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Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 18:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Where is this topic covered in the Wikiproject Abortion? For example, discussion of abortion clinics or abortionists who fail to follow laws, ethical codes or proper procedures? 84.146.233.113
Although it might make sense to retitle Category:Abortion by country to Category:Abortion by region, given the regional subcategories, "...by country" is the naming convention recommended by WP:NCCAT. It also isn't necessary to sort an article into both Category:Abortion by country and one of its subcategories, because, if it's listed in a subcategory of Abortion by country, then it's already listed in Abortion by country. Articles are only listed in two subcategories of Category:Abortion at the same time if two completely different categories apply to the same topic (for example, Richard Starkie in both Category:Abortion in the United Kingdom and Category:Abortion providers, or LifeNews.com in both Category:Pro-life organizations in the United States and Category:Abortion in media). Thanks. - Severa ( !!!) 23:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there an established protocol for the kinds of pages which should be sorted into Category:WikiProject Abortion articles? Can images, categories, and templates be included, or are such categories strictly limited to encyclopedia articles (e.g. Abortion, Pro-life, Planned Parenthood, etc.)? If you look at other WikiProjects, some, such as WikiProject Novels, have "articles" categories which include non-article content, while others do not. Also, should non-article class categories ( Template, Category, and Non-article) be sorted as subcategories of Category:Abortion articles by quality, or Category:WikiProject Abortion articles? - Severa ( !!!) 04:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
This has been a long time coming, but I'm formally leaving WP:Abortion. There just isn't the slightest morsel of time anymore. Even here, while I'm on break, I'm barely able to scratch out enough time to leave a paragraph-long goodbye message. Thanks to everyone in this project; although I've seen eye-to-eye with exactly no one, I respect all of you, and my fondest and strongest memories of Wikipedia are of working on this project. Perhaps someday I shall return. Good luck to the project. -- BCSWowbagger 18:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Should this WikiProject perhaps have its own Manual of Style, as in the case of Manual of Style (Islam-related articles), Manual of Style (Ireland-related articles), or Manual of Style (medicine-related articles)? We could use our own MoS to formally outline conventions in terminology which already have precedent throughout the project, such as "pro-life"/"pro-choice" over "anti-abortion"/"pro-abortion", and so forth. I'm not really sure if there's a formal process to creating a specialized MoS, but, it seems like a good idea. Let me know what you think. - Severa ( !!!) 08:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Roe v. Wade is up for Feature Article Review. Please feel free to drop by if you would like to comment. Thank you! - Severa ( !!!)
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Abortion-related violence has a small dispute, and I do not want it to be just between me and the other editor, so I am asking members of this project to review the dispute and comment either way. For the most part, it involves sourcing and what is verifiable, reliable, and notable (i.e. a college newspaper, and lifesite.net).- Andrew c 15:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
User:Severa approached me re developing an infobox for abortion. Following brief discussion on what this might entail on my talk page, I have now added a draft version to Wikipedia:List of infoboxes/Proposed at Wikipedia:List of infoboxes/Proposed/Infobox Abortion. Discussion on the proposal should be helpd at Wikipedia talk:List of infoboxes/Proposed/Infobox Abortion.
