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Is it just me or does the title WikiProject seem redundant and unnecessary? We already know that if it is in the Wikipedia: space then it is a MetaWiki page.
On another note, I think it is time to archive these discussions - except the active ones. Moogle 06:08, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Some WikiProjects are said by some users to be inappropriate (possibly because of POV-pushing, or being a personal attack magnet). Is it possible for a WikiProject to be inappropriate? If so, what are the criteria, and how do we decide? What should we do with said projects?
Please join the discussion on Wikipedia:Wikiproject/Inappropriate projects.
Radiant _* 11:03, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
I've just had someone revert my link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One in the {{ F1-stub}}, citing a prior, similar, revert by User:Rdsmith4 with the edit summary "WikiProject shouldn't be linked from the article namespace". Given that a ton of stubs have links to relevant WikiProjects (IMO, a good thing), and that I can't find any precedent here or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting, I'm reverting, but I would like some clarification if there is anything wrong. [Crossposted to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting and Wikipedia talk:Stub sorting policy ] - SoM 15:46, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I take it that there is likely a general guideline suggesting that links should not lead from the main article namespace into the Wikipedia namespace, but I wouldn't think that would be applied to WikiProject-related pages owing to the desire to attract souls to contribute to those activities. Am I thinking along lines of consensus here? Courtland 12:57, 2005 May 24 (UTC)
Might there be a central wikiproject for starting/ helping new wikiprojects? - SV| t 23:45, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
...and it stayed broken untill today.
Instead of putting {{subst:WikiProject|projectname}} I for some very stupid reason, I put {{WikiProject}}
Once I finally got an answer, it wasn't help but scorn, rejection and dismissal. That really hurt. I didn't go near the admins or devs for eight months! That's a very subtle and dangerous form of tyranny and I'm determined not to let it happen again...
At least m:Not on MY shift! I'm now a trainer at WP:NCH :)
What I was getting is on display at Wikipedia:WikiProject Earth.
Back to [1] :
I think a higher-priority question is Why are there so many Orphaned WikiProjects? The answer is here somewhere. See the studies:
the WikiProject on Hallucinogens, Entheogens, and Related Topics has very recently been started up; i want to list it here, but don't know where to put it. It was originally conceived as a descendent project of WikiProject Drugs, dealing with one type of drug in an expanded scope- considering not only chemical factors, but also cultural/historical uses, organizing the associated plants, and so on and so forth. So it doesn't fit under that on this listing, as it isn't a project dealing with conventional medicine; it also isn't dealing with alternative medicine or anything else in the sciences. It doesn't really fit under humanities anywhere either . . . so, uh, any suggestions on where this should go? see the project page, categorization page and the categoriziation talk page for more info on the project, and maybe we can figure out where to put this. I'm rather surprised there isn't a general "other" section . . . thanks! -- Heah (talk) 23:51, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
Oh never mind. hmm.Your statement:
It doesn't really fit under humanities anywhere either ...
Is untrue. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Counterculture is your daddy! Quinobi 17:50, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Main article: counterculture
Wikipedia:WikiProject Counterculture
I think we should have a WikiProject that aims to correct links that lead to disambiguation pages etc. -- Jawr256 09:03, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
A bit of reorg is clearly needed as the original page was getting very messy. The list of WPrjs and the "why"/"how-to" do not belong together - people usually aren't looking for both at the same time. I've taken initial steps to split out the list from the "how-to", but my approach isn't necessarily best. (It's easy enough to rearange though).
Thoughts anyone? Manning 10:41, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
No need to apologise, things get chaotic all the time. Let's work to straighten it all out. Here are my thoughts:
Cheers Manning 21:59, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
OK I'd like to clarify, then, the possible value of WikiProjectCentral:
I propose:
I hope this makes sense and can be a help to increase the energy and self-organization level of Wikiprojects au generale and not a hinderance or point of contention. But hey! I'm easy to get along with. If ya'll think this is just a nuesance, let me know and I'll just drop it. A placeholder for the page is already there. Please let me know what you think of these proposals. TIA Quinobi 18:41, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
Sounds good - give it a day or two to see if anyone else decides to give a voice and then lets do it. Cheers Manning 22:13, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
This discussion thread is related to the statement on the main page: "Generally you should have at least 5-10 people involved before a Wikiproject structure makes any sense and adds any value. If you don't think you'll get at least 5-10 people on board, then don't waste your effort - you'll be better off just writing your articles."
