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As stated before, I've been working on Snorunt for a while now, and I think its gone from drab to fab, so to speak. However, I'm still not totally sure if its ready to be nominated for GA yet or not. Opinions anyone? Jerichi~ Profile~ Talk~ 23:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
A bit more information to help us with any decisions regarding names: from what I've gathered at PokéBeach, Serebii, and a few other sites, most of the new names are coming from this photo. The names on the little circular thingies that are legible are the ones we've been hearing about, and the ones that haven't been talked about are too blurry to make out in the picture ( Subomie, Dorapion, Bipper, etc.). This is also the pic that the name "Piplup" (for Pochama) seems to have originated from - and based on the picture, "Piplup" seems like a wild guess at best, because the name above Pochama is extremely blurry. Also, there's a disclaimer at the bottom that reads "Some items subject to final approval.". ~e.o.t.d~ ( 蜻蛉の目• 話す• 貢献) 01:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
What the fuck were all discussions archived for? I thought the request was that inactive discussions be archived. I agree that archiving via move is a good method, but active discussions should be copied back after. That’s one of the reasons I introduced {{ Resolved}} to this page. -- WikidSmaht ( talk) 02:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Heads up, guys and gals. Esteemed web author* Kristofer Straub has created a storm by having an article about his own webcomic (unfairly) deleted using sockpuppets. An angry, Wikipedia-hating reader of Mr. Straub’s blog/canvas Halfpixel.com has threatened to mass AfD all the Pokémon articles. So everybody prepare, keep an eye out, and if anyone has a collection of links to previous MegaAfD/VfDs, please provide them here.
I hope you guys don't mind, but I added the WikiProject:Nintendo template to the pokemon wikiProject template. Since all pokemon articles fall under WP:nintendo, it made sense to include both as one as opposed to having two seperate templates on each page. Also, if anyone wants to evaluate for the Nintendo WikiProject, all you do is put |Class=? in there and it is easy. Thanks for the time, Scorpion 22:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I would like to suggest for the Pokémon infoboxes to be color coded based on their Pokédex color categories. No need to recreate the now-deleted List of Pokémon by color article, but I would think it would be a good idea if the title bar of each infobox to correspond to the Pokémon's color category. The Italian Wikipedia does this: it:Charizard, it:Typhlosion. I also thought about color coding by elemental type, but Pokémon with two types can cause a problem.
There are 10 different color categories. Information on this can be found either on PsyPoke or on Serebii.net.
I would like to see these infoboxes color-coded. Andros 1337 02:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Black | Blue | Brown |
Green | Gray | Pink |
Purple | Red | White |
Yellow |
I am staunchly opposed to any pointless addition of meaningless varying colors to any template anywhere. This is pointless fiddling. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 04:18, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
i agree with e.o.t.d. — and i love stupid little projects... we have other much more important things. if someone is willing to take the time to go through every article and add a variable value, they could instead use that time to at least bring all articles up to organizational standard. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 15:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Dude, I'm being invoked by proxies.
I don't think the content issues should prevent template tweaking. Templates often benefit from a bit of useful tweaking. But color coding is useless without a color key, and the color is so useless that we aren't willing to devote three words per article to it, so we certainly don't need a color key. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 04:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry if I burst anyone's bubble, but I just thought I'd give a couple examples of how arbitrary the color system can sometimes be (taken directly from Pokémon Ruby as I write this):
Many Pokémon are colored pretty much equally by two different colors, and there's no system to determine which one would be used: Volbeat is a "Gray" Pokémon -a judgement that makes sense because most of its body is gray or a grayish black. But it has a red horseshoe-shaped thing around its neck which is remarkably similar to Delcatty's, in whose case it, and not the main body, determines the color of the Pokémon. They are obviously held to different standards in judging their colors. Not to mention the fact that a good portion of the population is slightly colorblind, which can cause a bit of difficulty. I'm slightly red-green colorblind myself, and to me, Vulpix and Torkoal are both a kind of dusty red (but still clearly red), while the Pokédex says they're both brown. And while the Pokédex tells me that Duskull, Dusclops, Shuppet, and Banette are all black, I consider the first two gray, and the last two purple. With a screen quality like the GBA's or the DS's, color-perception deficiencies seem to show themselves more. In summary, the fact is that this system of colors is unnecessary, can often appear to (or actually does) contradict the Pokémon's actual appearance, has no clear-cut or even vague rules aout which of a Pokémon's colors is its Pokédex color, and consumes time better spent improving other articles. Aside from even those main arguments, it's just plain crufty, and, as Brandon so well put it, "if someone wants to know what color a Pokémon is, shouldn't they just look at the picture of the Pokémon?". There's just no good reason to do this. ~e.o.t.d~ ( 蜻蛉の目• 話す• 貢献) 06:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Byss07 has decided to tag all the articles for both Nidoran lines for deletion, for the charge of "gamecruft"…any plans on what to do? I can only think he thinks this because they're "male" and "female" counterparts, but the games define them as separate species.