I have no reason to support Ril, quite the contrary. But the suggestion that User:Melissadolbeer and her various socks are controlled by Ril is patently absurd. -- Doc ask? 17:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
It's my opinion that Melissadolbeer is herself a sockpuppet of a more longstanding user that is part of the community, but doesn't want to associate themselves publicly with her edits. However, I don't really have much of an idea who it might be.
Apart from that, Melissadolbeer's edits are on such a small range of articles, and so very similar to each other, that it is difficult to get much of an idea about what to compare other editors edits to. -- Victim of signature fascism | There is no cabal 15:27, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I have a different theory. Melissadolbeer only shows up to quarrel with -Ril-. Either she has some agenda against -Ril-, and is herself a sockpuppet of a troll who has an agenda against -Ril-, or she is an alter ego of -Ril-. My hypothesis for the latter is that -Ril- is the ventriloquist, and Melissadolbeer is the ventriloquist's dummy, a puppet who insults the puppetmaster and engages in personal attacks against the puppetmaster as a performance. In any case, Melissadolbeer and all related puppets should be banned. The ArbCom does not need to decide whether Melissadolbeer is or is not -Ril-. Robert McClenon 16:30, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Melissadolbeer created Authentic Matthew. I merged what was salvagable from it, and redirected the rest out of existance. She restored it, so I put it up for AFD. During the AFD she created several sockpuppets to protest the vote, flood the vote with huge quotes from the article, and tried to have me RFARed, claiming that Doc Glasgow, JamesGibbon, Fish Supper, Slrubenstien, CheeseDreams, and just about everyone else who voted delete, was a sock puppet of mine. Ever since, she has repeated that claim, copying and pasting various versions of it all over wikipedia. You appear to be doing the same. -- Victim of signature fascism | There is no cabal 17:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
One theory I would like someone to check is whether Robert McClenon is Melissadolbeer. Call it paranoia, but his attempts to identify her as not being controlled by another user, when it is the most obvious conclusion, strike me as somewhat excessive. And it is certainly the case that Melissadolbeer showed up in the KJV RFAR at about the same time as he did. And it is also the case that Robert McClenon edits in the field of Christianity, notably in similar fields to Bacciad and CheeseDreams (e.g. Bible and reincarnation). -- Victim of signature fascism | There is no cabal 17:41, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
After reviewing the edit history of Authentic Matthew in more detail, I agree with Doc glasgow that there are two unrelated disruptive editors. Melissadolbeer does appear to have written an article that was "biblecruft", which was then nominated for deletion. It appears that Melissadolbeer and -Ril- do have a few common aspects, such as an inclination to make wild allegations of sockpuppetry. I agree that these are two distinct disruptive editors, both of whom engage in similar behavior, and who appear to have a vendetta against each other. I will not say that Melissadolbeer is a sockpuppet, because she may be a puppetmistress. It is clear that she does change her online identity from time to time. Bad behavior by Melissadolbeer does not warrant bad behavior by -Ril-, and bad behavior by -Ril- does not warrant bad behavior by Melissadolbeer. Also, -Ril-'s original nomination of Authentic Matthew was made in good faith, and it was "biblecruft". Robert McClenon 21:37, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
This reconsideration does not address whether -Ril- is a reincarnation of Cheesedreams, both of whom are vexatious litigants who resort to revenge filings and revenge motions. Robert McClenon 21:37, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I have no reason to support Ril, quite the contrary. But the suggestion that User:Melissadolbeer and her various socks are controlled by Ril is patently absurd. -- Doc ask? 17:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
It's my opinion that Melissadolbeer is herself a sockpuppet of a more longstanding user that is part of the community, but doesn't want to associate themselves publicly with her edits. However, I don't really have much of an idea who it might be.
Apart from that, Melissadolbeer's edits are on such a small range of articles, and so very similar to each other, that it is difficult to get much of an idea about what to compare other editors edits to. -- Victim of signature fascism | There is no cabal 15:27, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I have a different theory. Melissadolbeer only shows up to quarrel with -Ril-. Either she has some agenda against -Ril-, and is herself a sockpuppet of a troll who has an agenda against -Ril-, or she is an alter ego of -Ril-. My hypothesis for the latter is that -Ril- is the ventriloquist, and Melissadolbeer is the ventriloquist's dummy, a puppet who insults the puppetmaster and engages in personal attacks against the puppetmaster as a performance. In any case, Melissadolbeer and all related puppets should be banned. The ArbCom does not need to decide whether Melissadolbeer is or is not -Ril-. Robert McClenon 16:30, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Melissadolbeer created Authentic Matthew. I merged what was salvagable from it, and redirected the rest out of existance. She restored it, so I put it up for AFD. During the AFD she created several sockpuppets to protest the vote, flood the vote with huge quotes from the article, and tried to have me RFARed, claiming that Doc Glasgow, JamesGibbon, Fish Supper, Slrubenstien, CheeseDreams, and just about everyone else who voted delete, was a sock puppet of mine. Ever since, she has repeated that claim, copying and pasting various versions of it all over wikipedia. You appear to be doing the same. -- Victim of signature fascism | There is no cabal 17:33, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
One theory I would like someone to check is whether Robert McClenon is Melissadolbeer. Call it paranoia, but his attempts to identify her as not being controlled by another user, when it is the most obvious conclusion, strike me as somewhat excessive. And it is certainly the case that Melissadolbeer showed up in the KJV RFAR at about the same time as he did. And it is also the case that Robert McClenon edits in the field of Christianity, notably in similar fields to Bacciad and CheeseDreams (e.g. Bible and reincarnation). -- Victim of signature fascism | There is no cabal 17:41, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
After reviewing the edit history of Authentic Matthew in more detail, I agree with Doc glasgow that there are two unrelated disruptive editors. Melissadolbeer does appear to have written an article that was "biblecruft", which was then nominated for deletion. It appears that Melissadolbeer and -Ril- do have a few common aspects, such as an inclination to make wild allegations of sockpuppetry. I agree that these are two distinct disruptive editors, both of whom engage in similar behavior, and who appear to have a vendetta against each other. I will not say that Melissadolbeer is a sockpuppet, because she may be a puppetmistress. It is clear that she does change her online identity from time to time. Bad behavior by Melissadolbeer does not warrant bad behavior by -Ril-, and bad behavior by -Ril- does not warrant bad behavior by Melissadolbeer. Also, -Ril-'s original nomination of Authentic Matthew was made in good faith, and it was "biblecruft". Robert McClenon 21:37, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
This reconsideration does not address whether -Ril- is a reincarnation of Cheesedreams, both of whom are vexatious litigants who resort to revenge filings and revenge motions. Robert McClenon 21:37, 11 March 2006 (UTC)