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@ Drewmutt, Forceradical, and NKohli (WMF): It seems a bit odd to me to start the page with "Welcome to Wikipedia!". If they've gotten as far as this page, they are probably relatively familiar with the site, i.e. they've created an account and either followed a redlink or tried to go directly to a non-existent page. What if we just got straight to the point and started with "The article that you're looking for doesn't currently exist"? Kaldari ( talk) 20:55, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
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<copyright violation removed>-- Rgrrgrsd ( talk) 22:27, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Drewmutt: When the window is small, the "Get Help" button overlaps the "The article that you're looking for doesn't exist" text. I made the text slightly shorter in the meantime to mitigate the problem, but we should figure out how to get the text to wrap. Kaldari ( talk) 23:33, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Please see this query about the help desk by Timothyjosephwood. TonyBallioni ( talk) 01:02, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
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Bymiguel09 ( talk) 06:16, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
i wanna be administrator on wikipedia
Alex Shih, this might be one of the rare occasions we want to semi-protect a talk page. I have a suspicion we'll be getting a lot of edit requests. Possibly with an page notice template of some sort directing people to the teas house? TonyBallioni ( talk) 06:24, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm told there's a way to remove this title from the page. It's not really helpful and it takes up real estate. Just a thought. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 19:14, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
For those who click on a red link. RhoLands ( talk) 06:17, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Please see [1]. It might be confusing to a new user if they were merely trying to search a term within Wikipedia, and aren't yet aware how to wait for the drop down that says "containing...". Can we add a button that links to Special:Search? Thanks! 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 21:47, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Just wanted to drop a note, since I imagine there's a good deal of interest overlap between this and the article wizard. The discussion is here, if there's any interest. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 01:12, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
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Proposed replacement for the matching wikitext at the top:
The article that you're looking for doesn't exist.
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After "you'll be on your way to contributing to Wikipedia" and before the DIV, insert a blank line and "Important: Your article will not be accepted unless you cite significant coverage of the topic in independent reliable sources."
Here's an interesting alternate icon that could be used for "Need help": Alsee ( talk) 14:32, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
{{
edit template-protected}}
template. It's an interesting proposal, but such a large change to a highly visible page needs some discussion first. --
Ahecht (
TALKAh, I just found the discussion on building the landing page. It looks like there was an small blue icon on the top section just before the end. I don't quite see why it was removed. Alsee ( talk) 06:39, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I found the drop in the page views by a few hundred thousand overnight to be interesting: [2]. My assumption here is that it was caused by IPs clicking on redlinks the first few days, but did want to point it out here in case anyone was curious. TonyBallioni ( talk) 16:15, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Page | Baseline | 15-18 Sept | 19-25 Sept | ||||
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Daily views |
Daily views |
% change |
Daily views |
% change |
Numerical change | ||
Landing page | -- | 271,454 | -- | 2,796 | -- | 2,796 | |
Before you create an article... | Your first article | 1,498 | 2,711 | 81.0 | 2,245 | 49.9 | 747 |
Need help? | Help desk | 1,119 | 1,320 | 18.0 | 1,256 | 12.2 | 137 |
Teahouse | 991 | 978 | -1.3 | 852 | -14.0 | -139 | |
Live chat | 75 | 263 | 250.7 | 94 | 25.3 | 19 | |
Different ways to edit | Try editing | 407 | 465 | 14.3 | 421 | 3.4 | 14 |
Improve | 3,467 | 6,332 | 82.6 | 4,229 | 22.0 | 762 | |
Create new article | 1,390 | 2,087 | 50.1 | 2,016 | 45.0 | 626 |
The language on this page says, "You can create it, but...". However, in my understanding, which is incomplete, new accounts can't currently do so while ACTRIAL is underway. So if follow a redlink (or other means) and get directed here the language says I can, but in reality I can't? It is very likely I'm missing something and would appreciate it if someone could clarify. Thanks. Ckoerner ( talk) 20:30, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
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As written the first big sentence of this page says: * Before you create an article, you should read Your first Wikipedia article.". This is could easily be misinterpreted. It sounds like you are telling the potential editor to read their first wikipedia article. This was how I first read it and then took a double take.
I think instead of saying "read Your First Article" it should say "read these instructions" or "read Writing an Article." Thanks! Jkatz (WMF) ( talk) 18:51, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
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Please prepend <noinclude>{{pp-template|small=yes}}</noinclude>
to the start of the page. It is currently template-protected (see
the protection log) but the page is not currently tagged as such. Thanks, --
DannyS712 (
talk)
06:11, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Following up from the above, where do you all think the "start helping" button should link? I submit that the WP:Task Center is a better destination than WP:Community portal#Help out; it was designed pretty much precisely for this situation (new editors wanting to know how they can help), and if it can't be used here, it might as well be deleted. Sdkb ( talk) 03:46, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
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Please update the "start helping" button to point to the WP:Task Center, a better resource for new editors seeking to find tasks to help with.
