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RM, WP:Requested moves → WP:Proposed moves, No consensus,
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RM, WP:Requested moves → WP:Proposed moves, Not moved,
11 February 2018
RM, WP:Requested moves → WP:Articles for renaming, Not moved,
19 September 2018
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I started a discussion on
WP:MOSFR's talk page (
here) about the following pages whose English titles lack hyphens in the given name whereas the French Wikipedia articles do have the hyphen(s). I'm unsure (1) whether following the
WP:RMPM guidance here would be unduly disruptive (having a bot touch hundreds of talk pages?) and (2) whether it's even technically feasible (can the hundreds of targets really be listed as arguments in a single subst'ed
Template:requested move?) So I'm posting the list of page moves on this Talk page instead of on
WP:RM, and hoping that someone with more automated powers and/or expertise will tell me what's the best way to proceed from here. --
Quuxplusone (
talk) 19:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Take 10 articles and send them through RM. If you get a strong consensus for those moves, it's probably safe to bypass this for the others and just move them citing the RM (per
WP:NOTRM).
Gonnym (
talk) 19:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I looked at two names: the first in this list,
Anne Catherine of Brandenburg, and a random one from the middle,
Jean Paul Richter. Both are German, not French, and the German Wikipedia spells them without a dash, but the French one does – I suggest wrongly. So a mass move based on whatever tools led to the above list of 515 names seems flawed. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk) 01:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Good point. I think more work is certainly needed before any mass move, checking they actually are French for one thing. Are Belgian and Swiss styles different, for another?
Jean René Gauguin, more or less abandoned son of the painter, was essentially Danish, and his Danish article is just "Jean Gauguin", which we should probably follow.
Louis Crato, Count of Nassau-Saarbrücken was wholely German & his German bio just has him as "Ludwig Kraft".
Louis Ferdinand, Prince of Prussia and the Italian
Louis Victor, Prince of Carignano should be removed. French figures are often loaded up with middle names they never used. And so on.
Johnbod (
talk) 03:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Hm, I had noticed and been-okay-with the fact that my script (
[1]) rejects a match e.g. between
fr:Auguste-Guillaume de Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel and
en:Augustus William, Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel — if a name's spelling is "Frenchicized" on fr but not on en, it's not a candidate. But for "Louis," "Ferdinand," "Victor," the Frenchicized spelling is indistinguishable from the Anglicized/German/Latin spelling, so that heuristic doesn't help.
Re "French figures are often loaded up with middle names they never used" — yes, true; but I consider a page a candidate only if the English page title prefix-matches the French page title's given-name-sans-hyphens. So e.g. it's fine AFAIC that
fr:François-Auguste Mignet is
en:François Mignet; but if it were at
en:François Auguste Mignet then I'd want to add the hyphen. --
Quuxplusone (
talk) 13:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Okay, the heuristic above prunes the list down to just these 107 articles. However, I guess the script will never produce an unambiguously uncontroversial list; which means that my idea of "post the whole list and let people look at it, discuss it, remove controversial items, mass-move the rest" doesn't scale. If I have investigated an item enough to think it belongs on the uncontroversial list, I should just take the 30 extra seconds and move that article right then (and WP:RM needn't be involved). Repeat 500 times. :) --
Quuxplusone (
talk) 14:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
change article name to requested moves of wikipedia
98.110.81.233 (
talk) 20:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Not done: This would require a move request, not an edit request, and is unlikely to succeed (the "Wikipedia:" at the beginning indicates the
namespace, so the title would end up being the redundant "Wikipedia:Requested moves of Wikipedia"). --
Ahecht (
TALK PAGE) 20:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't oppose, but the hatnote is quite cluttered already. Maybe the mentions of article merge and history merge can be removed to make space?
Vpab15 (
talk) 22:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Right-of-way (property access)
I need assistance/advice. My change of name to
Right-of-way (property access) (removal of hyphens) was reverted by
162 etc.. This was based on the claim that there had been no discussion. The truth is that my intentions were indicated on the Talk page of the article and on an associated article,
Right of way. As after several days no objection was raised (I had expected some response) I acted in accordance with
WP: Be bold.
Rwood128 (
talk) 14:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Since your
WP:BOLDMOVE was reverted, you should open a requested move by following the instructions at
WP:RM/CM.
SilverLocust💬 08:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply
NOTE: This is not the place to request moves. Please follow the instructions given on the
project page. If you seek instruction on closing existing requests, please see the
closing instructions.
To help
centralise discussions and keep related topics together, most subpages of
Wikipedia:Requested moves that are unused have talk pages that redirect here.
