Category | Display font |
---|---|
Classification | Calligraphic |
Designer(s) | Dave Nalle |
Foundry | Scriptorium Fonts |
Trademark | blah |
Here is an example of an {{ Infobox font}} template used for Abaddon Font incorrectly. I have fixed this article and a number of other font articles beginning with the letter A. Since the error appears repeatedly, I am providing this example as a clue for anyone who knows how to correct template code. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 12:10, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
One of the problems with the template is that some strings are not displayed, at least one, for example: | trademark =. Can somebody check this? - ☩ Damërung ☩ . -- 23:42, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
On the 'classification' part, I don't know what classification system is used elsewhere on Wikipedia, but I think the VOX-ATypI classification should be used allround. And personally I'm not sure the 'name' parameter is really necessary, as the name will be in both the article and preferably in the image. The name on top also bumps the infobox out of alignment with the top line of the article (if you want a title on top of the infobox, make it look like the one used on the Dutch wikipedia, with a little header, i.e. like this [ Dutch article about Lexicon]). And the style parameter, I think 'font' should be omitted, so in the example here it should just be 'Display'. As it wouldn't be 'Serif font' either but just 'Serif'. Typehigh ( talk) 14:49, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Is there a way to get a list of fonts that don't yet have all three required images? OrangeDog ( τ • ε) 17:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I think the writer of the article should also try to make an image for the fontbox. I think this is part of article writing on Wikipedia, to be as complete as possible. I would prefer to keep the images in the style of Jim Wood, like this one I made: [ LexiconSpecimen.png], so that all the typeface articles have a certain consistency to them. I've noticed that more people make the images similar to it, so that is a good idea. Typehigh ( talk) 14:56, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I think the most important is to bring the images (to commons) to complete the lists and articles. Whoever creates a new article can create also the images (all three of them), it doesn´t take too long, and while the SVG is the most preferred format, you should only avoid making them in JPEG (which shows heavy artifacting). As I see, even PNG looks fine for this images (I mean: we won´t make them featured pictures or anything that requires a lot of quality, but enough). - ☩ Damërung ☩ . -- 07:31, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
The first column images are generally too large. I'll also make a template to make these pages much easier to create and maintain. OrangeDog ( τ • ε) 22:35, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
OK, my main enquiries are do we want to be able to link multiple designers, and do we want the headers (and Class, etc.) linked to explanatory articles? OrangeDog ( τ • ε) 15:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Wikipeida Needs The Narkism Text. Can Anybody Typeface That Kind Of Font?
GU!TARH3R0CHR!ST0PHER
_-= 02:02, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
List of typefaces included with Mac OS X has very large images with many fonts as the samples. This is entirely unlike the List of Microsoft Windows fonts, where each font has three samples. What do others think?-- DThomsen8 ( talk) 16:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Examples:
Currently we have article names with Font as part of the name, or (font) after the name, or (typeface) after the name. Sometimes both names work because of a redirect, sometimes only (font) works, and sometimes only (typeface) works. The examples above tell the whole story.
Questions for the collaborators:
Please number your answers. I am willing to work on applying the standard way to existing articles. Someone else should enforce the standard way for new articles. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 14:35, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
These three points (if agreed) are not quite a standard naming convention, but close. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 16:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Following the standard naming convention being discussed, I have added redirects from Abaddon (font) to Abaddon (typeface) and Avenir (font) to Avenir (typeface). The redirect from Corbel (font) to Corbel (typeface) already existed when the list of examples was gathered.
Now my question is what to do, if anything, about the Chandas (font) article, which could be renamed Chandas (typeface), with a redirect added for Chandas (font). The alternative would be to do nothing at all about the existing typeface articles named something (font), not the standard naming convention but it is easy to do nothing at all. Please comment. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 18:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody has a good idea of how to identify a sub-classification of the serif-type of typefaces? I don´t know about others, but it´s a little hard for me to note any difference between 'modern', 'transitional' and 'old style'. - ☩ Damërung ☩ . -- 22:05, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Should we add the " Category:Typefaces" to all articles about typefaces? (there are actually just few ones, most, recently created stubs), and which categories should be place in the articles? - ☩ Damërung ☩ . -- 20:30, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Here are four examples of articles formerly in Category:Typefaces or in Category:Typography. It was easy enough to use Hotcat to remove them from where they did not belong, but not so easy to say where they do belong. The example teaches! Collaborators, tell me what category or categories these examples go in. Just don't go off and fix them, tell us all here what the correct category is. I am hoping that a few examples will teach us all, but maybe not.-- DThomsen8 ( talk) 23:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Easy enough to cite more, but I will wait for answers, and hope that I can carry on with the task with the answers. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 23:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Category | Realist Sans-serif |
---|---|
Designer(s) | Tobias Frere-Jones, Cyrus Highsmith |
Commissioned by | Martha Stewart Living, Worth |
Foundry | Font Bureau |
Talk:Benton Sans says that FBBentonSans.svg is not Benton Sans.
