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I was wondering if it's a good idea to have a mailing list of Indian wikipedians (like a yahoogroup.) Of course, we'll have a code of conduct regarding what not to post on the list, so that it conforms with wikipedia policies (eg no campaigning, etc.) A majority of Indian wikipedians are not regular, and a mailing list will help them keep abreast of what's happening even if they don't log in often. The mailing list would also help us discuss general wikipedia issues like any meetings we might organize in future, or things like how to make wikipedia more popular in India. We might also have a kind of weekly or monthly "newsletter" describing new India-related things happening on wikipedia, depending upon how enthusiastic people are. Would this be useful? deeptrivia ( talk) 03:52, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
This may help [1]. -- Gurubrahma 18:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Cool. So then how does it work? How does one subscribe to wikimedia-in? deeptrivia ( talk) 19:25, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
It seems we all just have to subscribe using [4], and then wikimediaindia-l@Wikimedia.org will be the address at which mails can be sent. Nothing really to kickstart here :) deeptrivia ( talk) 05:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Okay I subscribed. There are 20 members as of now. I guess it isn't a veru active list, but would have a better insight in a few days. deeptrivia ( talk) 15:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
This is a nice idea to remain in touch and exchange of views and news. Let us try to make the idea a practical reality. -- Bhadani 16:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I am particularly happy that we have had an increase in India-related featured articles recently. :) I've gone through the List of featured articles and I've listed a few high priority articles that should be elevated to featured status, hopefully by the end of 2006.
=Nichalp «Talk»= 14:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi All - I request your help and advice on making Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel an FA. There are many issues with the article, and I need the aid of all. Rama's Arrow 16:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Just as the list of India-related FAs is on the rise, so is the case with the list of India-related articles for deletion. Today, I added fifteen tagged articles (10 AFD, 5 PROD) to WP:DSI - please watchlist that page, if you have not done so already and participate actively in the discussions there in. I can't help but wonder how many are being speedied apart from these. -- Gurubrahma 16:26, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Further to Portal_talk:India#Nominate already?, can contributors familiar with the various India-related articles' policies/guidance update the "Conventions" section in the Notice board? I have added one or two, but I feel this section should be more comprehensive to help both new and regular contributors. AreJay 21:03, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, As I have already added elsewhere, a meet will be organised in Bangalore on April 2, 2006 Sunday by the Kannada wikipedia. Please us this form to register if you are interested in attending the meet. You may contact Hariprasad Nadig if you have any questions, etc.,-- Pamri • Talk 04:10, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I just transfered a block of text to create the new article on Malabari paratha. Should this be considered a flatbread? Rmhermen 17:00, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking of nominating this picture for FP status. Does it look like a reasonable picture? We could choose other pictures from commons:Category:Mohandas_K._Gandhi. I like this one, but it has issues like size and graininess. deeptrivia ( talk) 04:05, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
I've been editing lots of articles related to Sikhism and Punjabi and I've come to a bit of a problem. There appears to be no unified way of representing and highlighting transliterations. The general consensus is to work towards IAST (which is extended to other Indic scripts with the use of ISO 15919). However, there is no style guide as to the naming of articles or when and where to use exact transliterations. So far in Wikipedia we have IAST, Bolly-trans and DIY transliteration :D
I recommend we should come to some sort of unified approach. For example, at the beginning of any article that uses an Indian word, we show the original script and we transliterate it using IAST. If there are alternative spellings we also list them. So for the Punjabi word 'Gurdwara' we start off with:
"A Gurdwara ( Punjabi: ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਾ, guradu'ārā or ਗੁਰਦਵਾਰਾ, guradavārā)..."
This could be simplified to another template that follows the form {{langtrans|pa|ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਾ|guradu'ārā|ਗੁਰਦਵਾਰਾ|guradavārā}} ? At the end of the transliteration section we could include a question mark [?] that links to a page detailing the transliteration scheme.
I recommend that in title names itself we try *not* to use IAST accent marks because this appears to be the general Wikipedia policy. The actual title should indicate its pronounciation (e.g. guradavārā will become Gurdvara) and in most cases, making the distinction between similar letters is not required in English (e.g. 'r' and 'ṛ').
My ideas might not be brilliant, but I really do think we need a unified scheme for when and where to use transliterations. Should we use them only at the beginning of an article to explain a particular term or should we use them throughout and article? Should we have IAST article names or not? It'd be good to get a discussion going.
Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 15:32, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, can everyone take a look at Template:Indic and Template_talk:Indic and see what they think? Thanks. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 15:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi all, happy Holi. I have started an India-specific quiz at WP:PINQ. The objective is to see that the articles refrred to in the quiz get more attention and that these questions be modified into "Did you know.." facts for WP:PIN, our portal. I know that there are several avid quizzers such as Nichalp, Tintin and Idleguy, so I expect that the quiz page would be swamped. Bless this venture, -- Gurubrahma 10:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Kolkata is this week's Indian collaboration of the week. Please contribute. - Ganeshk ( talk)
Am I the only one here who sees problems in this map? To begin with, I don't quite appreciate the discretization of cultural variations in this way. There's a Hindi saying about Indian culture that goes: Kos kos pe badale pani, char kos pe vani (The taste of water changes every 3 kms, and the language changes every 12 km.) In some regions in Europe which have been politically isolated for centuries, there are indeed sharp variations, where on two sides of the border people speak different languages. Now with unification of Europe, that's going away. In India, things always change uniformly over space. Even if we decide to draw these cultural borders, and even decide to use the crude approximation of using states as basic units, it's difficult to see, for example, why Gujarat would be in the north Indian cultural zone and not West. There are many such issues that can be endlessly debated. Also, since there's no published academic concept of such a classification, it's kind of original research. One suggestion I can think of would be to make a map that uses smooth gradients. Another would be to not have such a map at all. Would like to know what others think. deeptrivia ( talk) 04:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
The selected article section on the India portal has just started. No article has been selected as yet after a community vote and review. I don't think it is right to add this template to existing articles that were randomly picked. I propose this template be removed from article talk pages that did not have selected article peer review. Your thoughts? - Ganeshk ( talk) 08:06, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to deal with this page- I do not have too much experience with creating disambiguations appropriately. But it is clear that this ( Sita) is not how the page should be. Any assistance with the page would be appreciated. Thanks! DevanJedi 01:29, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
MPatel and I have started working on articles on Muslim pilgrimages to local shrines (not the Hajj). Ziyarat is about the general topic, Ziyaret is intended as a list of pilgrimage sites. I believe that there are such sites in India, tombs of Sufi pirs and the like. It would be nice if some of the Indian editors could contribute to the list of sites and especially nice if we could have pictures (public domain or creative commons). This is something that only WP could do -- working across borders, collaboratively, to produce a record of what I expect to be much beautiful architecture. Zora 09:07, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Here are some requested maps for the History of India wikiproject. I've made these requests at Wikipedia:WikiProject Maps/Requested and orphan maps, but I guess, it's a good idea to put it here too. Please feel free to add more requests, and of course, to contribute. deeptrivia ( talk) 05:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
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)FYI, Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Gandhi and Jinnah is a featured picture candidate. It is not that great of a pic IMO, but just putting it out there FYI. Pepsidrinka 05:36, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
An anon and a n00b are adding a lot to the above - their edits have changed the total structure of the article itself. It could also be a copy-vio though I haven't been able to find any sources to substantiate this. Someone may want to add the article to their watchlist and track the progress of the article. TIA, -- Gurubrahma 04:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
From looking at the list of languages by number of native speakers and comparing that to the success of their Wikipedia projects, a few jump out significantly. Of the top ten with the most speakers, 3 have Wikipedia projects that don’t even make it in the top 50—Hindi, Bangla, and Panjabi. Arabic is a top ten language that has an only somewhat larger WP at #37 with 11,000 articles. Telugu, Marathi, Tamil, Urdu, and Gujarati are all top 25 languages that have less than 2,500 articles. I believe we can more successfully meet the mission of the foundation of getting the world’s knowledge to people if we successfully attract more participation to the projects for the most widely spoken languages.
