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How many editors are really that set against (band) for boy bands and girl bands? In ictu oculi ( talk) 14:47, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
"(group)", "(band)", "(musical group)", what should it be? (CC) Tbhotch ™ 03:19, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Per WP:BANDDAB et al., a supplementary page that I wrote and got approved through RFC, and that was later merged here:
The examples provided above were an example of how inconsistent the disambiguation parentheses were before 2015 when this was written. The "when the musical ensemble" clause was the only logical solution I found to comprehend why RD (group) is at "RD (group)" while Garbage (band) is at "Garbage (band)". Since then, editors have had conflicts about when and why "(group)" should be used instead of "(band)", most notably at pages related to South Korean groups, groups known to be boy bands and girl groups (terms that are the key point of the conflict). The most common excuse to not use "group" is because "group" is vague:
But that's a poor rationale:
As you can see "vague" disambiguation exists, not only in music. Band itself is vague, but as people are associating more and more the term "band" with "musical band", Wikipedians don't complain about it. The idea here is not going to the extreme like Red Cross with Imperial Portraits (Fabergé egg) does. How many "Red Cross with Imperial Portraits" exist in the world? Just one, but people who supported that thought that " Red Cross with Imperial Portraits" would be more confusing.
The discussions in particular (I know about) are Talk: BTS/Archive 2#Requested move 8 December 2018 and Talk:2AM (band)#Requested move 21 February 2021, which leads to the initial question. Is "(group)" bad and should be excluded, is "(band)" better and the most viable solution, or every article should use the neutral and concise "(musical group)", as suggested by the two users above. Our article is at Musical ensemble and practically the following are as viable as any other option: "(music group)", "(musical group)", "(music band)", "(musical band)". Also, should we completely disappear other alternatives like "(duo)", "(vocal ensemble)", "(jazz ensemble)", "(orchestra)", etc? (CC) Tbhotch ™ 03:19, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Looking Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(music)/Archive_3 around 11 March 2019 I cannot see the discussion for this change 11 March 2019 addition of (single album). In ictu oculi ( talk) 09:41, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone disagree? In ictu oculi ( talk) 21:05, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
Watchers of this page may be interested in the discussion at Talk:Karma (2024 song)#Requested move 17 April 2024 older ≠ wiser 11:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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How many editors are really that set against (band) for boy bands and girl bands? In ictu oculi ( talk) 14:47, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
"(group)", "(band)", "(musical group)", what should it be? (CC) Tbhotch ™ 03:19, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Per WP:BANDDAB et al., a supplementary page that I wrote and got approved through RFC, and that was later merged here:
The examples provided above were an example of how inconsistent the disambiguation parentheses were before 2015 when this was written. The "when the musical ensemble" clause was the only logical solution I found to comprehend why RD (group) is at "RD (group)" while Garbage (band) is at "Garbage (band)". Since then, editors have had conflicts about when and why "(group)" should be used instead of "(band)", most notably at pages related to South Korean groups, groups known to be boy bands and girl groups (terms that are the key point of the conflict). The most common excuse to not use "group" is because "group" is vague:
But that's a poor rationale:
As you can see "vague" disambiguation exists, not only in music. Band itself is vague, but as people are associating more and more the term "band" with "musical band", Wikipedians don't complain about it. The idea here is not going to the extreme like Red Cross with Imperial Portraits (Fabergé egg) does. How many "Red Cross with Imperial Portraits" exist in the world? Just one, but people who supported that thought that " Red Cross with Imperial Portraits" would be more confusing.
The discussions in particular (I know about) are Talk: BTS/Archive 2#Requested move 8 December 2018 and Talk:2AM (band)#Requested move 21 February 2021, which leads to the initial question. Is "(group)" bad and should be excluded, is "(band)" better and the most viable solution, or every article should use the neutral and concise "(musical group)", as suggested by the two users above. Our article is at Musical ensemble and practically the following are as viable as any other option: "(music group)", "(musical group)", "(music band)", "(musical band)". Also, should we completely disappear other alternatives like "(duo)", "(vocal ensemble)", "(jazz ensemble)", "(orchestra)", etc? (CC) Tbhotch ™ 03:19, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
Looking Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(music)/Archive_3 around 11 March 2019 I cannot see the discussion for this change 11 March 2019 addition of (single album). In ictu oculi ( talk) 09:41, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Does anyone disagree? In ictu oculi ( talk) 21:05, 23 December 2022 (UTC)
Watchers of this page may be interested in the discussion at Talk:Karma (2024 song)#Requested move 17 April 2024 older ≠ wiser 11:25, 1 May 2024 (UTC)