Is this right, or wrong? If it is not Benton Sans, then a new sample is needed. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 22:34, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
I have been told by an expert whose opinion I respect that this is actually Benton Sans, and she refers me to the following reference concerning the numeric characters.
http://www.fontbureau.com/pdf/BentonSans.pdf
She also says that Benton Graphic is no longer sold, and indeed was never sold to the public when it was in use. --
DThomsen8 (
talk) 00:58, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Sloan letters is in category typefaces. Yes, I know it should not be in that category, but should it be in any category related to Typography at all? Consider also the various eye test articles which do not have any Wikipedia connection with Typography at all.
It seems to me that these articles do have some connection with Typography, but not a very strong connection, nor do I easily see which categories they should be in. Of course, I could just add WikiPedia Typography templates to the talk pages, and let other editors decide what else to use as categories for the articles. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 16:54, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Don't change the template to match the incorrect usage, fix the usage instead. Also, don't set the size of sample 1 by width - they will all be of inconsistent point size. Finally, either use {{ title without disambig}} and have the page running slow, or remove it and make the parameters more complicated - don't try a mix of both. OrangeDog ( τ • ε) 14:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I couldn't find a resource for Alexandria (typeface). All I could find was another font of the same name. Any ideas? OrangeDog ( τ • ε) 22:30, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I can't do the ligature in "Hoefler Text" without having the font installed. Anyone here have it? OrangeDog ( τ • ε) 15:56, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Category | Non-latin |
---|---|
Designer(s) | Tony Duff ? |
Date released | 2000 |
Notice that the infobox for Tibetan Machine Uni does not show the designer, Tony Duff. Perhaps the style could be specified?-- DThomsen8 ( talk) 17:07, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
This external link may provide more information.
The typeface sample [File:Skia (typeface).png] has an alert in AWB saying "Starts with heading' but I do not understand what this warning means, or how to fix it, or indeed, whether I should care. There are a fair number of typeface samples with this alert.
Also, I would like to know how to not see some of the alerts that AWB provides, including the Multiple-Wiki links warning. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 14:49, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Please take a look at List of typefaces, where I have added lists of display and simulation typefaces taken from the samples articles. Also look at this list of semi-serif typefaces:
Is there such a thing as a semi-serif typeface? Are these examples? I have some doubts.
Please comment on the Talk:List of typefaces page. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 13:35, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
On the project page, it says under Listing that on certain websites "there is a preview pane in which color of both the font and background can be changed, this can help in creating the images when certain typeface is missing in someone´s computer.". However, if this was meant as setting a sample text on foundry websites or myfonts, and making a screenshot or something similar, this does not make free images. As far as I know, you cannot use such images on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, sample images can only be created if you have a license to use a typeface, so you can make the sample and release this as 'artwork' into the public domain/CC. Typehigh ( talk) 17:14, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
The Samples of script typefaces article is tagged with the no references template. None of the other Samples of ... typefaces are tagged that way. Questions:
Our purposes are well defined on the project page, but do we have any particular goals? There were vast improvements in the lists and articles in 2009, but recently progress has slowed, and discussion here has almost died out.