Obvious point is that this applies only to induced abortions (i.e. deliberate terminations) rather than spontaneous abortions (miscarriages) (e.g. complete miscarriage, incomplete miscariage, threatened miscariage David Ruben Talk 03:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
A definition concern was raised by an anonymous poster whose wife had a D&E to complete a miscarriage. Trying to find more information on how the term is defined, I just became more confused. I'm hoping others can provide more insight to the discussion Talk:Dilation and evacuation#A bit of a problem. Lyrl Talk C 16:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Please see Category talk:Methods of abortion for a new proposed organizational hierarchy. Comments would be appreciated. - Severa ( !!!) 19:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I've been informed there are "too many articles in general Abortion cat", while I don't think that is remotely the case I could suggest some sub cats. "Abortion in society" or "Abortion debate" category could take 3-4 articles, I'll be bold and do it, moving ABC to that cat as well. But I'd reiterate 17/18 articles in the main cat weren't that many to begin with. - Roy Boy 800 00:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I gather from a brief browse through the Wikiquote Abortion page that it is something of a no man's land. I believe that this page could benefit from a little attention and an even hand. Would anyone be willing to review this page to ensure that the selected quotations are relevant and that it reflects the same standards of notability and neutrality expected here on Wikipedia? - Severa ( !!!) 12:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I recently placed an RFC regarding terminology regarding the organism/child which develops in the womb. The request does not spring from a particular lack of consensus, but from the desire for discussion regarding the basic need to have a single NPOV term which seems to be lacking. Please take a moment to make your suggestions, the discussion is at the Talk:Abortion_debate.— Red Baron 16:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that there are now enough articles in Category:Abortion providers, Category:Pro-life activists, Category:Pro-choice activists, and Category:Abortion-related violence to warrant the creation of a biographical stub tag? I am beginning to wonder if "This abortion-related article is a stub" is a bit of an awkward fit when applied to an article about a person. "This biographical article related to abortion is a stub" would seem a more suitable description. - Severa ( !!!) 08:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
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Just wanted to alert members of the project of Colorado Right to Life. At first glace, it seems to be a bit too detailed/verbose for an encyclopedia entry, and of course needs sources. Just wanted to see if anyone wanted to give the article a once over.- Andrew c [talk] 22:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I've just converted Image:USMinorAbortionLawsMap.png to svg but I couldn't make out what colour D.C. had. If anyone knows can you please drop a line here or on my talk page or on the image talk page. The same goes for Image:USMandatoryWaitingPeriodLaws.png although I haven't converted that one yet. / Lokal _ Profil 19:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Members of this project may be interested in this AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Student LifeNet (3rd nomination). -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 18:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
I would be interested in creating the following articles: Abortion in China, Abortion in Japan, Abortion in Indonesia, Abortion in Singapore, and Abortion in Thailand. However, I need sources/references. If somebody could list some references or sources for me to use for the articles, I would gladly create the articles. Thanks! -- Grrrlriot ( talk) 22:43, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
The following categories seem to cover the same thing:
For Project-related subcategories, I suggest deleting two of the above categories and forming the following hierarchy:
-- GregManninLB ( talk) 00:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Merging the activities of this project into a task force on reproductive medicine has been suggested. Please comment in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine/Task forces#Reproductive medicine. Lyrl Talk C 21:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
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Someone has put a note in at Family Planning Association saying that they shared a headquarters with a eugenics association in the 1930s. Do any of you have an opinion as to whether this is notable? I'd have thought sharing a building was hardly a big deal, and even if it was I think anyone interested in social welfare was interested in eugenics in the 1930s, and it sounds like a way to smear the modern organisation. We don't go around making as much of a deal that the Royal Society started out by talking about alchemy. The Wednesday Island ( talk) 12:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
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Why is Germany in map not in blue ? Here in Germany abortion is legal on request. I live in Germany and women have the right to have an abortion on request. GLGermann ( talk) 23:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
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Pro-death is not the same as pro-choice, Pro-choice advocates are people who believe in the choice of having an abortion and the choice of having a child. Pro-death advocates, although scarce, are people in support of the death penalty and other means of ending life. The Squicks ( talk) 23:43, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
It now gose to Abortion debate. 24.252.84.238 ( talk) 00:53, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
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I'm asking for some input over at the talk page for the Murder of George Tiller article. The article was originally "Murder of George Tiller", but was changed to "Assassination of George Tiller" a few months ago. Recently, a user changed it back to "Murder", which has led to a debate between that user and myself over which title is most appropriate. The two of us have debated the issue at the talk page, but so far we're the only ones to participate in the discussion, so I'd appreciate it if anybody would like to visit there and provide their own feedback. I'd like to establish some sort of consensus one way or the other... — Hunter Kahn ( c) 02:20, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
I am one of the people who has made an effort to ensure WP:NPOV by using the term "pregnant woman" when referring to women who are pregnant and may or may not ever become mothers. While there does appear to be a consensus for this, there is also discussion in various venues. Rather than demanding that people bounce around article and editor talk pages to follow the thread of conversation, I'd like to centralize the discussion here, so that we don't have to repeat ourselves.
Briefly, my argument is that "mother" is neither accurate nor neutral, while "pregnant woman" is demonstrably both. As such, WP:NPOV requires us to avoid the former consistently. I recognize that this restriction of neutrality applies to Wikipedia, not to our sources, so we should expect to see "mother" pop up in some direct quotes, but that's not an argument for using it ourselves.