This was added to Before_you_begin section by Tobias Conradi on 06:07, 3 August 2005. JesseW 01:32, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
I think the five people idea is silly. =) The whole idea of a Wiki is that you put something up and someone comes later and changes it later. This includes Wikiprojects. You put up a wikiproject and other people will read and edit eventually. There are Wikipedia articles where one person contributed to it years ago and still haven't been edited. That's what Wiki means. If we want to change that, then they won't be WIKIprojects. The projects aren't coordinating five people in a single moment, they're about coordinating an aspect of wikipedia for an indefinite period of time. That's why we took out the "inactive project" structure from wikiprojects months ago. [Edit, but that's the whole idea. Different people looked at the same thing and did things a different way months later.] I don't even know why we have listed contributors as the contributors can be seen in the edit history and talk page. =D -- Sketchee 03:18, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a WikiProject that has been completed, in the sense of having had a stated scope and goals and having met those goals in such a way that the project could be inactivated as a result of success rather than a lack of interested resource? Courtland 16:19, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
I've created a new page, Wikipedia:List of inactive WikiProjects, to allow inactives to be moved off the main list page without loss of much information. I've also added to each major section on the main list page a section "Inactives" that has a link to this new page as well as a plain text title listing of the WikiProjects from that section which appear on the inactives listing. I've reworded a section of the introduction of the main listing page to indicate that the new page exists and stating clearly that a WikiProject need not stay inactive or active but can switch back and forth over time and that items on the Inactives page could be brought back to the Actives page. This reasoning supports the addition of meta-data to the entries on the inactives list, which I've preserved when moving an item from the actives to the inactives list; I've also preserved the hierarchical position so that the item can just be cut and pasted back into the actives if desired. This has allowed the retirement of the red-*I and red-*D codes which were meant to highlight items on the Actives page. Courtland 16:24, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
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Request for comment: I adapted the project notices for talk pages for two categories: Category:Webcomics and Category:Cycling. Might this help attract attention to the projects, if they're linked prominently in the main category? Or perhaps in all the decendant categories too? -- Christopherlin 03:07, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
I've taken more than a passing interest in Portal:Biology, Portal:Technology, and Portal:Science. I'm more interested in working on content than presentation/style, though, so I could really use some people to go look at these portals and fix up all of the content issues. Biology, especially, is still using the old portal format (not the box-header stuff). Thanks in advance for your help! -- Cyde Weys vote talk 00:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
As the original creator of the Wikiproject concept, perhaps some history might be useful, particularly as the comment about "5-10 users" derives from my original proposal.
I coined the term Wikiproject back in the days (Sept or Oct 2001) when Wikipedia was still completely chaotic. What's more, we had a user (Cunctator) who would launch into a massive flame war if anyone ever attempted to put any form of structure into the 'pedia (Cunctator ultimately drove Larry Sanger over the edge). Hence when I drafted the original proposal I was very cautious to point out that this idea was to simply assist the coordination of the efforts of a group of people. The motivation for the proposal was the tremendous difficulty we were having getting consistency for the "Countries of the World" articles.
However, understand this was back in the days when there were no more than 25-30 regular editors (and you could still find topics like "Princess Diana" and "trombone" for which there was no article), so finding 5-10 people who might contribute was far from a certain thing. Also, in those days the body of editors was far more tight-knit: it was reasonable to know every other editor.
Nowadays the editorial community is much larger and far more impersonal (not a bad thing, just the natural consequence of growth). Consequently, it is more reasonable to embark on a Wikiproject as there is a good chance that someone will turn up at some stage. Certainly some projects will appear inactive at some stages, but the odds of editors turning up at some point in time is much better.
My point is, I don't feel that the "5-10 users" comment has the same significance and relevance that it had back in 2001. A simple emphasis that creating a Wikiproject involves a degree of overhead should be sufficient.
