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Please tell me if this is in the wrong place. I live with a motor neurone disease but I am not defined by living with a motor neurone disease, I am defined by being a person. I was shocked upon reading the page on Colour blindness that within 5 lines of the start of the article the ableist social convention that defines people as their problem and not as people appears in the form 'the colorblind automatically develop...' These are people first and colour blindness is a secondary attribute, so we should always be aiming at modern best practice which is to use 'people who live with colour blindness...' or 'people who are colourblind...' or 'those who are...'. The section entitled 'Effects' starts 'A colorblind subject...' and in the same sentence has 'the colourblind...'. They are not scientific specimens as 'subject' suggests, nor are they a problem as 'the colourblind' suggests. These are living, breathing people not objects, so I am certain that there must be a place for this discussion but cannot find it and thus put it here. Please forgive me, I am English and have used colour throughout this paragraph, but absolutely accept the the American spelling, color, is acceptable throughout Wikipedia. DrRickZTTwo ( talk) 11:59, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
I just read this wikiproject page and perused the talk page. Are there guidelines for formatting to accommodate users who might have low vision issues (not actually blind, and not using any accommodative technology)?
I have poor eyesight (that's all I'm going to say on it) and, as examples, I like a lot of whitespace (glossary style rather than bulleted lists which present as walls of text), no unnecessary table formats (difficult to edit), and simpler images which show the subject (rather than 'busy' images which contain the subject but are hard to distinguish).
I haven't found any policies that suggest these ideas. Currently I'm dealing with swapping out images for better, simpler ones, but occasionally run into someone who wants to keep their favorite photos on display. A policy would be nice to support my changes. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 02:24, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
I'm curious if there is a Wikipedia-specific tool/gadget people can use to check a page's accessibility. I know other communities have specific tools/gadgets to make their jobs easier. For example, Did You Know...? (DYK), has something that with a single click analyzes the page for various factors to help determine eligibility for DYK. There's also the Edward Betts 'tool' for finding links to articles (often used to help orphaned articles) or check I'm wondering if there's something similar so users can quickly check the accessibility of a page and learn how to fix it, kind of like the "Check accessibility" feature in Microsoft Word. Significa liberdade (she/her) ( talk) 20:44, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
I came up with a great way to convey that a drug has a critical FDA-mandated black-box warning: the word "Warning" in a black box. See User:RudolfoMD/sandbox2. Great for sighted folks, that is. Is there a way to specify alt text for the math tag to be used or otherwise make the warning more accessible? Didn't find anything at Help:Displaying a formula; could use some guidance. I want to add this to so it appears in the infobox of hundreds of articles. T.I.A. RudolfoMD ( talk) 09:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
aria-labelledby="MathJax-SVG-1-Title">
- <title id="MathJax-SVG-1-Title">{\displaystyle {\begin{array}{|}\hline W\!ARNING\\\hline \end{array}}}</title>
<defs aria-hidden="true">
The whole source (only possibly worth reading, and so collapsed and thus certainly not worth the effort of beautifully formatting it but wikignome Redrose64 did so anyway :-) ). (I wonder if a template exists/could be made to such problems without the use of the obscure syntaxhighlight thing.
Seems like it; can't tell.)
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<a href="/wiki/Boxed_warning" title=""><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle {\begin{array}{|}\hline W\!ARNING\\\hline \end{array}}}">
<semantics>
<mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD">
<mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0">
<mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD">
<mtable columnalign="" rowspacing="4pt" columnspacing="1em" rowlines="" columnlines="" frame="solid">
<mtr>
<mtd>
<mi>W</mi>
<mspace width="negativethinmathspace"></mspace>
<mi>A</mi>
<mi>R</mi>
<mi>N</mi>
<mi>I</mi>
<mi>N</mi>
<mi>G</mi>
</mtd>
</mtr>
</mtable>
</mrow>
</mstyle>
</mrow>
<annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle {\begin{array}{|}\hline W\!ARNING\\\hline \end{array}}}</annotation>
</semantics>
</math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/1735879add6c04cad562b5f3646d25a4ddf3d8bb" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -1.338ex; width:15.29ex; height:3.843ex;" alt="{\displaystyle {\begin{array}{|}\hline W\!ARNING\\\hline \end{array}}}"></span></a>
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Hello,
I always assumed the Template:Skip to talk was primarily for accessibility allowing screen readers to skip past heading content, however when I read the template page, no mention is made of accessibility, so I may very well be under false impressions. Not urgent, but clarification as to its role in accessibility might help the template page. // Timothy :: talk 05:30, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
I noticed that there's a ton of articles tagged with this project's template. Considering this project deals with the accessibility of Wikipedia as a whole rather than improving disability related articles, I was wondering what the best thing to do about it is. KaraLG84 ( talk) 00:35, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
I can't use Vector Wikipedia due to migraines, and redirect to Mobile Wikipedia.