— ウルタプ 05:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Also, Nidoran♂'s picture got removed by a bot back in January because of an issue with its copyright rationale - probably didn't have a {{pokeimage}} tag. I got another one up. ~e.o.t.d~ ( 蜻蛉の目• 話す• 貢献) 20:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Gamecruft is not a valid reason for deletion. Hbdragon88 23:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I've nominated List of Pokémon references or spoofs for deletion. Please discuss it here. ~e.o.t.d~ ( 蜻蛉の目• 話す• 貢献) 22:00, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
For those of you who never have seen Category:Pokémon images, we've had approx. 1000+ images tagged with {{ pokeimage}}. This makes categorization superfluous because it's not useful in any way. This is similar to the large number of photos that get added to Category:Nintendo screenshots ({{ Nintendo-screenshot}}, Category:Screenshots of video games {{ game-screenshot}}, and Category:Screenshots of television {{ Tv-screenshot}}. In order to not only organize ourselves, but also help these associated categories, i've created new subcats to hopefully replace all instances of {{ Pokeimage}} or at least prune downn the parent category to a usable size, and also remove them from the ambiguity of their related categories (e.g. {{ PokeGame-screenshot}} belongs to both Category:Nintendo screenshots and Category:Pokémon images so we only need one tag and the image is adequately categorized without adding to the bulk of either). - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 18:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
would ne1 object to me labelling {{ pokeimage}} as deprecated in favor of the newer more specific tags? - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 17:20, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
oh, sorry :) i had listed the new templates on the main project page and thought everyone would be able to figure out the categories from there... but if you want a quickie link you can just look at the subcats at Category:Pokémon images. I've also made an alteration to {{ pokeimage}} so that there's now a drop down box that lists alternate, more specific tags. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 22:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
well... i've found a couple images that could prolly keep the old tag... but we should defintiely try to make people aware of the new tags, maybe put something at the top of the project page for a month? that, along with the notice on the template itself, will hopefully make editors aware of the change. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 23:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I thought I'd let you guys know that Battle Frontier has been nominated for deletion here.— M_C_Y_1008 ( talk/ contribs) 02:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I'll start by creating a new section in the Emerald article. Hbdragon88 03:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I have nominated the PCP-drive template for deletion. I am doing this to improve talk pages. For more information click here. Also please leave your opinion there so that a consensus may be reached. A solution I have for the problem of this template is just to make it possible to add a small message to the main PCP template for our focus pages. I believe this would be an improvement. Funpika 19:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
It seems that a lot of articles about things that have been released in English use Japanese names over English names. Anyone want to help find these offenders and fix them? - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Our umbrella article is in pretty sad shape at the moment, so I'm going to be doing some rewriting. I've got a scratch page at User:A Man In Black/Pokémon, if anyone would like to help. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 06:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Pokémon is all about the games/anime/manga/etc. themselves, and has nothing whatsoever about how they were concieved, developed, or recieved. Plus, the generations section of the article has grown massively out of control. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 04:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Spelling is needed in these articles. Also grammar checks and references needed. More Pokemon articles are needed. General Eisenhower • ( at war or at peace) (at war here (screams in the background)) 21:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Just a few minutes ago, my recent pet project, Snorunt, had been passed a GA. That brings our count to 21. Its comin' together, folks. Jerichi~ Profile~ Talk~ 00:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi all,
Since summer of last year, I have been attempting to clean up bad spelling and punctuation on Wikipedia. Each week, I spend a little time doing AutoWikiBrowser automated fixes, trying to correct poor spelling and punctuation on Wikipedia using Google searches. Each week, I come across quite a few Pokemon articles which need clean-up. It appears someone (or several people) working regularly on this WikiProject commonly mistake "it's" (it is or it has) for "its" (belonging to it). Because a significant portion of articles needing clean-up come from the Pokemon sector, I'm hoping it's possible for the Project members to keep a closer eye on potential typos or misspellings and help keep the workload down. I manage to clean up at least 500 articles a week, and even if there was just a 10% reduction, that would make things a little easier.
