The following is an accurate copy of relevant discussion on WP:AN/I as of 05:16, 13 December 2005 (UTC). Please make further comments in a separate section.
User:Anittas, with whom I have interacted in the past, to the best of my recollection not always unfavorably, has made an anti-Semitic remark directed at another user. I took umbrage at this. I left a note on his talk page. I asked him to retract and apologize, which he apparently will not do. I also added—and I will stand by this—"Almost no amount of good conduct can make up for something like this in my eyes. And if you want to consider my remarks here a personal attack, fine, we can have our RfC now." Apparently, he does not intend to retract or apologize, and does consider my statement a personal attack, because his response was Okay. Start a RfC on me.
Which is just what I intend to do, but so far I appear to be the only user who has contacted Annitas to raise the issue. As I understand it, at least one other person must sing on for an RfC to have standing. I would greatly appreciate it if someone else, preferably also an admin, and in any case willing to sign on to an RfC if they get a similar result, would approach this user about this, so that there is standing for me to proceed with this. Meanwhile, I will begin to draft the RfC at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Anittas. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I will support an RFC against Anittas. He repeadedly made offensive comments at Node ue's sexual orientation. Oleg Alexandrov ( talk) 03:48, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Per remark above, I am copying the discussion so far to Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Anittas, because this is getting to be a bit much for AN/I. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:14, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
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Xed asks above—I'm not sure whether seriously or in jest—How many extra vowels are needed before this violent intent becomes obvious? To answer in more or less the same tone: I would hesitate to state a minimum, but this is well over the line.
But perhaps Xed has read only one word of the remark I was objecting to. I've avoided quoting it on people's user pages, and on WP:AN/I, but here it is:
I am (barely) willing to believe Anittas protest that he is "not an anti-Semite", but if so he did a rather convincing imitation of one with this remark. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Carbonite and Xed both make comparisons to this edit of mine, in which I used the expression "Cry me a river, white boy." To give it its full context:
Deeceevoice is one of the best contributors I've worked with on Wikipedia. Definitely not the queen of mellow, but that's not what we are here for. In terms of civility, she is certainly more sinned against than sinning. Yes, occasionally she takes offense sooner than she might, but, in case you folk haven't noticed, on the whole she is doing good work in an often hostile environment. On the whole, my response to the complaints above can be summed up in the words of a certain ex-girlfriend of mine in a similar situation (I was not, by the way, the person toward whom it was directed): "Cry me a river, white boy." -- Jmabel | Talk 01:28, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
A few remarks.
-- Jmabel | Talk 05:55, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
"I have a limited willingness to listen to White men complaining about the hostile environment a lone Black woman is somehow creating"
It's indeed amazing that you are defending the personal and racist attacks posted by a black woman, such as:
"YOU (white folks) celebrate a holiday named in honor of a racist, slaveholding, slave trading cracker."
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If Wikipedia wants to be intimidated by a handful of Zionist azzholes who can't stand to read a differing opinion, then that's pretty pathetic.
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Most white folks, I think are simply ignorant by default
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LOL! You're an ASIAN, and you wanna talk about the size of someone's balls? ROFLMBAO. (slappin' sides)
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I find such images and the display of so much pink flesh distasteful
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You come off looking like an even bigger jackass. ... I don't give a shyt what you think. You're nothing but a weasel
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Stop buggin', bwoi. Go preach to someone who gives a damn. You're boring me. *yawn*
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dang, bwoi. You a fool. :-p .
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it amazes me that people have nothing better to do on this website than play Miss Manners with other adults like prissy, pedantic, insufferable, niggling, mealy-mouthed, self-righteous, tattletale brats... But take your RfC and -- well ... I think you get the idea.
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but get so worked up over some additional vowels. I sense some major double standards as well.
posted by {84.178.243.86}
Possibly inadvertantly, Annitas has twice misrepresented what I wrote on his user talk page, first in the conversation from WP:AN/I (reproduced above) and now on the RfC itself.
First an aside: Anittas, I didn't have any sinister intent in failing to mention to you that I brought this to WP:AN/I. You basically challenged me to start an RfC. They can't be started singlehandedly, one needs at least one other person to certify it, so I went to the obvious place to do so. It honestly didn't even cross my mind to inform you I was doing that. I assume that it was a similar matter that you didn't think to inform me that you were mentioning it on the Romanian Wikipedian's notice board.
