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@ SmokeyJoe: I think the "collection of opinions" part should be done here, on the talk page. That keeps more with the usual essay format, which generally works fine. VQuakr ( talk) 03:41, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
The "A" criteria seem to be the most critical to this, since the "G" series already apply to drafts. Some thoughts:
Straightforward, but a longer or more formalized time delay before proposing under these criteria is probably appropriate outside of mainspace. Maybe a week? VQuakr ( talk) 04:02, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Hundreds of A1/A3 type Draft and Userspace subpages get started and abandoned. If you are not going to type more than the title or some no context words within the first 10 min of saving a new page it is unlikely you will ever type more. As far as I know I pioneered using G2 to delete blank Draftspace pages. One admin expressed shock but no one has objected or rejected the G2 tags. G2 could be recast to be “Test or effectively blank pages”. We also have WP:G6 “Userspace drafts containing only the default Article Wizard text, where the author of the page has been inactive for at least one year.” which is ridiculously restrictive. Why should an active user be able to or want to keep a blank draft forever? Checking that these conditions are met is a time waster - just allow deletion of blank or effectovely blank userspace subpages and Drafts on sight. There is no content to restore anyway and a notification of the deleted title gets dropped in the creator’s talk anyway so they can restort from the link anytime. How about rolling A1, A3, amd G6 userspace drafts plus G2 (unoffical blank draft) together into a “G? Blank or No Context” that covers all name space with no set delay other than the time it takes to find, CSD tag, and delete the page? Creator would get a message “The page you created at LINK has been nominated for speedy deletion because it was blank or included insufficent context to identify the topic. You may have created the page by accident, however if you wish to actually develop this topic click on the link to restart and be sure to include sufficent content to allow others to identify the topic.” Legacypac ( talk) 10:50, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Probably the most contentious criterion in mainspace. Leaving it out of a "Draft CSD" proposal altogether could be a pragmatic way of improving said proposal's chance of passing, but of course A7 is very commonly applicable to new pages so omitting D7 would make the draft criteria less useful. A9 is basically a parallel to A7 so recommendations to 7 probably apply to 9. A minimum time delay could be appropriate here, too, to avoid biting. There is simply less urgency outside of mainspace. Maybe a week? VQuakr ( talk) 04:02, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Unnecessary to adapt to a "draft" CSD, just redirect to mainspace and move on. VQuakr ( talk) 04:02, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Should apply to templates too; I've proposed converting to G14 at WT:CSD. VQuakr ( talk) 04:02, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
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@ SmokeyJoe: I think the "collection of opinions" part should be done here, on the talk page. That keeps more with the usual essay format, which generally works fine. VQuakr ( talk) 03:41, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
The "A" criteria seem to be the most critical to this, since the "G" series already apply to drafts. Some thoughts:
Straightforward, but a longer or more formalized time delay before proposing under these criteria is probably appropriate outside of mainspace. Maybe a week? VQuakr ( talk) 04:02, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Hundreds of A1/A3 type Draft and Userspace subpages get started and abandoned. If you are not going to type more than the title or some no context words within the first 10 min of saving a new page it is unlikely you will ever type more. As far as I know I pioneered using G2 to delete blank Draftspace pages. One admin expressed shock but no one has objected or rejected the G2 tags. G2 could be recast to be “Test or effectively blank pages”. We also have WP:G6 “Userspace drafts containing only the default Article Wizard text, where the author of the page has been inactive for at least one year.” which is ridiculously restrictive. Why should an active user be able to or want to keep a blank draft forever? Checking that these conditions are met is a time waster - just allow deletion of blank or effectovely blank userspace subpages and Drafts on sight. There is no content to restore anyway and a notification of the deleted title gets dropped in the creator’s talk anyway so they can restort from the link anytime. How about rolling A1, A3, amd G6 userspace drafts plus G2 (unoffical blank draft) together into a “G? Blank or No Context” that covers all name space with no set delay other than the time it takes to find, CSD tag, and delete the page? Creator would get a message “The page you created at LINK has been nominated for speedy deletion because it was blank or included insufficent context to identify the topic. You may have created the page by accident, however if you wish to actually develop this topic click on the link to restart and be sure to include sufficent content to allow others to identify the topic.” Legacypac ( talk) 10:50, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Probably the most contentious criterion in mainspace. Leaving it out of a "Draft CSD" proposal altogether could be a pragmatic way of improving said proposal's chance of passing, but of course A7 is very commonly applicable to new pages so omitting D7 would make the draft criteria less useful. A9 is basically a parallel to A7 so recommendations to 7 probably apply to 9. A minimum time delay could be appropriate here, too, to avoid biting. There is simply less urgency outside of mainspace. Maybe a week? VQuakr ( talk) 04:02, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Unnecessary to adapt to a "draft" CSD, just redirect to mainspace and move on. VQuakr ( talk) 04:02, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Should apply to templates too; I've proposed converting to G14 at WT:CSD. VQuakr ( talk) 04:02, 26 October 2017 (UTC)