I welcome reasoned discussion regarding this topic, but have little interest in discussing my own personal views, as they are immaterial. CarolineWH ( talk) 20:58, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
(Outdent)Gays are not technically a collection of very happy people, they are homosexuals. The term gay, particularly in issues like gay-marriage is used in the common language, encoded in law and even used by opponents of gay-marriage so we say gay-marriage even though it is technically not gay-marriage. Assault weapons, in the American context, are not actually assault weapons, they are semi-automatic rifles with a magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds and a bayonet lug. The term assault rifle, particularly in issues like gun-control and assault weapons bans, is used in the common language, is encoded in law and even used by proponents of legalized assault weapons so we say assault weapons even though they are not technically assault weapons. Mothers, in the abortion context, may not technically be mothers. The term mother, particularly in the context of issues like health of the mother, life of the mother, wellbeing of the mother is used in the common language, is encoded in law and is even used by the most vigorous proponents of abortion. There is no more a POV issue here than there is with calling homosexual marriage gay-marriage or referring to a law which restricts rifles with a bayonet lug and a magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds an assault rifle. When our sources say mother, we should say mother. - Schrandit ( talk) 18:24, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have any references for their position? Caroline keeps talking about a "neutral" position, but has so far offered nothing but her own opinion. I do understand why using the term mother is unacceptable to a pro-choice advocate, but that is why it can so easily be identified as POV also. What is a fact is that mother is used regularly, if not more commonly, than "pregnant woman" in English today. Attempting to censor its use comes across as highly POV. Where are your references? - Storm Rider 22:00, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
(←) Coming to this cold, I am very puzzled. Is mother a loaded term in this context? I see it used all the time to refer to a pregnant female (human or otherwise), in all sorts of contexts, biological, medical, legal, sociological, popular press, serious journalism ... Where is the evidence that it is considered non-neutral, or that it is avoided, by "pro-choice" people? All I see here is one editor who doesn't like the word used in this context, for reasons that are abundantly unclear. If some evidence could be produced, that would help the debate! SNALWIBMA ( talk - contribs ) 14:43, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
The stereotypical American tourist, when confronted with someone who speaks no English, simply repeats himself more loudly, as if the foreigner is merely hard of hearing. In the same way, whenever we see repetition without change, we can be sure that there is a failure to communicate, which is the sort of thing that is not improved by repetition, no matter how emphatic.
This has clearly happened here, partially because the thread keeps getting moved, but also because people are just talking past each other. In an effort to communicate more clearly, and to bring newcomers up to date, I'm going to try to break this down into small pieces that can be individually disputed and acknowledged.
If you wish to dispute any of these points, or argue that the conclusion does not follow, you are free to do so. However, merely disagreeing with or ignoring any of these points amounts to walking away from this discussion and therefore becoming irrelevant to the consensus. I've thrown down the gauntlet. CarolineWH ( talk) 00:51, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
I have no axe to grind, or dog in this fight, or whatever the appropriate phrase is - but please, people, calm down and address the issues. The ratio of heat to light is far too high in this discussion. I asked above whether there was any evidence that the "pro-choice" people disliked or avoided the word mother, and CarolineWH kindly provided a link to Pro-life#Term_controversy, which does indeed contain a reference to an article in which the author offers a personal opinion that the word should not be used until a woman has given birth. But that looks like pretty weak evidence to me - basically, just an opinion piece by one writer. What do the organisations concerned with the topic say and do? Can anyone produce any hard facts on this? In the absence of any such, I would conclude that this is a storm in a teacup. If there is an edict that mother is not be used to refer to a pregnant female, then I am left with one further difficulty: When describing something from the point of view of the embryo or fetus, what word do I put after the possessive "its" to refer to the adult female in which the fetus is developing? In a sentence like "The mammalian fetus receives all its nourishment from its mother, via the placenta" - what word should I insert in place of the M-word? Or how about some Shakespeare: "Macduff was from his pregnant woman's womb untimely ripped"? Sorry - but it is a serious question. SNALWIBMA ( talk - contribs ) 15:55, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
While the discussion isn't over yet and I'm still trying to get more people to comment on it, it has been 3 days and with 5 editors leaning yes and 1 editor leaning no I think the gun has pretty well sounded. - Schrandit ( talk) 16:22, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Because the term "mother" is used so widely by some many people in so many contexts reliable sources is a false canard here. Either viewpoint can undoubtedly find oodles of references to one usage or the other. Citing these will not address the underlying issue, merely shift the Tempest_in_a_teapot from arguing about the word to arguing about the sources. Furthermore, claiming that it is up the opposing viewpoint to prove their viewpoint is counterproductive. I think WP:IAR applies here and posit this question: what harm is there in using the term "pregnant woman"? Gerardw ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:52, 25 November 2009 (UTC). Forgot to include the comment that walking in here cold it strikes me there's a Let_That_Be_Your_Last_Battlefield nature of the discussion here. Has a WP:RFC been attempted? Gerardw ( talk) 12:00, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
This feels very much like censorship and a method for promoting a single POV. This consistent use of NPOV to cover personal preference is getting a bit tiresome. I react more to the censorship of terms, excising all use of the term mother, the using the term pregnant woman.
