, but during my update of the article for Kuwait International Airport, I added airport names to some multi-airport cities. However, HkCaGu undid some of my edits by claiming that Abu Dhabi, Frankfurt and Kuala Lumpur are not multi-airport cities. I responded to such action by presenting evidence supporting my stand (see my talk with HkCaGu on User_talk:HkCaGu#Multi-airport_Cities). However, I agree that the case of an airport such as Hahn Airport is controversial, but who says that distance is the determinant factor in linking airports to cities? If distance matters, then Sharjah Airport is more a Dubai airport than Gatwick, Heathrow, Luton and Stansted being London airports.
On a professional level, most of common practices related to the airline business is determined through IATA, which is an association of the world's leading airlines. Among such practices are ones related to tariffs which are reflected in airline-specific and global airline distribution systems. In tariff rules, IATA determined that some cities are multi-airport cities and that standard fares to different airports of such cities should not be different. Such practice by IATA (and as such by most airlines in the world) is reflected in all air transport systems such as scheduling and reservation systems. So do we need any consensus from Wikipedia contributors in this matter after releazing that there's an industry-wide consensus in the form of IATA practices? In this regard, Hahn is a Frankfurt airport, not because some low-cost airlines decided to promote it as such, but rather because IATA determined it as such. I understand that in the case of some multi-airport cities, there's no need to mention the airport name because only one airport has scheduled operation, but this is not the case with Abu Dhabi, Frankfurt and Kuala Lumpur.
On a personal level, as an air transport researcher, I think the IATA city thing is not good enough for practical purposes. For example, if I'm travelling to Dubai, then I should check flights to Sharjah and Ras al-Khaimah in addition to Dubai's two airports (DXB and DWC). The airports one should consider are ones that are within 100km of one's destination. For example, if I'm going to Jebel Ali (about 37km southwest of Dubai), then Ras al-Khaimah would be too far for me, but Al Ain and Abu Dhabi's two airports (International and Bateen) would be reasonable options in addition to Sharjah and Dubai's two airports. If I'm going to some place like Koblenz in Germany, then I should consider Cologne/Bonn in addition to Frankfurt's two airports (Main and Hahn). This turns to be a totally geographical problem, and not just a naming matter. Having said that, it remains a fact that IATA is the entity that determines multi-airport cities. Imdashti ( talk) 21:53, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Flightmapper has been used at Jomo Kenyatta International Airport as a reference for almost all the entries in the destinations list ( AfricaTanz ( talk · contribs) insists on adding them even though WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT does not require sources for current destinations). I'd like to start a discussion on whether Flightmapper should be considered reliable. Thoughts?-- Jetstreamer Talk 13:15, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
What's disturbing about this discussion and others like it is the assumption that this project has the power to dictate what is included in airport articles. That assumption needs to be buried once and for all. Also disturbing is the assumption that a project can decide that Wikipedia's sourcing policy can be ignored and that frequent contributors to this project can then go around trying to enforce the ignoring of policy. This project has a lot of soul searching to do. AfricaTanz ( talk) 02:48, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Speaking of the
Jomo Kenyatta International Airport page, why is the table listing nonstop flights only and flights that have traffic rights (especially Kenya Airways where the airline operates direct flights (to Hong Kong and Guangzhou which were removed) with the same flight number and plane via other cities) cause flightmapper lists all destinations served from the airport (and the destinations are noted as "direct" but NBO is page is listing nonstop flights only? The project guideline states that direct flights are listed in addition to nonstop flights as long as the flight number and plane stays the same. Thanks!
68.119.73.36 (
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22:13, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
::Well, editors have always added direct flights to airport articles for years whether they are part of it or not. Any disagreement should directed to the talk page and gain consensus.
68.119.73.36 (
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22:33, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Ya'll can discuss, destroy, or damage Wikipedia all you want but I am never touching any airport articles ever again......Goodbye and Sayonara!!!! 68.119.73.36 ( talk) 05:19, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Please see what I had to do with O'Hare International Airport (see edit history and each version's view). Visual Editor is wreaking havoc, making destination lists unmaintainable! I don't know the beta progress and the coding problem, but can someone knowledgeable find a way to shut this mess off? HkCaGu ( talk) 10:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
New template Template:Defunct airports in the United Kingdom not sure if it serves much of a navigation purpose, it may be small at the moment but after a few hundred former RAF airfields it would be pretty useless, thoughts. MilborneOne ( talk) 17:15, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
I was wondering if we should list all of the Avianca destinations (including TACA, Lasca, etc.) as just simply Avianca since all of those airlines have merged into just simply Avianca? I have seen most of the former TACA, Lasca destinations listed as "Avianca El Salvador, Avianca Peru, etc." but they are still using the former carrier's codes, aircraft, and crew. Snoozlepet ( talk) 20:51, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi there
I note that the 'List of Busiest Airports' Wikipedia page does not include Avalon Airport data and it should. This data is available from the Bureau of Infrastructure, and Regional Economics, and I can also assist you in providing this data.
If you would like to update this page with newer data I am able to help.
Let me know
Amelie100 ( talk) 04:53, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
A discussion was started at Talk:Dubai_World_Central_-_Al_Maktoum_International_Airport#Differentiating_Between_DBX_and_DWC on how should we handle on listing Dubai on airport articles. A user already has jump the gun and disambiguated Dubai (since Al Maktoum will have passenger service from 27 October 2013, I think that is when the first flight is launched from there but I could be wrong). Any comments should be on that page. 68.119.73.36 ( talk) 03:53, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
I added the 2011 Medical Transport crash that happened to the article's accidents section. The plane ran out of fuel and the pilot had traces of marijuana in his system.(All of this with proper citations, of course) He had two past DUIs also. A senseless crash and tragedy. My wife knew the couple who died in it and had spoken to the wife the day of the accident. They were parishioners of the same church we attend. ...William 18:33, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Naming (Airports)#Disambiguation of airports by location, where I have opened a discussion regarding another editor making the following addition to Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Naming (Airports) earlier this year:
Based on my reading of Wikipedia:Article titles, I believe that "Airport Name (Location)" is the correct method, except for the rare cases where "Airport Name, Location" is a commonly used name (for example, see airports in Norway). I would welcome comments there from interested editors. Also see Talk:Enterprise Municipal Airport (Oregon)#Requested move 14 October 2013) which proposes moving Enterprise Municipal Airport (Oregon) to Enterprise Municipal Airport, Oregon. Thanks. -- Zyxw ( talk) 19:55, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
The above assumption would seem to always hold true: an airline hub always has a crewbase. Please confirm. I understand that the opposite is not necessarily a given: a crewbase is not always an airline hub. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.135.16 ( talk) 00:40, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Since Dubai's Al Maktoum Airport now has passenger flights operating, should we now differentiate Dubai's 2 major airports now. 68.119.73.36 ( talk) 21:08, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Could someone please take a look at this move request? The suggestion is to remove the word "International" from Chiang Mai, Phuket and Hat Yai Airports. I thought the rationale wasn't very clear, but I'm not familiar with how airport articles are named in general. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 12:05, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I reverted most (if not all) the unsourced edits Theo1994 ( talk · contribs) made today to a number of airport articles. During this week, I had another discussion with an IP at my talk page regarding the unreferenced additions of new services, as well as routes that will be terminated. It is clear from the guidelines, i.e. WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT, that sources are required for such additions. The behaviuor I mention above is increasing even among registered editors.-- Jetstreamer Talk 19:02, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
I am having a problem on the Dakar Airport page. SAA's flight from Johannesburg to JFK makes a stop in Dakar but SAA operates flights from JFK to Johannesburg nonstop. However, JFK keeps getting deleted from that page as an editor stated that the airline only makes a stop in one direction but not the other so SAA does not have traffic rights from DKR to JFK (as the airline does sell tickets from DKR-JFK). Should airlines that makes a stop at a airport in one direction but not the other direction be listed? Any comments! Snoozlepet ( talk) 02:23, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
New article List of most runways at an airport not sure if this is actually of any help or just made up stuff? MilborneOne ( talk) 19:49, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
I want to bring to attention of an overzealous IP editor who has essentially become a vandal, the latest battle ground is Wichita Falls Municipal Airport and today's IP being User:75.16.27.73. He "improves" airport articles by purely cleansing the text from an American English standpoint, more precisely, a Simple English standpoint. He changes nautical miles to miles, unlinks "CBD|downtown" to just downtown, removes ", United States" assuming every English reader in the world immediately knows where in the world South Dakota may be by just clicking around other links. (Remember, usually a state map pops up, so that still doesn't tell which country!) And he also compromises many more technical terms such as forcing FAA to "call" airports instead of to "categorize" airports. This IP editor has been around for years. Maybe protection is needed for Wichita Falls, but is there any way to do something to an unengageable IP? HkCaGu ( talk) 23:31, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Come on over and help decide whether this article should be kept or not. ...William 17:23, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Template:World-airport ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- 70.50.148.105 ( talk) 04:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I have created Category:Fixed-base operators. I believe that "forcing" articles about FBOs into a variety of categories that at best only partially apply to them, is less than optimal, so I created the specific category. Comments, criticism and suggestions welcome. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 17:53, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
The Iloilo International Airport article could use some additional comments. Over at Talk:Iloilo International Airport I have been in a discussion with another editor about whether the article should even mention the name "Santa Barbara Airport". I argue that the article should mention the name since that name is common, even if inaccurate, and can be seen in histories of World War II and in Lonely Planet guidebooks. User:Tumandokkangcabatuan argues that it is a "lie" that should not be spread by Wikipedia. I have proposed a solution. Other editors comments are needed I think if we are to reach a WP:Consensus. See Talk:Iloilo International Airport#Create a section to discuss the name. -- Iloilo Wanderer ( talk) 03:48, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Can someone review this article to verify it is actually a GA status article. Hell In A Bucket ( talk) 02:39, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Template:NWS-current has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page.
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I have noticed that some United flights from the US to Asia that stop at United hub Tokyo (NRT) have the Asia destination included (i.e. ORD-NRT-ICN UA881/UA882 operating 777 on all segments however, pmCO 737 operates NRT-ICN as UA79). Other flights require plane changes at the Narita hub. I want to know that if United flights thru NRT direct flights are considered "timetable direct" like Delta NRT and we should include those flights? 68.119.73.36 ( talk) 06:12, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
I am not sure if this is an appropriate place to mention a new airport article so forgive me if its not. I rescued a dormant Article for Creation and just moved it to Brisbane West Wellcamp Airport. I haven't created an airport article before so some experienced editors having a look would probably be good. - Shiftchange ( talk) 12:38, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
I need to get the community's consensus on listing destinations for beyond-hub flights by Mainland Chinese airlines.
Currently bullet number 7 says:
Based on this spirit these are how things have been handled:
In Mainland China, domestic continations/originations have begun to appear in recent years. I, User:Snoozlepet and others have been maintaining and explaining such situations as new and anonymous editors add or remove these destinations. We've removed anything passing through Beijing (PEK) as domestic and international flights are completely separated into different terminals, meaning both the aircraft and passengers have to move. We've allowed or added these flights passing through Shanghai-Pudong (PVG) because there is no terminal or even gate separation as domestic and international passengers simply board from or disembark into different floors for different procedures.
