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There is a proposal to change the naming conventions of TV season articles from the current practice of XXX (season 1)
to XXX, season 1
or XXX season 1
. As such a change would affect a substantial number of articles, you are invited to participate in the discussion at
Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television) § Move TV seasons from parenthetical disambiguation to comma disambiguation. Thank you.
InfiniteNexus (
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04:22, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. – zmbro ( talk) ( cont) 16:58, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
With the announcement of the second installment being known as Tales of the Empire, and the press release from Disney it is "the second installment of the Tales franchise", there is currently an informal discussion on the talk page about moving the article to Star Wars: Tales. Editors can weigh in on thoughts here. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 20:41, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
I have started discussions at Talk:The Mandalorian season 3#Episode articles and Talk:The Book of Boba Fett#Episode articles about draftying or redirecting their episode articles. Any thoughts are welcome. - adamstom97 ( talk) 11:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Kevin Kiner's children Deana & Sean work together under Kiner's Music (formerly Kiner Brothers) for various Star Wars properties. Based on their IMDB pages, they exclusively work as a duo. Would it be best to make them a page together (under Kiner Music), or give them separate pages?
I do not want people to confuse Kevin Kiner with Kiner Music, which is separate…since their father works on additional properties.
However I do not think there's enough information on them each individually to warrant individual articles. I believe it would work best as a duo article. Is anyone working on a page for them? Squiddyonwiki ( talk) 09:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello! I've been doing a lot of work editing pages for Star Wars characters, and I wouldn't mind a little help. Some of the pages are in pretty bad shape. If you're interested in helping, let me know! Wafflewombat ( talk) 02:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Another request for you all!
I started a talk page discussion about a new leading image for the Rey page, but after two weeks nobody has responded. I was hoping to hear from other editors before boldly uploading a new image. Would you mind giving me your thoughts?
Thanks! Wafflewombat ( talk) 04:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
@ Wafflewombat: @ TAnthony: Hi, just wanted to create this thread for both raising awareness and to be able to point to it with the "more sources needed" templates. Just to get ahead of it, Princess Leia was mistagged by me, so that removal was perfectly A-Okay. For the others, namely Darth Vader, Han Solo, Count Dooku, Chewbacca, Admiral Piett, Obi-wan Kenobi, Nien Nunb, Wedge Antilles, Luke Skywalker, Grand Moff Tarkin, C-3PO, and Darth Maul. I also added the notability template to Quinlan Vos, Tobias Beckett, and Saw Gerrera. Now, this doesn't mean I think they aren't notable - I would be surprised if Saw Gerrera wasn't - but as it is, I think it is fair to still question it, whereas questioning, say, Obi-wan Kenobi as someone who knows Star Wars is honestly a pretty ludicrous thing to do.
In the above articles, they all either have a complete lack of reception or have very little reception for how significant of characters they are. Vader and Piett, for example, having the same number of citations in reception is quite telling of this. I don't think this is a condemnation of any one editor or group of editors as much as it is that there is not the expectation that they need to worry about it. After all, no one is going to say that Darth Vader needs to be merged for not being notable enough. It's just an unfortunate case where, because Admiral Ackbar is a tougher sell, editors will put effort into that over the obvious ones. That's something that a lot of us at WP:VG are guilty of with our characters.
With that said, I don't have as much experience source searching for characters outside the video game space (I actually have a rudimentary tool for that: User:Cukie Gherkin/Source searching), so it's more of a slow go for me, and I'd have to figure out what film websites are good places to check for sources. If y'all can give me a nudge on that, that'd be fantastic. I don't know that I would actually be writing in any sources (don't know if I could really fit it in my schedule), but I would be fine doing the research so y'all have it at the ready. - Cukie Gherkin ( talk) 19:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
treat each aspect with a weight proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject. "On the subject" is the key: for the Cultural Impact section of Vader, what matters is how sources on the subject of Vader treat his pop culture appearances—not how sources about his appearances treat Vader. Wafflewombat ( talk) 05:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
I mean, that's the most sensible course of action. There are many avenues that can be taken; for one, research can be done into whether the political context of Darth Vader as a figure has any greater discussion, such as through scholarly works. -
Cukie Gherkin (
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06:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
If the article is trying to establish Vader's broad and lasting popularity as an iconic figure, how would an encyclopedia establish that?). That's not actually a given—it's true if and only if sources explicitly make that point. I haven't looked at the overall literature on the topic, but it does indeed seem likely that they would do so. They would then also, presumably, back up that assertion with some kind of evidence (indeed, perhaps through
A careful selection of the ways that he is invoked and referenced as a character and a symbol across fields). Those are the sources we need to base such a section on, not our own intuitions about what would be good to include. As WP:MEDRS says:
Cite reviews, don't write them.The same principle applies here (and everywhere, really). TompaDompa ( talk) 20:51, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
I am the above-mentioned editor who gave input on the "Cultural impact" section of the Darth Vader article when a request was posted to WT:FILM in early April ( link to archived discussion). I was alerted to the existence of this discussion on my user talk page.
With that out of the way: Notability is not a relevant or helpful perspective to take here. The notability is not in dispute, the content is. We have guidance for determining what content should and should not be included:
WP:PROPORTION, part of the non-negotiable
WP:Core content policy
WP:NPOV, which says An article should not give undue weight to minor aspects of its subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject.
That is to say, sources on the overarching subject—
Darth Vader, or perhaps the cultural impact of Darth Vader—determine what belongs in the article.