Regards Manning 23:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi! As a member of the recently initiated Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles I've been putting some effort into creating tables to classify all the articles (taking a page from Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America) because there are a LOT of articles and it seems like knowing where we stand would help. Is this a common practice in projects that relate to topics with large numbers of articles? I've been creating the tables mostly by hand or with some light search/replace in UltraEdit using WP:AWB output. Are there better ways? ( could write some perl to trawl the category sql dump looking for Beatles relevant categories and getting the articles from them, and build the tables that way, and had considered that, actually ) If people DO do this, how to handle articles in multiple categories? I would have asked on .../Best practices but there wasn't any talk there. Thoughts? Comments? Brickbats? Large stacks of small bills? ++ Lar: t/ c 04:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
OK more on this. Although I am not QUITE ready to go public with a generic solution (and may never be) if your project wants to do classification but is daunted by the work in generating tables like these Wikipedia:WikiProject_The_Beatles/Article_Classification, or Wikipedia:WikiProject_Indigenous_peoples_of_North_America#Partial_list_of_pages_covered_by_the_project I have a tool that I can run for you to generate these tables. It is driven by categories. I am interested in doing this for a few projects (you can see an example of what it generates at User:Lar/Sandbox2). To use it you need to know what categories the articles your project is interested in classifying are. Either make up a table like this one: Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Categories on a page somewhere and let me know where, or give me a text list of categories. If you're interested, drop me a message on my talk page with the name of the project and the name of the subpage where you would like the classification info placed. What I find out doing this for the first few projects to respond will be used to improve the tool. Suggestions where else to publicise this accepted as well. ++ Lar: t/ c 18:13, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi all. Zhigangsuo is a pretty new user, and he seems to still be learning about Wikipedia. I migrated a project he created in the mainspace to Wikipedia:WikiProject Genealogy of Mechanicians. If anyone wanted to help keep an eye on his contributions and offer assistance when needed, I would appreciate it (he probably would as well). ~ MDD 46 96 21:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Hello! I hoped ppl working on this project might help me in digging out a peice of information Ive been searching in wiki and the net in general for a while with not much success, which could even be of some relevance to this project, regarding alternative education. I remember hearing it often mentioned that university reforms and lack of 'progressive' educational methods in them being a significant part of the complaints of the students in 68' France, but cannot find much detail - about specific alternatives that were advocated then. I also mention this cuz I percieve an americacentric bias of much of wikipedia, present in many articles , and certanly in many articles of this project too, so I hoped to bring some attention to this fact as well... -- Aryah 21:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
If there is only a boilerplate/template saying "WikiProject etc" in a discussion page, wouldn't it be helpful if the programming made it so that anything written between " {{ }} " would not flag a page for content? So that it would keep a page discussion tab "red" and users would know that there is no discussion to click the tab for? Nagelfar 16:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Don't know if this is the right place to post this, but would anyone, particularly those in Dutchess County, New York be interested on helping me with the county routes in that county? There are about 100 of them, and I have neither the time nor the information to write a nice, big, article on all of them. Would anyone be interested in helping me? http://www.empirestateroads.com/cr/crdutchess.html was very helpful. Smartyshoe 22:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Did "WikiProject Central" (see discussions #WikiProject WikiProject and #WikiProjectCentral above) ever happen? There was a flurry of activity on this topic in July ( Template:WikiProject overhaul and m:Wikiproject_group creation), but there hasn't been any unified effort to standardize WikiProjects since then. Wikipedia:WikiProjectCentral reverts to this project page now.
I've contributed to several projects in the past, although not extensively (see my user page for examples). I get frustrated easily as I begin working on a project because documentation and a common process always seems to be lacking; yes, this is the nature of Wikipedia, but this is also why I'm writing this call for help!
Is Wikipedia:WikiProject a WikiProject in itself? If so, I think we need to follow our own Suggestions for new projects (identifying scope, to-do list, goals, etc.). It would be helpful to have a group of people that not only answers people's questions about WikiProjects, but also standardizes the style of WikiProject pages and clarifies its purpose. For example, while the Template:WikiProject is quite extensive, a lot of the sections on it seem redundant; its talk page would do well to describe what each area means. It would also be helpful to review and update the various WikiProject pages across sister projects.
Please add your name to the Participants list and a one-phrase introduction of why you'd like to help out with something like this. If we don't have more than two or three people dedicated to this, I don't think it would be worth doing an overhaul. Use Discussion for more details.
Why in the world would we want to standardize WikiProjects? Each one (at least of the highly active ones) has been working in whatever fashion is most appropriate, given its topic area and editor force; trying to force them all into a single form is likely to be more harmful than not. Kirill Lok s h in 00:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I've just created my first two WikiProjects WP:AZTEC and WP:Pre-Columbian. I have to say that I *HATE* the template [[Template:WikiProject]]. It has all sorts of stuff that I can't foresee using anytime in the near future.
So, before I created my second WikiProject ( WP:Pre-Columbian), I took the first WikiProject ( WP:AZTEC) and made it into a WikiProject template called Template:WikiProject (short).
Please check it out and tell me what you think. I would like to put a link to this template on Wikipedia:WikiProject as an alternative to (or even possibly replacing) [[Template:WikiProject]].
Please tell me what you think of [[Template:WikiProject (short)]]. I hate the name of the template. If you can think of a better one, please let me know.
-- Richard 08:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
How about making it a standard that all the main Wikiprojects display a trophy box on their project page? That is, a table displaying all the featued article a project has spawned, like on WP:Chem. It seems to me as an interesting an informative peice of information, that could spur on a healthy competion, further increasing the output of the projects. mastodon 12:55, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Here's a question that you probably don't get everyday. :)
If a person were considering reviving an inactive Wikiproject, would be it considered acceptable to move the project, if it had a problematic name?
I realize that might sound silly, but a person might want to do this with a wikiproject that never got off the ground, either to minorly tweak the group's focus, or to make the name, say, shorter, for purposes of better promoting it the second time around. Also, if this is allowable, would be considered an uncontroversial move?