Anittas writes, "When Jmabel left me the message on my talk-page, he used a hostile tone, accusing me for making an anti-Semetic comment and demanding that I apologize to Node; or else, face a RfC where, and I quote: 'my goal in doing so will be to get you banned from Wikipedia for as long a time as possible.'"
I am quoted accurately, but out of context. Here is what I actually wrote:
In other words, the threat to face a hostile RfC was not just if he would not apologize to Node. It is if he would not apologize and would make similar comments in the future. As you can see, the present RfC is not an attempt to get him banned. If he will retract his comment to Node, I will retract my remarks to him. If he leaves it stand, but stops making remarks like this, fine. But, yes, another similar remark will lead to my escalate.
I also think he is willfully misunderstanding "similar edit", and will admit to having my suspicions, given the mocking tone of his response, that he is willfully misunderstanding it. I believe my comments above on this page clarify the matter, so I won't repeat myself, but if anyone has specific questions, I will answer them. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
This stuff may seem a bit off-topic, but I brought up the subject and I feel like clarifying. Esti jidan is literally translated as "You are Jew", while esti un jidan is literally translated as "You are a Jew". In both cases, one can say that jidan functions as a noun, but like a professor of mine said, the distinction between noun and adjective is a matter of usage. One can say that in esti jidan (or esti evreu), jidan (evreu) can also be seen as an adjective. The point of this is that I believe a native Romanian speaker is more inclined to say "You are a Jew", rather than "You are Jewish". Add to this the cultural situation in Romania even today, where Jews are very often seen by ethnic Romanians as being a separate ethnicity. I'm sure many Jewish Romanians however consider themselves Romanians, though there are always people on both sides who discriminate; the definition of ethnic group includes religion and culture; a different religion and differences in culture and even differences in ancestry can easily lead to a separate ethnic group being defined; a group within a group.
Whatever the case, Anittas was referring specifically to Node's situation. He was not telling a Jewish Moldovan, born and raised, "You are not a Moldovan, you are a Jew", which I would consider anti-Semitic and incorrect (He would be a Moldovan: a Jewish-Moldovan). Alexander 007 12:54, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I would like Jmabel and Monk to apologize to me for damaging my image by accusing me of anti-Semetic feelings. Jmabel never asked me personally what I meant by that remark, and Monk didn't try to solve the dispute. Monk posted on my talk-page when I was working, and 21-minutes later, they signed the petition against me. That's not what I call trying to work things out. These two were never interested in investigating my intent, but rather, they wanted to force me to apologize. Apologize for what? For Node not being a Moldovan, but a Jew? This is silly. Yes, my intent was to make Node understand that he is not a Moldovan. We've told him this a few times, but he won't get it. Perhaps next time, someone needs to extend the word "Jew" and write it in caps. Perhaps then, Node will understand. -- Anittas 16:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Four tests need to be applied here:
The following comments seem sufficiently on-topic that I am presenting them here rather than the talk page; if someone can suggest a better place for them, I have no problem with that. Other endorsers of the statement of the dispute should not be presumed to have "signed on" to these comments, unless they endorse them separately and explicitly.
I see from the talk page that several people have used the occasion of this RfC to attack me, which I guess happens often enough. If people think my own conduct has been a problem, please start an RfC about me rather than using this one to attack me, because I'd rather not complicate matters by presenting my defense here. Of course, I would prefer not to have such an RfC started at all, but if you are going to criticize me, I believe that would be the appropriate place to do it.
I was really hoping to keep things simple, because I considered the matter so clearcut, and all I was (and am) asking for was retraction, apology and desisting from similar behavior in the future. But apparently it is not that simple.
It is fully possible that Anittas did not intend the remark in question as anti-Semitic. For what it's worth, the last two times that someone called me a Jew and stretched the word out like that were both when I was a teenager. About the age Node claims to be now, as a matter of fact. In one case it was while I was being chased by a crowd of other teens throwing rocks. (They also called me some other choice words that I will not reprint here.) In the other case, it was immediately followed by a punch in the face, and preceded by a remark pretty similar to Anittas's, about my not really being an American. So perhaps I am a bit sensitive on this topic, but not, I think, inappropriately so.
