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Hey guys – hope everyone's doing well. Following on from the GAN discussion for 2023 AFL Women's season (now got the last couple of AFLW seasons to GA status – keen to get as many season articles as possible to a similar quality), I had a few points that I wanted to raise with everyone in the hopes of gaining a wider consensus. I also have another larger point that I wanted to discuss down the line for these articles, but I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on these first.
For the lead section, in a similar vein to Grand Slam tennis articles, I definitely feel like covering the reigning premier and minor premier in the same paragraph as the premier would be beneficial/interesting. For example, for 2023 AFLW: Melbourne was the reigning premier, but was eliminated by Geelong in the semi-finals. Adelaide won the minor premiership by finishing atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away season with a 9–1 win/loss record, but was eliminated by North Melbourne in the preliminary finals. Brisbane won its second AFL Women's premiership, defeating...
, and so on, with any double-ups (or all three, if applicable) morphing into one sentence. At the very least, I strongly think that we need to change the seriously outdated language of The premiership was won by _______
(because who speaks like that, in person or in the media?) to something like _______ won its/their ____ premiership
or _______ won the premiership, its/their ____ overall
. I also think that in this same sentence, we should always state the grand final venue regardless of league or season – we can't expect a new reader to know that the AFL Grand Final is always played at the MCG except on a few occasions, for example.
With club leadership and milestone tables, the short answer for me is keep them (coaches and leadership groups should be sourced separately, however), and I think that listing 200th game and 400th goal upwards for AFL and 50th game/goal upwards for AFLW is sufficient, but some of you might feel differently. With the Indigenous Round rebrandings, obviously it's a newer initiative, but would it be better to just mention the rebrandings in the prose (to which we should be devoting more time anyway) and game notes and otherwise leave the club names as they are in the results, like we do with the other tables? For the leading goalkicker table, I've reformatted the table for recent seasons, and in doing so, I've highlighted up to three players who led the goalkicking at the end of a round (if more than three players led at the end of a round, e.g. at the start of the season, this wouldn't apply) and kept them at the bottom of the table regardless of placing if they weren't in the top ten at the end of the season, even if they only led for a round (e.g. Alyssa Bannan and Darcy Vescio led at the start of the 2023 AFLW season, and Peter Everitt led for four rounds during the 2000 AFL season); keen to get people's thoughts on these changes.
Regarding player movement periods (for starters, I think that drafts should be split into separate articles from player movement periods and the original articles should be moved to "____ AFL/AFL Women's player movement period", rather than us continue to house information and tables related to player movement in articles titled "draft"), I think that the period mentioned in the article should be the one that takes place after the season rather than before (e.g. 2023–24 AFLW should appear towards the end of the 2023 season article, not 2022–23 at the start) or, failing that, both; I initially mentioned both in 2023 AFLW, but think that the latter holds more relevance to that season. As I said in the GAN discussion, yes, the player movement period introduces players to lists for the following season, but also includes retirements, delistings, etc. that are more relevant to the previous season; I think that the timing is also a factor (take the 2018 AFLW off-season, for example, when the trade period was held in May – it just seems weird to me having a trade period that happened in May 2018 appear in the 2019 season article). Regardless, I think that these should at least be mentioned.
Anyway, thanks for reading, and keen to get everyone's thoughts; if anyone has any other points that they'd like to discuss regarding season articles, regardless of league (though most of the points that I raised mainly just cover AFL and AFLW), please feel free. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 13:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
The Richmond Football Club, which finished third on the home-and-away ladder, won the premiership after it defeated sixth-placed Greater Western Sydney by 89 points in the 2019 AFL Grand Final. It was Richmond's twelfth premiership. The minor premiership was won by Geelong, which finished third after being eliminated in the preliminary finals.I recognise that you and I have had this debate about sequencing things by chronology vs importance before, but I'm strongly of the view that we need to go by importance in the lead, hence my order; and going reigning-minor-major is the opposite.
