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See {{ Suez Canal map}}. This edit (better: this edit) spoiled the row saying "E-class turning dock, local connection channel" (visible after you expand "Port Said"). I'd like to see back the old water routes. And no diffusive channels. - DePiep ( talk) 23:40, 5 May 2013 (UTC) Adjusted - DePiep ( talk) 23:45, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains/Archive: 2013#Template include size is exceeded. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 21:09, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
There is some weird rail gauge auto conversion happening someplace. I do not like the results.
The template {{ Hejaz Railway}} has this entry:
When reading it on the template page it renders as
However in the article Hejaz Railway I read
The conversion is bloat in this context, it makes the template unnecessarily wide and still the line does not fit.
The reason may be some auto conversion on all railway articles. If so, templates should be protected from the conversion. -- Petri Krohn ( talk) 01:09, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
I am working with {{ Panama Canal map}} (created it, along with similar {{ Suez Canal map}}. Should be ... diagram I know).
I'd like to improve it this way: a written (verbose) 'legend'. Or better: description of the systems that come together. So, for example, I want to explain that apart from the plain canal, there is also a waterflow system. And a freshwater issue. Now I tried full-text rows, but I cannot get it working. See {{ Panama Canal map/sandbox}}.
Please, any suggestion for the RDT in this (and about the complexity: systems together)? The sandbox is free for edits. - DePiep ( talk) 22:32, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
{{
Railway line header}}/{{
BS-header}}/{{
BS-table}}
construct.
Useddenim (
talk)
01:55, 5 June 2013 (UTC)At least two RDTs are using HUB icons such as
(HUB11
) to draw a boundary, see
Template:Bristol railway map and
Template:Metrolink RTD. I recently noticed that neither of these was showing the complete boundary (see old versions
Bristol railway map and
Metrolink RTD). I worked out that the boundary lines were all set using the overlap parameters |O1=
etc. and that all the gaps in the boundary line occurred where the boundary passed through a cell where there was no base icon. Accordingly, at such positions, I moved the overlap icon to base position, and the boundaries are now complete again.
Having fixed those, I would like to locate and fix up any other cases. The cause is simple: since
this edit, {{
BS-overlap}}
has ignored any cell where there is no base icon, even if one or more overlaps have been set. Rather than try to alter it to draw the overlap icons when there is no base icon (which would slow down the template), I think it would be best to add some code to detect such usage, so that RDTs can be fixed up individually. This is probably best done using a tracking category - I'm not sure which category would be best for the job, but it would go where I've put <!-- Error: overlap icon(s) with no base icon -->
in
this edit. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
20:11, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
I recently encountered an error for RDT in mobile view as shown in the screenshot, where some icons are in double size. Although I am not able to test it, I suspect this was due to these CSS styles:
img.tex, .image img, .thumb img {
max-width:100% !important;
width: auto !important;
height: auto !important
}
And unfortunately, almost all icons fall into the selector ".image img", which selects images inside an <a> tag to the image description page. Similarly, the error also happens for icons quoted by {{
BSicon quote}}, like
(
STR
). I have not yet found another template example outside RDT which uses inline images linked to their own description page.