IF someone was writing a new article and used the term, pregnant woman, I would find no issue. However, the same can be said for a using mother. It is clear that both terms are used inter-changeably. If either term is used exclusively, then only one side of the agenda is satisfied.
The problem is when an editor scours articles and excises specific terminology to meet their political agenda while cloaking their actions in NPOV. I reject the claim that mother violates NPOV; that is a canard. Wikipedia does not take a position either way; we are neutral and neutrality demands the use of both terms. Neither word is better than the other and both are acceptable. No editor should be censoring terms and no editor is designated our PC police. - Storm Rider 19:47, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
(Outdent) I've commented on this issue previously (see here), and I'm going to rehash some of the points I made there, since they haven't necessarily been brought up explicitly in the current conversation.
In my opinion, use of the phrase "pregnant woman" rather than "mother" seems in keeping with Wikipedia's general practice of referring to individuals or groups as they self-identify. For instance, in the context of abortion-related articles, we use " pro-life" instead of "anti-abortion" or " pro-choice" instead of "pro-abortion." My trouble with the word "mother," specifically in abortion-related articles, is that many women to whom that label would apply have specifically decided that they do not wish to self-identify as mothers. On the other hand, almost any person who considers and/or obtains an abortion would presumably (though perhaps begrudgingly) acknowledge that she is a pregnant woman.
Based in large part on this point, it is preferable in my opinion to use "pregnant woman" instead of "mother" in abortion-related Wikipedia articles. On top of that, it doesn't strike me as an unreasonably unwieldy phrase, and it is not likely to lead to confusion (exceptions like Snalwibma's example notwithstanding). If there are particular instances where use of "pregnant woman" instead of "mother" would be too awkward or confusing, perhaps use of "mother" would be appropriate, but I would hope that this would be the limited exception and not the rule. Tropaeolum majus ( talk) 00:38, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
(Outdent) Discounting the now banned Caroline, I see 4 in favor of removing the word "mother" and 6 opposed. - Schrandit ( talk) 11:26, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Count the banned Caroline and add me. Seems that's 6 in favor of not using mother when it doesn't make any sense, and 6 in favor of being nonsensical. And honestly, after reading this whole talk page, you should relax against Caroline. You seem angry. Beam 06:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted to mention the ABC article has had GA status for a while now. Could it be upgraded from B? - Roy Boy 16:56, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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User:CarolineWH has repeatedly said that this should go to RfC. I heartily encourage her to draft a neutrally-worded request for comment, which I will be happy to second. In the meantime, it might be best if a pattern of what are clearly not uncontroversial edits should stop. -- Paularblaster ( talk) 08:24, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
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I recently created a new section, Pro-life_movement#Polling. It contains extensive info on Gallup polling of abortion that is not truly addressed anywhere else on Wikipedia, although the Societal_attitudes_towards_abortion#North_.26_Central_America page appears to touch on one of the polls briefly. At any rate, Andrew c suggested I keep this in a central location (a good suggestion), and I am considering now adding this into the Societal attitudes page, or else creating a new page on U.S. abortion polling, but am concerned there is no section specifically for U.S. abortion polling there. Plus, given the worldwide emphasis, this valuable information could be easily overlooked, as it would lie further down the page.