Or would it just be better to go ahead and start a similar project and not worry about the dead one?
This is a shamless request for membership. We hope to improve the articles related to American animation, including the use of an infobox for short Looney Tunes and Mickey Mouse types of cartoon films. If you're interested, pelase join us! -- FuriousFreddy 04:03, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
WikiProject Broadway has been recently renamed Wikiproject Musicals, but it is still parented by WikiProject New York Theatre. The thrust behind the name change is that the focus of the project tended to be toward musicals: as they tend to have productions all over the world, the previous name was misleading. Having the parent of Wikiproject New York Theater is also limiting, and I was thinking of moving it up a level under WikiProject Theatre. I think it would probably help our membership slightly, but does it really matter? Should I decide to do so, what would the process be? Would I have to talk to Wikiproject Theatre or just go ahead and switch some links around? — Music Maker 04:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey! Why cant you start a Wikiproject Bosnia and Herzegovina? I can write a lot there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hahahihihoho ( talk • contribs)
Just wanted to give you a heads up if you see WikiProject proposals that are about biographies, i.e. Kings and Queens of X or Shopkeepers of Y that WikiProject Biography has been reorganized and are creating task forces a la Military history project and can fold them into our Meta project. Saves resources, etc... plange 16:57, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, as far as I know there is no Wikiproject for the United States. There are however tons of articles with US only issues, several cetegories and a almost completely unmaintained portal. A Wiki project would be ideal for US articles. I don't know if this is the right place to vioce the idea but I welcome any input or suggestions. Signature brendel 23:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
The Wikiproject group at meta has some ideas for improving the WikiProject way of doing things via a new Template:Wikiproject (currently redirects to Template:WikiProject).
The new template will hopefully foster better coordination between languages, topics and sister projects, as well as the integration of WP:1 assessments and the like. There may even be a way to incorpoate some more useful metadata into the template.
Please have a look and participate in the discussion there if you have the time and inclination. Thanks! CQ ( talk · contribs) • 18:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
i am thinking of starting a wikiproject, once i have started the wikiproject can i put it on my own website(remote loading) or should i link it to the wikiproject article that is on wikipedia.com, of coruse proper citation of credits to wikipedia will be given in both isntance.
i am jsut asking so that i don't break any rules and get listed on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks
CQ +800gmt 22:02 WST Saturday, August 12, 2006
Thanks for the reply. my group member thought of using remote loading to fetch all the data from wikipedia and show it at our website. i guess his basis for it is to make everythign central and to have people knowledgable in the project to help edit the article too. any reply is appreciated
The Section on joining doesn't tell you how to join. I would like to join a Wikiproject that I have seen, but as a relative newcomer I don't know how to do so. neilj
Hi!! Though there are couple of sites like infoplease and worldometer, I think it would be a great idea to start a wikiproject. havent found anything relevant to this as of now here. I think this can be just collating data and statistics than an extrapolation like worldometer does. Data like world population,male-female ratio, number of cars being built, world GDP, country GDP, even growth of GDP can be put with cross-refernces.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sriks8 ( talk • contribs) 08:42, 10 September 2006
-- Steven Fruitsmaak ( Reply) 12:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
As the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory is already an all-too-brief table that requires a drill-down to get to the actual lists, is it really necessary to add another drill-down from the WikiProject page? Couldn't the top-level table just be merged into Wikipedia:WikiProject? Thanks. — RJH ( talk) 23:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Is this page the redirect for Wikipedia:WikiProject Canaanite languages? Badbilltucker 22:12, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Have any WikiProjects started up on radio programmes? Simply south 17:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Is there a WikiProject on Africa? Many African pages need to be imroved. XYZ CrVo 03:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Is there a renaissance wikiproject? This seems important enough to merit one, yet, I can't seem to find it. Could someone direct me to it, or to the closest thing there is? Samboha 23:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I am not sure if it is appropriate to bring Wikipedia:WikiProject Philmont Scout Ranch up for deletion, but it only has five members and 19 articles. I have no idea where guidance might be for such a thing. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 20:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Where was the "Let it Burn" (Usher- 2004) music video shot? More specifically, what was the location of the cemetery scene? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.213.88.141 ( talk) 18:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
I'd found Template:CatDiscuss and Template:CatMaintain and (aside from they seem to be named backwards) wasn't entirely happy with them for WProj purposes. So for your WikiProjectifying pleasure:
These can come in handy for when your project is overhauling a messy bunch of categories, or if people keep doing boneheaded things in them even after you've cleaned it up. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 12:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
[3] -- NE2 02:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
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Is it just me or does the title WikiProject seem redundant and unnecessary? We already know that if it is in the Wikipedia: space then it is a MetaWiki page.