It wouldn't matter so much, but these mistakes are fairly old; they're showing up on Google, so the articles aren't getting cleaned up as soon as the mistake is made. It takes a while for these entries to find their way onto Google. Any help you can provide is appreciated. Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester 02:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | Archive 13 | Archive 14 | Archive 15 | → | Archive 20 |
As stated before, I've been working on Snorunt for a while now, and I think its gone from drab to fab, so to speak. However, I'm still not totally sure if its ready to be nominated for GA yet or not. Opinions anyone? Jerichi~ Profile~ Talk~ 23:57, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
A bit more information to help us with any decisions regarding names: from what I've gathered at PokéBeach, Serebii, and a few other sites, most of the new names are coming from this photo. The names on the little circular thingies that are legible are the ones we've been hearing about, and the ones that haven't been talked about are too blurry to make out in the picture ( Subomie, Dorapion, Bipper, etc.). This is also the pic that the name "Piplup" (for Pochama) seems to have originated from - and based on the picture, "Piplup" seems like a wild guess at best, because the name above Pochama is extremely blurry. Also, there's a disclaimer at the bottom that reads "Some items subject to final approval.". ~e.o.t.d~ ( 蜻蛉の目• 話す• 貢献) 01:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
What the fuck were all discussions archived for? I thought the request was that inactive discussions be archived. I agree that archiving via move is a good method, but active discussions should be copied back after. That’s one of the reasons I introduced {{ Resolved}} to this page. -- WikidSmaht ( talk) 02:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Heads up, guys and gals. Esteemed web author* Kristofer Straub has created a storm by having an article about his own webcomic (unfairly) deleted using sockpuppets. An angry, Wikipedia-hating reader of Mr. Straub’s blog/canvas Halfpixel.com has threatened to mass AfD all the Pokémon articles. So everybody prepare, keep an eye out, and if anyone has a collection of links to previous MegaAfD/VfDs, please provide them here.
I hope you guys don't mind, but I added the WikiProject:Nintendo template to the pokemon wikiProject template. Since all pokemon articles fall under WP:nintendo, it made sense to include both as one as opposed to having two seperate templates on each page. Also, if anyone wants to evaluate for the Nintendo WikiProject, all you do is put |Class=? in there and it is easy. Thanks for the time, Scorpion 22:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
I would like to suggest for the Pokémon infoboxes to be color coded based on their Pokédex color categories. No need to recreate the now-deleted List of Pokémon by color article, but I would think it would be a good idea if the title bar of each infobox to correspond to the Pokémon's color category. The Italian Wikipedia does this: it:Charizard, it:Typhlosion. I also thought about color coding by elemental type, but Pokémon with two types can cause a problem.
There are 10 different color categories. Information on this can be found either on PsyPoke or on Serebii.net.
I would like to see these infoboxes color-coded. Andros 1337 02:20, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Black | Blue | Brown |
Green | Gray | Pink |
Purple | Red | White |
Yellow |
I am staunchly opposed to any pointless addition of meaningless varying colors to any template anywhere. This is pointless fiddling. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 04:18, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
i agree with e.o.t.d. — and i love stupid little projects... we have other much more important things. if someone is willing to take the time to go through every article and add a variable value, they could instead use that time to at least bring all articles up to organizational standard. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 15:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Dude, I'm being invoked by proxies.
I don't think the content issues should prevent template tweaking. Templates often benefit from a bit of useful tweaking. But color coding is useless without a color key, and the color is so useless that we aren't willing to devote three words per article to it, so we certainly don't need a color key. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 04:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Sorry if I burst anyone's bubble, but I just thought I'd give a couple examples of how arbitrary the color system can sometimes be (taken directly from Pokémon Ruby as I write this):
Many Pokémon are colored pretty much equally by two different colors, and there's no system to determine which one would be used: Volbeat is a "Gray" Pokémon -a judgement that makes sense because most of its body is gray or a grayish black. But it has a red horseshoe-shaped thing around its neck which is remarkably similar to Delcatty's, in whose case it, and not the main body, determines the color of the Pokémon. They are obviously held to different standards in judging their colors. Not to mention the fact that a good portion of the population is slightly colorblind, which can cause a bit of difficulty. I'm slightly red-green colorblind myself, and to me, Vulpix and Torkoal are both a kind of dusty red (but still clearly red), while the Pokédex says they're both brown. And while the Pokédex tells me that Duskull, Dusclops, Shuppet, and Banette are all black, I consider the first two gray, and the last two purple. With a screen quality like the GBA's or the DS's, color-perception deficiencies seem to show themselves more. In summary, the fact is that this system of colors is unnecessary, can often appear to (or actually does) contradict the Pokémon's actual appearance, has no clear-cut or even vague rules aout which of a Pokémon's colors is its Pokédex color, and consumes time better spent improving other articles. Aside from even those main arguments, it's just plain crufty, and, as Brandon so well put it, "if someone wants to know what color a Pokémon is, shouldn't they just look at the picture of the Pokémon?". There's just no good reason to do this. ~e.o.t.d~ ( 蜻蛉の目• 話す• 貢献) 06:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Byss07 has decided to tag all the articles for both Nidoran lines for deletion, for the charge of "gamecruft"…any plans on what to do? I can only think he thinks this because they're "male" and "female" counterparts, but the games define them as separate species.