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I think global balckout is right position of Wikimedia foundation. Its not just problem for USA users, but its large problem for all internet users as well.
Polititions usually support worse anti-piracy law, but SOPA/PIPA its worse idea ever. If this law will be accepted in USA its can going to be a world problem. Anybody will be allowed to block any website!
Anybody who support information freedom should undestand that.
But you can also support it by the other way. Read and connect your computer to this projects:
Right now this projects need more programmers/webmasters and donations! But even you can't do that, just install software router, because each new user make them faster and more anonymous.
This networks its future of internet freedom, because nobody can control them! Even RIAA/BSE/etc organisation cannot block real P2P network.
You can support Bitcoin as well. Its good network which can be used for donation for example. PayPal/Visa/Mastercard can block transactions, but nobody can block transactions in bitcoin!
You just need to remember: information freedom its not just SOPA/PIPA, its thousands of other law and rules. If each man here support one project or organisation which are fight for our right internet will be better tomorow! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.40.36 ( talk) 04:26, January 17, 2012
The end result of this protest and it's resulting flame war was that many people who spoke up in concern for the right of intellectual property creators to copyright their work got trolled off Wikipedia. 60.228.195.58 ( talk) 14:25, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
"Most are commercialy motivated" (about halfway down) should be "Most are commercially motivated".
This discussion was moved from Talk:Protests against SOPA and PIPA#Sad per NOTFORUM. Nolelover Talk· Contribs 16:27, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
This is the discussion page, so I hope this does not get deleted. Note I did not make any edits or changes to the article, nor will I.
I think the blackout was sad. The photo of the "Wikipedia team" celebrating as they took a source away that many of depend on, and through donations have paid for, was frankly, disgusting.
Is the proposed SOPA and PIPA wrong? You bet it is, and I am the first to tell anyone. I have written my representatives, long before this became "big news" However, is it also wrong for large internet sources such as Wikipedia and Google to suddenly block or interfere with our use of the internet? Absolutely. What you did that night is just as shameful as what SOPA and PIPA is 'trying" to do.
To me and many others it was seen as a childish act. Upset about the "game" so taking your bases and going home. For me I have decided to invest and purchase a reliable source for an Encyclopedia. The money that I have donated to Wikipedia will go toward something that is more dependable, and can't be taken away at a whim.
Yes it is your home, and you can do with it as you like. However it is a "home" that you have invited others to help maintain. Just weeks previous to the blackout you begged for donations. I suggest that you not solicit donations in the future if you plan on more blackouts.
You see the problem is, you have a project here that you can do as you like. Legally you have every right to do a blackout, or completely shut down. There is nothing stopping you. But is that right? Is it fair? When you ask for other to contribute, either financially or through their time, you become obligated to them. Perhaps not legally, but in other ways.
And finally your actions have even caused some to re-think government control over the internet. And not for the good. Some (in the real world) are questioning if perhaps there does need to be regulation, to prevent someone from doing just what you did and have done. Allow the common person to become dependent on a source that can easily be taken away by a few in control. Imagine what would happen if the power grid suddenly shut down at the direction of a few? Of course we know that can't happen, and some say that is due to government regulation.
I hope you seriously re-think any further actions.
Thank you for your time.
Best Regards
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.196.33.229 ( talk) 21:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you both very much for your reply and help with signing in. I now have an account. As to the subject, I fully agree that SOPA and PIPA needed/needs to be stopped. Although slowed, I think they are still very much alive, and will resurface after the election in November 2012. My issue was not your purpose, I applaud you for that! But the way you went about it. The blackout, I still say, was wrong. As I do not like people that complain and offer no solutions, I will propose some alternative solutions to a black out. Some I will even help with.
1. You did wonderful, thoughtful banners during your fundraising awareness. What's wrong with putting a banner on full time against SOPA and PIPA, and change it (roll) so folks will not get use to seeing the same image.
2. Wikipedia is accessed by millions. Great exposure... use that to organize peaceful, legal, protests all over the country... the world. THAT I can help with.
3. Have a SOPA/PIPA "Click Here" icon on full time. Clicking the icon would lead to a "diary" discussing updates. Having daily updates as to what is going on is helpful. If someone can set it up, I will be glad to keep it updated.
I am sure I can come up with more. My point is to have Wikipedia be a shining example of the free internet. ABOVE the chaos, above games, and above and better than what SOPA and PIPA proposes. They can play ugly, you... we... need to be better! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mt6617 ( talk • contribs) 22:26, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Still waiting on that Barnstar, since, you know... I participated.
By the way, how's SOPA treating you all these days... LOL.... Jersey John ( talk) 19:13, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Still waiting on that Barnstar. Archives show how involved I was in discussion. Jersey John ( talk) 08:37, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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I think global balckout is right position of Wikimedia foundation. Its not just problem for USA users, but its large problem for all internet users as well.
