I think his response exemplifies exactly what's wrong with his attitude- people have tried to help him, he's just refused to listen. His definition of help is that he writes one sentence, and then a dedicated army of writers follow him around and clean-up and expand his articles. Spare Change (food) (currently on AfD), which he wrote today, is one example.-- Scimitar parley 20:25, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
See my evidence. Contrary to your false claim above, Maoririder was responsive and polite from the first. His editing style improved noticeably and by the end of the first week he was producing stubs of acceptable, sometimes even very good, quality on a diverse range of subjects.
You say Maoririder's definition of help is "that he writes one sentence, and then a dedicated army of writers follow him around and clean-up and expand his articles." So? Welcome to Wikipedia, baby! -- Tony Sidaway Talk 08:34, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Maoririder may be autistic, he may be a little kid, or he may just be a disingenuous stealth vandal. At this point, why does it matter? The creation of numerous sockpuppets and the continuation of disputed behavior certainly demonstrates that he doesn't have any desire to change, or even address that behavior.
Some would argue that this behavior isn't problematic. Fine, perhaps I'm wrong and this is normal behavior, perhaps it should even be encouraged but I doubt it. In any event, the fact that these actions are currently before the Arbitration Committee should be more than enough to suspend them for the duration of the investigation. If they find that Maoririder is acting in a perfectly normal fashion then fine, keep cranking out worthless nanostubs. Until then, don't you think a rational person who only wants to make Wikipedia better would take a timeout? I know I would.
As I mentioned above, at this point I don't think what/who we're dealing with is any longer relevant. The continuation of the behavior, the attacks on and general deprecation of people who originally tried to help him (most notably Lucky), and even his responses -- if they can even be termed as such -- to the charges are completely inexcusable.
Something else I find completely inexcusable is Tony's sudden interest in the situation and the fashion in which he's been conducting himself. The comments above demonstrate that he has little to no knowledge of the situation. I'm begging you, look at the same record everybody else is looking at! Maoririder was not at all responsive at any point. If you mean did he respond to comments on his talk page the answer is sometimes. If you mean did he alter his behavior in the slightest because of them the answer is a categorical no.
What I see isn't someone who wants to contribute to Wikipedia in any meaningful way that conforms with community consensus. What I see is someone of questionable motives and mental status who wants to add nonsensical garbage to Wikipedia to make himself feel better.
If it sounds like I'm being harsh it's because I am. I tried to be patient and helpful from the start, as did many others, but my patience wore thin a long time ago. I urge the Committee to consider the evidence at their earliest convenience as new points seem to be added almost hourly. Soltak | Talk 21:50, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
You know, this really has be my favorite part of arguing with Tony. It's pretty easy to refute something when you take tiny parts out of context isn't it? I find it's one of the easiest ways to win an argument.
First, I mentioned "stealth vandal" in a short list along with "At this point, why does it matter?" Reading the things around a statement, and having a general understanding of the spirit in which it was written (I learned a long time ago in college that this is called context) can be really helpful.
Secondly, my statement that he churns out "worthless nanostubs," while again not taken in context with the rest of the argument, is nonetheless completely correct. As Satori pointed out, the most useless have been deleted through the AFD process and are therefore not available in his list of contributions. The not-so-useless are still available because people have spent time expanding them.
Out of all of your comments I still don't have an understanding of why you inserted yourself into a situation that you have no real knowledge of and were never in any way involved in. And you really need to realize that just because you disagree with the consensus that doesn't make the consensus wrong. Soltak | Talk 21:34, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
This is today (courtesy of Sockpuppet #1,300,456): [1] This is from August 9: [2] Is this progression? Co-operation? Learning? No, it isn't. There has been no noticeable change in quality or commitment from Maoririder, regardless of what Tony says.-- Scimitar parley 21:56, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Why do you claim that Maoririder's behavior needs to change? Isn't he just editing the wiki the way you and I do? You claim that the "conflict", as you describe it, "tied up 4+ admins". What on earth were admins required for in the first place? Why did these admins harass him when all he was doing was editing pages, some of which went on to be very impressive articles indeed? By the way, have you seen his midget wrestler lately? It's amazing what wonderful oak trees can quickly grow from Maoririder's small acorns. As one voter on AfD recently said of the article: "keep and roll eyes". -- Tony Sidaway Talk 17:16, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
If you like midget wrestler, then what's the problem?
You say that Maoririder's articles "take time and effort to fix". Well this is what we're here to do--it takes time and effort to improve any article. I'm still utterly mystified as to why you're so hateful towards this fellow. He was producing perfectly good stubs when you agreed to an administrator blocking him, for what possible reason I cannot imagine. That's quite bizarre. Can you not see how I'd find it difficult to understand your attitude towards this perfectly harmless user who produces so many articles that get expanded into exciting stuff like midget wrestler. -- Tony Sidaway Talk 18:44, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
tony defend he say niggaz to a black man racist [[Android and bah he said he called my niggaz —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maoririder ( talk • contribs)
looks like maoririder is back under a different name. hes stopped using his old account and is now here as User:Jingofetts. is that allowed? BL kiss the lizard 23:12, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I think his response exemplifies exactly what's wrong with his attitude- people have tried to help him, he's just refused to listen. His definition of help is that he writes one sentence, and then a dedicated army of writers follow him around and clean-up and expand his articles. Spare Change (food) (currently on AfD), which he wrote today, is one example.-- Scimitar parley 20:25, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
See my evidence. Contrary to your false claim above, Maoririder was responsive and polite from the first. His editing style improved noticeably and by the end of the first week he was producing stubs of acceptable, sometimes even very good, quality on a diverse range of subjects.