At any rate, I'm thinking this might be useful information for the abortion Wiki project, not just for this page but possibly for citation on other abortion-related pages as well. Perhaps a U.S. abortion polling page could be created, with a summary mentioned on the Societal attitudes page? The information really well illustrates where American attitudes on abortion lie, however, in revealing that most support abortion only in cases like life of the mother or rape/incest. I'm looking for input on how to go about organizing this data on Wikipedia. -- Jzyehoshua ( talk) 18:37, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
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There is now a proposed general Manual of Style for Religion and other articles relating to ethoses or belief systems at Wikipedia:WikiProject Religion/Manual of style. Any input would be welcome. I personally believe at least one of the reasons why many articles in this field have been as contentious as they have been is because of lack of such guidelines, and would very much welcome any input from others to help come up with some generally acceptable solutions to some of these problems. John Carter ( talk) 22:07, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
If anyone is familiar with Swedish abortion law, please contribute at that article on the situation post-22-weeks. 84.203.34.111 ( talk) 20:12, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Abortion advocacy movement coverage, an RFC that will affect the title of the articles currently titled Support for the legalization of abortion and Opposition to legal abortion if consensus is found in favor of its conclusions, is now in its community feedback phase and ready for editors to register opinions and arguments. Please add your feedback; thanks! —chaos5023 ( talk) 17:57, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
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Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 18:05, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Where is this topic covered in the Wikiproject Abortion? For example, discussion of abortion clinics or abortionists who fail to follow laws, ethical codes or proper procedures? 84.146.233.113
Although it might make sense to retitle Category:Abortion by country to Category:Abortion by region, given the regional subcategories, "...by country" is the naming convention recommended by WP:NCCAT. It also isn't necessary to sort an article into both Category:Abortion by country and one of its subcategories, because, if it's listed in a subcategory of Abortion by country, then it's already listed in Abortion by country. Articles are only listed in two subcategories of Category:Abortion at the same time if two completely different categories apply to the same topic (for example, Richard Starkie in both Category:Abortion in the United Kingdom and Category:Abortion providers, or LifeNews.com in both Category:Pro-life organizations in the United States and Category:Abortion in media). Thanks. - Severa ( !!!) 23:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there an established protocol for the kinds of pages which should be sorted into Category:WikiProject Abortion articles? Can images, categories, and templates be included, or are such categories strictly limited to encyclopedia articles (e.g. Abortion, Pro-life, Planned Parenthood, etc.)? If you look at other WikiProjects, some, such as WikiProject Novels, have "articles" categories which include non-article content, while others do not. Also, should non-article class categories ( Template, Category, and Non-article) be sorted as subcategories of Category:Abortion articles by quality, or Category:WikiProject Abortion articles? - Severa ( !!!) 04:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
This has been a long time coming, but I'm formally leaving WP:Abortion. There just isn't the slightest morsel of time anymore. Even here, while I'm on break, I'm barely able to scratch out enough time to leave a paragraph-long goodbye message. Thanks to everyone in this project; although I've seen eye-to-eye with exactly no one, I respect all of you, and my fondest and strongest memories of Wikipedia are of working on this project. Perhaps someday I shall return. Good luck to the project. -- BCSWowbagger 18:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Should this WikiProject perhaps have its own Manual of Style, as in the case of Manual of Style (Islam-related articles), Manual of Style (Ireland-related articles), or Manual of Style (medicine-related articles)? We could use our own MoS to formally outline conventions in terminology which already have precedent throughout the project, such as "pro-life"/"pro-choice" over "anti-abortion"/"pro-abortion", and so forth. I'm not really sure if there's a formal process to creating a specialized MoS, but, it seems like a good idea. Let me know what you think. - Severa ( !!!) 08:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
Roe v. Wade is up for Feature Article Review. Please feel free to drop by if you would like to comment. Thank you! - Severa ( !!!)
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Abortion-related violence has a small dispute, and I do not want it to be just between me and the other editor, so I am asking members of this project to review the dispute and comment either way. For the most part, it involves sourcing and what is verifiable, reliable, and notable (i.e. a college newspaper, and lifesite.net).- Andrew c 15:59, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
User:Severa approached me re developing an infobox for abortion. Following brief discussion on what this might entail on my talk page, I have now added a draft version to Wikipedia:List of infoboxes/Proposed at Wikipedia:List of infoboxes/Proposed/Infobox Abortion. Discussion on the proposal should be helpd at Wikipedia talk:List of infoboxes/Proposed/Infobox Abortion.