I know many of you here speak some of these languages, and many of you contribute there too, but these projects simply haven’t attracted a critical mass yet. I think I know many of the factors why (demographics, interest, cultural factors, etc), but I haven’t figured out the best ways to tackle the problem. What are the most significant barriers to your participation or that of others? What ways can you all think of to successfully attract more participants in these languages? I know that each have a significant population of educated students, professors, and professionals that haven’t been exposed to the project. I also know that we only work on what is interesting to us, and that's perfectly fine, but I do think there is untapped potential. Thank you very much - Taxman Talk 22:20, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello. Can someone be so nice as to post the 2006 dates of Ugadi, Mahavir Jayanti, Rama Navami .... and other upcoming Indian holidays on the holidays section on Template:Current events, please ? I can't find the dates in the wikiarticles on most Indian holidays. Thanks. -- PFHLai 23:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Jaisalmer is this week's Indian collaboration of the week. Please contribute and help it become a featured- standard article.. - Ganeshk ( talk) 04:36, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
I was wondering if it's a good idea to have a mailing list of Indian wikipedians (like a yahoogroup.) Of course, we'll have a code of conduct regarding what not to post on the list, so that it conforms with wikipedia policies (eg no campaigning, etc.) A majority of Indian wikipedians are not regular, and a mailing list will help them keep abreast of what's happening even if they don't log in often. The mailing list would also help us discuss general wikipedia issues like any meetings we might organize in future, or things like how to make wikipedia more popular in India. We might also have a kind of weekly or monthly "newsletter" describing new India-related things happening on wikipedia, depending upon how enthusiastic people are. Would this be useful? deeptrivia ( talk) 03:52, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
This may help [1]. -- Gurubrahma 18:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Cool. So then how does it work? How does one subscribe to wikimedia-in? deeptrivia ( talk) 19:25, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
It seems we all just have to subscribe using [4], and then wikimediaindia-l@Wikimedia.org will be the address at which mails can be sent. Nothing really to kickstart here :) deeptrivia ( talk) 05:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Okay I subscribed. There are 20 members as of now. I guess it isn't a veru active list, but would have a better insight in a few days. deeptrivia ( talk) 15:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
This is a nice idea to remain in touch and exchange of views and news. Let us try to make the idea a practical reality. -- Bhadani 16:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
I am particularly happy that we have had an increase in India-related featured articles recently. :) I've gone through the List of featured articles and I've listed a few high priority articles that should be elevated to featured status, hopefully by the end of 2006.
=Nichalp «Talk»= 14:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi All - I request your help and advice on making Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel an FA. There are many issues with the article, and I need the aid of all. Rama's Arrow 16:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Just as the list of India-related FAs is on the rise, so is the case with the list of India-related articles for deletion. Today, I added fifteen tagged articles (10 AFD, 5 PROD) to WP:DSI - please watchlist that page, if you have not done so already and participate actively in the discussions there in. I can't help but wonder how many are being speedied apart from these. -- Gurubrahma 16:26, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Further to Portal_talk:India#Nominate already?, can contributors familiar with the various India-related articles' policies/guidance update the "Conventions" section in the Notice board? I have added one or two, but I feel this section should be more comprehensive to help both new and regular contributors. AreJay 21:03, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, As I have already added elsewhere, a meet will be organised in Bangalore on April 2, 2006 Sunday by the Kannada wikipedia. Please us this form to register if you are interested in attending the meet. You may contact Hariprasad Nadig if you have any questions, etc.,-- Pamri • Talk 04:10, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I just transfered a block of text to create the new article on Malabari paratha. Should this be considered a flatbread? Rmhermen 17:00, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking of nominating this picture for FP status. Does it look like a reasonable picture? We could choose other pictures from commons:Category:Mohandas_K._Gandhi. I like this one, but it has issues like size and graininess. deeptrivia ( talk) 04:05, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
I've been editing lots of articles related to Sikhism and Punjabi and I've come to a bit of a problem. There appears to be no unified way of representing and highlighting transliterations. The general consensus is to work towards IAST (which is extended to other Indic scripts with the use of ISO 15919). However, there is no style guide as to the naming of articles or when and where to use exact transliterations. So far in Wikipedia we have IAST, Bolly-trans and DIY transliteration :D
I recommend we should come to some sort of unified approach. For example, at the beginning of any article that uses an Indian word, we show the original script and we transliterate it using IAST. If there are alternative spellings we also list them. So for the Punjabi word 'Gurdwara' we start off with:
"A Gurdwara ( Punjabi: ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਾ, guradu'ārā or ਗੁਰਦਵਾਰਾ, guradavārā)..."
This could be simplified to another template that follows the form {{langtrans|pa|ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਾ|guradu'ārā|ਗੁਰਦਵਾਰਾ|guradavārā}} ? At the end of the transliteration section we could include a question mark [?] that links to a page detailing the transliteration scheme.
I recommend that in title names itself we try *not* to use IAST accent marks because this appears to be the general Wikipedia policy. The actual title should indicate its pronounciation (e.g. guradavārā will become Gurdvara) and in most cases, making the distinction between similar letters is not required in English (e.g. 'r' and 'ṛ').
My ideas might not be brilliant, but I really do think we need a unified scheme for when and where to use transliterations. Should we use them only at the beginning of an article to explain a particular term or should we use them throughout and article? Should we have IAST article names or not? It'd be good to get a discussion going.
Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 15:32, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, can everyone take a look at Template:Indic and Template_talk:Indic and see what they think? Thanks. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 15:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi all, happy Holi. I have started an India-specific quiz at WP:PINQ. The objective is to see that the articles refrred to in the quiz get more attention and that these questions be modified into "Did you know.." facts for WP:PIN, our portal. I know that there are several avid quizzers such as Nichalp, Tintin and Idleguy, so I expect that the quiz page would be swamped. Bless this venture, -- Gurubrahma 10:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Kolkata is this week's Indian collaboration of the week. Please contribute. - Ganeshk ( talk)
Am I the only one here who sees problems in this map? To begin with, I don't quite appreciate the discretization of cultural variations in this way. There's a Hindi saying about Indian culture that goes: Kos kos pe badale pani, char kos pe vani (The taste of water changes every 3 kms, and the language changes every 12 km.) In some regions in Europe which have been politically isolated for centuries, there are indeed sharp variations, where on two sides of the border people speak different languages. Now with unification of Europe, that's going away. In India, things always change uniformly over space. Even if we decide to draw these cultural borders, and even decide to use the crude approximation of using states as basic units, it's difficult to see, for example, why Gujarat would be in the north Indian cultural zone and not West. There are many such issues that can be endlessly debated. Also, since there's no published academic concept of such a classification, it's kind of original research. One suggestion I can think of would be to make a map that uses smooth gradients. Another would be to not have such a map at all. Would like to know what others think. deeptrivia ( talk) 04:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
The selected article section on the India portal has just started. No article has been selected as yet after a community vote and review. I don't think it is right to add this template to existing articles that were randomly picked. I propose this template be removed from article talk pages that did not have selected article peer review. Your thoughts? - Ganeshk ( talk) 08:06, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to deal with this page- I do not have too much experience with creating disambiguations appropriately. But it is clear that this ( Sita) is not how the page should be. Any assistance with the page would be appreciated. Thanks! DevanJedi 01:29, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
MPatel and I have started working on articles on Muslim pilgrimages to local shrines (not the Hajj). Ziyarat is about the general topic, Ziyaret is intended as a list of pilgrimage sites. I believe that there are such sites in India, tombs of Sufi pirs and the like. It would be nice if some of the Indian editors could contribute to the list of sites and especially nice if we could have pictures (public domain or creative commons). This is something that only WP could do -- working across borders, collaboratively, to produce a record of what I expect to be much beautiful architecture. Zora 09:07, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Here are some requested maps for the History of India wikiproject. I've made these requests at Wikipedia:WikiProject Maps/Requested and orphan maps, but I guess, it's a good idea to put it here too. Please feel free to add more requests, and of course, to contribute. deeptrivia ( talk) 05:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
(
)FYI, Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Gandhi and Jinnah is a featured picture candidate. It is not that great of a pic IMO, but just putting it out there FYI. Pepsidrinka 05:36, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
An anon and a n00b are adding a lot to the above - their edits have changed the total structure of the article itself. It could also be a copy-vio though I haven't been able to find any sources to substantiate this. Someone may want to add the article to their watchlist and track the progress of the article. TIA, -- Gurubrahma 04:47, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
From looking at the list of languages by number of native speakers and comparing that to the success of their Wikipedia projects, a few jump out significantly. Of the top ten with the most speakers, 3 have Wikipedia projects that don’t even make it in the top 50—Hindi, Bangla, and Panjabi. Arabic is a top ten language that has an only somewhat larger WP at #37 with 11,000 articles. Telugu, Marathi, Tamil, Urdu, and Gujarati are all top 25 languages that have less than 2,500 articles. I believe we can more successfully meet the mission of the foundation of getting the world’s knowledge to people if we successfully attract more participation to the projects for the most widely spoken languages.
I know many of you here speak some of these languages, and many of you contribute there too, but these projects simply haven’t attracted a critical mass yet. I think I know many of the factors why (demographics, interest, cultural factors, etc), but I haven’t figured out the best ways to tackle the problem. What are the most significant barriers to your participation or that of others? What ways can you all think of to successfully attract more participants in these languages? I know that each have a significant population of educated students, professors, and professionals that haven’t been exposed to the project. I also know that we only work on what is interesting to us, and that's perfectly fine, but I do think there is untapped potential. Thank you very much - Taxman Talk 22:20, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello. Can someone be so nice as to post the 2006 dates of Ugadi, Mahavir Jayanti, Rama Navami .... and other upcoming Indian holidays on the holidays section on Template:Current events, please ? I can't find the dates in the wikiarticles on most Indian holidays. Thanks. -- PFHLai 23:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Jaisalmer is this week's Indian collaboration of the week. Please contribute and help it become a featured- standard article.. - Ganeshk ( talk) 04:36, 26 March 2006 (UTC)