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Merging is a recognized alternative to deletion (
WP:ATD-M), and yet this doesn't form part of the set of merge reasons here. While it is quite possible to call an AfD first (resulting in a merge), if the nominator thinks that a merge would be the best outcome, then it seems best to discuss this as a merge proposal. In practice, this is what often happens, but I have on several occasions come against the argument that notability is not relevant to a merge
discussion. However, notability is relevant to deletion, and so is a warranted consideration as part of a merge discussion; that is, an article not reaching
WP:GNG can be proposed for a merge. So, I therefore propose that we add to
WP:MERGEREASON a 6th point: General notability guidelines not met (linking to
WP:ATD-M). Of course, this would not prevent notable topics being merged for one of the other 5 very good reasons.
Klbrain (
talk)
11:36, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
This is often seen as an AfD aftermath. These discussions take place regarding unsourced or under-sourced articles, and AfD participants can't quite pull the trigger and delete the thing, so they dump it on us. The result: we merge the unsourced material to the designated target, and it is quickly challenged and deleted — A lot of work with no payback. I have merged hundreds of these, careful to merge only that which is sourced (even if with a bad source), and then am questioned on why the majority of the [unsourced] content was not moved over. This has even involved administrators a time or two (people who should know better). It's a failing of the AfD process, but we get burdened with the cleanup. I'm all for keeping anything that is well sourced, however, if an article can't pass GNG, then that content is likely to dilute the merge target and/or be removed entirely from it after the merge takes place. Instead of adding lack of notability to MERGEREASON, I think we need to address this at the AfD project-end of the process. In other words, If an article can't pass GNG, it can't be "Merge and Redirected", only: "Deleted" entirely, or simply "Redirected." Perhaps specific instructions to that end need to be added to the directions at AfD through an RfC. I really hate doing work twice on these articles. Regards, GenQuest "scribble" 18:46, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
I just merged into REDD and REDD+ but there are no drop down language links yet. Only Spanish and Norwegian have 2 articles. I cannot find anything in these instructions so hoping I don’t have to do anything Chidgk1 ( talk) 13:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
For context: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Royal descendants of John William Friso (3rd nomination) just closed as merge into John William Friso, more specifically John William Friso#Tree of royal descendants. (I proceeded to put the tree into a template which I also put on his wife's page, since they obviously.... procreated together).
Now I find a very similar situation, which has all the same issues as the one above, plus a lot more, namely WP:REDUNDANTFORKs everywhere, and no obvious single target for the merger.
I'm not sure where to even start nominating, so I was hoping someone could give me advice on how to proceed. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 19:27, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
It seems like the noun typically used to describe the topic is a "merge" and not a "merger". As such, I propose to update the page here to use the term "merge" instead of "merger". If there are any objections, let me know. Mdewman6 ( talk) 21:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
I am going to formally close the discussion and make the appropriate changes. Mdewman6 ( talk) 21:05, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
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Replace the redlink in step #6 of "How to Move" (" a logo") with File:Stade Lavallois logo.png, or any of the other 163724 files in Category:All non-free logos. 2603:8001:4542:28FB:4487:B54E:7615:4938 ( talk) 00:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC) (Please place talk page messages here instead)
Unused non-free media file", and the proposed one has a non-free license as well. But the link really should be pointed at some logo.
6. Check for non-free images (or other files). Examples: .... But at any rate, I just picked a random one as an example; if you'd rather you could try this one instead. 2603:8001:4542:28FB:5D4C:58E2:FE57:26F7 ( talk) 06:09, 13 October 2023 (UTC) (Please place talk page messages here instead)
I have encountered problems while trying to merge'' Q3326454 with Q264251. Both clusters of languages deal with the same topic (''anatomical terms of motion'') and I am neither able to add languge links in the old vector legacy (2010) skin (probably due to the fact, that both object are already clusters of more than one language) nor edit language links in the new Vector (2022) skin. Merging the articles with the MergeItems tool and the MergeLexemes tool resultet only in error messages. What am I doing wrong and how to solve this problem in the future? (I have already encountered this problem very often, so I hope that I will be able to contribute better to wikipedia in the future if someone explained me how address that issue ;) ) Mikulicz ( talk) 14:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
Is there any consensus on the best way to handle merging talk pages? After making the talk page of a long-merged article redirect to the new location,
[1] I've added the pre-merge talk page as
an archive with a decimal number. This is now searchable from an archive template, but won't show a hyperlink (positive integers only). If I had done this at the time of merging (instead of seven years later) I could have just moved the pre-merge talk page to Talk: <new article>/Archive <n + 1>
and incremented the arching counter to "n + 2". I used a generic {{
ombox}} to explain that the talk page had come from elsewhere because I don't see any kind of standard template for this. This all seems like the kind of thing a script could do, but after searching I don't think such a script exists.
Rjjiii (
talk)
20:06, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- The Destination (target) Talk-Page is tagged with (optional): {{merged-from|~source page~|date= }}'' –or– {{Copied|~source page~|date=}}
- The Source Talk-Page that has discussion content, should have the following template placed: {{merged-to|~destination page~|date= }}'' (without removing the old discussions, but replacing all other templates; including most project assessment templates (some projects want to keep these—they will correct if necessary); the exception is the archive index).