This was the first/second/third of three premierships won by Richmond over four years between 2017-2020in each of the premiership years; and if there's a Richmond story to be told in 2018, its the fact that this was their one non-premiership year, not the fact that they finished third in that specific year without reference to the two years that followed. What is the dynastic story for the Bulldogs' 2016 flag: for me it's more that they won a flag by having one good year without a prolonged period of success (i.e. 2016 was the only year that decade in which they won a final), far moreso than the fact that they came tenth in 2017 - and that context would all belong in the 2016 lead. Perhaps there isn't a single consistent format we can take and we would just need to agree on what gets included season-by-season - but that comes with a risk of trivia gradually bloating the leads. Aspirex ( talk) 21:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
make the lead section accessible to as broad an audience as possible– if anything, directing readers who might not be familiar with the term (one that is seldom used outside of Australia, if at all) away from the article to get an understanding for it, all for the sake of trimming a few words, would do less for that than also briefly defining the term. If you want to trim a few words from the lead, get rid of the grand final teams' ladder finishes and after-finals rankings (1. again, who says/uses this, and 2. where do they appear in the rest of the article?) from your example; adding the win/loss/draw record to the infobox rather than the text won't solve the problem either, given how packed the infobox gets by season's end compared to the "lean" lead prose, to use your words. Otherwise, the leading goalkicker table point was more about including players who led during the season in the table regardless of where they finish than having a cutoff point, but I still think that as long as it isn't a large number of players (e.g. more than three), there isn't any harm in highlighting round leaders from the start of the season; for example, there were only two equal leaders after Opening Round this year, and only one after round 1 last year.
The Richmond Football Club won the premiership, defeating Geelong by 31 points in the 2020 AFL Grand Final. It was Richmond's second consecutive premiership, and 13th VFL/AFL premiership overall. Port Adelaide won the minor premiership for finishing atop the ladder after the home-and-away season, and was eliminated in the preliminary finals.Per MOS:NUMERAL, numerals or ordinals zero to nine must be spelled in words; and by choice we agree to use numerals for anything 10 or higher; we would just say VFL premiership instead of VFL/AFL premiership in seasons earlier than 1990.
Reigning premier Richmond won the premiership, its third in four seasons and 13th VFL/AFL premiership overall, defeating Geelong by 31 points in the 2020 AFL Grand Final. Port Adelaide won the minor premiership by finishing atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away season with a 14–3 win/loss record, but was defeated by Richmond in the preliminary finals.
Collingwood won the premiership, its 16th VFL/AFL premiership overall, defeating the Brisbane Lions by four points in the 2023 AFL Grand Final. Collingwood won the minor premiership by finishing atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away season with an 18–5 win/loss record. Geelong was the reigning premier, but did not qualify for finals.
Brisbane won the premiership, its second AFL Women's premiership overall, defeating North Melbourne by four points in the 2023 AFL Women's Grand Final. Adelaide won the minor premiership by finishing atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away season with a 9–1 win/loss record, but was eliminated by North Melbourne in the preliminary finals. Melbourne was the reigning premier, but was eliminated by Geelong in the semi-finals.
Brisbane won the premiership, defeating North Melbourne by four points in the 2023 AFL Women's Grand Final. It was Brisbane's second AFL Women's premiership. Adelaide won the minor premiership by finishing atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away season with a 9–1 win/loss record, but was eliminated in the preliminary finals.I'd prefer to see the grand final result before interseasonal context, i.e.
Richmond won the premiership, defeating Geelong by 31 points in the 2020 AFL Grand Final. It was Richmond's third premiership in four seasons and 13th VFL/AFL premiership overall. Port Adelaide won the minor premiership by finishing atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away season with a 14–3 win/loss record, but was defeated in the preliminary finals.In an article about the season, that season should come first. Also, don't need the word 'overall' for premiership count unless there is also a shorter timescale premiership count listed. Aspirex ( talk) 21:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
with a 14–3 win/loss record, but
by Richmondis too detailed?), so I'm not budging on those two elements. Gotta give and take, mate. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 06:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Anyone else want to weigh in? Tagging Storm machine, HiLo48, The-Pope, Hawkeye7, Gibbsyspin, Jjamesryan, SportingFlyer, Lindsay658, Jenks24, Totallynotarandomalt69 and anyone else who might be interested, not just in the lead but other elements that I've brought up or you might want to bring up yourself. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 07:26, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
The 2023 AFL season was the 127th season of the Australian Football League (AFL), the highest level senior men's Australian rules football competition in Australia, which was known as the Victorian Football League until 1989(is this last part definitely needed?)