This error happens in my iOS6 device, for both Safari and Google Chrome browsers. My device has a Retina display which loads images in 2x resolution but shows images in 1x resolution. This error does not happen with my PC with Firefox nor Google Chrome, but I guess this is only because my PC does not have 2x device pixel ratio. — Peter why 16:58, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Just wanted to inform you about a discussion regarding replacing current set of route diagram templates with a single one. KPu3uC B Poccuu ( talk) 07:28, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
{{BS-map |title=Merging BS and BS-2 |collapse={{collapse|}} |map-title=BS''n'' alone |map= {{BS3/sandbox||STRq||Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|tw=100px}} {{BS3/sandbox||BHF|STR|Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4}} {{BS3-startCollapsible/sandbox2||STRq||Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4}} {{BS3-replace/sandbox|STR|BHF}} {{BS3/sandbox||BHF|STR|Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4}} {{!}}} |map2-title=BS''n''-2 alone |map2= {{BS3-2/sandbox||STRq||Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} {{BS3-2/sandbox||BHF|STR|Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} {{BS3-2/sandbox|STR|BHF||Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} {{BS3-2/sandbox||BHF|STR|Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} |map3-title=mixing BS''n'' and BS''n''-2 |map3= {{BS/sandbox|STRq|Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} {{BS3/sandbox|STR|BHF||Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} {{BS3-2/sandbox||BHF|STR|Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} {{BS3/sandbox|STR|BHF||Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} {{BS3-2/sandbox||BHF|STR|Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} {{BS3-2/sandbox|STR|BHF||Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} }}
As I mentioned months ago in the major {{ BS-overlap}} update, I have been in the progress of re-introducing tooltips for BSicons using a user script. Now, for those editors who are interested to try out this optional tool, you may take a look on User:Peterwhy/BSiconTooltips for more descriptions and an installation guide. — Peter why 18:28, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
John Vandenberg has reported at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback#Railway templates consuming entire page width that some (but not all) RDT templates are being displayed across the entire width of the page when viewed in VisualEditor (this is distinct from the known alignment issues). He (and I) haven't been able to identify what might be causing the issue on those templates that exhibit it and not on others. Details at the above link, but any help figuring this out would be appreciated. Thryduulf ( talk) 09:49, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
I am having problems with an editor who feels that RDTs are simply a Navbox or a list of stations. There should probably be something on the Project page that provides a clear and concise definition and statement of purpose, perhaps something along the lines of “A route diagram template is a graphical representation of a transportation line or network that contains wikilinks to its main elements and other associated features.” Any input would be welcome. Useddenim ( talk) 11:17, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
This page mentions proposed lines in the #{{BS2text}} {{BS3text}} {{BS4text}} … {{BS9text}} section, but nowhere on this page does it talk about how to handle future information. I think adding proposed stations and lines is a bad idea, because they can often be cancelled, changed, or be many, many years into the future. I think readers expect some sort of certainty in the illustration, if an encyclopedia has decided to show it in a detailed illustration. My opinion is to not show a station until the construction of it has been planned. 117Avenue ( talk) 03:32, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
“If an unusual situation requires using a current icon unconventionally, give an explanation either by the text level with the icon or by a note at the top or bottom of the map, separated by an empty row or border line, showing the "misused" icon and its meaning.”
{{BS-map|map={{BS|uexLSTR|O1=uKBHFe||{{lrt|Century Park}}}}{{BS|uexLCONTf|||''future [[Capital Line#South expansion|South LRT]]''}}}}
Since this project page has no section on the purpose and scope, or the appropriate use on the template, as proposed by Useddenim in the section above, the only place we have to put any sort of resolution to this is the tips section. How does this sound:
117Avenue ( talk) 02:54, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
I guess no one has a problem with this? 117Avenue ( talk) 08:43, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
I've just created a new RDT Template:Newcastle-Gateshead RDT, but I can't work out how to correctly size the text. The last line should be the smaller text size, while Gateshead Interchange should be full size. Any other improvements or tidying also appreciated! Thryduulf ( talk) 14:41, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
{{
BS5-2}}
to {{
BS3-2}}
. Besides that, I made the whole RDT non-collapsed on the template page so that it's easier to view; I removed the
which looked like a misleading placeholder; and also the category, which is superfluous because it's pulled in by {{
UK-railway-routemap}}
. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
17:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
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{{BS2||STR}}
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|
{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
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{{BS2||BHF|||{{BSsplit|BSkm|BSkm|line=1|align=right}}}}
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{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF||||{{BSsplit|BSkm|BSkm|line=1|align=right}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
|
BSto |
{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF|{{BSto|BSto|BSto}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
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{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF||{{BSto|BSto|BSto}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
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{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF|||{{BSto|BSto|BSto}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
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{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF||||{{BSto|BSto|BSto}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
|
BSsplit |
{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF|{{BSsplit|BSsplit|BSsplit}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
|
{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF||{{BSsplit|BSsplit|BSsplit}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
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{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF|||{{BSsplit|BSsplit|BSsplit}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
|
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{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF||||{{BSsplit|BSsplit|BSsplit}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
|
text1 | text2 | text3 | text4 | |
---|---|---|---|---|
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{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
{{BS2||BHF|PX=25px|{{BSsplit|BSkm|BSkm|line=1|align=right}}}}
{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
}}
|
{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
{{BS2||BHF|PX=25px||{{BSsplit|BSkm|BSkm|line=1|align=right}}}}
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}}
|
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{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
}}
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-- Sameboat - 同舟 ( talk) 17:40, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Please comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains. Useddenim ( talk) 01:03, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
G-13114 (
talk ·
contribs) seems to have embarked on a program to change all
(
ACC
) and
(
HSTACC
) symbols to plain
(
BHF
)/
(
HST
) icons. (See
[2] and
[3], for example) using the rationale ‘wikipedia is not a travel guide’.
