This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Hierarchy page. |
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The purpose of this log is to keep track of proposed changes to the 1.0 classification scheme made on the project page. As well as facillitating the discussion below, this is also intended to make it easier to implement proposed changes once consensus is reached.
(RV is short for Release Versions, and GA is short for Good Articles)
Last change: Walkerma ( talk) 03:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
How would this work at RV? Geography without places would be a very small section. Do you mean "Geography and Places" at the top level and then have "Geography" and "Places" as subtopics of that? Walkerma 05:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Would "Farming and cultivation" be a better title? This covers farming of animals, crops, and fish, as well as cultivation of plants in horticulture and forestry. Geometry guy 22:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
The current GA "Art and architecture" subtopic includes "Typography". Apparently this was created for a single article Canons of page construction, which does not obviously belong elsewhere. This raises a wider question: where are articles on design supposed to go? Some belong under technology, but it is much less clear what to do with articles on fashion design, interior design, etc. At the moment, they tend to be listed under "culture and society", but I would have thought there was a greater affinity with architecture. Geometry guy 15:20, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
There aren't very many GA/RV discrepancies left. One is heraldry, which is part of Awards and decorations (Socsci) in RV, and part of Royalty and nobility (History) in GA. I have to admit, I am completely unconvinced by the whole idea of an awards/decorations subtopic. Most awards and decorations belong in a different category: the heraldry is part of history, the military awards are part of warfare, boy scout awards are part of culture, national awards are part of politics and government, film awards are part of cinema. So I'd rather scrap and redistribute this heading, but would be happy with any choice that is consistent between the projects.
Related to this, of course, is the fact that GA separates out monarchs and nobility from other historical figures. Is this helpful, or unhelpful? Again, consistency is all I hope for here, not an ideal solution. Geometry guy 22:13, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
This is not a compatibility requirement, but the case has been made at GA for splitting "Recreation" into "Sports and recreation" and "Video games" (or something similar). This is a reflection of the large number of article we have on video games, and the sharp distinction between in-front-of-a-computer style recreation, and sports. Is there support here for such a split? I certainly favour it, but am unsure exactly what to call the two replacement subtopics. Geometry guy 22:31, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I think that most harmonization issues have been addressed, apart from some naming conventions. One which particularly bugs me is the "Applied sciences and technology" topic, which has multiple variants in different places. My own view is that "Engineering and technology" is the best name for this topic, as most of the applied sciences are now listed under "natural sciences" anyway.
There are a couple of subtopics which need a consistent name: do we prefer "culture and society" or "sociology and society", or a third alternative?
Finally, I would prefer "Meteorology and atmospheric sciences" to "Atmospheric sciences", as most articles here are going to be about the weather and tropical storms, not about the science of the atmosphere. Geometry guy 22:31, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Although we are still some way from having a harmonized 1.0 classification, it may be worth discussing what work will need to be done to implement any changes, as this may affect the choices we make. At GA, moving a subtopic from one of the 10 topics to another does require some work: not only do the GA and GAN pages need to be updated, but individual articles need to have the topic parameter in the {{ GA}} or {{ ArticleHistory}} template changed. Are there similar issues with the release versions? I know that {{ WP1.0}} has a category parameter analogous to the GA topic parameter. Is it actively used? Presumably, we don't want to retroactively change Wikipedia 0.5: will this cause problems? Geometry guy 15:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Hierarchy page. |
|
The purpose of this log is to keep track of proposed changes to the 1.0 classification scheme made on the project page. As well as facillitating the discussion below, this is also intended to make it easier to implement proposed changes once consensus is reached.
(RV is short for Release Versions, and GA is short for Good Articles)
Last change: Walkerma ( talk) 03:27, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
How would this work at RV? Geography without places would be a very small section. Do you mean "Geography and Places" at the top level and then have "Geography" and "Places" as subtopics of that? Walkerma 05:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Would "Farming and cultivation" be a better title? This covers farming of animals, crops, and fish, as well as cultivation of plants in horticulture and forestry. Geometry guy 22:14, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
The current GA "Art and architecture" subtopic includes "Typography". Apparently this was created for a single article Canons of page construction, which does not obviously belong elsewhere. This raises a wider question: where are articles on design supposed to go? Some belong under technology, but it is much less clear what to do with articles on fashion design, interior design, etc. At the moment, they tend to be listed under "culture and society", but I would have thought there was a greater affinity with architecture. Geometry guy 15:20, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
There aren't very many GA/RV discrepancies left. One is heraldry, which is part of Awards and decorations (Socsci) in RV, and part of Royalty and nobility (History) in GA. I have to admit, I am completely unconvinced by the whole idea of an awards/decorations subtopic. Most awards and decorations belong in a different category: the heraldry is part of history, the military awards are part of warfare, boy scout awards are part of culture, national awards are part of politics and government, film awards are part of cinema. So I'd rather scrap and redistribute this heading, but would be happy with any choice that is consistent between the projects.
Related to this, of course, is the fact that GA separates out monarchs and nobility from other historical figures. Is this helpful, or unhelpful? Again, consistency is all I hope for here, not an ideal solution. Geometry guy 22:13, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
This is not a compatibility requirement, but the case has been made at GA for splitting "Recreation" into "Sports and recreation" and "Video games" (or something similar). This is a reflection of the large number of article we have on video games, and the sharp distinction between in-front-of-a-computer style recreation, and sports. Is there support here for such a split? I certainly favour it, but am unsure exactly what to call the two replacement subtopics. Geometry guy 22:31, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
I think that most harmonization issues have been addressed, apart from some naming conventions. One which particularly bugs me is the "Applied sciences and technology" topic, which has multiple variants in different places. My own view is that "Engineering and technology" is the best name for this topic, as most of the applied sciences are now listed under "natural sciences" anyway.
There are a couple of subtopics which need a consistent name: do we prefer "culture and society" or "sociology and society", or a third alternative?
Finally, I would prefer "Meteorology and atmospheric sciences" to "Atmospheric sciences", as most articles here are going to be about the weather and tropical storms, not about the science of the atmosphere. Geometry guy 22:31, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
Although we are still some way from having a harmonized 1.0 classification, it may be worth discussing what work will need to be done to implement any changes, as this may affect the choices we make. At GA, moving a subtopic from one of the 10 topics to another does require some work: not only do the GA and GAN pages need to be updated, but individual articles need to have the topic parameter in the {{ GA}} or {{ ArticleHistory}} template changed. Are there similar issues with the release versions? I know that {{ WP1.0}} has a category parameter analogous to the GA topic parameter. Is it actively used? Presumably, we don't want to retroactively change Wikipedia 0.5: will this cause problems? Geometry guy 15:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)