I also switch fonts and increase font sizes due to eye strain. Now Mobile Wikipedia limits many lines to 24 px to 27 px. Which can be awfully cramped. I think Mobile Wikipedia should either revert the change or use a multiple of the users' specified font size. 173.66.17.86 ( talk) 02:27, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Looking thru Category:Cleanup templates, I don't see any tags specifically calling out accessibility issues. I'm thinking that we could have a couple to flag issues with articles like "This article may not have sufficient color contrast" or "This article uses tables lacking semantic data ( captions and scopes)" or "This article uses tables with column headers". This could be useful for users who don't feel confident directly editing complex tables without messing them up or who may not be able to figure out appropriate color contrast themselves. Do others think that a few tags like this would be handy? If so, which other kinds of tags could/should we have? Thanks. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 06:03, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
{{
overcoloured}}
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Redrose64 🌹 (
talk)
22:58, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
There is a proposal at Wikipedia talk:Linter which may be of interest to users here. The idea is track use of images without alt text, and then to surface adding alt text as a suggested "microtask" in the Wikipedia mobile app. the wub "?!" 11:45, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
There is a discussion at
Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Reconsider ellipsis ... vs … preference as to changing Wikipedia's style to change from ...
(three dots) with …
(Unicode ellipsis, U+2026). Please contribute there to help with that discussion. Thank you.
SchreiberBike |
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23:01, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
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WikiProject Accessibility and anything related to its purposes and tasks. |
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Please tell me if this is in the wrong place. I live with a motor neurone disease but I am not defined by living with a motor neurone disease, I am defined by being a person. I was shocked upon reading the page on Colour blindness that within 5 lines of the start of the article the ableist social convention that defines people as their problem and not as people appears in the form 'the colorblind automatically develop...' These are people first and colour blindness is a secondary attribute, so we should always be aiming at modern best practice which is to use 'people who live with colour blindness...' or 'people who are colourblind...' or 'those who are...'. The section entitled 'Effects' starts 'A colorblind subject...' and in the same sentence has 'the colourblind...'. They are not scientific specimens as 'subject' suggests, nor are they a problem as 'the colourblind' suggests. These are living, breathing people not objects, so I am certain that there must be a place for this discussion but cannot find it and thus put it here. Please forgive me, I am English and have used colour throughout this paragraph, but absolutely accept the the American spelling, color, is acceptable throughout Wikipedia. DrRickZTTwo ( talk) 11:59, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
I just read this wikiproject page and perused the talk page. Are there guidelines for formatting to accommodate users who might have low vision issues (not actually blind, and not using any accommodative technology)?
I have poor eyesight (that's all I'm going to say on it) and, as examples, I like a lot of whitespace (glossary style rather than bulleted lists which present as walls of text), no unnecessary table formats (difficult to edit), and simpler images which show the subject (rather than 'busy' images which contain the subject but are hard to distinguish).
I haven't found any policies that suggest these ideas. Currently I'm dealing with swapping out images for better, simpler ones, but occasionally run into someone who wants to keep their favorite photos on display. A policy would be nice to support my changes. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 02:24, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
I'm curious if there is a Wikipedia-specific tool/gadget people can use to check a page's accessibility. I know other communities have specific tools/gadgets to make their jobs easier. For example, Did You Know...? (DYK), has something that with a single click analyzes the page for various factors to help determine eligibility for DYK. There's also the Edward Betts 'tool' for finding links to articles (often used to help orphaned articles) or check I'm wondering if there's something similar so users can quickly check the accessibility of a page and learn how to fix it, kind of like the "Check accessibility" feature in Microsoft Word. Significa liberdade (she/her) ( talk) 20:44, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
I came up with a great way to convey that a drug has a critical FDA-mandated black-box warning: the word "Warning" in a black box. See User:RudolfoMD/sandbox2. Great for sighted folks, that is. Is there a way to specify alt text for the math tag to be used or otherwise make the warning more accessible? Didn't find anything at Help:Displaying a formula; could use some guidance. I want to add this to so it appears in the infobox of hundreds of articles. T.I.A. RudolfoMD ( talk) 09:18, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
aria-labelledby="MathJax-SVG-1-Title">
- <title id="MathJax-SVG-1-Title">{\displaystyle {\begin{array}{|}\hline W\!ARNING\\\hline \end{array}}}</title>
<defs aria-hidden="true">
The whole source (only possibly worth reading, and so collapsed and thus certainly not worth the effort of beautifully formatting it but wikignome Redrose64 did so anyway :-) ). (I wonder if a template exists/could be made to such problems without the use of the obscure syntaxhighlight thing.