Useddenim (
talk)
00:49, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Whenever the BScvt distances are used in a route diagram, the two lines of measurements cause gaps in the diagram, rather than a continuous line. → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 07:14, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
There are two discussions at WP:Templates for discussion that some members of this project might be interested in ( here and here). Jc86035 ( talk • contribs) Use {{ re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 13:19, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
I made a new icon. It basically
(
hBHFCCe
) with wheelchair access.
Here are some:
Any thoughts? γ=2πrt2 ( talk| Contributions) 06:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Discussion restored at Commons:Talk:BSicon/New icons and icon requests#htACCe.
Is there a convention on how to orient a diagram: e.g., should the northern-most or possibly eastern-most places be towards the top? Ingafube ( talk) 12:41, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
ru:template:routemap was originally written by user:YLSS but he(she?) is dormant for few months already for reason we can hardly know, so I decided to copy the module to en.wp and begin actual usage. The basic documentation is ready but there are few more tricky functions like colspan not detailed in the doc because I barely used it in zh.wp. Some London railway routemaps have already been "Lua-ified" in zh.wp (albeit somehow outdated) so you may check the Chinese version for comparison like template:Gospel Oak to Barking Line and zh:福音橡至柏京綫. -- Sameboat - 同舟 ( talk · contri.) 02:50, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Comparison (click preview and scroll to bottom for Parser profiling data):
{{{
markup. Lua templates have a totally different syntax, that is not at all easy to trace through, and it is not possible to find out if a parameter is valid or not (some people say that it is, but nobody has yet been able to demonstrate it to me). --
Redrose64 (
talk)
19:31, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
If I understand the above discussion correctly, the new method allows RDTs to be created where a lot of columns are needed (bigger than BS9?), and also those diagrams which are so large that they exceed the allowable size for an RDT. If this is the case, then I suggest that we don't go changing existing RDTs to the new format, unless one of the two conditions above is met. Mjroots ( talk) 10:01, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
I've just gone to make an edit on {{ Waverley Line}} only to find that it has changed from something that is understandable and easily editable to complete gobbledegook. There should be an IMMEDIATE MORATORIUM to these undiscussed massed changes in format to RDTs that clearly do not require many columns or exceed template size limits. This is getting out of hand. Just because a very small group of editors think that they have had a good idea, doesn't necessarily mean that it is a good idea. These proposals should be thoroughly discussed, explained and WP:CONSENSUS gained before they are brought in en masse. Mjroots ( talk) 15:05, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
exABZrf
) and
eABZrf
).
Useddenim (
talk)
16:45, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Further to the above discussion, should RDTs generally be converted to the Lua format, or left as they were originally created, with exceptions for those RDTs that either require a large number of columns or exceed template size limits.