Looking now through the page history, Anittas was not alone in picking on Node; he was not even the worst offender; he was just the one who pushed my personal button. He also happens to have done this less than three hours after this edit of mine, referring to a discussion that Node should be banned from editing the page:
Strongly oppose. You want to start an RfC, and move toward arbitration? Fine. But, otherwise, you don't have any right to tell someone he cannot edit. I think some of his views here are misguided, but I also think he's helped strengthen our thinking about the topic. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't really want to start an RfC about each person who insulted Node. What I want is for them to stop. Perhaps this was not the best vehicle to do so. At this point, I won't even worry about an apology, and will take at face value Anittas's claim that the remark was not intended as anti-Semitic, although I hope he will take my word that I sure heard it that way and I'm not just making this up to be mean to him or something like that. I will, however, use this relatively public forum to ask him and others—as I say, looking through the history, his remarks are by no means the worst—to cease attacking Node over Node's ethnicity and sexual orientation, and that if they want to attack his editing as inappropriate (which some of it may be; he has probably at least skirted the line at times) that they do so through an RfC, mediation, arbitration, etc., not through personal attacks on talk pages of articles and claims that he shouldn't be allowed to edit. (By the way, on this last, Anittas position appears to be that he'd like Node banned from the page, but unlike some, he understood that people cannot "vote him off the island". [15] [16])
Which is to say, again, given the whole history here, I may have singled out the wrong person because of the timing and specific nature of Anittas's' remark, but my general grievance over the tone of the remarks on some of these talk pages still stands, and Anittas was a contributor to that tone although, now that I look through the history, certainly not the worst offender. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Anittas, initially I honestly had no idea what you are talking about when you say, "You even endorsed Mel's RfC, which is several months old, just to make me see what you think of me." I assume you mean Mel Etitis? Actually, I didn't even notice that you were a party to that (I haven't gone back and checked, but I assume from your remark that you were.) I've worked with Mel, and in the course of filing this RfC I noticed that there was an RfC out about him. I skimmed it; what he said coincided with what I've seen happen on a few articles he is involved in; and I endorsed what he said. End of story, at least as far as I'm concerned. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:07, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Anittas, I can see that your distancing yourself from anti-Semitic intent is sincere; I still think your words were ill-chosen, but that is another matter.
I'm willing to end this, and to withdraw my initial remark that I made on your talk page; you can choose whether it is deleted, struck through but visible, whatever. I would ask that you strike through your own ill-chosen words, but I won't insist.
However, I am still asking you and others to stop attacking Node on article talk pages. I can see from who has weighed in on this page that at least one of the worst offenders in this respect must have this page watchlisted; I presume he knows who he is, so I won't name names. I ask him to desist as well.
I seriously suggest that if you (that's a plural "you") have a problem with Node's conduct as an editor, start an RfC. The schoolyard bullying (in which I now see that Anittas was only a minor participant) does not belong in Wikipedia. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment. There is also the possibility that he wanted to underscore and make "his point", which was "You're not a Moldovan, you're a Jew". Compare: "You're a lifesaver! A lifesaverrrrrrrr!" Or whatever. Anittas wanted to drive home his "You're a Jew" message. Alexander 007 18:58, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment 2: Doesn't WP:AGF apply anymore? I fail to see how mispelling a word can be "anti-Semitic" as Jmabel puts it. Does anyone here know what anti-Semitism is? Does anyone realise that English may not be Anittas's mother tongue and that what he said might make more sense in his own language? Izehar ( talk) 19:03, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Ghirlandajo ????
Just look at his contributions:
So again look who's talking about! -- Bonaparte talk 11:32, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Or you could interpret Anittas's comment to mean: "You're not a Moldovan. You have no business editing here because you're a ...." Given Anittas's other antagonistic behavior on Wikipedia, I would conclude that's what he meant. Anittas's belief that only people of a certain background should be allowed to edit ethnic articles is contrary to Wikipedia's spirit of openness. -- malber 13:26, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I am a Jew. I am a Jeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!! But I don't keep kosher. :-) — Rickyrab | Talk 05:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
The following is an accurate copy of relevant discussion on WP:AN/I as of 05:16, 13 December 2005 (UTC). Please make further comments in a separate section.