So, can we specify any particular goals? Something we could measure? What do you think? -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 12:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
There may be particular articles that can be expanded and upgraded, if information is available. I am going to list any such articles I find while looking over the class=stub list.-- DThomsen8 ( talk) 17:53, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
According to Wikipedia:Collaborations, you have an active Collaboration. If so, you might be interested in the new template {{ CotM}}. cheers, Rd232 talk 22:42, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
One. Experimental typefaces could be added as a category. There we should put stuff like New Alphabet of Tschichold. Two. Typefaces could also be divided into time periods and philosophic/historic/artistic movements (eg Modernist Typography, Postmodernist Typography). Three. A page about great new typographers should be added. Lineto for example. Four. Self taught typographers like Jos Buivenga and Mário Feliciano should be treated as well, as this seems to be a phenomenon of digital typefaces—typographers with no direct academic training on the issue. — Anna Comnena ( talk) 14:53, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Category | Display font |
---|---|
Classification | Calligraphic |
Designer(s) | Dave Nalle |
Foundry | Scriptorium Fonts |
Trademark | blah |
Here is an example of an {{ Infobox font}} template used for Abaddon Font incorrectly. I have fixed this article and a number of other font articles beginning with the letter A. Since the error appears repeatedly, I am providing this example as a clue for anyone who knows how to correct template code. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 12:10, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
One of the problems with the template is that some strings are not displayed, at least one, for example: | trademark =. Can somebody check this? - ☩ Damërung ☩ . -- 23:42, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
On the 'classification' part, I don't know what classification system is used elsewhere on Wikipedia, but I think the VOX-ATypI classification should be used allround. And personally I'm not sure the 'name' parameter is really necessary, as the name will be in both the article and preferably in the image. The name on top also bumps the infobox out of alignment with the top line of the article (if you want a title on top of the infobox, make it look like the one used on the Dutch wikipedia, with a little header, i.e. like this [ Dutch article about Lexicon]). And the style parameter, I think 'font' should be omitted, so in the example here it should just be 'Display'. As it wouldn't be 'Serif font' either but just 'Serif'. Typehigh ( talk) 14:49, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Is there a way to get a list of fonts that don't yet have all three required images? OrangeDog ( τ • ε) 17:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
I think the writer of the article should also try to make an image for the fontbox. I think this is part of article writing on Wikipedia, to be as complete as possible. I would prefer to keep the images in the style of Jim Wood, like this one I made: [ LexiconSpecimen.png], so that all the typeface articles have a certain consistency to them. I've noticed that more people make the images similar to it, so that is a good idea. Typehigh ( talk) 14:56, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I think the most important is to bring the images (to commons) to complete the lists and articles. Whoever creates a new article can create also the images (all three of them), it doesn´t take too long, and while the SVG is the most preferred format, you should only avoid making them in JPEG (which shows heavy artifacting). As I see, even PNG looks fine for this images (I mean: we won´t make them featured pictures or anything that requires a lot of quality, but enough). - ☩ Damërung ☩ . -- 07:31, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
The first column images are generally too large. I'll also make a template to make these pages much easier to create and maintain. OrangeDog ( τ • ε) 22:35, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
OK, my main enquiries are do we want to be able to link multiple designers, and do we want the headers (and Class, etc.) linked to explanatory articles? OrangeDog ( τ • ε) 15:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Wikipeida Needs The Narkism Text. Can Anybody Typeface That Kind Of Font?
GU!TARH3R0CHR!ST0PHER
_-= 02:02, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
List of typefaces included with Mac OS X has very large images with many fonts as the samples. This is entirely unlike the List of Microsoft Windows fonts, where each font has three samples. What do others think?-- DThomsen8 ( talk) 16:32, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Examples:
Currently we have article names with Font as part of the name, or (font) after the name, or (typeface) after the name. Sometimes both names work because of a redirect, sometimes only (font) works, and sometimes only (typeface) works. The examples above tell the whole story.
Questions for the collaborators:
Please number your answers. I am willing to work on applying the standard way to existing articles. Someone else should enforce the standard way for new articles. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 14:35, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
These three points (if agreed) are not quite a standard naming convention, but close. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 16:29, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Following the standard naming convention being discussed, I have added redirects from Abaddon (font) to Abaddon (typeface) and Avenir (font) to Avenir (typeface). The redirect from Corbel (font) to Corbel (typeface) already existed when the list of examples was gathered.
Now my question is what to do, if anything, about the Chandas (font) article, which could be renamed Chandas (typeface), with a redirect added for Chandas (font). The alternative would be to do nothing at all about the existing typeface articles named something (font), not the standard naming convention but it is easy to do nothing at all. Please comment. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 18:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody has a good idea of how to identify a sub-classification of the serif-type of typefaces? I don´t know about others, but it´s a little hard for me to note any difference between 'modern', 'transitional' and 'old style'. - ☩ Damërung ☩ . -- 22:05, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Should we add the " Category:Typefaces" to all articles about typefaces? (there are actually just few ones, most, recently created stubs), and which categories should be place in the articles? - ☩ Damërung ☩ . -- 20:30, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Here are four examples of articles formerly in Category:Typefaces or in Category:Typography. It was easy enough to use Hotcat to remove them from where they did not belong, but not so easy to say where they do belong. The example teaches! Collaborators, tell me what category or categories these examples go in. Just don't go off and fix them, tell us all here what the correct category is. I am hoping that a few examples will teach us all, but maybe not.-- DThomsen8 ( talk) 23:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Easy enough to cite more, but I will wait for answers, and hope that I can carry on with the task with the answers. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 23:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Category | Realist Sans-serif |
---|---|
Designer(s) | Tobias Frere-Jones, Cyrus Highsmith |
Commissioned by | Martha Stewart Living, Worth |
Foundry | Font Bureau |
Talk:Benton Sans says that FBBentonSans.svg is not Benton Sans.