The argument in favour of the change is mostly based on the time it takes to load the diagrams. In many cases, this is not an issue as diagrams generally are not so big as to seriously impede on page load times. The argument against the changes is that they are being brought in en masse without consensus for such change. Apart from the very few editors who have thought up this new system, nobody understands how it works. I tried editing one such template under the new system and couldn't work out what went where, let alone a simple action such as moving a line of text up one line.
Whilst this subject is under discussion, and as the new system is being challenged, no existing RDTs should be changed, unless and until such time as there is consensus to do so. Editors who disregard this will be warned and blocked as necessary. Mjroots ( talk) 17:38, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
BHF
!~
uSTRq
) is slightly simpler.
Jc86035 (
talk •
contribs) Use {{
re|Jc86035}} to reply to me
10:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)<includeonly>|inline=1</includeonly>
in the diagram template page. --
Sameboat - 同舟 (
talk ·
contri.)
13:19, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
(Pinging Mjroots, Sameboat, Headbomb, Redrose64, Useddenim, Mackensen, JohnMcButts, and AlbinoFerret.)
Since the RFC has concluded, how should we proceed with the conversion of RDTs to {{ Routemap}}? I personally think that we should first convert the diagrams which still use {{ BS-table}} and {{ Railway line header}}, and then proceed with the templates using {{ BS-map}}. Note that both the {{BSn}} (up to {{ BS10}}) and {{BSn-2}} series of templates (although not the collapsible headers) can now be substituted to produce {{ Routemap}} code. Jc86035 ( talk • contribs) Use {{ re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 11:17, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
A bug seems to have appeared in the last 24 hours which has led to a number of RDTs incorrectly displaying. See for example
Duckmanton Junction,
Lancashire, Derbyshire and East Coast Railway and
East Halton railway station. Any ideas what caused this? There have been no recent changes to {{
BS-map}}
.
Lamberhurst (
talk)
15:15, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
{{
BS-table}}
and {{
BS-map/map}}
early this morning by
D'SuperHero (
talk ·
contribs).
My rollback will have fixed the first template, and a
revert by
MSGJ (
talk ·
contribs) will have fixed the second, but they won't have prevented ancillary damage; that and the fixes both need to progress through the job queue before everything's right again. @
JohnMcButts: a
WP:NULLEDIT should fix any page (whether template or article) where you see a misdisplayed RDT; you don't need to add any spaces - click "edit" and go straight for Save page. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
20:40, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Probably should have let you all know earlier here rather than on Template talk:BS-map, but I have updated both BS-map and the legacy BS trio to the new Routemap styling. I have been quite careful in preserving the layout of all current templates, so nothing should have broken, but if you find that something's broken, ping me, or leave a note on my talk page. Best wishes, jcc ( tea and biscuits) 18:02, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
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See {{ Suez Canal map}}. This edit (better: this edit) spoiled the row saying "E-class turning dock, local connection channel" (visible after you expand "Port Said"). I'd like to see back the old water routes. And no diffusive channels. - DePiep ( talk) 23:40, 5 May 2013 (UTC) Adjusted - DePiep ( talk) 23:45, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains/Archive: 2013#Template include size is exceeded. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 21:09, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
There is some weird rail gauge auto conversion happening someplace. I do not like the results.
The template {{ Hejaz Railway}} has this entry:
When reading it on the template page it renders as
However in the article Hejaz Railway I read
The conversion is bloat in this context, it makes the template unnecessarily wide and still the line does not fit.
The reason may be some auto conversion on all railway articles. If so, templates should be protected from the conversion. -- Petri Krohn ( talk) 01:09, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
I am working with {{ Panama Canal map}} (created it, along with similar {{ Suez Canal map}}. Should be ... diagram I know).
I'd like to improve it this way: a written (verbose) 'legend'. Or better: description of the systems that come together. So, for example, I want to explain that apart from the plain canal, there is also a waterflow system. And a freshwater issue. Now I tried full-text rows, but I cannot get it working. See {{ Panama Canal map/sandbox}}.
