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I thought that I was supposed to simply correct the tag on that Theodore Roosevelt image noting that it was from a promotional source and by so doing, I was SUPPOSED to remove the dispute notice. Sorry - I'm not entirely knowledgable about the processes. So after I correct the tag, at least, from my perspective, then what? Thanks. PS - Vandalism is NOT, in any way my intent here. SimonATL 20:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Why was the entire page restored? The last post to this page before my archiving of it was on the 19th! That was 7 days, how can it be classed as 'active'? I am going to re-archive the rest.- Localzuk (talk) 17:55, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
If an image is listed here and is a redlink (and is not just a typo) should it be removed, and if yes can a non-admin do this?- Localzuk (talk) 18:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I have to confess to finding the process of adding images highly confusing. I added the C. elegans image which is now being flagged as 'possibly unfree'. This image was obtained from Zeynep Altun at the Wormatlas project (www.wormatlas.org). She granted permission for it's use. Please let me know what I need to do in order to stop this image being removed. Thanks, Nod 06:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand the usage of these "public domain in country x" templates on Wikipedia. Surely it's the copyright status in the US (where the Foundation and servers are located) which is relevant? It's quite possible for material to be public domain in one country and under copyright in another: Elvis' 1956 recordings are now PD in the UK (50 yrs for audio), but try distributing them from a US site and you'd probably get your butt sued off. -- kingboyk 11:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Iamunknown, you've mentioned that you feel that it is the legal obligation of an uploader to specify which tag their images are uploaded under per WP:FU and argue that no one other than the uploader should touch these tags. I think that is a plausible argument, although I disagree, so I thought some discussion might be worthwhile. I'd argue that under WP's policy a user who does an upload has agreed to assume the responsibility for the legality of their upload - by uploading they've asserted "I have determined that it is legal for this image to appear on WP." Third parties who assist the uploader by making corrections to an image's wiki tags are at little or no risk - the uploader's original tags will always remain in the image history and are available to anyone who wishes to inspect them. — RP88 03:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, images that do not supply a source are eligible for speedy deletion and the fair use tags state that they're only valid if source information is present, so I certainly don't argue with you there. I'm comfortable adding source information if I can unambiguously determine the ultimate source of the image - which is generally only going to be the case for famous artwork or historic photos. If an uploader provides accurate source information but uses the wrong tag for something that can only be used under fair use, I'm willing to assist by writing a fair use rationale if it is reasonable. -- RP88 13:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to list "promotional images" that provide no source here? I'm not going to start doing it en masse, but there was one I came across, have reverted removals of the speedy tag twice, and don't intend to revert again as it will just be a 3RR violation. (Oh, the image is Image:Simpsons1313.jpg, which is now magically a TV screenshot) — Iamunknown 23:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I listed many images having {{ PD-India-Gov}} as possibly unfree on 27th February, but they have remained in the holding cell for long enough without being either deleted or cleared. Is there something that is holding action on these images. If there are any issues to be discussed, I am willing to clarify further. In short, the problem I found with these images is as follows: Websites hoisted on nic.in servers are required to explicitly state the copyright status of the images on them. The images in question have been taken from websites under nic.in that have not yet complied with the guideline mentioned above, i.e. they do not write anything about the copyright status of the images. The uploaders opine that unless otherwise stated to be copyrighted, the images may be assumed to be free, while I hold that unless otherwise stated to be public domain, images are assumed to be copyrighted. I believe that the summary above explains the case neutrally. I request administrators to please go through this case and close it according to Wikipedia's policies. Regards, — Ambuj Saxena ( talk) 06:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Unless stated to be copyrighted, the image is not a copyrighted image in the nic.in websites. It is very unfair to remove the non-copyrighted images stating them to be copyrighted or having a copyrighted status, where no such status exists. The NIC rule clearly states so. I request the admins to upload all the removed images from the NIC website and undo the damages. Chanakyathegreat 05:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
The images I uploaded has a fair rationale and a site but another editor has said that the images will be deleted because its from an "unconfirmed website". What does "unconfirmed site" mean and how do I fix the problem? Good friend100 12:17, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