Obvious point is that this applies only to induced abortions (i.e. deliberate terminations) rather than spontaneous abortions (miscarriages) (e.g. complete miscarriage, incomplete miscariage, threatened miscariage David Ruben Talk 03:12, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
A definition concern was raised by an anonymous poster whose wife had a D&E to complete a miscarriage. Trying to find more information on how the term is defined, I just became more confused. I'm hoping others can provide more insight to the discussion Talk:Dilation and evacuation#A bit of a problem. Lyrl Talk C 16:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Please see Category talk:Methods of abortion for a new proposed organizational hierarchy. Comments would be appreciated. - Severa ( !!!) 19:16, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I've been informed there are "too many articles in general Abortion cat", while I don't think that is remotely the case I could suggest some sub cats. "Abortion in society" or "Abortion debate" category could take 3-4 articles, I'll be bold and do it, moving ABC to that cat as well. But I'd reiterate 17/18 articles in the main cat weren't that many to begin with. - Roy Boy 800 00:22, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I gather from a brief browse through the Wikiquote Abortion page that it is something of a no man's land. I believe that this page could benefit from a little attention and an even hand. Would anyone be willing to review this page to ensure that the selected quotations are relevant and that it reflects the same standards of notability and neutrality expected here on Wikipedia? - Severa ( !!!) 12:19, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
I recently placed an RFC regarding terminology regarding the organism/child which develops in the womb. The request does not spring from a particular lack of consensus, but from the desire for discussion regarding the basic need to have a single NPOV term which seems to be lacking. Please take a moment to make your suggestions, the discussion is at the Talk:Abortion_debate.— Red Baron 16:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else think that there are now enough articles in Category:Abortion providers, Category:Pro-life activists, Category:Pro-choice activists, and Category:Abortion-related violence to warrant the creation of a biographical stub tag? I am beginning to wonder if "This abortion-related article is a stub" is a bit of an awkward fit when applied to an article about a person. "This biographical article related to abortion is a stub" would seem a more suitable description. - Severa ( !!!) 08:37, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
A WikiProject for pregnancy and childbirth related articles has been proposed. For more information and to express interest, please visit Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Pregnancy_and_childbirth. Thanks! -- Ginkgo100 talk 23:56, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Just wanted to alert members of the project of Colorado Right to Life. At first glace, it seems to be a bit too detailed/verbose for an encyclopedia entry, and of course needs sources. Just wanted to see if anyone wanted to give the article a once over.- Andrew c [talk] 22:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I've just converted Image:USMinorAbortionLawsMap.png to svg but I couldn't make out what colour D.C. had. If anyone knows can you please drop a line here or on my talk page or on the image talk page. The same goes for Image:USMandatoryWaitingPeriodLaws.png although I haven't converted that one yet. / Lokal _ Profil 19:22, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Members of this project may be interested in this AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Student LifeNet (3rd nomination). -- B. Wolterding ( talk) 18:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
I would be interested in creating the following articles: Abortion in China, Abortion in Japan, Abortion in Indonesia, Abortion in Singapore, and Abortion in Thailand. However, I need sources/references. If somebody could list some references or sources for me to use for the articles, I would gladly create the articles. Thanks! -- Grrrlriot ( talk) 22:43, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
The following categories seem to cover the same thing:
For Project-related subcategories, I suggest deleting two of the above categories and forming the following hierarchy:
-- GregManninLB ( talk) 00:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Merging the activities of this project into a task force on reproductive medicine has been suggested. Please comment in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine/Task forces#Reproductive medicine. Lyrl Talk C 21:42, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
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Someone has put a note in at Family Planning Association saying that they shared a headquarters with a eugenics association in the 1930s. Do any of you have an opinion as to whether this is notable? I'd have thought sharing a building was hardly a big deal, and even if it was I think anyone interested in social welfare was interested in eugenics in the 1930s, and it sounds like a way to smear the modern organisation. We don't go around making as much of a deal that the Royal Society started out by talking about alchemy. The Wednesday Island ( talk) 12:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
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Why is Germany in map not in blue ? Here in Germany abortion is legal on request. I live in Germany and women have the right to have an abortion on request. GLGermann ( talk) 23:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
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Pro-death is not the same as pro-choice, Pro-choice advocates are people who believe in the choice of having an abortion and the choice of having a child. Pro-death advocates, although scarce, are people in support of the death penalty and other means of ending life. The Squicks ( talk) 23:43, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
It now gose to Abortion debate. 24.252.84.238 ( talk) 00:53, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
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I'm asking for some input over at the talk page for the Murder of George Tiller article. The article was originally "Murder of George Tiller", but was changed to "Assassination of George Tiller" a few months ago. Recently, a user changed it back to "Murder", which has led to a debate between that user and myself over which title is most appropriate. The two of us have debated the issue at the talk page, but so far we're the only ones to participate in the discussion, so I'd appreciate it if anybody would like to visit there and provide their own feedback. I'd like to establish some sort of consensus one way or the other... — Hunter Kahn ( c) 02:20, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
I am one of the people who has made an effort to ensure WP:NPOV by using the term "pregnant woman" when referring to women who are pregnant and may or may not ever become mothers. While there does appear to be a consensus for this, there is also discussion in various venues. Rather than demanding that people bounce around article and editor talk pages to follow the thread of conversation, I'd like to centralize the discussion here, so that we don't have to repeat ourselves.