Please, any suggestion for the RDT in this (and about the complexity: systems together)? The sandbox is free for edits. - DePiep ( talk) 22:32, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
{{
Railway line header}}/{{
BS-header}}/{{
BS-table}}
construct.
Useddenim (
talk)
01:55, 5 June 2013 (UTC)At least two RDTs are using HUB icons such as
(HUB11
) to draw a boundary, see
Template:Bristol railway map and
Template:Metrolink RTD. I recently noticed that neither of these was showing the complete boundary (see old versions
Bristol railway map and
Metrolink RTD). I worked out that the boundary lines were all set using the overlap parameters |O1=
etc. and that all the gaps in the boundary line occurred where the boundary passed through a cell where there was no base icon. Accordingly, at such positions, I moved the overlap icon to base position, and the boundaries are now complete again.
Having fixed those, I would like to locate and fix up any other cases. The cause is simple: since
this edit, {{
BS-overlap}}
has ignored any cell where there is no base icon, even if one or more overlaps have been set. Rather than try to alter it to draw the overlap icons when there is no base icon (which would slow down the template), I think it would be best to add some code to detect such usage, so that RDTs can be fixed up individually. This is probably best done using a tracking category - I'm not sure which category would be best for the job, but it would go where I've put <!-- Error: overlap icon(s) with no base icon -->
in
this edit. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
20:11, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
I recently encountered an error for RDT in mobile view as shown in the screenshot, where some icons are in double size. Although I am not able to test it, I suspect this was due to these CSS styles:
img.tex, .image img, .thumb img {
max-width:100% !important;
width: auto !important;
height: auto !important
}
And unfortunately, almost all icons fall into the selector ".image img", which selects images inside an <a> tag to the image description page. Similarly, the error also happens for icons quoted by {{
BSicon quote}}, like
(
STR
). I have not yet found another template example outside RDT which uses inline images linked to their own description page.
This error happens in my iOS6 device, for both Safari and Google Chrome browsers. My device has a Retina display which loads images in 2x resolution but shows images in 1x resolution. This error does not happen with my PC with Firefox nor Google Chrome, but I guess this is only because my PC does not have 2x device pixel ratio. — Peter why 16:58, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
Just wanted to inform you about a discussion regarding replacing current set of route diagram templates with a single one. KPu3uC B Poccuu ( talk) 07:28, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
{{BS-map |title=Merging BS and BS-2 |collapse={{collapse|}} |map-title=BS''n'' alone |map= {{BS3/sandbox||STRq||Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|tw=100px}} {{BS3/sandbox||BHF|STR|Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4}} {{BS3-startCollapsible/sandbox2||STRq||Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4}} {{BS3-replace/sandbox|STR|BHF}} {{BS3/sandbox||BHF|STR|Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4}} {{!}}} |map2-title=BS''n''-2 alone |map2= {{BS3-2/sandbox||STRq||Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} {{BS3-2/sandbox||BHF|STR|Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} {{BS3-2/sandbox|STR|BHF||Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} {{BS3-2/sandbox||BHF|STR|Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} |map3-title=mixing BS''n'' and BS''n''-2 |map3= {{BS/sandbox|STRq|Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} {{BS3/sandbox|STR|BHF||Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} {{BS3-2/sandbox||BHF|STR|Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} {{BS3/sandbox|STR|BHF||Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} {{BS3-2/sandbox||BHF|STR|Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} {{BS3-2/sandbox|STR|BHF||Text1|Text2|Text3|Text4|Text5}} }}
As I mentioned months ago in the major {{ BS-overlap}} update, I have been in the progress of re-introducing tooltips for BSicons using a user script. Now, for those editors who are interested to try out this optional tool, you may take a look on User:Peterwhy/BSiconTooltips for more descriptions and an installation guide. — Peter why 18:28, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
John Vandenberg has reported at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback#Railway templates consuming entire page width that some (but not all) RDT templates are being displayed across the entire width of the page when viewed in VisualEditor (this is distinct from the known alignment issues). He (and I) haven't been able to identify what might be causing the issue on those templates that exhibit it and not on others. Details at the above link, but any help figuring this out would be appreciated. Thryduulf ( talk) 09:49, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
I am having problems with an editor who feels that RDTs are simply a Navbox or a list of stations. There should probably be something on the Project page that provides a clear and concise definition and statement of purpose, perhaps something along the lines of “A route diagram template is a graphical representation of a transportation line or network that contains wikilinks to its main elements and other associated features.” Any input would be welcome. Useddenim ( talk) 11:17, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
This page mentions proposed lines in the #{{BS2text}} {{BS3text}} {{BS4text}} … {{BS9text}} section, but nowhere on this page does it talk about how to handle future information. I think adding proposed stations and lines is a bad idea, because they can often be cancelled, changed, or be many, many years into the future. I think readers expect some sort of certainty in the illustration, if an encyclopedia has decided to show it in a detailed illustration. My opinion is to not show a station until the construction of it has been planned. 117Avenue ( talk) 03:32, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
“If an unusual situation requires using a current icon unconventionally, give an explanation either by the text level with the icon or by a note at the top or bottom of the map, separated by an empty row or border line, showing the "misused" icon and its meaning.”