This project page does not have an archive that I am aware of. Should there be a monthly archive or similar where old discussions are kept to make it easier to see what happened, rather than having to go back through the article history? (Note I know that this talk page has a history, I am referring to the project page.) -- After Midnight 0001 15:22, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Two copyrighted map images on Operation Chengiz Khan ( Image:IAF western airfields.jpg and Image:IAF Southern Airfields.jpg) are claimed by their uploader to be fair use because of the Indian Information Act, a legal structure which I am unfamiliar with. Can someone with more experience and legal background (US and Indian?) check these out and tell me whether they count as fair use for the purpose of Wikipedia? JRP 23:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
This pic was tagged on March 4: [2] no one has gotten around to resolving it. Quadzilla99 20:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Now, I know we all need something to do after the SXC image roundup (:-P), so if you're ever bored, head on over to Category:Conditional use images, where many possibly unfree images await. The ten images I listed under May 11 are all from there, and there appear to be many more. I personally would like to list them all simply because the image copyright tag {{ CopyrightedFreeUseProvidedThat}} does not expressly permit unrestricted, non-exclusive and non-revocable commercial reuse and derivative works, but I'm not currently up to the task. (What do you all think of that, btw?) -- Iamunknown 10:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
this image [:Image:Sorbus-americana.jpg] is attributed to "RHW" at the page it appears on and this is associated with "RHW - R. Harrison Wiegand, Maryland Department of Natural Resources, Wildlife and Heritage Service. www.dnr.state.md.us" at the linked photo credits page. The photo credits page says that the images may or may not be copyrighted and does not note if they are on an author by author basis. Any ideas? Pdbailey 12:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I would like to add some more text the introductory paragraph of the Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images page as I've noticed an increasing number of comments that start with "keep" or "oppose".
As far as I understand it this page is not a debate in quite the same way that IFD and AFD are. The focus is not the deletion of an image, but investigating the copyright status of images. Yes, if the copyright status cannot be established the image is likely to be deleted. But that is up to the admin who processes this page.
Our job as editors of this page is to use any knowledge we have - of images, of copyright law etc. - to make a conclusion about the copyright status of the image that has been tagged. By thinking in terms of "keep" or "oppose" I think we are distracting ourselves, and any newcomers to the page (including uploaders) as to what the primary purpose is. What do you think? Madmedea 20:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
All I can say is I do have permission to use this picture. Would you need the person to email you direct with confirmation? Apart from this I don't know how to flag it????
Looking at Special:Contributions/Iwanafish, I see that there are a lot of pictures uploaded that claim "fair use", but are also released under {{PD-Self}}. A large number of them look professionally produced.
However, looking at the Metadata indicates that they were all taken with the same type of camera, so it's entirely possible that PD-Self is the correct tag, and the summary is incorrect. Any thoughts?-- SarekOfVulcan 14:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Since this page is getting heavy traffic, which is 15+ listings per day, not to mention the other edits for discussions, I'd like to change the format so that each day is it's own page as a subpage off of PUI, something like:
Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images/July 1 2007. It would make it easier to archive each day whereas it seems there isn't an archive for items, the text is just removed from this page and when admins finish a date, it could be marked as an archive. Further, it would make listing easier especially using the quickimgdelete tool since it has to load and send the entire page each time an image is brought here. Also, monitoring discussions will be easier so that someone could watchlist the individual date an image they are interested in instead of PUI as a whole. The subpages would just be listed off the PUI page, such as {{/June 1 2007}}
and the dates just added on as needed and removed as needed. There were a question above about archiving the page that went unanswered, so an archive could help. Can anyone see any disadvantages or reasons not to do this? Or perhaps a better system? Any interest or other suggestions?
MECU≈
talk
17:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
OK, quickimgdelete.js is ready to go. Just say the word and I will push the dev version to production. howcheng { chat} 23:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello folks, I do not really know much about your copyrights. But I'm afraid Image:Nuremberg stadtplan.jpg is no free image and can't be licensed by using GFDL. Please have a look. Best regards -- Achates 19:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
You hit edit, you go look for the entry you want to comment on, and it's not there. Sweeet! So what's the trick? Maury 21:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I've seen that after links to PDF-files there is a symbol: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d3/Test.pdf
I think it's from this image: http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/icons/fileicon-pdf.png
It looks very much like Adobes PDF-icon, which is definitely copyrighted: Image:PDF.png
Is there a way to read copyright notices for that kind of "Wikipedia-internal" images that are part of CSS and such stuff...?