The latest edit war (see edit history of SFO and my talk page) involves what I believe to be one US, possibly Southern California-based anonymous editor using a different IP every time. This editor reasons that the flights aren't truly direct because (1) may not be the same aircraft everyday, (2) passengers go through customs and immigration, (3) less than 5% of passengers continue the flight, and (4) these continuations are just second-tier municipal government subsidizing airlines to use big aircraft so they can boast international flights.
However, according to our past practice:
SFO is due to be unprotected from administrators (currently locked to the IP's version, not mine) on November 28. I'd like to solicit some opinions and support. HkCaGu ( talk) 20:23, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Jetstar/Qantas also have some cases of domestic "tag" flights departing/arriving from international terminals which generally continue and/or originate from international destinations (eg QF8 DFW-BNE-SYD) Passengers continuing to end destination does not clear customs until they land at end destination. They are also generally the same aircraft, at the international terminal, at the same gate area, complete with full domestic pick-up rights as home cariers (hence why QF/JQ domestic destinations are sometimes listed in the "International" section of Australian airport pages.
At the stop-over location (eg JQ4 HNL-SYD-MEL), they however, reclear security at the stopover port (in this example SYD) before re-entering the gate area at the international terminal/gates. Sb617 ( Talk) 08:24, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
As far as I know, Chinese carriers from the US/Europe/Middle East to destinations beyond China via major Chinese city hubs are not timetable direct. The flight numbers and aircraft are stable enough to qualify listing. However, if a flight requires a stop at Beijing (PEK) should definitely be excluded because domestic and international flights are in different terminals at the airport. Also, flights that pass through Chengdu should be excluded as domestic and international flights at that airport are in separate terminals as well. Regarding PVG, do passengers going from SFO-PVG-TAO, SFO-PVG-WUH, and LAX-PVG CKG (China Eastern) pass through customs and immigration in PVG or the final destination? Also, doesn't Chinese airlines offer free meals on domestic segments/flights? 68.119.73.36 ( talk) 06:07, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
A few airport articles have had 'destination maps' creep in. There is no mention of them in the guide, so what is the project consensus on these? For example this seems cluttered, outside the resolution of my screen, difficult to update and a bit travel guide. Any thoughts? SempreVolando ( talk) 17:36, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
A few days ago Infobox Military structure merged with Infobox Test Site & parameters from Infobox airport to create Template:Infobox military installation, within articles which still have the infobox military structure on them, the co-ordinates are extremely likely to disappear on the normal "Read" view however the co-ordinates will remain viewable from the edit view. Military structure articles which are airports will be updated first but this will take time, if see any other problems can you please post them under this post please? Thank you. Gavbadger ( talk) 20:45, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
A transgendered woman was allegedly abused by Hong Kong customs and/or immigration in November 2013. It didn't make the news media, local or abroad, in any manner close to universal. No social impacts, no follow up news reports whatsoever.
Two months later, someone decided it was an "incident" worth adding to Hong Kong International Airport, and when reverted (and WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT explained), a six-year, less-than-250-edit editor with no edits since late November 2012 reacted at Talk:Hong Kong International Airport and declared, "if we need some people from LGBT portal in Wikipedia coming here to show what an incident is an incident, we will bring them, there is not space for discrimination in Wikipedia." HkCaGu ( talk) 07:29, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Although a requested move discussion has not taken place, there has been protracted edit warring on Sultan Aji Muhamad Sulaiman Airport about the name of the airport. As the administrator who protected the page, I'm advising members of this project to provide any assistance and advice they can. Thank you. — C.Fred ( talk) 18:57, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
I notice that someone has added that Iran Air operates flights from Tehran Mehrabad Airport to Tehran Imam Khoemeini Airport on their respective articles. I mean is it possible to fly between just 2 airports in the same city or could it just be a bus service that Iran Air provides between the 2 airports. Rzxz1980 ( talk) 19:55, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Started an RfC on the use of bold in the template at Template talk:Airport codes#RfC: Should the codes be in bold by default?. CambridgeBayWeather ( talk) 21:05, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
I don't know if anyone has seen this discussion but my thought is still the same. However, I am seeing some improvements. I mean, I am seeing that people are citing sources for some destination lists on airport articles. Unfortunately, there are still plenty of destination lists without sources or at least the {{fact}} template. When I patrol Recent Changes to fight vandalism, I do notice some IP addresses edit airport articles and add and/or remove destinations without an edit summary. Therefore, I cannot tell whether it is a legitimate edit or vandalism. NHRHS2010 RIP M.H. (1994-2014) 01:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
I just totally removed [1] it from the article. Why I did this I addressed at the article's talk page but I'll do it here too.
Much of this was trivial happenings, but some like the 2011 bomb could be put in the article's history section if a reference can be found for it. MH 370 is the only removal that could be called controversial but this plane accident took place somewhere other than KL. ...William 03:47, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
While I'm not sure we need these, I was just looking at one after the cleanup for the regional carriers in the destinations list. These tables don't list the regionals in there. That begs the question of what does this mean to the average reader? Are the regionals included in the mainline numbers? I believe that is the case, but the table does not make this clear. So should it? Also the table lists the 'Top Carriers' in each market, but my limited experience is that it lists all of the carriers in each market. So are changes needed? Of the better question, which I think was asked before, do we need these tables? I think the source for this data, for the numbers at least, is the site linked and all we do is added the airlines. I think the government site is actually more informative and would rather provide a link there. Any comments? Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:16, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
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Dallas Love Field's airline and destinations section has a messed up citation. It now looks like Delta Connection serves all the destinations and Southwest serves none. Please fix. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.118.54 ( talk) 22:50, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I think it's worth taking a look at this thread, where a reliable third-party source came in contradiction with an official press release. I followed the standard WP:VERIFY protocol of providing a third-party reliable source only to find that I was wrong. Thanks.-- Jetstreamer Talk 18:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Hello. I invite you to take a look at these contributions, where the unsourced addition of start/end dates is just an example of a pattern that has been increasingly spreading across almost all airport articles and is a blatant violation to WP:VERIFY, which is a basic policy. I'd like to draw your attention to this and also to know the way to stop this behaviour. Any comments?-- Jetstreamer Talk 22:12, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Per this article on SG's website, BKK is listed as an SG destination out of BLR and vice versa. But none of the flight booking websites list SG as an airline from BLR to BKK. Even on SG website, BKK is just not listed in the drop down menu. So this does mean that this route is scrapped right? — Abhishek Talk 07:49, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Hello, I'm a novice editor and could use some advise. Some one keeps reverting the edits for the Columbia Gorge Regional Airport article. Any ideas on dealing with someone like this? Thanks, Trashbag ( talk) 17:00, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
The IP at 128.32.104.164 is at it again. I'm 100% sure that it is actually User:Tim Zukas. Here's why.
Tim has repeatedly added external links to a Flickr account containing scans of vintage airport diagrams. He did such in the history section of various airports as a direct external link. That goes against the external link guidelines, so I removed a few, including the one for JFK. He re-added that one, indignantly demanding to be pointed out the rule, which I did both in my edit summary and a note on his talk page, where I said it should go in the external links section.
The very next edit saw the 128 IP do just that. Following up to makes sure that others were similarly fixed, I noted a pattern of behavior among the IP, the registered Tim account (for which he has been in trouble before), and the other IPs mentioned here and in the previous thread HkCaGu refers to. Notably, the 128 IP was one of the IPs involved in the edit war that lead to the block of 75.16.27.73.
So was 173.164.133.26, which has specifically been used by Tim to answer a note on his own talk page. So it seems that this editor, who has been warned about this exact sort of editing before, is editing logged out to cover his tracks.
This is a major accusation, I know, but I wouldn't make it unless a) the evidence was so solid and b) the behavior wasn't so problematic, including edit warring, sock puppetry, and editing against consensus and guidelines. oknazevad ( talk) 19:24, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
User:128.32.104.164 is back today with two edits. Reporting to AIV. HkCaGu ( talk) 22:14, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Is there a convention for showing in destination tables routes that are ended temporarily, but not on a regular basis? Example: this adjustment on Southwest's ECP-BWI route. I'm sure there are other examples. Listroiderbob talk edits more 03:36, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Dear airport experts: Here's an old Afc submission that will soon be deleted as a stale draft. Should it be kept and improved instead? Or is this information already covered in another article? — Anne Delong ( talk) 15:54, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Just reverted the addition of some very large destination maps in Düsseldorf Airport, not sure even when collapsed they add to the article have these been discussed before ? MilborneOne ( talk) 14:48, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
I've made a few WP:BOLD changes, based on what I believe to be WP:COMMONSENSE, in the categorisation tree for airports. I figured I'd drop a note here before moving further with renames, instead of just shuffling the tree. Specifically, originally, the tree went:
This looked a little odd to me, and upon looking things up, I found that Airfield redirects to Aerodrome. (Which means that, technically, an argument could be made for Category:Airfields to be renamed to Category:Aerodromes, but that's another kettle o' fish.) And airports are types of aerodromes/airfields. As the article says, "all airports are aerodromes, not all aerodromes are airports." So I reorganised the tree to:
Which is much more logical, as an airport is a type of airfield. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:07, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
I notice that quite a few articles on Brazilian airports are now out of date due to construction related to the soccer World Cup and the 2016 Olympics. Just wondering if there was any interest in working to improve these articles. Hack ( talk) 08:52, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
There has been a dispute on certain European low-cost carriers that are not "Hub-and-spoke" carriers (they don't have "hubs" but rather "bases") but one user instead has designated them as "focus cities". Any suggestions on how to resolve this. Thanks! Rzxz1980 ( talk) 18:32, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Correction: The issue here is the term "focus city" and does it refer to all carriers or only the carriers that operate a "hub and spoke" system.
Rzxz1980 (
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23:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
I always thought
focus cities were bases where airlines have many point to point flights to places that are not their hubs?