On another note, I think it is time to archive these discussions - except the active ones. Moogle 06:08, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Some WikiProjects are said by some users to be inappropriate (possibly because of POV-pushing, or being a personal attack magnet). Is it possible for a WikiProject to be inappropriate? If so, what are the criteria, and how do we decide? What should we do with said projects?
Please join the discussion on Wikipedia:Wikiproject/Inappropriate projects.
Radiant _* 11:03, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
I've just had someone revert my link to Wikipedia:WikiProject Formula One in the {{ F1-stub}}, citing a prior, similar, revert by User:Rdsmith4 with the edit summary "WikiProject shouldn't be linked from the article namespace". Given that a ton of stubs have links to relevant WikiProjects (IMO, a good thing), and that I can't find any precedent here or at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting, I'm reverting, but I would like some clarification if there is anything wrong. [Crossposted to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting and Wikipedia talk:Stub sorting policy ] - SoM 15:46, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I take it that there is likely a general guideline suggesting that links should not lead from the main article namespace into the Wikipedia namespace, but I wouldn't think that would be applied to WikiProject-related pages owing to the desire to attract souls to contribute to those activities. Am I thinking along lines of consensus here? Courtland 12:57, 2005 May 24 (UTC)
Might there be a central wikiproject for starting/ helping new wikiprojects? - SV| t 23:45, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
...and it stayed broken untill today.
Instead of putting {{subst:WikiProject|projectname}} I for some very stupid reason, I put {{WikiProject}}
Once I finally got an answer, it wasn't help but scorn, rejection and dismissal. That really hurt. I didn't go near the admins or devs for eight months! That's a very subtle and dangerous form of tyranny and I'm determined not to let it happen again...
At least m:Not on MY shift! I'm now a trainer at WP:NCH :)
What I was getting is on display at Wikipedia:WikiProject Earth.
Back to [1] :
I think a higher-priority question is Why are there so many Orphaned WikiProjects? The answer is here somewhere. See the studies:
the WikiProject on Hallucinogens, Entheogens, and Related Topics has very recently been started up; i want to list it here, but don't know where to put it. It was originally conceived as a descendent project of WikiProject Drugs, dealing with one type of drug in an expanded scope- considering not only chemical factors, but also cultural/historical uses, organizing the associated plants, and so on and so forth. So it doesn't fit under that on this listing, as it isn't a project dealing with conventional medicine; it also isn't dealing with alternative medicine or anything else in the sciences. It doesn't really fit under humanities anywhere either . . . so, uh, any suggestions on where this should go? see the project page, categorization page and the categoriziation talk page for more info on the project, and maybe we can figure out where to put this. I'm rather surprised there isn't a general "other" section . . . thanks! -- Heah (talk) 23:51, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
Oh never mind. hmm.Your statement:
It doesn't really fit under humanities anywhere either ...
Is untrue. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Counterculture is your daddy! Quinobi 17:50, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Main article: counterculture
Wikipedia:WikiProject Counterculture
I think we should have a WikiProject that aims to correct links that lead to disambiguation pages etc. -- Jawr256 09:03, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
A bit of reorg is clearly needed as the original page was getting very messy. The list of WPrjs and the "why"/"how-to" do not belong together - people usually aren't looking for both at the same time. I've taken initial steps to split out the list from the "how-to", but my approach isn't necessarily best. (It's easy enough to rearange though).
Thoughts anyone? Manning 10:41, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
No need to apologise, things get chaotic all the time. Let's work to straighten it all out. Here are my thoughts:
Cheers Manning 21:59, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
OK I'd like to clarify, then, the possible value of WikiProjectCentral:
I propose:
I hope this makes sense and can be a help to increase the energy and self-organization level of Wikiprojects au generale and not a hinderance or point of contention. But hey! I'm easy to get along with. If ya'll think this is just a nuesance, let me know and I'll just drop it. A placeholder for the page is already there. Please let me know what you think of these proposals. TIA Quinobi 18:41, 20 July 2005 (UTC)
Sounds good - give it a day or two to see if anyone else decides to give a voice and then lets do it. Cheers Manning 22:13, July 20, 2005 (UTC)
This discussion thread is related to the statement on the main page: "Generally you should have at least 5-10 people involved before a Wikiproject structure makes any sense and adds any value. If you don't think you'll get at least 5-10 people on board, then don't waste your effort - you'll be better off just writing your articles."