(BTW, is there a way to show externaly linked images in wikipedia? I guess not, since that would make it difficult for readers to know what's part of WikiPedia and what's not...) -- Algotr 22:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 |
I thought that I was supposed to simply correct the tag on that Theodore Roosevelt image noting that it was from a promotional source and by so doing, I was SUPPOSED to remove the dispute notice. Sorry - I'm not entirely knowledgable about the processes. So after I correct the tag, at least, from my perspective, then what? Thanks. PS - Vandalism is NOT, in any way my intent here. SimonATL 20:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Why was the entire page restored? The last post to this page before my archiving of it was on the 19th! That was 7 days, how can it be classed as 'active'? I am going to re-archive the rest.- Localzuk (talk) 17:55, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
If an image is listed here and is a redlink (and is not just a typo) should it be removed, and if yes can a non-admin do this?- Localzuk (talk) 18:28, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I have to confess to finding the process of adding images highly confusing. I added the C. elegans image which is now being flagged as 'possibly unfree'. This image was obtained from Zeynep Altun at the Wormatlas project (www.wormatlas.org). She granted permission for it's use. Please let me know what I need to do in order to stop this image being removed. Thanks, Nod 06:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand the usage of these "public domain in country x" templates on Wikipedia. Surely it's the copyright status in the US (where the Foundation and servers are located) which is relevant? It's quite possible for material to be public domain in one country and under copyright in another: Elvis' 1956 recordings are now PD in the UK (50 yrs for audio), but try distributing them from a US site and you'd probably get your butt sued off. -- kingboyk 11:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Iamunknown, you've mentioned that you feel that it is the legal obligation of an uploader to specify which tag their images are uploaded under per WP:FU and argue that no one other than the uploader should touch these tags. I think that is a plausible argument, although I disagree, so I thought some discussion might be worthwhile. I'd argue that under WP's policy a user who does an upload has agreed to assume the responsibility for the legality of their upload - by uploading they've asserted "I have determined that it is legal for this image to appear on WP." Third parties who assist the uploader by making corrections to an image's wiki tags are at little or no risk - the uploader's original tags will always remain in the image history and are available to anyone who wishes to inspect them. — RP88 03:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, images that do not supply a source are eligible for speedy deletion and the fair use tags state that they're only valid if source information is present, so I certainly don't argue with you there. I'm comfortable adding source information if I can unambiguously determine the ultimate source of the image - which is generally only going to be the case for famous artwork or historic photos. If an uploader provides accurate source information but uses the wrong tag for something that can only be used under fair use, I'm willing to assist by writing a fair use rationale if it is reasonable. -- RP88 13:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to list "promotional images" that provide no source here? I'm not going to start doing it en masse, but there was one I came across, have reverted removals of the speedy tag twice, and don't intend to revert again as it will just be a 3RR violation. (Oh, the image is Image:Simpsons1313.jpg, which is now magically a TV screenshot) — Iamunknown 23:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
I listed many images having {{ PD-India-Gov}} as possibly unfree on 27th February, but they have remained in the holding cell for long enough without being either deleted or cleared. Is there something that is holding action on these images. If there are any issues to be discussed, I am willing to clarify further. In short, the problem I found with these images is as follows: Websites hoisted on nic.in servers are required to explicitly state the copyright status of the images on them. The images in question have been taken from websites under nic.in that have not yet complied with the guideline mentioned above, i.e. they do not write anything about the copyright status of the images. The uploaders opine that unless otherwise stated to be copyrighted, the images may be assumed to be free, while I hold that unless otherwise stated to be public domain, images are assumed to be copyrighted. I believe that the summary above explains the case neutrally. I request administrators to please go through this case and close it according to Wikipedia's policies. Regards, — Ambuj Saxena ( talk) 06:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Unless stated to be copyrighted, the image is not a copyrighted image in the nic.in websites. It is very unfair to remove the non-copyrighted images stating them to be copyrighted or having a copyrighted status, where no such status exists. The NIC rule clearly states so. I request the admins to upload all the removed images from the NIC website and undo the damages. Chanakyathegreat 05:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
The images I uploaded has a fair rationale and a site but another editor has said that the images will be deleted because its from an "unconfirmed website". What does "unconfirmed site" mean and how do I fix the problem? Good friend100 12:17, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
This project page does not have an archive that I am aware of. Should there be a monthly archive or similar where old discussions are kept to make it easier to see what happened, rather than having to go back through the article history? (Note I know that this talk page has a history, I am referring to the project page.) -- After Midnight 0001 15:22, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