User:Anittas, with whom I have interacted in the past, to the best of my recollection not always unfavorably, has made an anti-Semitic remark directed at another user. I took umbrage at this. I left a note on his talk page. I asked him to retract and apologize, which he apparently will not do. I also added—and I will stand by this—"Almost no amount of good conduct can make up for something like this in my eyes. And if you want to consider my remarks here a personal attack, fine, we can have our RfC now." Apparently, he does not intend to retract or apologize, and does consider my statement a personal attack, because his response was Okay. Start a RfC on me.
Which is just what I intend to do, but so far I appear to be the only user who has contacted Annitas to raise the issue. As I understand it, at least one other person must sing on for an RfC to have standing. I would greatly appreciate it if someone else, preferably also an admin, and in any case willing to sign on to an RfC if they get a similar result, would approach this user about this, so that there is standing for me to proceed with this. Meanwhile, I will begin to draft the RfC at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Anittas. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I will support an RFC against Anittas. He repeadedly made offensive comments at Node ue's sexual orientation. Oleg Alexandrov ( talk) 03:48, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Per remark above, I am copying the discussion so far to Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Anittas, because this is getting to be a bit much for AN/I. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:14, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
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Xed asks above—I'm not sure whether seriously or in jest—How many extra vowels are needed before this violent intent becomes obvious? To answer in more or less the same tone: I would hesitate to state a minimum, but this is well over the line.
But perhaps Xed has read only one word of the remark I was objecting to. I've avoided quoting it on people's user pages, and on WP:AN/I, but here it is:
I am (barely) willing to believe Anittas protest that he is "not an anti-Semite", but if so he did a rather convincing imitation of one with this remark. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:32, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Carbonite and Xed both make comparisons to this edit of mine, in which I used the expression "Cry me a river, white boy." To give it its full context:
Deeceevoice is one of the best contributors I've worked with on Wikipedia. Definitely not the queen of mellow, but that's not what we are here for. In terms of civility, she is certainly more sinned against than sinning. Yes, occasionally she takes offense sooner than she might, but, in case you folk haven't noticed, on the whole she is doing good work in an often hostile environment. On the whole, my response to the complaints above can be summed up in the words of a certain ex-girlfriend of mine in a similar situation (I was not, by the way, the person toward whom it was directed): "Cry me a river, white boy." -- Jmabel | Talk 01:28, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
A few remarks.
-- Jmabel | Talk 05:55, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
"I have a limited willingness to listen to White men complaining about the hostile environment a lone Black woman is somehow creating"
It's indeed amazing that you are defending the personal and racist attacks posted by a black woman, such as:
"YOU (white folks) celebrate a holiday named in honor of a racist, slaveholding, slave trading cracker."
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If Wikipedia wants to be intimidated by a handful of Zionist azzholes who can't stand to read a differing opinion, then that's pretty pathetic.
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Most white folks, I think are simply ignorant by default
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LOL! You're an ASIAN, and you wanna talk about the size of someone's balls? ROFLMBAO. (slappin' sides)
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I find such images and the display of so much pink flesh distasteful
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You come off looking like an even bigger jackass. ... I don't give a shyt what you think. You're nothing but a weasel
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Stop buggin', bwoi. Go preach to someone who gives a damn. You're boring me. *yawn*
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dang, bwoi. You a fool. :-p .
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it amazes me that people have nothing better to do on this website than play Miss Manners with other adults like prissy, pedantic, insufferable, niggling, mealy-mouthed, self-righteous, tattletale brats... But take your RfC and -- well ... I think you get the idea.
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but get so worked up over some additional vowels. I sense some major double standards as well.
posted by {84.178.243.86}
Possibly inadvertantly, Annitas has twice misrepresented what I wrote on his user talk page, first in the conversation from WP:AN/I (reproduced above) and now on the RfC itself.
First an aside: Anittas, I didn't have any sinister intent in failing to mention to you that I brought this to WP:AN/I. You basically challenged me to start an RfC. They can't be started singlehandedly, one needs at least one other person to certify it, so I went to the obvious place to do so. It honestly didn't even cross my mind to inform you I was doing that. I assume that it was a similar matter that you didn't think to inform me that you were mentioning it on the Romanian Wikipedian's notice board.