Eightnine2 (
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This appears to be an East African Airlines but I'm not sure if it wouldn't qualify as a "private charter" airline in which case it shouldn't have its destinations included on Wikipedia's airport pages. Also the pages that exist seem to list many destinations which I believe involve a plane change or a stop-over. Does anyone have any thoughts on what to do with this airline? Here's their webpage with schedule ( http://www.coastal.co.tz/pdf/Coastal_Schedule_2014_issued_20140306.pdf) and descriptions ( http://www.coastal.co.tz/pdf/Coastal_Flights_Description_2014.pdf) of their flights: http://www.coastal.co.tz/flights/scheduled-flights/ Cheers Monopoly31121993 ( talk) 14:24, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia editing but I've started a project to update the airport pages for Africa. It's been going well but I've run into a few problems and I have some questions I'm hoping members of this group can answer: 1) What is a destination? Is it only a list of DIRECT flight locations or does it include destinations that include stop-overs but not changing planes? 2) If the answer to this first question is that destinations via a stop-over can be include then how about if it involves two or even three stop-overs but no deplaning ? I ask this because in Africa some airlines fly routes that go A to B to C to D to E and then back to A. So should E be listed as a destination for D, C, B, and A? 3) Lastly, what if the airport only receives flights from a destination but does not fly there (for example, A receives flights from B but only flies to C directly from A). Thanks, I hope there are already some rules for this kind of thing. Cheers! Monopoly31121993 ( talk) 14:49, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
I recently edited the Los Angeles International Airport and John F. Kennedy International Airport articles to add each other as destinations for Qantas. QF107 operates SYD-LAX-JFK on a 747, QF108 is JFK-LAX-SYD. Qantas does not have cabotage (specifically, 8th freedom) rights for the domestic LAX-JFK segment, meaning they can't sell solely domestic itineraries. However, they can carry passengers on that segment that connect with other Qantas flights (at LAX). I don't know if Qantas can also connect their passengers between code-share flights to/from LAX operated by another airline with the Qantas LAX-JFK flight (if Qantas sells the itinerary). Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports/page content#Body lists criteria for the airlines/destinations table:
List non-stop and direct flights only. That means the flight number and the aircraft, starts at this airport and continues to one or more airports. Avoid using the description 'via' since that is more correctly listed as another destination. If passengers can not disembark at a stop on a direct flight, then do not list it as a destination or as 'via'. Direct flights are not always non-stop flights. However, avoid listing direct flights that contain a stop at a domestic hub, as virtually all of these are simply flights from one "spoke city" to a hub, with the plane continuing from the hub to a second spoke city. Furthermore, these flights often involve plane changes, despite the direct designation. Including these flights dramatically increases the length of destination listings, artificially inflates the airline's presence at a location and requires constant updating, as these "timetable direct" destinations have little rhyme or reason and may change as often as every week or two.
Per the above quoted policy, NY-JFK is a Qantas destination from LAX (and vice versa) as: 1)the same aircraft/flight number is used, 2) passengers can embark/disembark, and 3) it's not a "hub" where the aircraft is often changed and/or there is a (nearly) complete turnover of passengers. There's just the caveat that the flight can't carry passengers solely between LAX-JFK. I edited both articles ( LAX & JFK) to reflect this after starting discussion at Talk:Los Angeles International Airport#Qantas JFK "destination". However, both edits were soon reverted as "vandalism", despite the fact that my edits were made according to policy and there was no prior consensus to not list JFK as a Qantas destination from LAX & LAX as a Qantas destination from JFK.
I tried searching the internet for examples of other flights like QF107/108 that are operated despite lack of cabotage rights and could not find any examples to see how they are handled on WP. I think they should be listed since passengers can embark/disembark to connect to different flights (just different international flights on the same airline), just as long as there's an endnote to the table mentioning the lack of 8th freedom rights on the route. AHeneen ( talk) 20:21, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Mainline Carriers in the United States (Delta/United/US Airways (American) outsource much of their flying to regional affiliates, which we display on Airlines/Destination tables. However, the regional carriers that are operating the routes can often change very frequently and without notice, thus leaving the airline/destination tables inaccurate. For example, if Delta Connection flies from Hartford (BDL) to Cincinnati (CVG) using ExpressJet and Compass Airlines, but then decides that they want to start using Endeavor Air instead, it's likely the table won't get updated for some time because the change isn't significant. Regional Carriers often start and stop different routes all the time, and constant updates to the table just aren't practical. In addition, having six different regional carriers operating for one airline looks a bit messy (and confusing for people who aren't as familiar with aviation as we are).
The first table below is an excerpt from Hartford (BDL)'s airline/destination table for Delta Airlines. You will notice DL uses 5 regional airlines at BDL, in addition to their mainline service. In addition, you will see that Chautauqua airline's is stopping BDL - CVG service on May 1. However, this service continues to operate as normal as other carriers (Endeavor Air) are still operating the flight. To the passenger, no change will be noticed.
The second table shows a modified version of this table, with the carriers operating the flight under the Delta Connection brand are not shown. It looks much cleaner and far easier to read for someone that doesn't know as much about aviation as we do here. In addition, it allows us to avoid having to update the tables every time a flight switches hands between a regional carrier. I don't see a practical purpose to listing all the regional airlines. If one is curious, they can click on the Delta Connection link and view all the carriers that operate as DL connection.
Airlines | Destinations | Concourse(s) |
---|---|---|
Delta Air Lines |
Atlanta,
Detroit,
Minneapolis/St. Paul Seasonal: Cancún | East, IAB |
Delta Connection operated by Chautauqua Airlines | Cincinnati (ends May 1, 2014), Raleigh/Durham | East |
Delta Connection operated by Compass Airlines | Seasonal: Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul | East |
Delta Connection operated by ExpressJet |
Cleveland (begins June 5, 2014),
Detroit,
Orlando,
Raleigh/Durham Seasonal: Atlanta | East |
Delta Connection operated by Endeavor Air |
Cincinnati,
Raleigh/Durham Seasonal: Minneapolis/St.Paul | East |
Delta Connection operated by GoJet Airlines | Seasonal: Detroit | East |
Airlines | Destinations | Concourse(s) |
---|---|---|
Delta Air Lines |
Atlanta,
Detroit,
Minneapolis/St. Paul Seasonal: Cancún | East, IAB |
Delta Connection |
Cincinnati,
Cleveland (begins June 5, 2014),
Detroit,
Minneapolis/St. Paul,
Orlando,
Raleigh/Durham Seasonal: Atlanta | East |
Please provide feedback! Is implementation of this practical? The regional airlines are always changing so this would allow us to keep the airline/destination tables looking neat. Most regional flying has a brand (Delta Connection/US Airways Express/United Express/Air Canada Express, etc). Some don't -- for example, Alaska Airlines does not have a 'Alaska Express or Connection' brand, so AS's regional carrier, Horizon Air, would still appear on the table as 'Alaska Airlines operated by Horizon Air. Thoughts? Tofutwitch11 (TALK) 01:40, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Airlines | Destinations | Concourse(s) |
---|---|---|
Delta Air Lines |
Atlanta,
Detroit,
Minneapolis/St. Paul Seasonal: Cancún | East, IAB |
Delta Connection operated by
Chautauqua Airlines, Compass Airlines, ExpressJet, Endeavor Air, and GoJet Airlines |
Cincinnati,
Cleveland (begins June 5, 2014),
Detroit,
Minneapolis/St. Paul,
Orlando,
Raleigh/Durham Seasonal: Atlanta | East |
Are we doing this for just US carriers only or does this apply to all worldwide regional carriers dba as mainline (i.e. Lufthansa Regional, Etihad Regional, KLMCityHopper, etc.)? Rzxz1980 ( talk) 02:08, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
How does everyone feel this is going so far? I think it's working out well. Thoughts? Tofutwitch11 (TALK) 01:50, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
I firmly believe this entire effort is a terrible idea, and completely detrimental to the usefulness of the destination section of the articles. Regional airline routes are updated by interested users with knowledge of the changes, such as myself. Treating "Delta Connection" or "United Express" as airlines themselves provides readers with misinformation that is more problematic than what we had before. ( CLCadiz ( talk) 07:25, 11 April 2014 (UTC))
I disagree. First, these "brands" are displayed under the "airlines" column of the table. Therefore, they are being classified as standalone airlines with actual operating certificates, which is clearly an incorrect categorization by association.
Secondly, you also mentioned that an interested reader could click on the regional "brand" name in order to find out the route details, should they chose. Unfortunately, this is simply not adequate. Clicking on the regional "brand" takes you to an article which lists the regional airlines flying under that "brand." Clicking on one of those airlines takes you to that regional airline's page. On that page, there may be another link to "XYZ Airlines Destinations." Clicking that link takes you to a page which simply lists destinations. This does not provide any valuable information on route structure, nor does it indicate which destinations are served from a certain airport. It also rarely separates destinations by "brand," for the larger regionals with many major airline contracts (ExpressJet, Etc.) This means that all the destinations are lumped together in an unusable list. This is not a replacement for the airport-specific route information that we have had.
You also mention that most people are not familiar with regional airline carriers. I find this to increasingly not be the case. As you know, the law now requires airlines to disclose if a regional carrier will be operating a route. This alone has increased awareness of their existence. Furthermore, in recent days, major news outlets have reported on an "Airline Quality" study which listed airlines such as Endeavor, ExpressJet, SkyWest, and American Eagle. These names (and their roles) have become more prevalent, and I do not believe that omitting them from the airport page is productive. Regional airlines account for more than 50% of scheduled airline service in the United States. By only referring to the codeshare "brands," we are ignoring the fundamental mechanism by which the US air travel system works.
I also submit that "operated by" lines are not messy nor confusing. On the contrary, they provide a clear reference as to the routes operated by a certain carrier. The route structure can sometimes be complex, but that does not mean we should be dumbing down these articles. Wikipedia contributors should be striving to maintain accuracy and not to commit to destroying good information for the sake of simplicity. The vast majority of airline-serviced airports in the United States are smaller Class C and Class D facilities with a very small number of regional destinations. The regional routes from these locations are manageable and have, in fact, been largely correct. Especially at these locations, which account for most of the airports, the route and operator volatility that you refer to is greatly overstated. The accuracy of these routes can be easily verified by cross-checking the recent flights on tracking services that monitor filed IFR flights, such as Flightaware. The regional airline's official route map can also often be used. For most of these airports, it would take a mere minute or two to verify route information currency.
The difficulty mainly arises with larger class B airports that serve as major hubs for the regional networks. This poses a challenge, but can be effectively managed by a coordinated division of responsibilities. A major airport's regional route structure can be updated and verified in 15 minutes. I believe that it is completely reasonable to enact a system in which these routes are validated at a regular monthly interval. A "Regional Route Team" should be created, where each person updates the ~5 major airports under their area of responsibility. I volunteer myself to prove that this can be done. It would be a terrible shame to destroy largely accurate information for the purpose of streamlining and expediency, especially when doing so does not accurately portray the US commercial aviation network. I strongly suggest moving forward with a trial to demonstrate viability. ( CLCadiz ( talk) 00:22, 12 April 2014 (UTC))
Well this grinds my gears a bit. I rarely ever comment on here but I had to. This is a lousy change. I'm far from an aviation expert but I'm not ignorant about those commuter airlines masquerading as US Air and so forth. Ton of them out here in Phoenix, and I travel regularly so I like to check the Phoenix airport wikipedia to see which ones fly where before I try to book. (had a bad experience with one so I like to know because it effects which airline I choose) Now it's a real pain and I can't find that info. It was so clear before. I don't get it????! - Kent H. ( 108.170.1.2 ( talk) 05:02, 14 April 2014 (UTC))
How should we word this change on the WP:AIRPOTS/page content page? Tofutwitch11 (TALK) 01:39, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
The bulletted format would be ideal:
Airlines | Destinations | Concourse(s) |
---|---|---|
Delta Air Lines |
Atlanta,
Detroit,
Minneapolis/St. Paul Seasonal: Cancún | East, IAB |
Delta Connection operated by: |
Cincinnati,
Cleveland (begins June 5, 2014),
Detroit,
Minneapolis/St. Paul,
Orlando,
Raleigh/Durham Seasonal: Atlanta | East |
-- 71.135.174.99 ( talk) 18:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I was working on the DAL page and I looking through it, I was just thinking that it looks rather bulky and even a little confusing when all of the dates are in the Airline/Destination chart. I thought of using notes rather than writing it in the chart. What do you guys think? I think it would just make it a little cleaner.