— ウルタプ 05:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Also, Nidoran♂'s picture got removed by a bot back in January because of an issue with its copyright rationale - probably didn't have a {{pokeimage}} tag. I got another one up. ~e.o.t.d~ ( 蜻蛉の目• 話す• 貢献) 20:01, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Gamecruft is not a valid reason for deletion. Hbdragon88 23:04, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I've nominated List of Pokémon references or spoofs for deletion. Please discuss it here. ~e.o.t.d~ ( 蜻蛉の目• 話す• 貢献) 22:00, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
For those of you who never have seen Category:Pokémon images, we've had approx. 1000+ images tagged with {{ pokeimage}}. This makes categorization superfluous because it's not useful in any way. This is similar to the large number of photos that get added to Category:Nintendo screenshots ({{ Nintendo-screenshot}}, Category:Screenshots of video games {{ game-screenshot}}, and Category:Screenshots of television {{ Tv-screenshot}}. In order to not only organize ourselves, but also help these associated categories, i've created new subcats to hopefully replace all instances of {{ Pokeimage}} or at least prune downn the parent category to a usable size, and also remove them from the ambiguity of their related categories (e.g. {{ PokeGame-screenshot}} belongs to both Category:Nintendo screenshots and Category:Pokémon images so we only need one tag and the image is adequately categorized without adding to the bulk of either). - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 18:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
would ne1 object to me labelling {{ pokeimage}} as deprecated in favor of the newer more specific tags? - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 17:20, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
oh, sorry :) i had listed the new templates on the main project page and thought everyone would be able to figure out the categories from there... but if you want a quickie link you can just look at the subcats at Category:Pokémon images. I've also made an alteration to {{ pokeimage}} so that there's now a drop down box that lists alternate, more specific tags. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 22:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
well... i've found a couple images that could prolly keep the old tag... but we should defintiely try to make people aware of the new tags, maybe put something at the top of the project page for a month? that, along with the notice on the template itself, will hopefully make editors aware of the change. - ΖαππερΝαππερ Babel Alexandria 23:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I thought I'd let you guys know that Battle Frontier has been nominated for deletion here.— M_C_Y_1008 ( talk/ contribs) 02:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I'll start by creating a new section in the Emerald article. Hbdragon88 03:54, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I have nominated the PCP-drive template for deletion. I am doing this to improve talk pages. For more information click here. Also please leave your opinion there so that a consensus may be reached. A solution I have for the problem of this template is just to make it possible to add a small message to the main PCP template for our focus pages. I believe this would be an improvement. Funpika 19:14, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
It seems that a lot of articles about things that have been released in English use Japanese names over English names. Anyone want to help find these offenders and fix them? - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Our umbrella article is in pretty sad shape at the moment, so I'm going to be doing some rewriting. I've got a scratch page at User:A Man In Black/Pokémon, if anyone would like to help. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 06:02, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Pokémon is all about the games/anime/manga/etc. themselves, and has nothing whatsoever about how they were concieved, developed, or recieved. Plus, the generations section of the article has grown massively out of control. - A Man In Bl♟ck ( conspire | past ops) 04:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Spelling is needed in these articles. Also grammar checks and references needed. More Pokemon articles are needed. General Eisenhower • ( at war or at peace) (at war here (screams in the background)) 21:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Just a few minutes ago, my recent pet project, Snorunt, had been passed a GA. That brings our count to 21. Its comin' together, folks. Jerichi~ Profile~ Talk~ 00:22, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi all,
Since summer of last year, I have been attempting to clean up bad spelling and punctuation on Wikipedia. Each week, I spend a little time doing AutoWikiBrowser automated fixes, trying to correct poor spelling and punctuation on Wikipedia using Google searches. Each week, I come across quite a few Pokemon articles which need clean-up. It appears someone (or several people) working regularly on this WikiProject commonly mistake "it's" (it is or it has) for "its" (belonging to it). Because a significant portion of articles needing clean-up come from the Pokemon sector, I'm hoping it's possible for the Project members to keep a closer eye on potential typos or misspellings and help keep the workload down. I manage to clean up at least 500 articles a week, and even if there was just a 10% reduction, that would make things a little easier.
It wouldn't matter so much, but these mistakes are fairly old; they're showing up on Google, so the articles aren't getting cleaned up as soon as the mistake is made. It takes a while for these entries to find their way onto Google. Any help you can provide is appreciated. Best wishes, Firsfron of Ronchester 02:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)