This page has previously been nominated to be moved.
Discussions:
RM, WP:Requested moves → WP:Proposed moves, No consensus,
7 June 2007
RM, WP:Requested moves → WP:Proposed moves, Not moved,
11 February 2018
RM, WP:Requested moves → WP:Articles for renaming, Not moved,
19 September 2018
Enter the title (or part of a title) to search for after "intitle:", then click "search"
Try other variants (e.g. "move discussion") to broaden or narrow your search
I started a discussion on
WP:MOSFR's talk page (
here) about the following pages whose English titles lack hyphens in the given name whereas the French Wikipedia articles do have the hyphen(s). I'm unsure (1) whether following the
WP:RMPM guidance here would be unduly disruptive (having a bot touch hundreds of talk pages?) and (2) whether it's even technically feasible (can the hundreds of targets really be listed as arguments in a single subst'ed
Template:requested move?) So I'm posting the list of page moves on this Talk page instead of on
WP:RM, and hoping that someone with more automated powers and/or expertise will tell me what's the best way to proceed from here. --
Quuxplusone (
talk) 19:30, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Take 10 articles and send them through RM. If you get a strong consensus for those moves, it's probably safe to bypass this for the others and just move them citing the RM (per
WP:NOTRM).
Gonnym (
talk) 19:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I looked at two names: the first in this list,
Anne Catherine of Brandenburg, and a random one from the middle,
Jean Paul Richter. Both are German, not French, and the German Wikipedia spells them without a dash, but the French one does – I suggest wrongly. So a mass move based on whatever tools led to the above list of 515 names seems flawed. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk) 01:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Good point. I think more work is certainly needed before any mass move, checking they actually are French for one thing. Are Belgian and Swiss styles different, for another?
Jean René Gauguin, more or less abandoned son of the painter, was essentially Danish, and his Danish article is just "Jean Gauguin", which we should probably follow.
Louis Crato, Count of Nassau-Saarbrücken was wholely German & his German bio just has him as "Ludwig Kraft".
Louis Ferdinand, Prince of Prussia and the Italian
Louis Victor, Prince of Carignano should be removed. French figures are often loaded up with middle names they never used. And so on.
Johnbod (
talk) 03:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Hm, I had noticed and been-okay-with the fact that my script (
[1]) rejects a match e.g. between
fr:Auguste-Guillaume de Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel and
en:Augustus William, Duke of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel — if a name's spelling is "Frenchicized" on fr but not on en, it's not a candidate. But for "Louis," "Ferdinand," "Victor," the Frenchicized spelling is indistinguishable from the Anglicized/German/Latin spelling, so that heuristic doesn't help.
Re "French figures are often loaded up with middle names they never used" — yes, true; but I consider a page a candidate only if the English page title prefix-matches the French page title's given-name-sans-hyphens. So e.g. it's fine AFAIC that
fr:François-Auguste Mignet is
en:François Mignet; but if it were at
en:François Auguste Mignet then I'd want to add the hyphen. --
Quuxplusone (
talk) 13:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Okay, the heuristic above prunes the list down to just these 107 articles. However, I guess the script will never produce an unambiguously uncontroversial list; which means that my idea of "post the whole list and let people look at it, discuss it, remove controversial items, mass-move the rest" doesn't scale. If I have investigated an item enough to think it belongs on the uncontroversial list, I should just take the 30 extra seconds and move that article right then (and WP:RM needn't be involved). Repeat 500 times. :) --
Quuxplusone (
talk) 14:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)reply
change article name to requested moves of wikipedia
98.110.81.233 (
talk) 20:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Not done: This would require a move request, not an edit request, and is unlikely to succeed (the "Wikipedia:" at the beginning indicates the
namespace, so the title would end up being the redundant "Wikipedia:Requested moves of Wikipedia"). --
Ahecht (
TALK PAGE) 20:53, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't oppose, but the hatnote is quite cluttered already. Maybe the mentions of article merge and history merge can be removed to make space?
Vpab15 (
talk) 22:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Right-of-way (property access)
I need assistance/advice. My change of name to
Right-of-way (property access) (removal of hyphens) was reverted by
162 etc.. This was based on the claim that there had been no discussion. The truth is that my intentions were indicated on the Talk page of the article and on an associated article,
Right of way. As after several days no objection was raised (I had expected some response) I acted in accordance with
WP: Be bold.
Rwood128 (
talk) 14:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Since your
WP:BOLDMOVE was reverted, you should open a requested move by following the instructions at
WP:RM/CM.
SilverLocust💬 08:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)reply