Sdkb ( talk) 23:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
{{
edit template-protected}}
template. —
JJMC89 (
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03:09, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Could we add some documentation to this page which details how exactly it's showing up for users? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 17:57, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
@ Drewmutt, Forceradical, and NKohli (WMF): It seems a bit odd to me to start the page with "Welcome to Wikipedia!". If they've gotten as far as this page, they are probably relatively familiar with the site, i.e. they've created an account and either followed a redlink or tried to go directly to a non-existent page. What if we just got straight to the point and started with "The article that you're looking for doesn't currently exist"? Kaldari ( talk) 20:55, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Wikipedia:New user landing page has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
<copyright violation removed>-- Rgrrgrsd ( talk) 22:27, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Drewmutt: When the window is small, the "Get Help" button overlaps the "The article that you're looking for doesn't exist" text. I made the text slightly shorter in the meantime to mitigate the problem, but we should figure out how to get the text to wrap. Kaldari ( talk) 23:33, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
Please see this query about the help desk by Timothyjosephwood. TonyBallioni ( talk) 01:02, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Wikipedia:New user landing page has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Bymiguel09 ( talk) 06:16, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
i wanna be administrator on wikipedia
Alex Shih, this might be one of the rare occasions we want to semi-protect a talk page. I have a suspicion we'll be getting a lot of edit requests. Possibly with an page notice template of some sort directing people to the teas house? TonyBallioni ( talk) 06:24, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
I'm told there's a way to remove this title from the page. It's not really helpful and it takes up real estate. Just a thought. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 19:14, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
For those who click on a red link. RhoLands ( talk) 06:17, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Please see [1]. It might be confusing to a new user if they were merely trying to search a term within Wikipedia, and aren't yet aware how to wait for the drop down that says "containing...". Can we add a button that links to Special:Search? Thanks! 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 21:47, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Just wanted to drop a note, since I imagine there's a good deal of interest overlap between this and the article wizard. The discussion is here, if there's any interest. Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 01:12, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Proposed replacement for the matching wikitext at the top:
The article that you're looking for doesn't exist.
|
After "you'll be on your way to contributing to Wikipedia" and before the DIV, insert a blank line and "Important: Your article will not be accepted unless you cite significant coverage of the topic in independent reliable sources."
Here's an interesting alternate icon that could be used for "Need help": Alsee ( talk) 14:32, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
{{
edit template-protected}}
template. It's an interesting proposal, but such a large change to a highly visible page needs some discussion first. --
Ahecht (
TALKAh, I just found the discussion on building the landing page. It looks like there was an small blue icon on the top section just before the end. I don't quite see why it was removed. Alsee ( talk) 06:39, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
I found the drop in the page views by a few hundred thousand overnight to be interesting: [2]. My assumption here is that it was caused by IPs clicking on redlinks the first few days, but did want to point it out here in case anyone was curious. TonyBallioni ( talk) 16:15, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
Page | Baseline | 15-18 Sept | 19-25 Sept | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Daily views |
Daily views |
% change |
Daily views |
% change |
Numerical change | ||
Landing page | -- | 271,454 | -- | 2,796 | -- | 2,796 | |
Before you create an article... | Your first article | 1,498 | 2,711 | 81.0 | 2,245 | 49.9 | 747 |
Need help? | Help desk | 1,119 | 1,320 | 18.0 | 1,256 | 12.2 | 137 |
Teahouse | 991 | 978 | -1.3 | 852 | -14.0 | -139 | |
Live chat | 75 | 263 | 250.7 | 94 | 25.3 | 19 | |
Different ways to edit | Try editing | 407 | 465 | 14.3 | 421 | 3.4 | 14 |
Improve | 3,467 | 6,332 | 82.6 | 4,229 | 22.0 | 762 | |
Create new article | 1,390 | 2,087 | 50.1 | 2,016 | 45.0 | 626 |
The language on this page says, "You can create it, but...". However, in my understanding, which is incomplete, new accounts can't currently do so while ACTRIAL is underway. So if follow a redlink (or other means) and get directed here the language says I can, but in reality I can't? It is very likely I'm missing something and would appreciate it if someone could clarify. Thanks. Ckoerner ( talk) 20:30, 12 October 2017 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Wikipedia:New user landing page has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
As written the first big sentence of this page says: * Before you create an article, you should read Your first Wikipedia article.". This is could easily be misinterpreted. It sounds like you are telling the potential editor to read their first wikipedia article. This was how I first read it and then took a double take.
I think instead of saying "read Your First Article" it should say "read these instructions" or "read Writing an Article." Thanks! Jkatz (WMF) ( talk) 18:51, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Wikipedia:New user landing page has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please prepend <noinclude>{{pp-template|small=yes}}</noinclude>
to the start of the page. It is currently template-protected (see
the protection log) but the page is not currently tagged as such. Thanks, --
DannyS712 (
talk)
06:11, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
Following up from the above, where do you all think the "start helping" button should link? I submit that the WP:Task Center is a better destination than WP:Community portal#Help out; it was designed pretty much precisely for this situation (new editors wanting to know how they can help), and if it can't be used here, it might as well be deleted. Sdkb ( talk) 03:46, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Wikipedia:New user landing page has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Please update the "start helping" button to point to the WP:Task Center, a better resource for new editors seeking to find tasks to help with.
Sdkb ( talk) 23:21, 25 March 2020 (UTC)
{{
edit template-protected}}
template. —
JJMC89 (
T·
C)
03:09, 26 March 2020 (UTC)
Could we add some documentation to this page which details how exactly it's showing up for users? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 17:57, 28 May 2021 (UTC)