Note: This is from the DAL page but I've removed and changed some of it for this example.
Airlines | Destinations | Terminal |
---|---|---|
Delta Connection | Atlanta, 1 Detroit, 2 Los Angeles, 2 Minneapolis/St. Paul 2 [1] | 1 |
Southwest Airlines | Albuquerque, Amarillo, Atlanta, 4 Austin, Baltimore, 2 Lubbock, Midland/Odessa | 2 |
Virgin America | Los Angeles, 2 New York-LaGuardia, 3 San Francisco 2 [2] | 2 |
Aviationspecialist101 ( talk) 19:37, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
I posted this to a user that misposted or vandalized the Washington-Dulles destinations section:
Hi. When should American Airlines and US Airways be merged into one cell in the airlines and destinations tables? They are in the process of changing US Airways liveries into AA ones. [6] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eightnine2 ( talk • contribs) 08:58, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
Can anyone take a look at this page? An IP (a possible suspected sockpuppet of Jakedn135 who kept constantly removing start/end dates that have not occurred yet) keeps insisting that UA Express has vacated Concourse D at the airport (the source provided states that they will leave Concourse D on June 5, 2014 and the airport's official website still shows UA still at Concourse D). Also, a lot of the UA Express destinations that were listed to end in June supposedly ended May 30, 2014 (but I have reinstated them). If UA did end those destinations on May 30, 2014, then United would've de-hubbed CLE on May 30, 2014 instead of June 5, 2014. Thanks! 68.119.73.36 ( talk) 04:20, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone know what is the actually city name for Bangalore/Bengaluru should we put in the destination lists? I know a couple of Indian airports pages lists the destination as "Bengaluru" (I believe that is the official name) and "Banglore" is the common name for the city. Thanks! 68.119.73.36 ( talk) 04:14, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
Users user:Fnlayson and user:BilCat have been edit warring with me over my strikeout text of Boeing 737 orders, in which the total orders do not add to the sum of all individual orders. Clearly the figure is wrong, so strikeout text should be shown. 66.87.119.254 ( talk) 16:55, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
I am just curious why we call DCA Washington-National rather than Washington-Reagan? We do New York-JFK rather than New York-International, we call ORD Chicago-O'Hare, LGA New York-LaGuardia, MDW Chicago-Midway, IAD Washington-Dulles. The airport's name is Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport. National is used as International is in other airport names. Reagan is the same as Midway, Dulles, O'Hare and others. If it is political and some here don't like him, I don't think that is a valid reason to not call it Washington-Reagan. I am interested to know. Thank you. Aviationspecialist101 ( talk) 01:38, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
What name does most people refer to the airport as? 68.119.73.36 ( talk) 02:00, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
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Can someone please take a look at these two articles? IPs keep modifying the Air Canada services as if they were year round. An airline 's press release confirms the start of scheduled services, but only after 26 October. Thanks.-- Jetstreamer Talk 20:20, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I am seeing many IPs and editors listing the US Airways flights at European airports as "American Airlines operated by US Airways". Do we start designating these flights when SOC is achieved? Some have been reverted. 46.140.101.190 ( talk) 15:34, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
There seem to be a lot of charter airlines listed in destinations sections that are not labeled as charters. Just to give one example, look at Punta Cana International Airport. At least half of the airlines there are charters but it doesn't say that. Was there some new rule about this that allowed them to remove that charter label? Thanks Monopoly31121993 ( talk) 17:22, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the media copyright questions page about whether the airport aerial images listed there are screenshots, and therefore quite possibly copyright violations, or are they actual photos the uplaoder has freely released. Any and all comments appreciated. ww2censor ( talk) 14:55, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Dear airport experts: Nobody is working on this old AfC submission. Is this a notable topic, and should it be kept and improved instead of being deleted as a stale draft? — Anne Delong ( talk) 22:31, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Just saying. Please chime in with your input. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.119.110 ( talk) 00:49, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Some one keeps removing Air India Regional charter service to Car Nicobar Air Force Base for Andaman and Nicobar Islands Administration, the edit has reference with all valid detailed information attached and a valid launch date, and note added i.e operated for the said admin. but this person keeps finding some reason to delete it. The service will use Air India Regional branded aircraf, AIR crews and flight code CD too. 175.110.222.144 ( talk) 16:34, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
I have removed MH17 a number of times from Amsterdam Airport Schiphol as as far as I know Ukraine is nowhere need Amsterdam, as is normal the accident or incident needs to be at or close to the airport, it has been raised on the talk page but that is not helping. MilborneOne ( talk) 17:03, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Please note that I've reverted all the edits made by JPark99 ( talk · contribs) where the dash was replaced with an ndash for multi-airport cities. To the best of my knowledge there is no consensus for these changes, and this is also reflected in WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT.-- Jetstreamer Talk 18:02, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
To the best of my knowledge, JFK, LAX, MIA, IAH, and many other major airport pages already used an ndash for multiple airport cities long before my edits. It seems like a very nice way to stylistically and neatly differentiate between multiple airport cities and cities whose names include dashes. I made those minor edits in a goodwill effort to try and improve wikipedia. Example : London—Heathrow (multiple airport city) Port-au-Prince (city whose name uses dashes)
Along with reverting all of the work that I did, I hope that Jetstreamer ( talk · contribs) will also check all other airport pages and ensure that there are no ndashes being used where they shouldn't be, as many airport pages are styled this way, edited by users other than myself. I didn't realize that this would be a controversial issue. JPark99 ( talk) 22:25, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
I have proposed moving City Airport & Heliport to City Airport (Manchester Barton). Please see Talk:City Airport & Heliport. Simply south .... .. sitting on fans for just 8 years 20:56, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
There is an IP that is being very disruptive at the Dusseldorf Airport page regarding sources for seasonal services. There are two sources that say the EXACT same thing for AA's seasonal service here. Also, should sources go before or after the destination? Also the IP is calling the edits "vandalism". Please help! 71.12.206.168 ( talk) 06:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Articles of airports with flights to Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport (Kuala Lumpur's previous main airport) have become like the Gaza Strip in the last few weeks with an intense edit war between User:Tafeax and a roaming IP user from Singapore, with each calling the other vandal (in edit summaries) and going far beyond 3RR with no talk page discussions whatsoever.
What can we do? What do we say on this issue?
Hello. I have proposed a merge from Cavern airfield to Aircraft cavern, but I am getting resistance from the author who is not prepared to discuss the issue. Can someone else have a look and chuck their Ha'porth in.-- Petebutt ( talk) 04:32, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
If any editor has time to take a look at this page regarding AA service at this airport. The airline originally launch this destination as a year-round destination but it has been converted to summer seasonal now. The dispute is that where do we place the source for such a change (after the seasonal note or after the destination itself?) Thanks! Rzxz1980 ( talk) 05:11, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedians, Wiki-meteorologists and Wiki-geologists,
Last year, a pair of OAK's runways were quietly relabeled due to changes in Earth's magnetic north: KQED science article
I can't imagine this phenomenon only impacted OAK. I am asking y'all if runway information for all other North American airports have been updated, since this was an FAA-mandated change.
71.135.174.99 ( talk) 14:56, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Should there be a different template for air traffic topics? There will be lots going on in the next decades in this area. ILS and other features of the airport environment are within the scope of the airports project, but the airports template really only facilitates adding an entry for an airport. For instance the paragraph on FAROS in the PAPI entry is good but it needs to have its own. Altaphon ( talk) 16:02, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Please create the following article: Boeing Long Beach Factory. It should follow the format of Boeing Renton Factory. Thanks you. 71.135.174.99 ( talk) 00:53, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
If an airline flies non-stop/direct to Airport A from Airport B (passengers can board, not a refueling stop or hub) but does not fly non-stop from Airport A to Airport B, is Airport B considered a "destination" for the Airport A article? Simplified, an airline flies A-B-C-A (B & C follow guidelines, ie. not refueling stops, no cabotage issues), is B a "destination" on the C airport article? AHeneen ( talk) 17:50, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Bit of a disagreement at Julius Nyerere International Airport on the need to have destinations referenced, appreciate if anybody can have a look at it, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 10:47, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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Southwest Airlines's route from HOU to SJU is a summer seasonal service and it has been listed under the seasonal destination. However, a user constantly continues to add the resumption date to route which is scheduled to resume March 7, 2015 (the route operated this past summer, is being suspended for the winter, then resuming again next summer) as WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT (bullet #8) specifically states not to add begin/end dates for seasonal service. Can someone help??? 71.12.206.168 ( talk) 17:12, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
I've just come across Poznań–Ławica Airport. Shouldn't this endash actually be a hyphen? The airport serves Poznań and is located in the Poznań district of Ławica. If I understand correctly, endash is only used where an airport is named for two or more distinct cities that it serves. Colonies Chris ( talk) 13:54, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Greetings! I'm a new editor, inspired to get involved by a course at university, and am looking for a critique of my addition of the story of a B-747's emergency landing to the history section of the CFB Comox page. Thank you in advance for your input! Mlaboda ( talk) 22:17, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I'm seeing a lot of pages that have "seasonal charters" listed as part of the destinations list. It seems to me that the only time charters should be listed on the page is if they are under a separate section titled Charters. This page says "Do not include ad-hoc, irregular or private charter services." Monopoly31121993 ( talk) 17:56, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
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Some guy is going around changing the carriers name to airblue because its branded that way, he is mostly doing this in Pakistani airport articles, and reverting his edits just dosent work as in summary he gives this illogical reason for the change, I have explained to him before that the article title is Airblue, and given examples that Turkish Airlines in not TURKISH AIRLINES in an airport article, same for Cathay Pacific, British Airways and so on, can anyone stop this annoying practice or will it be better to change article title to airblue, like flydubai. 139.190.138.27 ( talk) 10:48, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
I really like the way there is a list of destinations for each airport and have managed to create something so they can be viewed on a map. www.emuair.com will show you a map, you will need to start by clicking on Bangkok, then continue by clicking on other airports/routes. It is slow and buggy but it mostly works for displaying the data from wikipedia. If anyone would like it changed or extended to help with wikipedia please let me know here. It is not commercial software, it is just a hobby site so please be patient. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrbluemonkey ( talk • contribs) 14:20, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
This is longer than I was expecting but yes I found some pretty crap data.
Comparing a few places. These have been chosen sort of at random, if I looked at an airport I have put it here. I have not tried to skew the results with careful selection.
From Myitkyina in Northern Myanmar; Wikipedia has Mandalay and Putao as destinations. Google has Bhamo, Mandalay and Putao Airline Route Mapper has Tachilek, Mandalay and Putao (Putao is in the wrong spot on the map) I can't see way to check which is right, I will give it to Google.