This was added to Before_you_begin section by Tobias Conradi on 06:07, 3 August 2005. JesseW 01:32, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
I think the five people idea is silly. =) The whole idea of a Wiki is that you put something up and someone comes later and changes it later. This includes Wikiprojects. You put up a wikiproject and other people will read and edit eventually. There are Wikipedia articles where one person contributed to it years ago and still haven't been edited. That's what Wiki means. If we want to change that, then they won't be WIKIprojects. The projects aren't coordinating five people in a single moment, they're about coordinating an aspect of wikipedia for an indefinite period of time. That's why we took out the "inactive project" structure from wikiprojects months ago. [Edit, but that's the whole idea. Different people looked at the same thing and did things a different way months later.] I don't even know why we have listed contributors as the contributors can be seen in the edit history and talk page. =D -- Sketchee 03:18, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone know of a WikiProject that has been completed, in the sense of having had a stated scope and goals and having met those goals in such a way that the project could be inactivated as a result of success rather than a lack of interested resource? Courtland 16:19, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
I've created a new page, Wikipedia:List of inactive WikiProjects, to allow inactives to be moved off the main list page without loss of much information. I've also added to each major section on the main list page a section "Inactives" that has a link to this new page as well as a plain text title listing of the WikiProjects from that section which appear on the inactives listing. I've reworded a section of the introduction of the main listing page to indicate that the new page exists and stating clearly that a WikiProject need not stay inactive or active but can switch back and forth over time and that items on the Inactives page could be brought back to the Actives page. This reasoning supports the addition of meta-data to the entries on the inactives list, which I've preserved when moving an item from the actives to the inactives list; I've also preserved the hierarchical position so that the item can just be cut and pasted back into the actives if desired. This has allowed the retirement of the red-*I and red-*D codes which were meant to highlight items on the Actives page. Courtland 16:24, August 13, 2005 (UTC)
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Request for comment: I adapted the project notices for talk pages for two categories: Category:Webcomics and Category:Cycling. Might this help attract attention to the projects, if they're linked prominently in the main category? Or perhaps in all the decendant categories too? -- Christopherlin 03:07, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
I've taken more than a passing interest in Portal:Biology, Portal:Technology, and Portal:Science. I'm more interested in working on content than presentation/style, though, so I could really use some people to go look at these portals and fix up all of the content issues. Biology, especially, is still using the old portal format (not the box-header stuff). Thanks in advance for your help! -- Cyde Weys vote talk 00:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
As the original creator of the Wikiproject concept, perhaps some history might be useful, particularly as the comment about "5-10 users" derives from my original proposal.
I coined the term Wikiproject back in the days (Sept or Oct 2001) when Wikipedia was still completely chaotic. What's more, we had a user (Cunctator) who would launch into a massive flame war if anyone ever attempted to put any form of structure into the 'pedia (Cunctator ultimately drove Larry Sanger over the edge). Hence when I drafted the original proposal I was very cautious to point out that this idea was to simply assist the coordination of the efforts of a group of people. The motivation for the proposal was the tremendous difficulty we were having getting consistency for the "Countries of the World" articles.
However, understand this was back in the days when there were no more than 25-30 regular editors (and you could still find topics like "Princess Diana" and "trombone" for which there was no article), so finding 5-10 people who might contribute was far from a certain thing. Also, in those days the body of editors was far more tight-knit: it was reasonable to know every other editor.
Nowadays the editorial community is much larger and far more impersonal (not a bad thing, just the natural consequence of growth). Consequently, it is more reasonable to embark on a Wikiproject as there is a good chance that someone will turn up at some stage. Certainly some projects will appear inactive at some stages, but the odds of editors turning up at some point in time is much better.
My point is, I don't feel that the "5-10 users" comment has the same significance and relevance that it had back in 2001. A simple emphasis that creating a Wikiproject involves a degree of overhead should be sufficient.