You say Maoririder's definition of help is "that he writes one sentence, and then a dedicated army of writers follow him around and clean-up and expand his articles." So? Welcome to Wikipedia, baby! -- Tony Sidaway Talk 08:34, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Maoririder may be autistic, he may be a little kid, or he may just be a disingenuous stealth vandal. At this point, why does it matter? The creation of numerous sockpuppets and the continuation of disputed behavior certainly demonstrates that he doesn't have any desire to change, or even address that behavior.
Some would argue that this behavior isn't problematic. Fine, perhaps I'm wrong and this is normal behavior, perhaps it should even be encouraged but I doubt it. In any event, the fact that these actions are currently before the Arbitration Committee should be more than enough to suspend them for the duration of the investigation. If they find that Maoririder is acting in a perfectly normal fashion then fine, keep cranking out worthless nanostubs. Until then, don't you think a rational person who only wants to make Wikipedia better would take a timeout? I know I would.
As I mentioned above, at this point I don't think what/who we're dealing with is any longer relevant. The continuation of the behavior, the attacks on and general deprecation of people who originally tried to help him (most notably Lucky), and even his responses -- if they can even be termed as such -- to the charges are completely inexcusable.
Something else I find completely inexcusable is Tony's sudden interest in the situation and the fashion in which he's been conducting himself. The comments above demonstrate that he has little to no knowledge of the situation. I'm begging you, look at the same record everybody else is looking at! Maoririder was not at all responsive at any point. If you mean did he respond to comments on his talk page the answer is sometimes. If you mean did he alter his behavior in the slightest because of them the answer is a categorical no.
What I see isn't someone who wants to contribute to Wikipedia in any meaningful way that conforms with community consensus. What I see is someone of questionable motives and mental status who wants to add nonsensical garbage to Wikipedia to make himself feel better.
If it sounds like I'm being harsh it's because I am. I tried to be patient and helpful from the start, as did many others, but my patience wore thin a long time ago. I urge the Committee to consider the evidence at their earliest convenience as new points seem to be added almost hourly. Soltak | Talk 21:50, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
You know, this really has be my favorite part of arguing with Tony. It's pretty easy to refute something when you take tiny parts out of context isn't it? I find it's one of the easiest ways to win an argument.
First, I mentioned "stealth vandal" in a short list along with "At this point, why does it matter?" Reading the things around a statement, and having a general understanding of the spirit in which it was written (I learned a long time ago in college that this is called context) can be really helpful.
Secondly, my statement that he churns out "worthless nanostubs," while again not taken in context with the rest of the argument, is nonetheless completely correct. As Satori pointed out, the most useless have been deleted through the AFD process and are therefore not available in his list of contributions. The not-so-useless are still available because people have spent time expanding them.
Out of all of your comments I still don't have an understanding of why you inserted yourself into a situation that you have no real knowledge of and were never in any way involved in. And you really need to realize that just because you disagree with the consensus that doesn't make the consensus wrong. Soltak | Talk 21:34, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
This is today (courtesy of Sockpuppet #1,300,456): [1] This is from August 9: [2] Is this progression? Co-operation? Learning? No, it isn't. There has been no noticeable change in quality or commitment from Maoririder, regardless of what Tony says.-- Scimitar parley 21:56, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Why do you claim that Maoririder's behavior needs to change? Isn't he just editing the wiki the way you and I do? You claim that the "conflict", as you describe it, "tied up 4+ admins". What on earth were admins required for in the first place? Why did these admins harass him when all he was doing was editing pages, some of which went on to be very impressive articles indeed? By the way, have you seen his midget wrestler lately? It's amazing what wonderful oak trees can quickly grow from Maoririder's small acorns. As one voter on AfD recently said of the article: "keep and roll eyes". -- Tony Sidaway Talk 17:16, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
If you like midget wrestler, then what's the problem?
You say that Maoririder's articles "take time and effort to fix". Well this is what we're here to do--it takes time and effort to improve any article. I'm still utterly mystified as to why you're so hateful towards this fellow. He was producing perfectly good stubs when you agreed to an administrator blocking him, for what possible reason I cannot imagine. That's quite bizarre. Can you not see how I'd find it difficult to understand your attitude towards this perfectly harmless user who produces so many articles that get expanded into exciting stuff like midget wrestler. -- Tony Sidaway Talk 18:44, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
tony defend he say niggaz to a black man racist [[Android and bah he said he called my niggaz —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maoririder ( talk • contribs)
looks like maoririder is back under a different name. hes stopped using his old account and is now here as User:Jingofetts. is that allowed? BL kiss the lizard 23:12, 10 January 2006 (UTC)