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The purpose of this discussion page is to select 50 biographies for which Wikipedia should have high-quality articles. All Wikipedia editors are welcome to participate. Individual topics are proposed for addition or removal, followed by discussion and !voting. Since the list is currently full, it is recommended that a nomination of a new topic be accompanied by a proposal to remove a lower-priority topic already on the list.
All discussions will remain open for a minimum of 7 days.
Nominations should generally be left open beyond the above-listed minimums if they have a reasonable chance of passing. Please be patient with our process. We believe that an informed discussion with more editors is likely to produce an improved and more stable final list. When proposing to add or remove a particular topic from the vital people list, we strongly recommend that you review and compare the other topics in the same category in order to get a better sense of what is considered vital in that area.
Interstellarity, given Leonardo's naturally "limited" impact (on painting and drawing almost exclusively) perhaps Michelangelo (impacted painting, sculpture, architecture and drawing) would be a better choice. Aza24 ( talk) 23:51, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Can you add 3 more people to this list since we are under quota? Thanks, Interstellarity ( talk) 20:42, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
I'd revert this. Socrates is far more influential a figure within philosophy than Plato, who is mainly known for writing Socrates down. Freud was also an excellent pick for an unrepresented domain. Not sure where Gauss was discussed but I don't think we need Gauss and Euler at this level. The sciences are overrepresented. czar 01:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
It seems that it would be too difficult for editors to decice 50 most relevant people topics. Quota of 75 people would probably be more useful. Many participants of Vital articles projects have wished to have a list of 125–150 people and those who famour more minimalistic approach could use the list of 75. Here is a draft version of what it would look like. -- Thi ( talk) 10:47, 9 August 2021 (UTC) Link updated. -- Thi ( talk) 18:19, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
I don't understand why we need three classical and baroque German-speaking composers are needed on the list of top 50 people when Beethoven, the most important musician of history, will suffice just as well. Furthermore, why is Tolstoy on this list of all people? I know Thi said that it was about "representing" a prose writer, but I am honestly tired of people that think we should award placements on this list on the base of "representation." I don't think Tolstoy stands on the same level as Shakespeare or Homer, who are the only two authors that merit representation on a top 50 list. Anyway, Tolstoy does not really make sense. There are other prose writers, notably Miguel de Cervantes and Voltaire, that would come before him.
I would remove these three and add back Plato, Neil Armstrong, and Sigmund Freud. Zelkia1101 ( talk) 22:13, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Please note that I have changed this level into a consensus-based discussion since there has been a little bit of contention about how should be added and removed. I'm keeping the other levels the same so you can still boldly add and remove people from other levels. If anyone wants to add or remove someone, they need to get a consensus first. Interstellarity ( talk) 19:46, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Both Socrates and Plato were influential philosophers, but I think Plato outranks Socrates when it comes to importance. Interstellarity ( talk) 11:18, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
I think having two composers is enough for this level. Leonardo has conceptualized things that didn't exist in his time that exist now. Interstellarity ( talk) 11:28, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
While it's undeniable that both Caesar and Augustus are important, I think Caesar outshines him when it comes to importance especially for his role in creating the Roman Empire. Interstellarity ( talk) 11:33, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
I think Alighieri is a better choice when it comes to writers since Tolstoy was a widely contested addition. Interstellarity ( talk) 11:37, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Vital people/Level/Nav bar/Talk
The purpose of this discussion page is to select 50 biographies for which Wikipedia should have high-quality articles. All Wikipedia editors are welcome to participate. Individual topics are proposed for addition or removal, followed by discussion and !voting. Since the list is currently full, it is recommended that a nomination of a new topic be accompanied by a proposal to remove a lower-priority topic already on the list.
All discussions will remain open for a minimum of 7 days.
Nominations should generally be left open beyond the above-listed minimums if they have a reasonable chance of passing. Please be patient with our process. We believe that an informed discussion with more editors is likely to produce an improved and more stable final list. When proposing to add or remove a particular topic from the vital people list, we strongly recommend that you review and compare the other topics in the same category in order to get a better sense of what is considered vital in that area.
Interstellarity, given Leonardo's naturally "limited" impact (on painting and drawing almost exclusively) perhaps Michelangelo (impacted painting, sculpture, architecture and drawing) would be a better choice. Aza24 ( talk) 23:51, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
Can you add 3 more people to this list since we are under quota? Thanks, Interstellarity ( talk) 20:42, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
I'd revert this. Socrates is far more influential a figure within philosophy than Plato, who is mainly known for writing Socrates down. Freud was also an excellent pick for an unrepresented domain. Not sure where Gauss was discussed but I don't think we need Gauss and Euler at this level. The sciences are overrepresented. czar 01:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
It seems that it would be too difficult for editors to decice 50 most relevant people topics. Quota of 75 people would probably be more useful. Many participants of Vital articles projects have wished to have a list of 125–150 people and those who famour more minimalistic approach could use the list of 75. Here is a draft version of what it would look like. -- Thi ( talk) 10:47, 9 August 2021 (UTC) Link updated. -- Thi ( talk) 18:19, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
I don't understand why we need three classical and baroque German-speaking composers are needed on the list of top 50 people when Beethoven, the most important musician of history, will suffice just as well. Furthermore, why is Tolstoy on this list of all people? I know Thi said that it was about "representing" a prose writer, but I am honestly tired of people that think we should award placements on this list on the base of "representation." I don't think Tolstoy stands on the same level as Shakespeare or Homer, who are the only two authors that merit representation on a top 50 list. Anyway, Tolstoy does not really make sense. There are other prose writers, notably Miguel de Cervantes and Voltaire, that would come before him.
I would remove these three and add back Plato, Neil Armstrong, and Sigmund Freud. Zelkia1101 ( talk) 22:13, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
Please note that I have changed this level into a consensus-based discussion since there has been a little bit of contention about how should be added and removed. I'm keeping the other levels the same so you can still boldly add and remove people from other levels. If anyone wants to add or remove someone, they need to get a consensus first. Interstellarity ( talk) 19:46, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Both Socrates and Plato were influential philosophers, but I think Plato outranks Socrates when it comes to importance. Interstellarity ( talk) 11:18, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
I think having two composers is enough for this level. Leonardo has conceptualized things that didn't exist in his time that exist now. Interstellarity ( talk) 11:28, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
While it's undeniable that both Caesar and Augustus are important, I think Caesar outshines him when it comes to importance especially for his role in creating the Roman Empire. Interstellarity ( talk) 11:33, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
I think Alighieri is a better choice when it comes to writers since Tolstoy was a widely contested addition. Interstellarity ( talk) 11:37, 11 August 2021 (UTC)