Briefly, my argument is that "mother" is neither accurate nor neutral, while "pregnant woman" is demonstrably both. As such, WP:NPOV requires us to avoid the former consistently. I recognize that this restriction of neutrality applies to Wikipedia, not to our sources, so we should expect to see "mother" pop up in some direct quotes, but that's not an argument for using it ourselves.
I welcome reasoned discussion regarding this topic, but have little interest in discussing my own personal views, as they are immaterial. CarolineWH ( talk) 20:58, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
(Outdent)Gays are not technically a collection of very happy people, they are homosexuals. The term gay, particularly in issues like gay-marriage is used in the common language, encoded in law and even used by opponents of gay-marriage so we say gay-marriage even though it is technically not gay-marriage. Assault weapons, in the American context, are not actually assault weapons, they are semi-automatic rifles with a magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds and a bayonet lug. The term assault rifle, particularly in issues like gun-control and assault weapons bans, is used in the common language, is encoded in law and even used by proponents of legalized assault weapons so we say assault weapons even though they are not technically assault weapons. Mothers, in the abortion context, may not technically be mothers. The term mother, particularly in the context of issues like health of the mother, life of the mother, wellbeing of the mother is used in the common language, is encoded in law and is even used by the most vigorous proponents of abortion. There is no more a POV issue here than there is with calling homosexual marriage gay-marriage or referring to a law which restricts rifles with a bayonet lug and a magazine capacity in excess of 10 rounds an assault rifle. When our sources say mother, we should say mother. - Schrandit ( talk) 18:24, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone have any references for their position? Caroline keeps talking about a "neutral" position, but has so far offered nothing but her own opinion. I do understand why using the term mother is unacceptable to a pro-choice advocate, but that is why it can so easily be identified as POV also. What is a fact is that mother is used regularly, if not more commonly, than "pregnant woman" in English today. Attempting to censor its use comes across as highly POV. Where are your references? - Storm Rider 22:00, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
(←) Coming to this cold, I am very puzzled. Is mother a loaded term in this context? I see it used all the time to refer to a pregnant female (human or otherwise), in all sorts of contexts, biological, medical, legal, sociological, popular press, serious journalism ... Where is the evidence that it is considered non-neutral, or that it is avoided, by "pro-choice" people? All I see here is one editor who doesn't like the word used in this context, for reasons that are abundantly unclear. If some evidence could be produced, that would help the debate! SNALWIBMA ( talk - contribs ) 14:43, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
The stereotypical American tourist, when confronted with someone who speaks no English, simply repeats himself more loudly, as if the foreigner is merely hard of hearing. In the same way, whenever we see repetition without change, we can be sure that there is a failure to communicate, which is the sort of thing that is not improved by repetition, no matter how emphatic.
This has clearly happened here, partially because the thread keeps getting moved, but also because people are just talking past each other. In an effort to communicate more clearly, and to bring newcomers up to date, I'm going to try to break this down into small pieces that can be individually disputed and acknowledged.