Polititions usually support worse anti-piracy law, but SOPA/PIPA its worse idea ever. If this law will be accepted in USA its can going to be a world problem. Anybody will be allowed to block any website!
Anybody who support information freedom should undestand that.
But you can also support it by the other way. Read and connect your computer to this projects:
Right now this projects need more programmers/webmasters and donations! But even you can't do that, just install software router, because each new user make them faster and more anonymous.
This networks its future of internet freedom, because nobody can control them! Even RIAA/BSE/etc organisation cannot block real P2P network.
You can support Bitcoin as well. Its good network which can be used for donation for example. PayPal/Visa/Mastercard can block transactions, but nobody can block transactions in bitcoin!
You just need to remember: information freedom its not just SOPA/PIPA, its thousands of other law and rules. If each man here support one project or organisation which are fight for our right internet will be better tomorow! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.40.36 ( talk) 04:26, January 17, 2012
The end result of this protest and it's resulting flame war was that many people who spoke up in concern for the right of intellectual property creators to copyright their work got trolled off Wikipedia. 60.228.195.58 ( talk) 14:25, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
"Most are commercialy motivated" (about halfway down) should be "Most are commercially motivated".
This discussion was moved from Talk:Protests against SOPA and PIPA#Sad per NOTFORUM. Nolelover Talk· Contribs 16:27, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
This is the discussion page, so I hope this does not get deleted. Note I did not make any edits or changes to the article, nor will I.
I think the blackout was sad. The photo of the "Wikipedia team" celebrating as they took a source away that many of depend on, and through donations have paid for, was frankly, disgusting.
Is the proposed SOPA and PIPA wrong? You bet it is, and I am the first to tell anyone. I have written my representatives, long before this became "big news" However, is it also wrong for large internet sources such as Wikipedia and Google to suddenly block or interfere with our use of the internet? Absolutely. What you did that night is just as shameful as what SOPA and PIPA is 'trying" to do.
To me and many others it was seen as a childish act. Upset about the "game" so taking your bases and going home. For me I have decided to invest and purchase a reliable source for an Encyclopedia. The money that I have donated to Wikipedia will go toward something that is more dependable, and can't be taken away at a whim.
Yes it is your home, and you can do with it as you like. However it is a "home" that you have invited others to help maintain. Just weeks previous to the blackout you begged for donations. I suggest that you not solicit donations in the future if you plan on more blackouts.
You see the problem is, you have a project here that you can do as you like. Legally you have every right to do a blackout, or completely shut down. There is nothing stopping you. But is that right? Is it fair? When you ask for other to contribute, either financially or through their time, you become obligated to them. Perhaps not legally, but in other ways.
And finally your actions have even caused some to re-think government control over the internet. And not for the good. Some (in the real world) are questioning if perhaps there does need to be regulation, to prevent someone from doing just what you did and have done. Allow the common person to become dependent on a source that can easily be taken away by a few in control. Imagine what would happen if the power grid suddenly shut down at the direction of a few? Of course we know that can't happen, and some say that is due to government regulation.
I hope you seriously re-think any further actions.
Thank you for your time.
Best Regards
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.196.33.229 ( talk) 21:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Thank you both very much for your reply and help with signing in. I now have an account. As to the subject, I fully agree that SOPA and PIPA needed/needs to be stopped. Although slowed, I think they are still very much alive, and will resurface after the election in November 2012. My issue was not your purpose, I applaud you for that! But the way you went about it. The blackout, I still say, was wrong. As I do not like people that complain and offer no solutions, I will propose some alternative solutions to a black out. Some I will even help with.
1. You did wonderful, thoughtful banners during your fundraising awareness. What's wrong with putting a banner on full time against SOPA and PIPA, and change it (roll) so folks will not get use to seeing the same image.
2. Wikipedia is accessed by millions. Great exposure... use that to organize peaceful, legal, protests all over the country... the world. THAT I can help with.
3. Have a SOPA/PIPA "Click Here" icon on full time. Clicking the icon would lead to a "diary" discussing updates. Having daily updates as to what is going on is helpful. If someone can set it up, I will be glad to keep it updated.
I am sure I can come up with more. My point is to have Wikipedia be a shining example of the free internet. ABOVE the chaos, above games, and above and better than what SOPA and PIPA proposes. They can play ugly, you... we... need to be better! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mt6617 ( talk • contribs) 22:26, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
Still waiting on that Barnstar, since, you know... I participated.
By the way, how's SOPA treating you all these days... LOL.... Jersey John ( talk) 19:13, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Still waiting on that Barnstar. Archives show how involved I was in discussion. Jersey John ( talk) 08:37, 15 June 2020 (UTC)