Anittas writes, "When Jmabel left me the message on my talk-page, he used a hostile tone, accusing me for making an anti-Semetic comment and demanding that I apologize to Node; or else, face a RfC where, and I quote: 'my goal in doing so will be to get you banned from Wikipedia for as long a time as possible.'"
I am quoted accurately, but out of context. Here is what I actually wrote:
In other words, the threat to face a hostile RfC was not just if he would not apologize to Node. It is if he would not apologize and would make similar comments in the future. As you can see, the present RfC is not an attempt to get him banned. If he will retract his comment to Node, I will retract my remarks to him. If he leaves it stand, but stops making remarks like this, fine. But, yes, another similar remark will lead to my escalate.
I also think he is willfully misunderstanding "similar edit", and will admit to having my suspicions, given the mocking tone of his response, that he is willfully misunderstanding it. I believe my comments above on this page clarify the matter, so I won't repeat myself, but if anyone has specific questions, I will answer them. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:24, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
This stuff may seem a bit off-topic, but I brought up the subject and I feel like clarifying. Esti jidan is literally translated as "You are Jew", while esti un jidan is literally translated as "You are a Jew". In both cases, one can say that jidan functions as a noun, but like a professor of mine said, the distinction between noun and adjective is a matter of usage. One can say that in esti jidan (or esti evreu), jidan (evreu) can also be seen as an adjective. The point of this is that I believe a native Romanian speaker is more inclined to say "You are a Jew", rather than "You are Jewish". Add to this the cultural situation in Romania even today, where Jews are very often seen by ethnic Romanians as being a separate ethnicity. I'm sure many Jewish Romanians however consider themselves Romanians, though there are always people on both sides who discriminate; the definition of ethnic group includes religion and culture; a different religion and differences in culture and even differences in ancestry can easily lead to a separate ethnic group being defined; a group within a group.
Whatever the case, Anittas was referring specifically to Node's situation. He was not telling a Jewish Moldovan, born and raised, "You are not a Moldovan, you are a Jew", which I would consider anti-Semitic and incorrect (He would be a Moldovan: a Jewish-Moldovan). Alexander 007 12:54, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I would like Jmabel and Monk to apologize to me for damaging my image by accusing me of anti-Semetic feelings. Jmabel never asked me personally what I meant by that remark, and Monk didn't try to solve the dispute. Monk posted on my talk-page when I was working, and 21-minutes later, they signed the petition against me. That's not what I call trying to work things out. These two were never interested in investigating my intent, but rather, they wanted to force me to apologize. Apologize for what? For Node not being a Moldovan, but a Jew? This is silly. Yes, my intent was to make Node understand that he is not a Moldovan. We've told him this a few times, but he won't get it. Perhaps next time, someone needs to extend the word "Jew" and write it in caps. Perhaps then, Node will understand. -- Anittas 16:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Four tests need to be applied here:
The following comments seem sufficiently on-topic that I am presenting them here rather than the talk page; if someone can suggest a better place for them, I have no problem with that. Other endorsers of the statement of the dispute should not be presumed to have "signed on" to these comments, unless they endorse them separately and explicitly.
I see from the talk page that several people have used the occasion of this RfC to attack me, which I guess happens often enough. If people think my own conduct has been a problem, please start an RfC about me rather than using this one to attack me, because I'd rather not complicate matters by presenting my defense here. Of course, I would prefer not to have such an RfC started at all, but if you are going to criticize me, I believe that would be the appropriate place to do it.
I was really hoping to keep things simple, because I considered the matter so clearcut, and all I was (and am) asking for was retraction, apology and desisting from similar behavior in the future. But apparently it is not that simple.
It is fully possible that Anittas did not intend the remark in question as anti-Semitic. For what it's worth, the last two times that someone called me a Jew and stretched the word out like that were both when I was a teenager. About the age Node claims to be now, as a matter of fact. In one case it was while I was being chased by a crowd of other teens throwing rocks. (They also called me some other choice words that I will not reprint here.) In the other case, it was immediately followed by a punch in the face, and preceded by a remark pretty similar to Anittas's, about my not really being an American. So perhaps I am a bit sensitive on this topic, but not, I think, inappropriately so.