. The season featured 18 clubs and ran from 16 March to 30 September, comprising a 23-match home-and-away season for the first time in league history, followed by a four-week finals series featuring the top eight clubs.
Collingwood won the premiership, defeating the Brisbane Lions by four points in the 2023 AFL Grand Final; it was Collingwood's 16th VFL/AFL premiership. Collingwood won the minor premiership by finishing atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away season with an 18–5 win/loss record.(In this case, if we consider it notable enough)
Reigning premier Geelong failed to qualify for finals, finishing twelfth.(This could be extended to include the "first reigning premier since 1976 to lose its opening three matches" stat if necessary?)
I'm not wedded to mentioning the VFL name change in the lead, but have found the current approach to be a useful middle ground position in acknowledging the league's mostly Victorian history without implying the existence of an acknowledged 'AFL era'. This used to be presented in this much more heavy handed manner. Should note that the word 'men's' should only be used from 2017 onwards. I still oppose reigning premiers in all cases, to ensure consistency year-to-year; consistency is to me a lot more important in the lead, especially when these planned prose summaries can be more readily flexed to fit season-by-season variations in notability. Finally, your last comment. I've already stated my position on what standard of notability should be upheld for inclusion of onfield records in the lead with the list in this diff. Could it be made a little less exclusive, yes; but is "the fourth time a reigning premier started the next year with a three-game H&A losing streak" so notable that it should go in the lead? Well my answer is obviously no, preceded by several choice adjectives. That is such low level cruft, I don't know how you could possibly suggest putting that into the lead and think that would help the article to achieve a GA standard.
Collingwood, captained by Darcy Moore and coached by Craig McRae, won the premiership, defeating the Brisbane Lions by four points in the 2023 AFL Grand Final; it was Collingwood's 16th VFL/AFL premiership. Collingwood also won the minor premiership by finishing atop the home-and-away ladder. Brisbane midfielder won his second Brownlow Medal as league fairest and best (or best and fairest), and Carlton forward Charlie Curnow won his second consecutive Coleman Medal as league leading goalkicker.It meets an objective of expanding the lead, which we both seem to be fine with, but without including the reigning premiers to which I'm so strongly opposed. Aspirex ( talk) 02:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
The 2023 AFL season was the 127th season of the Australian Football League (AFL), the highest level senior men's Australian rules football competition in Australia. The season featured 18 clubs and ran from 16 March to 30 September, comprising a 23-match home-and-away season for the first time in the league's history, followed by a four-week finals series featuring the top eight clubs.
Collingwood won the premiership, defeating the Brisbane Lions by four points in the 2023 AFL Grand Final; it was Collingwood's 16th VFL/AFL premiership. Collingwood also won the minor premiership by finishing atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away season with an 18–5 win/loss record. Brisbane's Lachie Neale won his second Brownlow Medal as the league's best and fairest player, and Carlton's Charlie Curnow won his second consecutive Coleman Medal as the league's leading goalkicker.
atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away seasonwith the less wordy and more common sounding
on top of the home-and-away ladder; and remove the words
win/loss, as I think the meaning is equally clear without them and it avoids the need to also state 'draw' when applicable. Aspirex ( talk) 02:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
atop the home-and-away ladder?) – but not removing "win/loss"; I don't see the need to remove "win/loss" or "win/loss/draw" just for the sake of making a tiny trim. Say a team goes 20–2–1 (or as Brisbane did in 2017 AFLW, 6–0–1) – if you left the term out, not super clear (especially to the average reader/someone who doesn't follow sports as much) if it's WLD or WDL, is it? You'd have to clarify the record; at least by keeping it in there regardless, we're maintaining consistency, like you've asked for. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 04:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Reverting to one of the other points in the discussion, there are now five clubs who will adopt Indigenous names for the Sir Douglas Nicholls Rounds, and the current approach of gamenoting the name changes and intents every time is getting longer. In the interest of finding a solution which would work practically if all 19 clubs took part, I'll again raise my thought that we use the English names only in the season pages, then write a
Sir Douglas Nicholls Round article including a subsection which mentions each club's Indigenous name, the intent/basis of it, and the years of use; and have a standard Five clubs adopted Indigenous names during the two weeks of the 2024
Sir Douglas Nicholls Round#Names subsection
gamenote in the first week of the Sir Douglas Nicholls Round only. Then use the English names exclusively in the season page (or maybe list the Indigenous somewhere in the season page prose, but more for completeness than as the primary reference). I feel a central location, and the club pages, are a better place to keep this information than the season pages, since we don't expect it to change very much year to year.
Aspirex (
talk) 00:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Many players don't have up to date images. For instance, the pictures of Jordan Dawson, George Hewett, Darcy Cameron are all of them playing for the Swans. There are no images in Wikimedia of them playing for their current team. What can we do about this? MaskedSinger ( talk) 06:18, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Bringing a small dispute here before I get a 3RR violation. Simple dispute: is Carlton's main colour described as 'navy blue' or 'dark navy blue'. Both appear in references from time to time. The club's constitution states 'navy blue', and given the self-defined nature of club colours, I'd say this should automatically trump any other reference. Constitution Aspirex ( talk) 11:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi WikiProject Australian rules football. I've just added about a dozen previously uncategorised templates to Category:Australian rules football navigational boxes (most are in the "0-9" section but also {{ AFL Under-19s}}, {{ AFL Women's All-Australian captains}} and {{ AFL reserves}}). They probably require refinement into more specific categories, but members of this project are probably better-placed to do that. Regards. DH85868993 ( talk) 01:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hey guys – hope everyone's doing well. Following on from the GAN discussion for 2023 AFL Women's season (now got the last couple of AFLW seasons to GA status – keen to get as many season articles as possible to a similar quality), I had a few points that I wanted to raise with everyone in the hopes of gaining a wider consensus. I also have another larger point that I wanted to discuss down the line for these articles, but I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on these first.
For the lead section, in a similar vein to Grand Slam tennis articles, I definitely feel like covering the reigning premier and minor premier in the same paragraph as the premier would be beneficial/interesting. For example, for 2023 AFLW: Melbourne was the reigning premier, but was eliminated by Geelong in the semi-finals. Adelaide won the minor premiership by finishing atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away season with a 9–1 win/loss record, but was eliminated by North Melbourne in the preliminary finals. Brisbane won its second AFL Women's premiership, defeating...
, and so on, with any double-ups (or all three, if applicable) morphing into one sentence. At the very least, I strongly think that we need to change the seriously outdated language of The premiership was won by _______
(because who speaks like that, in person or in the media?) to something like _______ won its/their ____ premiership
or _______ won the premiership, its/their ____ overall
. I also think that in this same sentence, we should always state the grand final venue regardless of league or season – we can't expect a new reader to know that the AFL Grand Final is always played at the MCG except on a few occasions, for example.
With club leadership and milestone tables, the short answer for me is keep them (coaches and leadership groups should be sourced separately, however), and I think that listing 200th game and 400th goal upwards for AFL and 50th game/goal upwards for AFLW is sufficient, but some of you might feel differently. With the Indigenous Round rebrandings, obviously it's a newer initiative, but would it be better to just mention the rebrandings in the prose (to which we should be devoting more time anyway) and game notes and otherwise leave the club names as they are in the results, like we do with the other tables? For the leading goalkicker table, I've reformatted the table for recent seasons, and in doing so, I've highlighted up to three players who led the goalkicking at the end of a round (if more than three players led at the end of a round, e.g. at the start of the season, this wouldn't apply) and kept them at the bottom of the table regardless of placing if they weren't in the top ten at the end of the season, even if they only led for a round (e.g. Alyssa Bannan and Darcy Vescio led at the start of the 2023 AFLW season, and Peter Everitt led for four rounds during the 2000 AFL season); keen to get people's thoughts on these changes.