TompaDompa (
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20:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
This is the
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WikiProject Star Wars and anything related to its purposes and tasks. |
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WikiProject: Star Wars ( or watch this box) |
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This page has archives. Sections older than 60 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 7 sections are present. |
There is a proposal to change the naming conventions of TV season articles from the current practice of XXX (season 1)
to XXX, season 1
or XXX season 1
. As such a change would affect a substantial number of articles, you are invited to participate in the discussion at
Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (television) § Move TV seasons from parenthetical disambiguation to comma disambiguation. Thank you.
InfiniteNexus (
talk)
04:22, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. – zmbro ( talk) ( cont) 16:58, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
With the announcement of the second installment being known as Tales of the Empire, and the press release from Disney it is "the second installment of the Tales franchise", there is currently an informal discussion on the talk page about moving the article to Star Wars: Tales. Editors can weigh in on thoughts here. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 20:41, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
I have started discussions at Talk:The Mandalorian season 3#Episode articles and Talk:The Book of Boba Fett#Episode articles about draftying or redirecting their episode articles. Any thoughts are welcome. - adamstom97 ( talk) 11:57, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Kevin Kiner's children Deana & Sean work together under Kiner's Music (formerly Kiner Brothers) for various Star Wars properties. Based on their IMDB pages, they exclusively work as a duo. Would it be best to make them a page together (under Kiner Music), or give them separate pages?
I do not want people to confuse Kevin Kiner with Kiner Music, which is separate…since their father works on additional properties.
However I do not think there's enough information on them each individually to warrant individual articles. I believe it would work best as a duo article. Is anyone working on a page for them? Squiddyonwiki ( talk) 09:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello! I've been doing a lot of work editing pages for Star Wars characters, and I wouldn't mind a little help. Some of the pages are in pretty bad shape. If you're interested in helping, let me know! Wafflewombat ( talk) 02:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Another request for you all!
I started a talk page discussion about a new leading image for the Rey page, but after two weeks nobody has responded. I was hoping to hear from other editors before boldly uploading a new image. Would you mind giving me your thoughts?
Thanks! Wafflewombat ( talk) 04:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
@ Wafflewombat: @ TAnthony: Hi, just wanted to create this thread for both raising awareness and to be able to point to it with the "more sources needed" templates. Just to get ahead of it, Princess Leia was mistagged by me, so that removal was perfectly A-Okay. For the others, namely Darth Vader, Han Solo, Count Dooku, Chewbacca, Admiral Piett, Obi-wan Kenobi, Nien Nunb, Wedge Antilles, Luke Skywalker, Grand Moff Tarkin, C-3PO, and Darth Maul. I also added the notability template to Quinlan Vos, Tobias Beckett, and Saw Gerrera. Now, this doesn't mean I think they aren't notable - I would be surprised if Saw Gerrera wasn't - but as it is, I think it is fair to still question it, whereas questioning, say, Obi-wan Kenobi as someone who knows Star Wars is honestly a pretty ludicrous thing to do.
In the above articles, they all either have a complete lack of reception or have very little reception for how significant of characters they are. Vader and Piett, for example, having the same number of citations in reception is quite telling of this. I don't think this is a condemnation of any one editor or group of editors as much as it is that there is not the expectation that they need to worry about it. After all, no one is going to say that Darth Vader needs to be merged for not being notable enough. It's just an unfortunate case where, because Admiral Ackbar is a tougher sell, editors will put effort into that over the obvious ones. That's something that a lot of us at WP:VG are guilty of with our characters.
With that said, I don't have as much experience source searching for characters outside the video game space (I actually have a rudimentary tool for that: User:Cukie Gherkin/Source searching), so it's more of a slow go for me, and I'd have to figure out what film websites are good places to check for sources. If y'all can give me a nudge on that, that'd be fantastic. I don't know that I would actually be writing in any sources (don't know if I could really fit it in my schedule), but I would be fine doing the research so y'all have it at the ready. - Cukie Gherkin ( talk) 19:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
treat each aspect with a weight proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject. "On the subject" is the key: for the Cultural Impact section of Vader, what matters is how sources on the subject of Vader treat his pop culture appearances—not how sources about his appearances treat Vader. Wafflewombat ( talk) 05:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
I mean, that's the most sensible course of action. There are many avenues that can be taken; for one, research can be done into whether the political context of Darth Vader as a figure has any greater discussion, such as through scholarly works. -
Cukie Gherkin (
talk)
06:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
If the article is trying to establish Vader's broad and lasting popularity as an iconic figure, how would an encyclopedia establish that?). That's not actually a given—it's true if and only if sources explicitly make that point. I haven't looked at the overall literature on the topic, but it does indeed seem likely that they would do so. They would then also, presumably, back up that assertion with some kind of evidence (indeed, perhaps through
A careful selection of the ways that he is invoked and referenced as a character and a symbol across fields). Those are the sources we need to base such a section on, not our own intuitions about what would be good to include. As WP:MEDRS says:
Cite reviews, don't write them.The same principle applies here (and everywhere, really). TompaDompa ( talk) 20:51, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
I am the above-mentioned editor who gave input on the "Cultural impact" section of the Darth Vader article when a request was posted to WT:FILM in early April ( link to archived discussion). I was alerted to the existence of this discussion on my user talk page.
With that out of the way: Notability is not a relevant or helpful perspective to take here. The notability is not in dispute, the content is. We have guidance for determining what content should and should not be included:
WP:PROPORTION, part of the non-negotiable
WP:Core content policy
WP:NPOV, which says An article should not give undue weight to minor aspects of its subject but should strive to treat each aspect with a weight proportional to its treatment in the body of reliable, published material on the subject.
That is to say, sources on the overarching subject—
Darth Vader, or perhaps the cultural impact of Darth Vader—determine what belongs in the article.
TompaDompa (
talk)
20:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)