From Perth; Wikipedia has a flight listed from Per to Coco islands, looks like it goes through Christmas island. Google and Airline route mapper don't have it. Annoying and misleading from Wikipedia.
Wikipedia has Manila, Christchurch. Google and Flight mapper miss them both. The manila flight is via Darwin.
Flight mapper and Google have Gold Coast, not on Wikipedia. Wikipedia has Per to Laverton, missed by Google and airline route mapper. There are also a lot of small places that are only listed on wikipedia but don't come up elsewhere even tho they seem to fully exists on the airlines pages. wiki also has a lot of mining town destinations from PER.
From LBJ in Indonesia, ARM shows DPS and ENE. Google shows DPS, ENE and Maumare. wiki shows DPS, ENE, Kupang, Maumare and many others.
from BTJ indonesia; Google and ARM show PEN, KUL, MES and CGK. Wiki shows the above plus jeddah and 7 other local destinations.
From SCL wiki shows a flight to LAX, MPN on lima, FRA, MCO on Lan : flights don't exist. wikipedia loses here.
From JFK wiki shows ROB(Monrovia), SIN, SYD. - These don't exist Again wikipedia not so good.
From KTM wiki has a few extra destinations such as Lukla and jomsom that are handled by smaller airlines From PKR (Pokhara) Google and ARM have Kathmandu while Wiki has a few extra destinations, some of which are questionable.
OK I concede. Wikipedia airports and destinations data is ok for an overall picture but quite useful for smaller destinations in developing countries. It shouldn't be relied on as there is a fair amount of crap data. The data on Wikipedia can only get better (I hope). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrbluemonkey ( talk • contribs) 23:06, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
I know that this matter was discussed before, but during my update of the article for Kuwait International Airport, I added airport names to some multi-airport cities. However, HkCaGu undid some of my edits by claiming that Abu Dhabi, Frankfurt and Kuala Lumpur are not multi-airport cities. I responded to such action by presenting evidence supporting my stand (see my talk with HkCaGu on User_talk:HkCaGu#Multi-airport_Cities). However, I agree that the case of an airport such as Hahn Airport is controversial, but who says that distance is the determinant factor in linking airports to cities? If distance matters, then Sharjah Airport is more a Dubai airport than Gatwick, Heathrow, Luton and Stansted being London airports.
On a professional level, most of common practices related to the airline business is determined through IATA, which is an association of the world's leading airlines. Among such practices are ones related to tariffs which are reflected in airline-specific and global airline distribution systems. In tariff rules, IATA determined that some cities are multi-airport cities and that standard fares to different airports of such cities should not be different. Such practice by IATA (and as such by most airlines in the world) is reflected in all air transport systems such as scheduling and reservation systems. So do we need any consensus from Wikipedia contributors in this matter after releazing that there's an industry-wide consensus in the form of IATA practices? In this regard, Hahn is a Frankfurt airport, not because some low-cost airlines decided to promote it as such, but rather because IATA determined it as such. I understand that in the case of some multi-airport cities, there's no need to mention the airport name because only one airport has scheduled operation, but this is not the case with Abu Dhabi, Frankfurt and Kuala Lumpur.
On a personal level, as an air transport researcher, I think the IATA city thing is not good enough for practical purposes. For example, if I'm travelling to Dubai, then I should check flights to Sharjah and Ras al-Khaimah in addition to Dubai's two airports (DXB and DWC). The airports one should consider are ones that are within 100km of one's destination. For example, if I'm going to Jebel Ali (about 37km southwest of Dubai), then Ras al-Khaimah would be too far for me, but Al Ain and Abu Dhabi's two airports (International and Bateen) would be reasonable options in addition to Sharjah and Dubai's two airports. If I'm going to some place like Koblenz in Germany, then I should consider Cologne/Bonn in addition to Frankfurt's two airports (Main and Hahn). This turns to be a totally geographical problem, and not just a naming matter. Having said that, it remains a fact that IATA is the entity that determines multi-airport cities. Imdashti ( talk) 21:53, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Flightmapper has been used at Jomo Kenyatta International Airport as a reference for almost all the entries in the destinations list ( AfricaTanz ( talk · contribs) insists on adding them even though WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT does not require sources for current destinations). I'd like to start a discussion on whether Flightmapper should be considered reliable. Thoughts?-- Jetstreamer Talk 13:15, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
What's disturbing about this discussion and others like it is the assumption that this project has the power to dictate what is included in airport articles. That assumption needs to be buried once and for all. Also disturbing is the assumption that a project can decide that Wikipedia's sourcing policy can be ignored and that frequent contributors to this project can then go around trying to enforce the ignoring of policy. This project has a lot of soul searching to do. AfricaTanz ( talk) 02:48, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Speaking of the
Jomo Kenyatta International Airport page, why is the table listing nonstop flights only and flights that have traffic rights (especially Kenya Airways where the airline operates direct flights (to Hong Kong and Guangzhou which were removed) with the same flight number and plane via other cities) cause flightmapper lists all destinations served from the airport (and the destinations are noted as "direct" but NBO is page is listing nonstop flights only? The project guideline states that direct flights are listed in addition to nonstop flights as long as the flight number and plane stays the same. Thanks!
68.119.73.36 (
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::Well, editors have always added direct flights to airport articles for years whether they are part of it or not. Any disagreement should directed to the talk page and gain consensus.
68.119.73.36 (
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22:33, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
Ya'll can discuss, destroy, or damage Wikipedia all you want but I am never touching any airport articles ever again......Goodbye and Sayonara!!!! 68.119.73.36 ( talk) 05:19, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
Please see what I had to do with O'Hare International Airport (see edit history and each version's view). Visual Editor is wreaking havoc, making destination lists unmaintainable! I don't know the beta progress and the coding problem, but can someone knowledgeable find a way to shut this mess off? HkCaGu ( talk) 10:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
New template Template:Defunct airports in the United Kingdom not sure if it serves much of a navigation purpose, it may be small at the moment but after a few hundred former RAF airfields it would be pretty useless, thoughts. MilborneOne ( talk) 17:15, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
I was wondering if we should list all of the Avianca destinations (including TACA, Lasca, etc.) as just simply Avianca since all of those airlines have merged into just simply Avianca? I have seen most of the former TACA, Lasca destinations listed as "Avianca El Salvador, Avianca Peru, etc." but they are still using the former carrier's codes, aircraft, and crew. Snoozlepet ( talk) 20:51, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi there
I note that the 'List of Busiest Airports' Wikipedia page does not include Avalon Airport data and it should. This data is available from the Bureau of Infrastructure, and Regional Economics, and I can also assist you in providing this data.
If you would like to update this page with newer data I am able to help.
Let me know
Amelie100 ( talk) 04:53, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
A discussion was started at Talk:Dubai_World_Central_-_Al_Maktoum_International_Airport#Differentiating_Between_DBX_and_DWC on how should we handle on listing Dubai on airport articles. A user already has jump the gun and disambiguated Dubai (since Al Maktoum will have passenger service from 27 October 2013, I think that is when the first flight is launched from there but I could be wrong). Any comments should be on that page. 68.119.73.36 ( talk) 03:53, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
I added the 2011 Medical Transport crash that happened to the article's accidents section. The plane ran out of fuel and the pilot had traces of marijuana in his system.(All of this with proper citations, of course) He had two past DUIs also. A senseless crash and tragedy. My wife knew the couple who died in it and had spoken to the wife the day of the accident. They were parishioners of the same church we attend. ...William 18:33, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Naming (Airports)#Disambiguation of airports by location, where I have opened a discussion regarding another editor making the following addition to Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Naming (Airports) earlier this year:
Based on my reading of Wikipedia:Article titles, I believe that "Airport Name (Location)" is the correct method, except for the rare cases where "Airport Name, Location" is a commonly used name (for example, see airports in Norway). I would welcome comments there from interested editors. Also see Talk:Enterprise Municipal Airport (Oregon)#Requested move 14 October 2013) which proposes moving Enterprise Municipal Airport (Oregon) to Enterprise Municipal Airport, Oregon. Thanks. -- Zyxw ( talk) 19:55, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
The above assumption would seem to always hold true: an airline hub always has a crewbase. Please confirm. I understand that the opposite is not necessarily a given: a crewbase is not always an airline hub. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.135.16 ( talk) 00:40, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
Since Dubai's Al Maktoum Airport now has passenger flights operating, should we now differentiate Dubai's 2 major airports now. 68.119.73.36 ( talk) 21:08, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
Could someone please take a look at this move request? The suggestion is to remove the word "International" from Chiang Mai, Phuket and Hat Yai Airports. I thought the rationale wasn't very clear, but I'm not familiar with how airport articles are named in general. -- Paul_012 ( talk) 12:05, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I reverted most (if not all) the unsourced edits Theo1994 ( talk · contribs) made today to a number of airport articles. During this week, I had another discussion with an IP at my talk page regarding the unreferenced additions of new services, as well as routes that will be terminated. It is clear from the guidelines, i.e. WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT, that sources are required for such additions. The behaviuor I mention above is increasing even among registered editors.-- Jetstreamer Talk 19:02, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
I am having a problem on the Dakar Airport page. SAA's flight from Johannesburg to JFK makes a stop in Dakar but SAA operates flights from JFK to Johannesburg nonstop. However, JFK keeps getting deleted from that page as an editor stated that the airline only makes a stop in one direction but not the other so SAA does not have traffic rights from DKR to JFK (as the airline does sell tickets from DKR-JFK). Should airlines that makes a stop at a airport in one direction but not the other direction be listed? Any comments! Snoozlepet ( talk) 02:23, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
New article List of most runways at an airport not sure if this is actually of any help or just made up stuff? MilborneOne ( talk) 19:49, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
I want to bring to attention of an overzealous IP editor who has essentially become a vandal, the latest battle ground is Wichita Falls Municipal Airport and today's IP being User:75.16.27.73. He "improves" airport articles by purely cleansing the text from an American English standpoint, more precisely, a Simple English standpoint. He changes nautical miles to miles, unlinks "CBD|downtown" to just downtown, removes ", United States" assuming every English reader in the world immediately knows where in the world South Dakota may be by just clicking around other links. (Remember, usually a state map pops up, so that still doesn't tell which country!) And he also compromises many more technical terms such as forcing FAA to "call" airports instead of to "categorize" airports. This IP editor has been around for years. Maybe protection is needed for Wichita Falls, but is there any way to do something to an unengageable IP? HkCaGu ( talk) 23:31, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Come on over and help decide whether this article should be kept or not. ...William 17:23, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Template:World-airport ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- 70.50.148.105 ( talk) 04:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I have created Category:Fixed-base operators. I believe that "forcing" articles about FBOs into a variety of categories that at best only partially apply to them, is less than optimal, so I created the specific category. Comments, criticism and suggestions welcome. Roger (Dodger67) ( talk) 17:53, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
The Iloilo International Airport article could use some additional comments. Over at Talk:Iloilo International Airport I have been in a discussion with another editor about whether the article should even mention the name "Santa Barbara Airport". I argue that the article should mention the name since that name is common, even if inaccurate, and can be seen in histories of World War II and in Lonely Planet guidebooks. User:Tumandokkangcabatuan argues that it is a "lie" that should not be spread by Wikipedia. I have proposed a solution. Other editors comments are needed I think if we are to reach a WP:Consensus. See Talk:Iloilo International Airport#Create a section to discuss the name. -- Iloilo Wanderer ( talk) 03:48, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Can someone review this article to verify it is actually a GA status article. Hell In A Bucket ( talk) 02:39, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Template:NWS-current has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page.