Regarding player movement periods (for starters, I think that drafts should be split into separate articles from player movement periods and the original articles should be moved to "____ AFL/AFL Women's player movement period", rather than us continue to house information and tables related to player movement in articles titled "draft"), I think that the period mentioned in the article should be the one that takes place after the season rather than before (e.g. 2023–24 AFLW should appear towards the end of the 2023 season article, not 2022–23 at the start) or, failing that, both; I initially mentioned both in 2023 AFLW, but think that the latter holds more relevance to that season. As I said in the GAN discussion, yes, the player movement period introduces players to lists for the following season, but also includes retirements, delistings, etc. that are more relevant to the previous season; I think that the timing is also a factor (take the 2018 AFLW off-season, for example, when the trade period was held in May – it just seems weird to me having a trade period that happened in May 2018 appear in the 2019 season article). Regardless, I think that these should at least be mentioned.
Anyway, thanks for reading, and keen to get everyone's thoughts; if anyone has any other points that they'd like to discuss regarding season articles, regardless of league (though most of the points that I raised mainly just cover AFL and AFLW), please feel free. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 13:47, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
The Richmond Football Club, which finished third on the home-and-away ladder, won the premiership after it defeated sixth-placed Greater Western Sydney by 89 points in the 2019 AFL Grand Final. It was Richmond's twelfth premiership. The minor premiership was won by Geelong, which finished third after being eliminated in the preliminary finals.I recognise that you and I have had this debate about sequencing things by chronology vs importance before, but I'm strongly of the view that we need to go by importance in the lead, hence my order; and going reigning-minor-major is the opposite.
This was the first/second/third of three premierships won by Richmond over four years between 2017-2020in each of the premiership years; and if there's a Richmond story to be told in 2018, its the fact that this was their one non-premiership year, not the fact that they finished third in that specific year without reference to the two years that followed. What is the dynastic story for the Bulldogs' 2016 flag: for me it's more that they won a flag by having one good year without a prolonged period of success (i.e. 2016 was the only year that decade in which they won a final), far moreso than the fact that they came tenth in 2017 - and that context would all belong in the 2016 lead. Perhaps there isn't a single consistent format we can take and we would just need to agree on what gets included season-by-season - but that comes with a risk of trivia gradually bloating the leads. Aspirex ( talk) 21:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
make the lead section accessible to as broad an audience as possible– if anything, directing readers who might not be familiar with the term (one that is seldom used outside of Australia, if at all) away from the article to get an understanding for it, all for the sake of trimming a few words, would do less for that than also briefly defining the term. If you want to trim a few words from the lead, get rid of the grand final teams' ladder finishes and after-finals rankings (1. again, who says/uses this, and 2. where do they appear in the rest of the article?) from your example; adding the win/loss/draw record to the infobox rather than the text won't solve the problem either, given how packed the infobox gets by season's end compared to the "lean" lead prose, to use your words. Otherwise, the leading goalkicker table point was more about including players who led during the season in the table regardless of where they finish than having a cutoff point, but I still think that as long as it isn't a large number of players (e.g. more than three), there isn't any harm in highlighting round leaders from the start of the season; for example, there were only two equal leaders after Opening Round this year, and only one after round 1 last year.
The Richmond Football Club won the premiership, defeating Geelong by 31 points in the 2020 AFL Grand Final. It was Richmond's second consecutive premiership, and 13th VFL/AFL premiership overall. Port Adelaide won the minor premiership for finishing atop the ladder after the home-and-away season, and was eliminated in the preliminary finals.Per MOS:NUMERAL, numerals or ordinals zero to nine must be spelled in words; and by choice we agree to use numerals for anything 10 or higher; we would just say VFL premiership instead of VFL/AFL premiership in seasons earlier than 1990.