{{BS-map|map={{BS|uexLSTR|O1=uKBHFe||{{lrt|Century Park}}}}{{BS|uexLCONTf|||''future [[Capital Line#South expansion|South LRT]]''}}}}
Since this project page has no section on the purpose and scope, or the appropriate use on the template, as proposed by Useddenim in the section above, the only place we have to put any sort of resolution to this is the tips section. How does this sound:
117Avenue ( talk) 02:54, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
I guess no one has a problem with this? 117Avenue ( talk) 08:43, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
I've just created a new RDT Template:Newcastle-Gateshead RDT, but I can't work out how to correctly size the text. The last line should be the smaller text size, while Gateshead Interchange should be full size. Any other improvements or tidying also appreciated! Thryduulf ( talk) 14:41, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
{{
BS5-2}}
to {{
BS3-2}}
. Besides that, I made the whole RDT non-collapsed on the template page so that it's easier to view; I removed the
which looked like a misleading placeholder; and also the category, which is superfluous because it's pulled in by {{
UK-railway-routemap}}
. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
17:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
text1 | text2 | text3 | text4 | |
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BSkm |
{|{{railway line header}}
{{BS-table|no}}
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF|{{BSsplit|BSkm|BSkm|line=1|align=right}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
|}
|}
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{|{{railway line header}}
{{BS-table|no}}
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF||{{BSsplit|BSkm|BSkm|line=1|align=right}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
|}
|}
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{|{{railway line header}}
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{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF|||{{BSsplit|BSkm|BSkm|line=1|align=right}}}}
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|}
|}
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{|{{railway line header}}
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{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF||||{{BSsplit|BSkm|BSkm|line=1|align=right}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
|}
|}
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{|{{railway line header}}
{{BS-table|no}}
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF|{{BSto|BSto|BSto}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
|}
|}
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{|{{railway line header}}
{{BS-table|no}}
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF||{{BSto|BSto|BSto}}}}
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{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF|||{{BSto|BSto|BSto}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
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{|{{railway line header}}
{{BS-table|no}}
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF||||{{BSto|BSto|BSto}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
|}
|}
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BSsplit |
{|{{railway line header}}
{{BS-table|no}}
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF|{{BSsplit|BSsplit|BSsplit}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
|}
|}
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{|{{railway line header}}
{{BS-table|no}}
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF||{{BSsplit|BSsplit|BSsplit}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
|}
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{|{{railway line header}}
{{BS-table|no}}
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF|||{{BSsplit|BSsplit|BSsplit}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
|}
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{|{{railway line header}}
{{BS-table|no}}
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|}
|}
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text1 | text2 | text3 | text4 | |
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{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF|{{BSsplit|BSkm|BSkm|line=1|align=right}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
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{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF||{{BSsplit|BSkm|BSkm|line=1|align=right}}}}
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}}
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{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF|||{{BSsplit|BSkm|BSkm|line=1|align=right}}}}
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}}
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{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF||||{{BSsplit|BSkm|BSkm|line=1|align=right}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
|
BSto |
{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF|{{BSto|BSto|BSto}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
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{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF||{{BSto|BSto|BSto}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
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{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF|||{{BSto|BSto|BSto}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
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{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF||||{{BSto|BSto|BSto}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
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BSsplit |
{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF|{{BSsplit|BSsplit|BSsplit}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
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{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF||{{BSsplit|BSsplit|BSsplit}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