Regards Manning 23:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi! As a member of the recently initiated Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles I've been putting some effort into creating tables to classify all the articles (taking a page from Wikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America) because there are a LOT of articles and it seems like knowing where we stand would help. Is this a common practice in projects that relate to topics with large numbers of articles? I've been creating the tables mostly by hand or with some light search/replace in UltraEdit using WP:AWB output. Are there better ways? ( could write some perl to trawl the category sql dump looking for Beatles relevant categories and getting the articles from them, and build the tables that way, and had considered that, actually ) If people DO do this, how to handle articles in multiple categories? I would have asked on .../Best practices but there wasn't any talk there. Thoughts? Comments? Brickbats? Large stacks of small bills? ++ Lar: t/ c 04:19, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
OK more on this. Although I am not QUITE ready to go public with a generic solution (and may never be) if your project wants to do classification but is daunted by the work in generating tables like these Wikipedia:WikiProject_The_Beatles/Article_Classification, or Wikipedia:WikiProject_Indigenous_peoples_of_North_America#Partial_list_of_pages_covered_by_the_project I have a tool that I can run for you to generate these tables. It is driven by categories. I am interested in doing this for a few projects (you can see an example of what it generates at User:Lar/Sandbox2). To use it you need to know what categories the articles your project is interested in classifying are. Either make up a table like this one: Wikipedia:WikiProject The Beatles/Categories on a page somewhere and let me know where, or give me a text list of categories. If you're interested, drop me a message on my talk page with the name of the project and the name of the subpage where you would like the classification info placed. What I find out doing this for the first few projects to respond will be used to improve the tool. Suggestions where else to publicise this accepted as well. ++ Lar: t/ c 18:13, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi all. Zhigangsuo is a pretty new user, and he seems to still be learning about Wikipedia. I migrated a project he created in the mainspace to Wikipedia:WikiProject Genealogy of Mechanicians. If anyone wanted to help keep an eye on his contributions and offer assistance when needed, I would appreciate it (he probably would as well). ~ MDD 46 96 21:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Hello! I hoped ppl working on this project might help me in digging out a peice of information Ive been searching in wiki and the net in general for a while with not much success, which could even be of some relevance to this project, regarding alternative education. I remember hearing it often mentioned that university reforms and lack of 'progressive' educational methods in them being a significant part of the complaints of the students in 68' France, but cannot find much detail - about specific alternatives that were advocated then. I also mention this cuz I percieve an americacentric bias of much of wikipedia, present in many articles , and certanly in many articles of this project too, so I hoped to bring some attention to this fact as well... -- Aryah 21:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
If there is only a boilerplate/template saying "WikiProject etc" in a discussion page, wouldn't it be helpful if the programming made it so that anything written between " {{ }} " would not flag a page for content? So that it would keep a page discussion tab "red" and users would know that there is no discussion to click the tab for? Nagelfar 16:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Don't know if this is the right place to post this, but would anyone, particularly those in Dutchess County, New York be interested on helping me with the county routes in that county? There are about 100 of them, and I have neither the time nor the information to write a nice, big, article on all of them. Would anyone be interested in helping me? http://www.empirestateroads.com/cr/crdutchess.html was very helpful. Smartyshoe 22:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Did "WikiProject Central" (see discussions #WikiProject WikiProject and #WikiProjectCentral above) ever happen? There was a flurry of activity on this topic in July ( Template:WikiProject overhaul and m:Wikiproject_group creation), but there hasn't been any unified effort to standardize WikiProjects since then. Wikipedia:WikiProjectCentral reverts to this project page now.
I've contributed to several projects in the past, although not extensively (see my user page for examples). I get frustrated easily as I begin working on a project because documentation and a common process always seems to be lacking; yes, this is the nature of Wikipedia, but this is also why I'm writing this call for help!
Is Wikipedia:WikiProject a WikiProject in itself? If so, I think we need to follow our own Suggestions for new projects (identifying scope, to-do list, goals, etc.). It would be helpful to have a group of people that not only answers people's questions about WikiProjects, but also standardizes the style of WikiProject pages and clarifies its purpose. For example, while the Template:WikiProject is quite extensive, a lot of the sections on it seem redundant; its talk page would do well to describe what each area means. It would also be helpful to review and update the various WikiProject pages across sister projects.
Please add your name to the Participants list and a one-phrase introduction of why you'd like to help out with something like this. If we don't have more than two or three people dedicated to this, I don't think it would be worth doing an overhaul. Use Discussion for more details.
Why in the world would we want to standardize WikiProjects? Each one (at least of the highly active ones) has been working in whatever fashion is most appropriate, given its topic area and editor force; trying to force them all into a single form is likely to be more harmful than not. Kirill Lok s h in 00:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I've just created my first two WikiProjects WP:AZTEC and WP:Pre-Columbian. I have to say that I *HATE* the template [[Template:WikiProject]]. It has all sorts of stuff that I can't foresee using anytime in the near future.
So, before I created my second WikiProject ( WP:Pre-Columbian), I took the first WikiProject ( WP:AZTEC) and made it into a WikiProject template called Template:WikiProject (short).
Please check it out and tell me what you think. I would like to put a link to this template on Wikipedia:WikiProject as an alternative to (or even possibly replacing) [[Template:WikiProject]].
Please tell me what you think of [[Template:WikiProject (short)]]. I hate the name of the template. If you can think of a better one, please let me know.
-- Richard 08:27, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
How about making it a standard that all the main Wikiprojects display a trophy box on their project page? That is, a table displaying all the featued article a project has spawned, like on WP:Chem. It seems to me as an interesting an informative peice of information, that could spur on a healthy competion, further increasing the output of the projects. mastodon 12:55, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Here's a question that you probably don't get everyday. :)
If a person were considering reviving an inactive Wikiproject, would be it considered acceptable to move the project, if it had a problematic name?
I realize that might sound silly, but a person might want to do this with a wikiproject that never got off the ground, either to minorly tweak the group's focus, or to make the name, say, shorter, for purposes of better promoting it the second time around. Also, if this is allowable, would be considered an uncontroversial move?