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I have noticed that some United flights from the US to Asia that stop at United hub Tokyo (NRT) have the Asia destination included (i.e. ORD-NRT-ICN UA881/UA882 operating 777 on all segments however, pmCO 737 operates NRT-ICN as UA79). Other flights require plane changes at the Narita hub. I want to know that if United flights thru NRT direct flights are considered "timetable direct" like Delta NRT and we should include those flights? 68.119.73.36 ( talk) 06:12, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
I am not sure if this is an appropriate place to mention a new airport article so forgive me if its not. I rescued a dormant Article for Creation and just moved it to Brisbane West Wellcamp Airport. I haven't created an airport article before so some experienced editors having a look would probably be good. - Shiftchange ( talk) 12:38, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
I need to get the community's consensus on listing destinations for beyond-hub flights by Mainland Chinese airlines.
Currently bullet number 7 says:
Based on this spirit these are how things have been handled:
In Mainland China, domestic continations/originations have begun to appear in recent years. I, User:Snoozlepet and others have been maintaining and explaining such situations as new and anonymous editors add or remove these destinations. We've removed anything passing through Beijing (PEK) as domestic and international flights are completely separated into different terminals, meaning both the aircraft and passengers have to move. We've allowed or added these flights passing through Shanghai-Pudong (PVG) because there is no terminal or even gate separation as domestic and international passengers simply board from or disembark into different floors for different procedures.
The latest edit war (see edit history of SFO and my talk page) involves what I believe to be one US, possibly Southern California-based anonymous editor using a different IP every time. This editor reasons that the flights aren't truly direct because (1) may not be the same aircraft everyday, (2) passengers go through customs and immigration, (3) less than 5% of passengers continue the flight, and (4) these continuations are just second-tier municipal government subsidizing airlines to use big aircraft so they can boast international flights.
However, according to our past practice:
SFO is due to be unprotected from administrators (currently locked to the IP's version, not mine) on November 28. I'd like to solicit some opinions and support. HkCaGu ( talk) 20:23, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
Jetstar/Qantas also have some cases of domestic "tag" flights departing/arriving from international terminals which generally continue and/or originate from international destinations (eg QF8 DFW-BNE-SYD) Passengers continuing to end destination does not clear customs until they land at end destination. They are also generally the same aircraft, at the international terminal, at the same gate area, complete with full domestic pick-up rights as home cariers (hence why QF/JQ domestic destinations are sometimes listed in the "International" section of Australian airport pages.
At the stop-over location (eg JQ4 HNL-SYD-MEL), they however, reclear security at the stopover port (in this example SYD) before re-entering the gate area at the international terminal/gates. Sb617 ( Talk) 08:24, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
As far as I know, Chinese carriers from the US/Europe/Middle East to destinations beyond China via major Chinese city hubs are not timetable direct. The flight numbers and aircraft are stable enough to qualify listing. However, if a flight requires a stop at Beijing (PEK) should definitely be excluded because domestic and international flights are in different terminals at the airport. Also, flights that pass through Chengdu should be excluded as domestic and international flights at that airport are in separate terminals as well. Regarding PVG, do passengers going from SFO-PVG-TAO, SFO-PVG-WUH, and LAX-PVG CKG (China Eastern) pass through customs and immigration in PVG or the final destination? Also, doesn't Chinese airlines offer free meals on domestic segments/flights? 68.119.73.36 ( talk) 06:07, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
A few airport articles have had 'destination maps' creep in. There is no mention of them in the guide, so what is the project consensus on these? For example this seems cluttered, outside the resolution of my screen, difficult to update and a bit travel guide. Any thoughts? SempreVolando ( talk) 17:36, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
A few days ago Infobox Military structure merged with Infobox Test Site & parameters from Infobox airport to create Template:Infobox military installation, within articles which still have the infobox military structure on them, the co-ordinates are extremely likely to disappear on the normal "Read" view however the co-ordinates will remain viewable from the edit view. Military structure articles which are airports will be updated first but this will take time, if see any other problems can you please post them under this post please? Thank you. Gavbadger ( talk) 20:45, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
A transgendered woman was allegedly abused by Hong Kong customs and/or immigration in November 2013. It didn't make the news media, local or abroad, in any manner close to universal. No social impacts, no follow up news reports whatsoever.
Two months later, someone decided it was an "incident" worth adding to Hong Kong International Airport, and when reverted (and WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT explained), a six-year, less-than-250-edit editor with no edits since late November 2012 reacted at Talk:Hong Kong International Airport and declared, "if we need some people from LGBT portal in Wikipedia coming here to show what an incident is an incident, we will bring them, there is not space for discrimination in Wikipedia." HkCaGu ( talk) 07:29, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Although a requested move discussion has not taken place, there has been protracted edit warring on Sultan Aji Muhamad Sulaiman Airport about the name of the airport. As the administrator who protected the page, I'm advising members of this project to provide any assistance and advice they can. Thank you. — C.Fred ( talk) 18:57, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
I notice that someone has added that Iran Air operates flights from Tehran Mehrabad Airport to Tehran Imam Khoemeini Airport on their respective articles. I mean is it possible to fly between just 2 airports in the same city or could it just be a bus service that Iran Air provides between the 2 airports. Rzxz1980 ( talk) 19:55, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Started an RfC on the use of bold in the template at Template talk:Airport codes#RfC: Should the codes be in bold by default?. CambridgeBayWeather ( talk) 21:05, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
I don't know if anyone has seen this discussion but my thought is still the same. However, I am seeing some improvements. I mean, I am seeing that people are citing sources for some destination lists on airport articles. Unfortunately, there are still plenty of destination lists without sources or at least the {{fact}} template. When I patrol Recent Changes to fight vandalism, I do notice some IP addresses edit airport articles and add and/or remove destinations without an edit summary. Therefore, I cannot tell whether it is a legitimate edit or vandalism. NHRHS2010 RIP M.H. (1994-2014) 01:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
I just totally removed [1] it from the article. Why I did this I addressed at the article's talk page but I'll do it here too.
Much of this was trivial happenings, but some like the 2011 bomb could be put in the article's history section if a reference can be found for it. MH 370 is the only removal that could be called controversial but this plane accident took place somewhere other than KL. ...William 03:47, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
While I'm not sure we need these, I was just looking at one after the cleanup for the regional carriers in the destinations list. These tables don't list the regionals in there. That begs the question of what does this mean to the average reader? Are the regionals included in the mainline numbers? I believe that is the case, but the table does not make this clear. So should it? Also the table lists the 'Top Carriers' in each market, but my limited experience is that it lists all of the carriers in each market. So are changes needed? Of the better question, which I think was asked before, do we need these tables? I think the source for this data, for the numbers at least, is the site linked and all we do is added the airlines. I think the government site is actually more informative and would rather provide a link there. Any comments? Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:16, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
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Dallas Love Field's airline and destinations section has a messed up citation. It now looks like Delta Connection serves all the destinations and Southwest serves none. Please fix. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.118.54 ( talk) 22:50, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I think it's worth taking a look at this thread, where a reliable third-party source came in contradiction with an official press release. I followed the standard WP:VERIFY protocol of providing a third-party reliable source only to find that I was wrong. Thanks.-- Jetstreamer Talk 18:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Hello. I invite you to take a look at these contributions, where the unsourced addition of start/end dates is just an example of a pattern that has been increasingly spreading across almost all airport articles and is a blatant violation to WP:VERIFY, which is a basic policy. I'd like to draw your attention to this and also to know the way to stop this behaviour. Any comments?-- Jetstreamer Talk 22:12, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Per this article on SG's website, BKK is listed as an SG destination out of BLR and vice versa. But none of the flight booking websites list SG as an airline from BLR to BKK. Even on SG website, BKK is just not listed in the drop down menu. So this does mean that this route is scrapped right? — Abhishek Talk 07:49, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
Hello, I'm a novice editor and could use some advise. Some one keeps reverting the edits for the Columbia Gorge Regional Airport article. Any ideas on dealing with someone like this? Thanks, Trashbag ( talk) 17:00, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
The IP at 128.32.104.164 is at it again. I'm 100% sure that it is actually User:Tim Zukas. Here's why.
Tim has repeatedly added external links to a Flickr account containing scans of vintage airport diagrams. He did such in the history section of various airports as a direct external link. That goes against the external link guidelines, so I removed a few, including the one for JFK. He re-added that one, indignantly demanding to be pointed out the rule, which I did both in my edit summary and a note on his talk page, where I said it should go in the external links section.
The very next edit saw the 128 IP do just that. Following up to makes sure that others were similarly fixed, I noted a pattern of behavior among the IP, the registered Tim account (for which he has been in trouble before), and the other IPs mentioned here and in the previous thread HkCaGu refers to. Notably, the 128 IP was one of the IPs involved in the edit war that lead to the block of 75.16.27.73.
So was 173.164.133.26, which has specifically been used by Tim to answer a note on his own talk page. So it seems that this editor, who has been warned about this exact sort of editing before, is editing logged out to cover his tracks.
This is a major accusation, I know, but I wouldn't make it unless a) the evidence was so solid and b) the behavior wasn't so problematic, including edit warring, sock puppetry, and editing against consensus and guidelines. oknazevad ( talk) 19:24, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
User:128.32.104.164 is back today with two edits. Reporting to AIV. HkCaGu ( talk) 22:14, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Is there a convention for showing in destination tables routes that are ended temporarily, but not on a regular basis? Example: this adjustment on Southwest's ECP-BWI route. I'm sure there are other examples. Listroiderbob talk edits more 03:36, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Dear airport experts: Here's an old Afc submission that will soon be deleted as a stale draft. Should it be kept and improved instead? Or is this information already covered in another article? — Anne Delong ( talk) 15:54, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Just reverted the addition of some very large destination maps in Düsseldorf Airport, not sure even when collapsed they add to the article have these been discussed before ? MilborneOne ( talk) 14:48, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
I've made a few WP:BOLD changes, based on what I believe to be WP:COMMONSENSE, in the categorisation tree for airports. I figured I'd drop a note here before moving further with renames, instead of just shuffling the tree. Specifically, originally, the tree went:
This looked a little odd to me, and upon looking things up, I found that Airfield redirects to Aerodrome. (Which means that, technically, an argument could be made for Category:Airfields to be renamed to Category:Aerodromes, but that's another kettle o' fish.) And airports are types of aerodromes/airfields. As the article says, "all airports are aerodromes, not all aerodromes are airports." So I reorganised the tree to:
Which is much more logical, as an airport is a type of airfield. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:07, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
I notice that quite a few articles on Brazilian airports are now out of date due to construction related to the soccer World Cup and the 2016 Olympics. Just wondering if there was any interest in working to improve these articles. Hack ( talk) 08:52, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
There has been a dispute on certain European low-cost carriers that are not "Hub-and-spoke" carriers (they don't have "hubs" but rather "bases") but one user instead has designated them as "focus cities". Any suggestions on how to resolve this. Thanks! Rzxz1980 ( talk) 18:32, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Correction: The issue here is the term "focus city" and does it refer to all carriers or only the carriers that operate a "hub and spoke" system.