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{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF|||{{BSsplit|BSsplit|BSsplit}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
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{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR}}
{{BS2||BHF||||{{BSsplit|BSsplit|BSsplit}}}}
{{BS2||STR}}
}}
|
text1 | text2 | text3 | text4 | |
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BSkm |
{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
{{BS2||BHF|PX=25px|{{BSsplit|BSkm|BSkm|line=1|align=right}}}}
{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
}}
|
{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
{{BS2||BHF|PX=25px||{{BSsplit|BSkm|BSkm|line=1|align=right}}}}
{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
}}
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{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
{{BS2||BHF|PX=25px|||{{BSsplit|BSkm|BSkm|line=1|align=right}}}}
{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
}}
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{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
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}}
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{{BS-map|legend=0|map=
{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
{{BS2||BHF|PX=25px|{{BSto|BSto|BSto}}}}
{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
}}
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{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
{{BS2||BHF|PX=25px||{{BSto|BSto|BSto}}}}
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}}
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}}
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}}
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BSsplit |
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{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
{{BS2||BHF|PX=25px|{{BSsplit|BSsplit|BSsplit}}}}
{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
}}
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{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
{{BS2||BHF|PX=25px||{{BSsplit|BSsplit|BSsplit}}}}
{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
}}
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{{BS2||STR|PX=25px}}
}}
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}}
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-- Sameboat - 同舟 ( talk) 17:40, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Please comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains. Useddenim ( talk) 01:03, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
G-13114 (
talk ·
contribs) seems to have embarked on a program to change all
(
ACC
) and
(
HSTACC
) symbols to plain
(
BHF
)/
(
HST
) icons. (See
[2] and
[3], for example) using the rationale ‘wikipedia is not a travel guide’.
Useddenim (
talk)
00:49, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Whenever the BScvt distances are used in a route diagram, the two lines of measurements cause gaps in the diagram, rather than a continuous line. → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 07:14, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
There are two discussions at WP:Templates for discussion that some members of this project might be interested in ( here and here). Jc86035 ( talk • contribs) Use {{ re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 13:19, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
I made a new icon. It basically
(
hBHFCCe
) with wheelchair access.
Here are some:
Any thoughts? γ=2πrt2 ( talk| Contributions) 06:51, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Discussion restored at Commons:Talk:BSicon/New icons and icon requests#htACCe.
Is there a convention on how to orient a diagram: e.g., should the northern-most or possibly eastern-most places be towards the top? Ingafube ( talk) 12:41, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
ru:template:routemap was originally written by user:YLSS but he(she?) is dormant for few months already for reason we can hardly know, so I decided to copy the module to en.wp and begin actual usage. The basic documentation is ready but there are few more tricky functions like colspan not detailed in the doc because I barely used it in zh.wp. Some London railway routemaps have already been "Lua-ified" in zh.wp (albeit somehow outdated) so you may check the Chinese version for comparison like template:Gospel Oak to Barking Line and zh:福音橡至柏京綫. -- Sameboat - 同舟 ( talk · contri.) 02:50, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
Comparison (click preview and scroll to bottom for Parser profiling data):
{{{
markup. Lua templates have a totally different syntax, that is not at all easy to trace through, and it is not possible to find out if a parameter is valid or not (some people say that it is, but nobody has yet been able to demonstrate it to me). --
Redrose64 (
talk)
19:31, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
If I understand the above discussion correctly, the new method allows RDTs to be created where a lot of columns are needed (bigger than BS9?), and also those diagrams which are so large that they exceed the allowable size for an RDT. If this is the case, then I suggest that we don't go changing existing RDTs to the new format, unless one of the two conditions above is met. Mjroots ( talk) 10:01, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
I've just gone to make an edit on {{ Waverley Line}} only to find that it has changed from something that is understandable and easily editable to complete gobbledegook. There should be an IMMEDIATE MORATORIUM to these undiscussed massed changes in format to RDTs that clearly do not require many columns or exceed template size limits. This is getting out of hand. Just because a very small group of editors think that they have had a good idea, doesn't necessarily mean that it is a good idea. These proposals should be thoroughly discussed, explained and WP:CONSENSUS gained before they are brought in en masse. Mjroots ( talk) 15:05, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
exABZrf
) and
eABZrf
).