Looking now through the page history, Anittas was not alone in picking on Node; he was not even the worst offender; he was just the one who pushed my personal button. He also happens to have done this less than three hours after this edit of mine, referring to a discussion that Node should be banned from editing the page:
Strongly oppose. You want to start an RfC, and move toward arbitration? Fine. But, otherwise, you don't have any right to tell someone he cannot edit. I think some of his views here are misguided, but I also think he's helped strengthen our thinking about the topic. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't really want to start an RfC about each person who insulted Node. What I want is for them to stop. Perhaps this was not the best vehicle to do so. At this point, I won't even worry about an apology, and will take at face value Anittas's claim that the remark was not intended as anti-Semitic, although I hope he will take my word that I sure heard it that way and I'm not just making this up to be mean to him or something like that. I will, however, use this relatively public forum to ask him and others—as I say, looking through the history, his remarks are by no means the worst—to cease attacking Node over Node's ethnicity and sexual orientation, and that if they want to attack his editing as inappropriate (which some of it may be; he has probably at least skirted the line at times) that they do so through an RfC, mediation, arbitration, etc., not through personal attacks on talk pages of articles and claims that he shouldn't be allowed to edit. (By the way, on this last, Anittas position appears to be that he'd like Node banned from the page, but unlike some, he understood that people cannot "vote him off the island". [15] [16])
Which is to say, again, given the whole history here, I may have singled out the wrong person because of the timing and specific nature of Anittas's' remark, but my general grievance over the tone of the remarks on some of these talk pages still stands, and Anittas was a contributor to that tone although, now that I look through the history, certainly not the worst offender. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Anittas, initially I honestly had no idea what you are talking about when you say, "You even endorsed Mel's RfC, which is several months old, just to make me see what you think of me." I assume you mean Mel Etitis? Actually, I didn't even notice that you were a party to that (I haven't gone back and checked, but I assume from your remark that you were.) I've worked with Mel, and in the course of filing this RfC I noticed that there was an RfC out about him. I skimmed it; what he said coincided with what I've seen happen on a few articles he is involved in; and I endorsed what he said. End of story, at least as far as I'm concerned. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:07, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Anittas, I can see that your distancing yourself from anti-Semitic intent is sincere; I still think your words were ill-chosen, but that is another matter.
I'm willing to end this, and to withdraw my initial remark that I made on your talk page; you can choose whether it is deleted, struck through but visible, whatever. I would ask that you strike through your own ill-chosen words, but I won't insist.
However, I am still asking you and others to stop attacking Node on article talk pages. I can see from who has weighed in on this page that at least one of the worst offenders in this respect must have this page watchlisted; I presume he knows who he is, so I won't name names. I ask him to desist as well.
I seriously suggest that if you (that's a plural "you") have a problem with Node's conduct as an editor, start an RfC. The schoolyard bullying (in which I now see that Anittas was only a minor participant) does not belong in Wikipedia. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment. There is also the possibility that he wanted to underscore and make "his point", which was "You're not a Moldovan, you're a Jew". Compare: "You're a lifesaver! A lifesaverrrrrrrr!" Or whatever. Anittas wanted to drive home his "You're a Jew" message. Alexander 007 18:58, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Comment 2: Doesn't WP:AGF apply anymore? I fail to see how mispelling a word can be "anti-Semitic" as Jmabel puts it. Does anyone here know what anti-Semitism is? Does anyone realise that English may not be Anittas's mother tongue and that what he said might make more sense in his own language? Izehar ( talk) 19:03, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Ghirlandajo ????
Just look at his contributions:
So again look who's talking about! -- Bonaparte talk 11:32, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Or you could interpret Anittas's comment to mean: "You're not a Moldovan. You have no business editing here because you're a ...." Given Anittas's other antagonistic behavior on Wikipedia, I would conclude that's what he meant. Anittas's belief that only people of a certain background should be allowed to edit ethnic articles is contrary to Wikipedia's spirit of openness. -- malber 13:26, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I am a Jew. I am a Jeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!! But I don't keep kosher. :-) — Rickyrab | Talk 05:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)