Rzxz1980 (
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I always thought
focus cities were bases where airlines have many point to point flights to places that are not their hubs?
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This appears to be an East African Airlines but I'm not sure if it wouldn't qualify as a "private charter" airline in which case it shouldn't have its destinations included on Wikipedia's airport pages. Also the pages that exist seem to list many destinations which I believe involve a plane change or a stop-over. Does anyone have any thoughts on what to do with this airline? Here's their webpage with schedule ( http://www.coastal.co.tz/pdf/Coastal_Schedule_2014_issued_20140306.pdf) and descriptions ( http://www.coastal.co.tz/pdf/Coastal_Flights_Description_2014.pdf) of their flights: http://www.coastal.co.tz/flights/scheduled-flights/ Cheers Monopoly31121993 ( talk) 14:24, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia editing but I've started a project to update the airport pages for Africa. It's been going well but I've run into a few problems and I have some questions I'm hoping members of this group can answer: 1) What is a destination? Is it only a list of DIRECT flight locations or does it include destinations that include stop-overs but not changing planes? 2) If the answer to this first question is that destinations via a stop-over can be include then how about if it involves two or even three stop-overs but no deplaning ? I ask this because in Africa some airlines fly routes that go A to B to C to D to E and then back to A. So should E be listed as a destination for D, C, B, and A? 3) Lastly, what if the airport only receives flights from a destination but does not fly there (for example, A receives flights from B but only flies to C directly from A). Thanks, I hope there are already some rules for this kind of thing. Cheers! Monopoly31121993 ( talk) 14:49, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
I recently edited the Los Angeles International Airport and John F. Kennedy International Airport articles to add each other as destinations for Qantas. QF107 operates SYD-LAX-JFK on a 747, QF108 is JFK-LAX-SYD. Qantas does not have cabotage (specifically, 8th freedom) rights for the domestic LAX-JFK segment, meaning they can't sell solely domestic itineraries. However, they can carry passengers on that segment that connect with other Qantas flights (at LAX). I don't know if Qantas can also connect their passengers between code-share flights to/from LAX operated by another airline with the Qantas LAX-JFK flight (if Qantas sells the itinerary). Wikipedia:WikiProject Airports/page content#Body lists criteria for the airlines/destinations table:
List non-stop and direct flights only. That means the flight number and the aircraft, starts at this airport and continues to one or more airports. Avoid using the description 'via' since that is more correctly listed as another destination. If passengers can not disembark at a stop on a direct flight, then do not list it as a destination or as 'via'. Direct flights are not always non-stop flights. However, avoid listing direct flights that contain a stop at a domestic hub, as virtually all of these are simply flights from one "spoke city" to a hub, with the plane continuing from the hub to a second spoke city. Furthermore, these flights often involve plane changes, despite the direct designation. Including these flights dramatically increases the length of destination listings, artificially inflates the airline's presence at a location and requires constant updating, as these "timetable direct" destinations have little rhyme or reason and may change as often as every week or two.
Per the above quoted policy, NY-JFK is a Qantas destination from LAX (and vice versa) as: 1)the same aircraft/flight number is used, 2) passengers can embark/disembark, and 3) it's not a "hub" where the aircraft is often changed and/or there is a (nearly) complete turnover of passengers. There's just the caveat that the flight can't carry passengers solely between LAX-JFK. I edited both articles ( LAX & JFK) to reflect this after starting discussion at Talk:Los Angeles International Airport#Qantas JFK "destination". However, both edits were soon reverted as "vandalism", despite the fact that my edits were made according to policy and there was no prior consensus to not list JFK as a Qantas destination from LAX & LAX as a Qantas destination from JFK.
I tried searching the internet for examples of other flights like QF107/108 that are operated despite lack of cabotage rights and could not find any examples to see how they are handled on WP. I think they should be listed since passengers can embark/disembark to connect to different flights (just different international flights on the same airline), just as long as there's an endnote to the table mentioning the lack of 8th freedom rights on the route. AHeneen ( talk) 20:21, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Mainline Carriers in the United States (Delta/United/US Airways (American) outsource much of their flying to regional affiliates, which we display on Airlines/Destination tables. However, the regional carriers that are operating the routes can often change very frequently and without notice, thus leaving the airline/destination tables inaccurate. For example, if Delta Connection flies from Hartford (BDL) to Cincinnati (CVG) using ExpressJet and Compass Airlines, but then decides that they want to start using Endeavor Air instead, it's likely the table won't get updated for some time because the change isn't significant. Regional Carriers often start and stop different routes all the time, and constant updates to the table just aren't practical. In addition, having six different regional carriers operating for one airline looks a bit messy (and confusing for people who aren't as familiar with aviation as we are).
The first table below is an excerpt from Hartford (BDL)'s airline/destination table for Delta Airlines. You will notice DL uses 5 regional airlines at BDL, in addition to their mainline service. In addition, you will see that Chautauqua airline's is stopping BDL - CVG service on May 1. However, this service continues to operate as normal as other carriers (Endeavor Air) are still operating the flight. To the passenger, no change will be noticed.
The second table shows a modified version of this table, with the carriers operating the flight under the Delta Connection brand are not shown. It looks much cleaner and far easier to read for someone that doesn't know as much about aviation as we do here. In addition, it allows us to avoid having to update the tables every time a flight switches hands between a regional carrier. I don't see a practical purpose to listing all the regional airlines. If one is curious, they can click on the Delta Connection link and view all the carriers that operate as DL connection.
Airlines | Destinations | Concourse(s) |
---|---|---|
Delta Air Lines |
Atlanta,
Detroit,
Minneapolis/St. Paul Seasonal: Cancún | East, IAB |
Delta Connection operated by Chautauqua Airlines | Cincinnati (ends May 1, 2014), Raleigh/Durham | East |
Delta Connection operated by Compass Airlines | Seasonal: Detroit, Minneapolis/St. Paul | East |
Delta Connection operated by ExpressJet |
Cleveland (begins June 5, 2014),
Detroit,
Orlando,
Raleigh/Durham Seasonal: Atlanta | East |
Delta Connection operated by Endeavor Air |
Cincinnati,
Raleigh/Durham Seasonal: Minneapolis/St.Paul | East |
Delta Connection operated by GoJet Airlines | Seasonal: Detroit | East |
Airlines | Destinations | Concourse(s) |
---|---|---|
Delta Air Lines |
Atlanta,
Detroit,
Minneapolis/St. Paul Seasonal: Cancún | East, IAB |
Delta Connection |
Cincinnati,
Cleveland (begins June 5, 2014),
Detroit,
Minneapolis/St. Paul,
Orlando,
Raleigh/Durham Seasonal: Atlanta | East |
Please provide feedback! Is implementation of this practical? The regional airlines are always changing so this would allow us to keep the airline/destination tables looking neat. Most regional flying has a brand (Delta Connection/US Airways Express/United Express/Air Canada Express, etc). Some don't -- for example, Alaska Airlines does not have a 'Alaska Express or Connection' brand, so AS's regional carrier, Horizon Air, would still appear on the table as 'Alaska Airlines operated by Horizon Air. Thoughts? Tofutwitch11 (TALK) 01:40, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Airlines | Destinations | Concourse(s) |
---|---|---|
Delta Air Lines |
Atlanta,
Detroit,
Minneapolis/St. Paul Seasonal: Cancún | East, IAB |
Delta Connection operated by
Chautauqua Airlines, Compass Airlines, ExpressJet, Endeavor Air, and GoJet Airlines |
Cincinnati,
Cleveland (begins June 5, 2014),
Detroit,
Minneapolis/St. Paul,
Orlando,
Raleigh/Durham Seasonal: Atlanta | East |
Are we doing this for just US carriers only or does this apply to all worldwide regional carriers dba as mainline (i.e. Lufthansa Regional, Etihad Regional, KLMCityHopper, etc.)? Rzxz1980 ( talk) 02:08, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
How does everyone feel this is going so far? I think it's working out well. Thoughts? Tofutwitch11 (TALK) 01:50, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
I firmly believe this entire effort is a terrible idea, and completely detrimental to the usefulness of the destination section of the articles. Regional airline routes are updated by interested users with knowledge of the changes, such as myself. Treating "Delta Connection" or "United Express" as airlines themselves provides readers with misinformation that is more problematic than what we had before. ( CLCadiz ( talk) 07:25, 11 April 2014 (UTC))
I disagree. First, these "brands" are displayed under the "airlines" column of the table. Therefore, they are being classified as standalone airlines with actual operating certificates, which is clearly an incorrect categorization by association.
Secondly, you also mentioned that an interested reader could click on the regional "brand" name in order to find out the route details, should they chose. Unfortunately, this is simply not adequate. Clicking on the regional "brand" takes you to an article which lists the regional airlines flying under that "brand." Clicking on one of those airlines takes you to that regional airline's page. On that page, there may be another link to "XYZ Airlines Destinations." Clicking that link takes you to a page which simply lists destinations. This does not provide any valuable information on route structure, nor does it indicate which destinations are served from a certain airport. It also rarely separates destinations by "brand," for the larger regionals with many major airline contracts (ExpressJet, Etc.) This means that all the destinations are lumped together in an unusable list. This is not a replacement for the airport-specific route information that we have had.
You also mention that most people are not familiar with regional airline carriers. I find this to increasingly not be the case. As you know, the law now requires airlines to disclose if a regional carrier will be operating a route. This alone has increased awareness of their existence. Furthermore, in recent days, major news outlets have reported on an "Airline Quality" study which listed airlines such as Endeavor, ExpressJet, SkyWest, and American Eagle. These names (and their roles) have become more prevalent, and I do not believe that omitting them from the airport page is productive. Regional airlines account for more than 50% of scheduled airline service in the United States. By only referring to the codeshare "brands," we are ignoring the fundamental mechanism by which the US air travel system works.
I also submit that "operated by" lines are not messy nor confusing. On the contrary, they provide a clear reference as to the routes operated by a certain carrier. The route structure can sometimes be complex, but that does not mean we should be dumbing down these articles. Wikipedia contributors should be striving to maintain accuracy and not to commit to destroying good information for the sake of simplicity. The vast majority of airline-serviced airports in the United States are smaller Class C and Class D facilities with a very small number of regional destinations. The regional routes from these locations are manageable and have, in fact, been largely correct. Especially at these locations, which account for most of the airports, the route and operator volatility that you refer to is greatly overstated. The accuracy of these routes can be easily verified by cross-checking the recent flights on tracking services that monitor filed IFR flights, such as Flightaware. The regional airline's official route map can also often be used. For most of these airports, it would take a mere minute or two to verify route information currency.