Seems like it; can't tell.)
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<a href="/wiki/Boxed_warning" title=""><span class="mwe-math-element"><span class="mwe-math-mathml-inline mwe-math-mathml-a11y" style="display: none;"><math xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML" alttext="{\displaystyle {\begin{array}{|}\hline W\!ARNING\\\hline \end{array}}}">
<semantics>
<mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD">
<mstyle displaystyle="true" scriptlevel="0">
<mrow class="MJX-TeXAtom-ORD">
<mtable columnalign="" rowspacing="4pt" columnspacing="1em" rowlines="" columnlines="" frame="solid">
<mtr>
<mtd>
<mi>W</mi>
<mspace width="negativethinmathspace"></mspace>
<mi>A</mi>
<mi>R</mi>
<mi>N</mi>
<mi>I</mi>
<mi>N</mi>
<mi>G</mi>
</mtd>
</mtr>
</mtable>
</mrow>
</mstyle>
</mrow>
<annotation encoding="application/x-tex">{\displaystyle {\begin{array}{|}\hline W\!ARNING\\\hline \end{array}}}</annotation>
</semantics>
</math></span><img src="https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/1735879add6c04cad562b5f3646d25a4ddf3d8bb" class="mwe-math-fallback-image-inline mw-invert" aria-hidden="true" style="vertical-align: -1.338ex; width:15.29ex; height:3.843ex;" alt="{\displaystyle {\begin{array}{|}\hline W\!ARNING\\\hline \end{array}}}"></span></a>
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Hello,
I always assumed the Template:Skip to talk was primarily for accessibility allowing screen readers to skip past heading content, however when I read the template page, no mention is made of accessibility, so I may very well be under false impressions. Not urgent, but clarification as to its role in accessibility might help the template page. // Timothy :: talk 05:30, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
I noticed that there's a ton of articles tagged with this project's template. Considering this project deals with the accessibility of Wikipedia as a whole rather than improving disability related articles, I was wondering what the best thing to do about it is. KaraLG84 ( talk) 00:35, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
I can't use Vector Wikipedia due to migraines, and redirect to Mobile Wikipedia.
I also switch fonts and increase font sizes due to eye strain. Now Mobile Wikipedia limits many lines to 24 px to 27 px. Which can be awfully cramped. I think Mobile Wikipedia should either revert the change or use a multiple of the users' specified font size. 173.66.17.86 ( talk) 02:27, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Looking thru Category:Cleanup templates, I don't see any tags specifically calling out accessibility issues. I'm thinking that we could have a couple to flag issues with articles like "This article may not have sufficient color contrast" or "This article uses tables lacking semantic data ( captions and scopes)" or "This article uses tables with column headers". This could be useful for users who don't feel confident directly editing complex tables without messing them up or who may not be able to figure out appropriate color contrast themselves. Do others think that a few tags like this would be handy? If so, which other kinds of tags could/should we have? Thanks. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 06:03, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
{{
overcoloured}}
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Redrose64 🌹 (
talk)
22:58, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
There is a proposal at Wikipedia talk:Linter which may be of interest to users here. The idea is track use of images without alt text, and then to surface adding alt text as a suggested "microtask" in the Wikipedia mobile app. the wub "?!" 11:45, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
There is a discussion at
Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Reconsider ellipsis ... vs … preference as to changing Wikipedia's style to change from ...
(three dots) with …
(Unicode ellipsis, U+2026). Please contribute there to help with that discussion. Thank you.
SchreiberBike |
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23:01, 21 May 2024 (UTC)