Reigning premier Richmond won the premiership, its third in four seasons and 13th VFL/AFL premiership overall, defeating Geelong by 31 points in the 2020 AFL Grand Final. Port Adelaide won the minor premiership by finishing atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away season with a 14–3 win/loss record, but was defeated by Richmond in the preliminary finals.
Collingwood won the premiership, its 16th VFL/AFL premiership overall, defeating the Brisbane Lions by four points in the 2023 AFL Grand Final. Collingwood won the minor premiership by finishing atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away season with an 18–5 win/loss record. Geelong was the reigning premier, but did not qualify for finals.
Brisbane won the premiership, its second AFL Women's premiership overall, defeating North Melbourne by four points in the 2023 AFL Women's Grand Final. Adelaide won the minor premiership by finishing atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away season with a 9–1 win/loss record, but was eliminated by North Melbourne in the preliminary finals. Melbourne was the reigning premier, but was eliminated by Geelong in the semi-finals.
Brisbane won the premiership, defeating North Melbourne by four points in the 2023 AFL Women's Grand Final. It was Brisbane's second AFL Women's premiership. Adelaide won the minor premiership by finishing atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away season with a 9–1 win/loss record, but was eliminated in the preliminary finals.I'd prefer to see the grand final result before interseasonal context, i.e.
Richmond won the premiership, defeating Geelong by 31 points in the 2020 AFL Grand Final. It was Richmond's third premiership in four seasons and 13th VFL/AFL premiership overall. Port Adelaide won the minor premiership by finishing atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away season with a 14–3 win/loss record, but was defeated in the preliminary finals.In an article about the season, that season should come first. Also, don't need the word 'overall' for premiership count unless there is also a shorter timescale premiership count listed. Aspirex ( talk) 21:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
with a 14–3 win/loss record, but
by Richmondis too detailed?), so I'm not budging on those two elements. Gotta give and take, mate. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 06:51, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Anyone else want to weigh in? Tagging Storm machine, HiLo48, The-Pope, Hawkeye7, Gibbsyspin, Jjamesryan, SportingFlyer, Lindsay658, Jenks24, Totallynotarandomalt69 and anyone else who might be interested, not just in the lead but other elements that I've brought up or you might want to bring up yourself. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 07:26, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
The 2023 AFL season was the 127th season of the Australian Football League (AFL), the highest level senior men's Australian rules football competition in Australia, which was known as the Victorian Football League until 1989(is this last part definitely needed?)
. The season featured 18 clubs and ran from 16 March to 30 September, comprising a 23-match home-and-away season for the first time in league history, followed by a four-week finals series featuring the top eight clubs.
Collingwood won the premiership, defeating the Brisbane Lions by four points in the 2023 AFL Grand Final; it was Collingwood's 16th VFL/AFL premiership. Collingwood won the minor premiership by finishing atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away season with an 18–5 win/loss record.(In this case, if we consider it notable enough)
Reigning premier Geelong failed to qualify for finals, finishing twelfth.(This could be extended to include the "first reigning premier since 1976 to lose its opening three matches" stat if necessary?)
I'm not wedded to mentioning the VFL name change in the lead, but have found the current approach to be a useful middle ground position in acknowledging the league's mostly Victorian history without implying the existence of an acknowledged 'AFL era'. This used to be presented in this much more heavy handed manner. Should note that the word 'men's' should only be used from 2017 onwards. I still oppose reigning premiers in all cases, to ensure consistency year-to-year; consistency is to me a lot more important in the lead, especially when these planned prose summaries can be more readily flexed to fit season-by-season variations in notability. Finally, your last comment. I've already stated my position on what standard of notability should be upheld for inclusion of onfield records in the lead with the list in this diff. Could it be made a little less exclusive, yes; but is "the fourth time a reigning premier started the next year with a three-game H&A losing streak" so notable that it should go in the lead? Well my answer is obviously no, preceded by several choice adjectives. That is such low level cruft, I don't know how you could possibly suggest putting that into the lead and think that would help the article to achieve a GA standard.