If you wish to dispute any of these points, or argue that the conclusion does not follow, you are free to do so. However, merely disagreeing with or ignoring any of these points amounts to walking away from this discussion and therefore becoming irrelevant to the consensus. I've thrown down the gauntlet. CarolineWH ( talk) 00:51, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
I have no axe to grind, or dog in this fight, or whatever the appropriate phrase is - but please, people, calm down and address the issues. The ratio of heat to light is far too high in this discussion. I asked above whether there was any evidence that the "pro-choice" people disliked or avoided the word mother, and CarolineWH kindly provided a link to Pro-life#Term_controversy, which does indeed contain a reference to an article in which the author offers a personal opinion that the word should not be used until a woman has given birth. But that looks like pretty weak evidence to me - basically, just an opinion piece by one writer. What do the organisations concerned with the topic say and do? Can anyone produce any hard facts on this? In the absence of any such, I would conclude that this is a storm in a teacup. If there is an edict that mother is not be used to refer to a pregnant female, then I am left with one further difficulty: When describing something from the point of view of the embryo or fetus, what word do I put after the possessive "its" to refer to the adult female in which the fetus is developing? In a sentence like "The mammalian fetus receives all its nourishment from its mother, via the placenta" - what word should I insert in place of the M-word? Or how about some Shakespeare: "Macduff was from his pregnant woman's womb untimely ripped"? Sorry - but it is a serious question. SNALWIBMA ( talk - contribs ) 15:55, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
While the discussion isn't over yet and I'm still trying to get more people to comment on it, it has been 3 days and with 5 editors leaning yes and 1 editor leaning no I think the gun has pretty well sounded. - Schrandit ( talk) 16:22, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Because the term "mother" is used so widely by some many people in so many contexts reliable sources is a false canard here. Either viewpoint can undoubtedly find oodles of references to one usage or the other. Citing these will not address the underlying issue, merely shift the Tempest_in_a_teapot from arguing about the word to arguing about the sources. Furthermore, claiming that it is up the opposing viewpoint to prove their viewpoint is counterproductive. I think WP:IAR applies here and posit this question: what harm is there in using the term "pregnant woman"? Gerardw ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:52, 25 November 2009 (UTC). Forgot to include the comment that walking in here cold it strikes me there's a Let_That_Be_Your_Last_Battlefield nature of the discussion here. Has a WP:RFC been attempted? Gerardw ( talk) 12:00, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
This feels very much like censorship and a method for promoting a single POV. This consistent use of NPOV to cover personal preference is getting a bit tiresome. I react more to the censorship of terms, excising all use of the term mother, the using the term pregnant woman.
IF someone was writing a new article and used the term, pregnant woman, I would find no issue. However, the same can be said for a using mother. It is clear that both terms are used inter-changeably. If either term is used exclusively, then only one side of the agenda is satisfied.
The problem is when an editor scours articles and excises specific terminology to meet their political agenda while cloaking their actions in NPOV. I reject the claim that mother violates NPOV; that is a canard. Wikipedia does not take a position either way; we are neutral and neutrality demands the use of both terms. Neither word is better than the other and both are acceptable. No editor should be censoring terms and no editor is designated our PC police. - Storm Rider 19:47, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
(Outdent) I've commented on this issue previously (see here), and I'm going to rehash some of the points I made there, since they haven't necessarily been brought up explicitly in the current conversation.
In my opinion, use of the phrase "pregnant woman" rather than "mother" seems in keeping with Wikipedia's general practice of referring to individuals or groups as they self-identify. For instance, in the context of abortion-related articles, we use " pro-life" instead of "anti-abortion" or " pro-choice" instead of "pro-abortion." My trouble with the word "mother," specifically in abortion-related articles, is that many women to whom that label would apply have specifically decided that they do not wish to self-identify as mothers. On the other hand, almost any person who considers and/or obtains an abortion would presumably (though perhaps begrudgingly) acknowledge that she is a pregnant woman.
Based in large part on this point, it is preferable in my opinion to use "pregnant woman" instead of "mother" in abortion-related Wikipedia articles. On top of that, it doesn't strike me as an unreasonably unwieldy phrase, and it is not likely to lead to confusion (exceptions like Snalwibma's example notwithstanding). If there are particular instances where use of "pregnant woman" instead of "mother" would be too awkward or confusing, perhaps use of "mother" would be appropriate, but I would hope that this would be the limited exception and not the rule. Tropaeolum majus ( talk) 00:38, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
(Outdent) Discounting the now banned Caroline, I see 4 in favor of removing the word "mother" and 6 opposed. - Schrandit ( talk) 11:26, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
Count the banned Caroline and add me. Seems that's 6 in favor of not using mother when it doesn't make any sense, and 6 in favor of being nonsensical. And honestly, after reading this whole talk page, you should relax against Caroline. You seem angry. Beam 06:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
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User:CarolineWH has repeatedly said that this should go to RfC. I heartily encourage her to draft a neutrally-worded request for comment, which I will be happy to second. In the meantime, it might be best if a pattern of what are clearly not uncontroversial edits should stop. -- Paularblaster ( talk) 08:24, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
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