The difficulty mainly arises with larger class B airports that serve as major hubs for the regional networks. This poses a challenge, but can be effectively managed by a coordinated division of responsibilities. A major airport's regional route structure can be updated and verified in 15 minutes. I believe that it is completely reasonable to enact a system in which these routes are validated at a regular monthly interval. A "Regional Route Team" should be created, where each person updates the ~5 major airports under their area of responsibility. I volunteer myself to prove that this can be done. It would be a terrible shame to destroy largely accurate information for the purpose of streamlining and expediency, especially when doing so does not accurately portray the US commercial aviation network. I strongly suggest moving forward with a trial to demonstrate viability. ( CLCadiz ( talk) 00:22, 12 April 2014 (UTC))
Well this grinds my gears a bit. I rarely ever comment on here but I had to. This is a lousy change. I'm far from an aviation expert but I'm not ignorant about those commuter airlines masquerading as US Air and so forth. Ton of them out here in Phoenix, and I travel regularly so I like to check the Phoenix airport wikipedia to see which ones fly where before I try to book. (had a bad experience with one so I like to know because it effects which airline I choose) Now it's a real pain and I can't find that info. It was so clear before. I don't get it????! - Kent H. ( 108.170.1.2 ( talk) 05:02, 14 April 2014 (UTC))
How should we word this change on the WP:AIRPOTS/page content page? Tofutwitch11 (TALK) 01:39, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
The bulletted format would be ideal:
Airlines | Destinations | Concourse(s) |
---|---|---|
Delta Air Lines |
Atlanta,
Detroit,
Minneapolis/St. Paul Seasonal: Cancún | East, IAB |
Delta Connection operated by: |
Cincinnati,
Cleveland (begins June 5, 2014),
Detroit,
Minneapolis/St. Paul,
Orlando,
Raleigh/Durham Seasonal: Atlanta | East |
-- 71.135.174.99 ( talk) 18:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I was working on the DAL page and I looking through it, I was just thinking that it looks rather bulky and even a little confusing when all of the dates are in the Airline/Destination chart. I thought of using notes rather than writing it in the chart. What do you guys think? I think it would just make it a little cleaner.
Note: This is from the DAL page but I've removed and changed some of it for this example.
Airlines | Destinations | Terminal |
---|---|---|
Delta Connection | Atlanta, 1 Detroit, 2 Los Angeles, 2 Minneapolis/St. Paul 2 [1] | 1 |
Southwest Airlines | Albuquerque, Amarillo, Atlanta, 4 Austin, Baltimore, 2 Lubbock, Midland/Odessa | 2 |
Virgin America | Los Angeles, 2 New York-LaGuardia, 3 San Francisco 2 [2] | 2 |
Aviationspecialist101 ( talk) 19:37, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
I posted this to a user that misposted or vandalized the Washington-Dulles destinations section:
Hi. When should American Airlines and US Airways be merged into one cell in the airlines and destinations tables? They are in the process of changing US Airways liveries into AA ones. [6] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eightnine2 ( talk • contribs) 08:58, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
Can anyone take a look at this page? An IP (a possible suspected sockpuppet of Jakedn135 who kept constantly removing start/end dates that have not occurred yet) keeps insisting that UA Express has vacated Concourse D at the airport (the source provided states that they will leave Concourse D on June 5, 2014 and the airport's official website still shows UA still at Concourse D). Also, a lot of the UA Express destinations that were listed to end in June supposedly ended May 30, 2014 (but I have reinstated them). If UA did end those destinations on May 30, 2014, then United would've de-hubbed CLE on May 30, 2014 instead of June 5, 2014. Thanks! 68.119.73.36 ( talk) 04:20, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
Does anyone know what is the actually city name for Bangalore/Bengaluru should we put in the destination lists? I know a couple of Indian airports pages lists the destination as "Bengaluru" (I believe that is the official name) and "Banglore" is the common name for the city. Thanks! 68.119.73.36 ( talk) 04:14, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
Users user:Fnlayson and user:BilCat have been edit warring with me over my strikeout text of Boeing 737 orders, in which the total orders do not add to the sum of all individual orders. Clearly the figure is wrong, so strikeout text should be shown. 66.87.119.254 ( talk) 16:55, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
I am just curious why we call DCA Washington-National rather than Washington-Reagan? We do New York-JFK rather than New York-International, we call ORD Chicago-O'Hare, LGA New York-LaGuardia, MDW Chicago-Midway, IAD Washington-Dulles. The airport's name is Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport. National is used as International is in other airport names. Reagan is the same as Midway, Dulles, O'Hare and others. If it is political and some here don't like him, I don't think that is a valid reason to not call it Washington-Reagan. I am interested to know. Thank you. Aviationspecialist101 ( talk) 01:38, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
What name does most people refer to the airport as? 68.119.73.36 ( talk) 02:00, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
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Can someone please take a look at these two articles? IPs keep modifying the Air Canada services as if they were year round. An airline 's press release confirms the start of scheduled services, but only after 26 October. Thanks.-- Jetstreamer Talk 20:20, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I am seeing many IPs and editors listing the US Airways flights at European airports as "American Airlines operated by US Airways". Do we start designating these flights when SOC is achieved? Some have been reverted. 46.140.101.190 ( talk) 15:34, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
There seem to be a lot of charter airlines listed in destinations sections that are not labeled as charters. Just to give one example, look at Punta Cana International Airport. At least half of the airlines there are charters but it doesn't say that. Was there some new rule about this that allowed them to remove that charter label? Thanks Monopoly31121993 ( talk) 17:22, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the media copyright questions page about whether the airport aerial images listed there are screenshots, and therefore quite possibly copyright violations, or are they actual photos the uplaoder has freely released. Any and all comments appreciated. ww2censor ( talk) 14:55, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
Dear airport experts: Nobody is working on this old AfC submission. Is this a notable topic, and should it be kept and improved instead of being deleted as a stale draft? — Anne Delong ( talk) 22:31, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Just saying. Please chime in with your input. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.119.110 ( talk) 00:49, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Some one keeps removing Air India Regional charter service to Car Nicobar Air Force Base for Andaman and Nicobar Islands Administration, the edit has reference with all valid detailed information attached and a valid launch date, and note added i.e operated for the said admin. but this person keeps finding some reason to delete it. The service will use Air India Regional branded aircraf, AIR crews and flight code CD too. 175.110.222.144 ( talk) 16:34, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
I have removed MH17 a number of times from Amsterdam Airport Schiphol as as far as I know Ukraine is nowhere need Amsterdam, as is normal the accident or incident needs to be at or close to the airport, it has been raised on the talk page but that is not helping. MilborneOne ( talk) 17:03, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Please note that I've reverted all the edits made by JPark99 ( talk · contribs) where the dash was replaced with an ndash for multi-airport cities. To the best of my knowledge there is no consensus for these changes, and this is also reflected in WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT.-- Jetstreamer Talk 18:02, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
To the best of my knowledge, JFK, LAX, MIA, IAH, and many other major airport pages already used an ndash for multiple airport cities long before my edits. It seems like a very nice way to stylistically and neatly differentiate between multiple airport cities and cities whose names include dashes. I made those minor edits in a goodwill effort to try and improve wikipedia. Example : London—Heathrow (multiple airport city) Port-au-Prince (city whose name uses dashes)
Along with reverting all of the work that I did, I hope that Jetstreamer ( talk · contribs) will also check all other airport pages and ensure that there are no ndashes being used where they shouldn't be, as many airport pages are styled this way, edited by users other than myself. I didn't realize that this would be a controversial issue. JPark99 ( talk) 22:25, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
I have proposed moving City Airport & Heliport to City Airport (Manchester Barton). Please see Talk:City Airport & Heliport. Simply south .... .. sitting on fans for just 8 years 20:56, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
There is an IP that is being very disruptive at the Dusseldorf Airport page regarding sources for seasonal services. There are two sources that say the EXACT same thing for AA's seasonal service here. Also, should sources go before or after the destination? Also the IP is calling the edits "vandalism". Please help! 71.12.206.168 ( talk) 06:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Articles of airports with flights to Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah Airport (Kuala Lumpur's previous main airport) have become like the Gaza Strip in the last few weeks with an intense edit war between User:Tafeax and a roaming IP user from Singapore, with each calling the other vandal (in edit summaries) and going far beyond 3RR with no talk page discussions whatsoever.
What can we do? What do we say on this issue?
Hello. I have proposed a merge from Cavern airfield to Aircraft cavern, but I am getting resistance from the author who is not prepared to discuss the issue. Can someone else have a look and chuck their Ha'porth in.-- Petebutt ( talk) 04:32, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
If any editor has time to take a look at this page regarding AA service at this airport. The airline originally launch this destination as a year-round destination but it has been converted to summer seasonal now. The dispute is that where do we place the source for such a change (after the seasonal note or after the destination itself?) Thanks! Rzxz1980 ( talk) 05:11, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedians, Wiki-meteorologists and Wiki-geologists,
Last year, a pair of OAK's runways were quietly relabeled due to changes in Earth's magnetic north: KQED science article
I can't imagine this phenomenon only impacted OAK. I am asking y'all if runway information for all other North American airports have been updated, since this was an FAA-mandated change.
71.135.174.99 ( talk) 14:56, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
Should there be a different template for air traffic topics? There will be lots going on in the next decades in this area. ILS and other features of the airport environment are within the scope of the airports project, but the airports template really only facilitates adding an entry for an airport. For instance the paragraph on FAROS in the PAPI entry is good but it needs to have its own. Altaphon ( talk) 16:02, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Please create the following article: Boeing Long Beach Factory. It should follow the format of Boeing Renton Factory. Thanks you. 71.135.174.99 ( talk) 00:53, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
If an airline flies non-stop/direct to Airport A from Airport B (passengers can board, not a refueling stop or hub) but does not fly non-stop from Airport A to Airport B, is Airport B considered a "destination" for the Airport A article? Simplified, an airline flies A-B-C-A (B & C follow guidelines, ie. not refueling stops, no cabotage issues), is B a "destination" on the C airport article? AHeneen ( talk) 17:50, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Bit of a disagreement at Julius Nyerere International Airport on the need to have destinations referenced, appreciate if anybody can have a look at it, thanks. MilborneOne ( talk) 10:47, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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Southwest Airlines's route from HOU to SJU is a summer seasonal service and it has been listed under the seasonal destination. However, a user constantly continues to add the resumption date to route which is scheduled to resume March 7, 2015 (the route operated this past summer, is being suspended for the winter, then resuming again next summer) as WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT (bullet #8) specifically states not to add begin/end dates for seasonal service. Can someone help??? 71.12.206.168 ( talk) 17:12, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
I've just come across Poznań–Ławica Airport. Shouldn't this endash actually be a hyphen? The airport serves Poznań and is located in the Poznań district of Ławica. If I understand correctly, endash is only used where an airport is named for two or more distinct cities that it serves. Colonies Chris ( talk) 13:54, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm seeing a lot of pages that have "seasonal charters" listed as part of the destinations list. It seems to me that the only time charters should be listed on the page is if they are under a separate section titled Charters. This page says "Do not include ad-hoc, irregular or private charter services." Monopoly31121993 ( talk) 17:56, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
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