Two copyrighted map images on Operation Chengiz Khan ( Image:IAF western airfields.jpg and Image:IAF Southern Airfields.jpg) are claimed by their uploader to be fair use because of the Indian Information Act, a legal structure which I am unfamiliar with. Can someone with more experience and legal background (US and Indian?) check these out and tell me whether they count as fair use for the purpose of Wikipedia? JRP 23:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
This pic was tagged on March 4: [2] no one has gotten around to resolving it. Quadzilla99 20:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Now, I know we all need something to do after the SXC image roundup (:-P), so if you're ever bored, head on over to Category:Conditional use images, where many possibly unfree images await. The ten images I listed under May 11 are all from there, and there appear to be many more. I personally would like to list them all simply because the image copyright tag {{ CopyrightedFreeUseProvidedThat}} does not expressly permit unrestricted, non-exclusive and non-revocable commercial reuse and derivative works, but I'm not currently up to the task. (What do you all think of that, btw?) -- Iamunknown 10:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
this image [:Image:Sorbus-americana.jpg] is attributed to "RHW" at the page it appears on and this is associated with "RHW - R. Harrison Wiegand, Maryland Department of Natural Resources, Wildlife and Heritage Service. www.dnr.state.md.us" at the linked photo credits page. The photo credits page says that the images may or may not be copyrighted and does not note if they are on an author by author basis. Any ideas? Pdbailey 12:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I would like to add some more text the introductory paragraph of the Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images page as I've noticed an increasing number of comments that start with "keep" or "oppose".
As far as I understand it this page is not a debate in quite the same way that IFD and AFD are. The focus is not the deletion of an image, but investigating the copyright status of images. Yes, if the copyright status cannot be established the image is likely to be deleted. But that is up to the admin who processes this page.
Our job as editors of this page is to use any knowledge we have - of images, of copyright law etc. - to make a conclusion about the copyright status of the image that has been tagged. By thinking in terms of "keep" or "oppose" I think we are distracting ourselves, and any newcomers to the page (including uploaders) as to what the primary purpose is. What do you think? Madmedea 20:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
All I can say is I do have permission to use this picture. Would you need the person to email you direct with confirmation? Apart from this I don't know how to flag it????
Looking at Special:Contributions/Iwanafish, I see that there are a lot of pictures uploaded that claim "fair use", but are also released under {{PD-Self}}. A large number of them look professionally produced.
However, looking at the Metadata indicates that they were all taken with the same type of camera, so it's entirely possible that PD-Self is the correct tag, and the summary is incorrect. Any thoughts?-- SarekOfVulcan 14:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Since this page is getting heavy traffic, which is 15+ listings per day, not to mention the other edits for discussions, I'd like to change the format so that each day is it's own page as a subpage off of PUI, something like:
Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images/July 1 2007. It would make it easier to archive each day whereas it seems there isn't an archive for items, the text is just removed from this page and when admins finish a date, it could be marked as an archive. Further, it would make listing easier especially using the quickimgdelete tool since it has to load and send the entire page each time an image is brought here. Also, monitoring discussions will be easier so that someone could watchlist the individual date an image they are interested in instead of PUI as a whole. The subpages would just be listed off the PUI page, such as {{/June 1 2007}}
and the dates just added on as needed and removed as needed. There were a question above about archiving the page that went unanswered, so an archive could help. Can anyone see any disadvantages or reasons not to do this? Or perhaps a better system? Any interest or other suggestions?
MECU≈
talk
17:06, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
OK, quickimgdelete.js is ready to go. Just say the word and I will push the dev version to production. howcheng { chat} 23:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Hello folks, I do not really know much about your copyrights. But I'm afraid Image:Nuremberg stadtplan.jpg is no free image and can't be licensed by using GFDL. Please have a look. Best regards -- Achates 19:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
You hit edit, you go look for the entry you want to comment on, and it's not there. Sweeet! So what's the trick? Maury 21:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
I've seen that after links to PDF-files there is a symbol: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d3/Test.pdf
I think it's from this image: http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/icons/fileicon-pdf.png
It looks very much like Adobes PDF-icon, which is definitely copyrighted: Image:PDF.png
Is there a way to read copyright notices for that kind of "Wikipedia-internal" images that are part of CSS and such stuff...?
(BTW, is there a way to show externaly linked images in wikipedia? I guess not, since that would make it difficult for readers to know what's part of WikiPedia and what's not...) -- Algotr 22:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)