Or would it just be better to go ahead and start a similar project and not worry about the dead one?
This is a shamless request for membership. We hope to improve the articles related to American animation, including the use of an infobox for short Looney Tunes and Mickey Mouse types of cartoon films. If you're interested, pelase join us! -- FuriousFreddy 04:03, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
WikiProject Broadway has been recently renamed Wikiproject Musicals, but it is still parented by WikiProject New York Theatre. The thrust behind the name change is that the focus of the project tended to be toward musicals: as they tend to have productions all over the world, the previous name was misleading. Having the parent of Wikiproject New York Theater is also limiting, and I was thinking of moving it up a level under WikiProject Theatre. I think it would probably help our membership slightly, but does it really matter? Should I decide to do so, what would the process be? Would I have to talk to Wikiproject Theatre or just go ahead and switch some links around? — Music Maker 04:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey! Why cant you start a Wikiproject Bosnia and Herzegovina? I can write a lot there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hahahihihoho ( talk • contribs)
Just wanted to give you a heads up if you see WikiProject proposals that are about biographies, i.e. Kings and Queens of X or Shopkeepers of Y that WikiProject Biography has been reorganized and are creating task forces a la Military history project and can fold them into our Meta project. Saves resources, etc... plange 16:57, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, as far as I know there is no Wikiproject for the United States. There are however tons of articles with US only issues, several cetegories and a almost completely unmaintained portal. A Wiki project would be ideal for US articles. I don't know if this is the right place to vioce the idea but I welcome any input or suggestions. Signature brendel 23:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
The Wikiproject group at meta has some ideas for improving the WikiProject way of doing things via a new Template:Wikiproject (currently redirects to Template:WikiProject).
The new template will hopefully foster better coordination between languages, topics and sister projects, as well as the integration of WP:1 assessments and the like. There may even be a way to incorpoate some more useful metadata into the template.
Please have a look and participate in the discussion there if you have the time and inclination. Thanks! CQ ( talk · contribs) • 18:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
i am thinking of starting a wikiproject, once i have started the wikiproject can i put it on my own website(remote loading) or should i link it to the wikiproject article that is on wikipedia.com, of coruse proper citation of credits to wikipedia will be given in both isntance.
i am jsut asking so that i don't break any rules and get listed on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mirrors_and_forks
CQ +800gmt 22:02 WST Saturday, August 12, 2006
Thanks for the reply. my group member thought of using remote loading to fetch all the data from wikipedia and show it at our website. i guess his basis for it is to make everythign central and to have people knowledgable in the project to help edit the article too. any reply is appreciated
The Section on joining doesn't tell you how to join. I would like to join a Wikiproject that I have seen, but as a relative newcomer I don't know how to do so. neilj
Hi!! Though there are couple of sites like infoplease and worldometer, I think it would be a great idea to start a wikiproject. havent found anything relevant to this as of now here. I think this can be just collating data and statistics than an extrapolation like worldometer does. Data like world population,male-female ratio, number of cars being built, world GDP, country GDP, even growth of GDP can be put with cross-refernces.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sriks8 ( talk • contribs) 08:42, 10 September 2006
-- Steven Fruitsmaak ( Reply) 12:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
As the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory is already an all-too-brief table that requires a drill-down to get to the actual lists, is it really necessary to add another drill-down from the WikiProject page? Couldn't the top-level table just be merged into Wikipedia:WikiProject? Thanks. — RJH ( talk) 23:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Is this page the redirect for Wikipedia:WikiProject Canaanite languages? Badbilltucker 22:12, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Have any WikiProjects started up on radio programmes? Simply south 17:05, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Is there a WikiProject on Africa? Many African pages need to be imroved. XYZ CrVo 03:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Is there a renaissance wikiproject? This seems important enough to merit one, yet, I can't seem to find it. Could someone direct me to it, or to the closest thing there is? Samboha 23:53, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I am not sure if it is appropriate to bring Wikipedia:WikiProject Philmont Scout Ranch up for deletion, but it only has five members and 19 articles. I have no idea where guidance might be for such a thing. -- Chris Griswold ( ☎ ☓) 20:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Where was the "Let it Burn" (Usher- 2004) music video shot? More specifically, what was the location of the cemetery scene? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 151.213.88.141 ( talk) 18:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC).
I'd found Template:CatDiscuss and Template:CatMaintain and (aside from they seem to be named backwards) wasn't entirely happy with them for WProj purposes. So for your WikiProjectifying pleasure:
These can come in handy for when your project is overhauling a messy bunch of categories, or if people keep doing boneheaded things in them even after you've cleaned it up. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 12:32, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
[3] -- NE2 02:26, 20 December 2006 (UTC)