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 |
Merging is a recognized alternative to deletion (
WP:ATD-M), and yet this doesn't form part of the set of merge reasons here. While it is quite possible to call an AfD first (resulting in a merge), if the nominator thinks that a merge would be the best outcome, then it seems best to discuss this as a merge proposal. In practice, this is what often happens, but I have on several occasions come against the argument that notability is not relevant to a merge
discussion. However, notability is relevant to deletion, and so is a warranted consideration as part of a merge discussion; that is, an article not reaching
WP:GNG can be proposed for a merge. So, I therefore propose that we add to
WP:MERGEREASON a 6th point: General notability guidelines not met (linking to
WP:ATD-M). Of course, this would not prevent notable topics being merged for one of the other 5 very good reasons.
Klbrain (
talk)
11:36, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
This is often seen as an AfD aftermath. These discussions take place regarding unsourced or under-sourced articles, and AfD participants can't quite pull the trigger and delete the thing, so they dump it on us. The result: we merge the unsourced material to the designated target, and it is quickly challenged and deleted — A lot of work with no payback. I have merged hundreds of these, careful to merge only that which is sourced (even if with a bad source), and then am questioned on why the majority of the [unsourced] content was not moved over. This has even involved administrators a time or two (people who should know better). It's a failing of the AfD process, but we get burdened with the cleanup. I'm all for keeping anything that is well sourced, however, if an article can't pass GNG, then that content is likely to dilute the merge target and/or be removed entirely from it after the merge takes place. Instead of adding lack of notability to MERGEREASON, I think we need to address this at the AfD project-end of the process. In other words, If an article can't pass GNG, it can't be "Merge and Redirected", only: "Deleted" entirely, or simply "Redirected." Perhaps specific instructions to that end need to be added to the directions at AfD through an RfC. I really hate doing work twice on these articles. Regards, GenQuest "scribble" 18:46, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
I just merged into REDD and REDD+ but there are no drop down language links yet. Only Spanish and Norwegian have 2 articles. I cannot find anything in these instructions so hoping I don’t have to do anything Chidgk1 ( talk) 13:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
For context: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Royal descendants of John William Friso (3rd nomination) just closed as merge into John William Friso, more specifically John William Friso#Tree of royal descendants. (I proceeded to put the tree into a template which I also put on his wife's page, since they obviously.... procreated together).
Now I find a very similar situation, which has all the same issues as the one above, plus a lot more, namely WP:REDUNDANTFORKs everywhere, and no obvious single target for the merger.
I'm not sure where to even start nominating, so I was hoping someone could give me advice on how to proceed. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw ( talk) 19:27, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
It seems like the noun typically used to describe the topic is a "merge" and not a "merger". As such, I propose to update the page here to use the term "merge" instead of "merger". If there are any objections, let me know. Mdewman6 ( talk) 21:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
I am going to formally close the discussion and make the appropriate changes. Mdewman6 ( talk) 21:05, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
![]() | This
edit request to
Wikipedia:Merging has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Replace the redlink in step #6 of "How to Move" (" a logo") with File:Stade Lavallois logo.png, or any of the other 163724 files in Category:All non-free logos. 2603:8001:4542:28FB:4487:B54E:7615:4938 ( talk) 00:38, 13 October 2023 (UTC) (Please place talk page messages here instead)
Unused non-free media file", and the proposed one has a non-free license as well. But the link really should be pointed at some logo.
6. Check for non-free images (or other files). Examples: .... But at any rate, I just picked a random one as an example; if you'd rather you could try this one instead. 2603:8001:4542:28FB:5D4C:58E2:FE57:26F7 ( talk) 06:09, 13 October 2023 (UTC) (Please place talk page messages here instead)
I have encountered problems while trying to merge'' Q3326454 with Q264251. Both clusters of languages deal with the same topic (''anatomical terms of motion'') and I am neither able to add languge links in the old vector legacy (2010) skin (probably due to the fact, that both object are already clusters of more than one language) nor edit language links in the new Vector (2022) skin. Merging the articles with the MergeItems tool and the MergeLexemes tool resultet only in error messages. What am I doing wrong and how to solve this problem in the future? (I have already encountered this problem very often, so I hope that I will be able to contribute better to wikipedia in the future if someone explained me how address that issue ;) ) Mikulicz ( talk) 14:29, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
Is there any consensus on the best way to handle merging talk pages? After making the talk page of a long-merged article redirect to the new location,
[1] I've added the pre-merge talk page as
an archive with a decimal number. This is now searchable from an archive template, but won't show a hyperlink (positive integers only). If I had done this at the time of merging (instead of seven years later) I could have just moved the pre-merge talk page to Talk: <new article>/Archive <n + 1>
and incremented the arching counter to "n + 2". I used a generic {{
ombox}} to explain that the talk page had come from elsewhere because I don't see any kind of standard template for this. This all seems like the kind of thing a script could do, but after searching I don't think such a script exists.
Rjjiii (
talk)
20:06, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- The Destination (target) Talk-Page is tagged with (optional): {{merged-from|~source page~|date= }}'' –or– {{Copied|~source page~|date=}}
- The Source Talk-Page that has discussion content, should have the following template placed: {{merged-to|~destination page~|date= }}'' (without removing the old discussions, but replacing all other templates; including most project assessment templates (some projects want to keep these—they will correct if necessary); the exception is the archive index).