Is this right, or wrong? If it is not Benton Sans, then a new sample is needed. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 22:34, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
I have been told by an expert whose opinion I respect that this is actually Benton Sans, and she refers me to the following reference concerning the numeric characters.
http://www.fontbureau.com/pdf/BentonSans.pdf
She also says that Benton Graphic is no longer sold, and indeed was never sold to the public when it was in use. --
DThomsen8 (
talk) 00:58, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
Sloan letters is in category typefaces. Yes, I know it should not be in that category, but should it be in any category related to Typography at all? Consider also the various eye test articles which do not have any Wikipedia connection with Typography at all.
It seems to me that these articles do have some connection with Typography, but not a very strong connection, nor do I easily see which categories they should be in. Of course, I could just add WikiPedia Typography templates to the talk pages, and let other editors decide what else to use as categories for the articles. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 16:54, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Don't change the template to match the incorrect usage, fix the usage instead. Also, don't set the size of sample 1 by width - they will all be of inconsistent point size. Finally, either use {{ title without disambig}} and have the page running slow, or remove it and make the parameters more complicated - don't try a mix of both. OrangeDog ( τ • ε) 14:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I couldn't find a resource for Alexandria (typeface). All I could find was another font of the same name. Any ideas? OrangeDog ( τ • ε) 22:30, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I can't do the ligature in "Hoefler Text" without having the font installed. Anyone here have it? OrangeDog ( τ • ε) 15:56, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Category | Non-latin |
---|---|
Designer(s) | Tony Duff ? |
Date released | 2000 |
Notice that the infobox for Tibetan Machine Uni does not show the designer, Tony Duff. Perhaps the style could be specified?-- DThomsen8 ( talk) 17:07, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
This external link may provide more information.
The typeface sample [File:Skia (typeface).png] has an alert in AWB saying "Starts with heading' but I do not understand what this warning means, or how to fix it, or indeed, whether I should care. There are a fair number of typeface samples with this alert.
Also, I would like to know how to not see some of the alerts that AWB provides, including the Multiple-Wiki links warning. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 14:49, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Please take a look at List of typefaces, where I have added lists of display and simulation typefaces taken from the samples articles. Also look at this list of semi-serif typefaces:
Is there such a thing as a semi-serif typeface? Are these examples? I have some doubts.
Please comment on the Talk:List of typefaces page. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 13:35, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
On the project page, it says under Listing that on certain websites "there is a preview pane in which color of both the font and background can be changed, this can help in creating the images when certain typeface is missing in someone´s computer.". However, if this was meant as setting a sample text on foundry websites or myfonts, and making a screenshot or something similar, this does not make free images. As far as I know, you cannot use such images on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, sample images can only be created if you have a license to use a typeface, so you can make the sample and release this as 'artwork' into the public domain/CC. Typehigh ( talk) 17:14, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
The Samples of script typefaces article is tagged with the no references template. None of the other Samples of ... typefaces are tagged that way. Questions:
Our purposes are well defined on the project page, but do we have any particular goals? There were vast improvements in the lists and articles in 2009, but recently progress has slowed, and discussion here has almost died out.
So, can we specify any particular goals? Something we could measure? What do you think? -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 12:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
There may be particular articles that can be expanded and upgraded, if information is available. I am going to list any such articles I find while looking over the class=stub list.-- DThomsen8 ( talk) 17:53, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
According to Wikipedia:Collaborations, you have an active Collaboration. If so, you might be interested in the new template {{ CotM}}. cheers, Rd232 talk 22:42, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
One. Experimental typefaces could be added as a category. There we should put stuff like New Alphabet of Tschichold. Two. Typefaces could also be divided into time periods and philosophic/historic/artistic movements (eg Modernist Typography, Postmodernist Typography). Three. A page about great new typographers should be added. Lineto for example. Four. Self taught typographers like Jos Buivenga and Mário Feliciano should be treated as well, as this seems to be a phenomenon of digital typefaces—typographers with no direct academic training on the issue. — Anna Comnena ( talk) 14:53, 27 October 2010 (UTC)