Collingwood, captained by Darcy Moore and coached by Craig McRae, won the premiership, defeating the Brisbane Lions by four points in the 2023 AFL Grand Final; it was Collingwood's 16th VFL/AFL premiership. Collingwood also won the minor premiership by finishing atop the home-and-away ladder. Brisbane midfielder won his second Brownlow Medal as league fairest and best (or best and fairest), and Carlton forward Charlie Curnow won his second consecutive Coleman Medal as league leading goalkicker.It meets an objective of expanding the lead, which we both seem to be fine with, but without including the reigning premiers to which I'm so strongly opposed. Aspirex ( talk) 02:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
The 2023 AFL season was the 127th season of the Australian Football League (AFL), the highest level senior men's Australian rules football competition in Australia. The season featured 18 clubs and ran from 16 March to 30 September, comprising a 23-match home-and-away season for the first time in the league's history, followed by a four-week finals series featuring the top eight clubs.
Collingwood won the premiership, defeating the Brisbane Lions by four points in the 2023 AFL Grand Final; it was Collingwood's 16th VFL/AFL premiership. Collingwood also won the minor premiership by finishing atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away season with an 18–5 win/loss record. Brisbane's Lachie Neale won his second Brownlow Medal as the league's best and fairest player, and Carlton's Charlie Curnow won his second consecutive Coleman Medal as the league's leading goalkicker.
atop the ladder at the end of the home-and-away seasonwith the less wordy and more common sounding
on top of the home-and-away ladder; and remove the words
win/loss, as I think the meaning is equally clear without them and it avoids the need to also state 'draw' when applicable. Aspirex ( talk) 02:15, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
atop the home-and-away ladder?) – but not removing "win/loss"; I don't see the need to remove "win/loss" or "win/loss/draw" just for the sake of making a tiny trim. Say a team goes 20–2–1 (or as Brisbane did in 2017 AFLW, 6–0–1) – if you left the term out, not super clear (especially to the average reader/someone who doesn't follow sports as much) if it's WLD or WDL, is it? You'd have to clarify the record; at least by keeping it in there regardless, we're maintaining consistency, like you've asked for. 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 04:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Reverting to one of the other points in the discussion, there are now five clubs who will adopt Indigenous names for the Sir Douglas Nicholls Rounds, and the current approach of gamenoting the name changes and intents every time is getting longer. In the interest of finding a solution which would work practically if all 19 clubs took part, I'll again raise my thought that we use the English names only in the season pages, then write a
Sir Douglas Nicholls Round article including a subsection which mentions each club's Indigenous name, the intent/basis of it, and the years of use; and have a standard Five clubs adopted Indigenous names during the two weeks of the 2024
Sir Douglas Nicholls Round#Names subsection
gamenote in the first week of the Sir Douglas Nicholls Round only. Then use the English names exclusively in the season page (or maybe list the Indigenous somewhere in the season page prose, but more for completeness than as the primary reference). I feel a central location, and the club pages, are a better place to keep this information than the season pages, since we don't expect it to change very much year to year.
Aspirex (
talk) 00:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Many players don't have up to date images. For instance, the pictures of Jordan Dawson, George Hewett, Darcy Cameron are all of them playing for the Swans. There are no images in Wikimedia of them playing for their current team. What can we do about this? MaskedSinger ( talk) 06:18, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Bringing a small dispute here before I get a 3RR violation. Simple dispute: is Carlton's main colour described as 'navy blue' or 'dark navy blue'. Both appear in references from time to time. The club's constitution states 'navy blue', and given the self-defined nature of club colours, I'd say this should automatically trump any other reference. Constitution Aspirex ( talk) 11:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi WikiProject Australian rules football. I've just added about a dozen previously uncategorised templates to Category:Australian rules football navigational boxes (most are in the "0-9" section but also {{ AFL Under-19s}}, {{ AFL Women's All-Australian captains}} and {{ AFL reserves}}). They probably require refinement into more specific categories, but members of this project are probably better-placed to do that. Regards. DH85868993 ( talk) 01:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)