Useddenim (
talk)
16:45, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Further to the above discussion, should RDTs generally be converted to the Lua format, or left as they were originally created, with exceptions for those RDTs that either require a large number of columns or exceed template size limits.
The argument in favour of the change is mostly based on the time it takes to load the diagrams. In many cases, this is not an issue as diagrams generally are not so big as to seriously impede on page load times. The argument against the changes is that they are being brought in en masse without consensus for such change. Apart from the very few editors who have thought up this new system, nobody understands how it works. I tried editing one such template under the new system and couldn't work out what went where, let alone a simple action such as moving a line of text up one line.
Whilst this subject is under discussion, and as the new system is being challenged, no existing RDTs should be changed, unless and until such time as there is consensus to do so. Editors who disregard this will be warned and blocked as necessary. Mjroots ( talk) 17:38, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
BHF
!~
uSTRq
) is slightly simpler.
Jc86035 (
talk •
contribs) Use {{
re|Jc86035}} to reply to me
10:32, 8 September 2015 (UTC)<includeonly>|inline=1</includeonly>
in the diagram template page. --
Sameboat - 同舟 (
talk ·
contri.)
13:19, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
(Pinging Mjroots, Sameboat, Headbomb, Redrose64, Useddenim, Mackensen, JohnMcButts, and AlbinoFerret.)
Since the RFC has concluded, how should we proceed with the conversion of RDTs to {{ Routemap}}? I personally think that we should first convert the diagrams which still use {{ BS-table}} and {{ Railway line header}}, and then proceed with the templates using {{ BS-map}}. Note that both the {{BSn}} (up to {{ BS10}}) and {{BSn-2}} series of templates (although not the collapsible headers) can now be substituted to produce {{ Routemap}} code. Jc86035 ( talk • contribs) Use {{ re|Jc86035}} to reply to me 11:17, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
A bug seems to have appeared in the last 24 hours which has led to a number of RDTs incorrectly displaying. See for example
Duckmanton Junction,
Lancashire, Derbyshire and East Coast Railway and
East Halton railway station. Any ideas what caused this? There have been no recent changes to {{
BS-map}}
.
Lamberhurst (
talk)
15:15, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
{{
BS-table}}
and {{
BS-map/map}}
early this morning by
D'SuperHero (
talk ·
contribs).
My rollback will have fixed the first template, and a
revert by
MSGJ (
talk ·
contribs) will have fixed the second, but they won't have prevented ancillary damage; that and the fixes both need to progress through the job queue before everything's right again. @
JohnMcButts: a
WP:NULLEDIT should fix any page (whether template or article) where you see a misdisplayed RDT; you don't need to add any spaces - click "edit" and go straight for Save page. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
20:40, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
Probably should have let you all know earlier here rather than on Template talk:BS-map, but I have updated both BS-map and the legacy BS trio to the new Routemap styling. I have been quite careful in preserving the layout of all current templates, so nothing should have broken, but if you find that something's broken, ping me, or leave a note on my talk page. Best wishes, jcc ( tea and biscuits) 18:02, 4 March 2016 (UTC)