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In the third reference in this article there is a guide cited. This is an unbias reference for originations(such as Wikipedia) to follow. It states:
"While the term “Mormon Church” has long been publicly applied to the Church as a nickname, it is not an authorized title, and the Church discourages its use. Thus, please avoid using the abbreviation “LDS” or the nickname “Mormon” as substitutes for the name of the Church, as in “Mormon Church,” “LDS Church,” or “Church of the Latter-day Saints.”
Thus seems pretty clear that using LDS Church is inaccurate, biased, and somewhat offensive. These are all tenants that Wikipedia strives to combat. Thus organization strives for the most accurate information that can be obtained from its collective. It also works tirelessly to provide users with unbias articles that are free of political agendas. Furthermore, the last thing Wikipedia is about is attempting to be a platform for offensive articles. It only attempts to state facts and truth, and allow the reader to make connections and opinions. Nevertheless, this Manual of Style is clearly not adhering to these tenants, even AFTER citing the very source it conflicts with.
This needs to be updated. According to this church's information, it chooses to NOT be called the LDS Church, but that is the exact thing this Manual of Style insists its editors to use. This needs to change in order to agree with the foundational principles of Wikipedia, or else it jeopardizes Wikipedia's credibility. JaysonsmithNP ( talk) 03:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
...capitalization and punctuation of "Latter-day...
- ...Use the full name of the church on first references, with the church, church members, members of the faith preferred on second and later reference. When necessary for space or clarity or in quotations or proper names, Mormon, Mormons and Latter-day Saints are acceptable.
- ...The term Mormon is based on the church’s sacred Book of Mormon and remains in common use by members of the faith. When using the church’s full name, include a short explanation such as, the church, widely known as the Mormon church ...
- ...The term Mormon is not properly applied to the other Latter Day Saints churches that resulted from the splits after Smith’s death. This includes groups that call themselves “fundamentalist...”
— Associated Press, "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, The", Associated Press Stylebook (March 8, 2019) Emphasis included in original.
Why doesn't Wikipedia use "Book of Mormon" instead of "Book of Mormon"? Isn't that the (shortened) title of the book? We ordinarily use italics for the titles of books. I searched the talk page archives here and at Book of Mormon and didn't find any mention of the italics question. — BarrelProof ( talk) 02:13, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a request for comment about mid-sentence and mid-article title capitalization of the in the full name of the LDS Church at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters#RfC on mid-sentence and mid-article title capitalization of the in the full name of the LDS Church. Please contribute there. Thank you. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 12:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello, with the recent library of congress subject heading change (to not use the word "Mormon"), one of our catalogers here in the BYU Library, Bob Maxwell, created a webpage to assist in the searching of various denominations within the Latter Day Saint movement. You can read it here. It could be useful for us if we are looking for ways other institutions talk about churches within the movement. Rachel Helps (BYU) ( talk) 15:36, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
I've noticed some page titles include the full name of the church such as List of temples of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints by geographic region and some contain a shortened version such as the example's child page List of temples in the United States (LDS Church).
Additional examples using official name of the church:
Examples using "[topic] (LDS Church)" format include:
The official church position is to use the full name, but "LDS Church" is commonly used outside the church. The shortened version is more concise, uses less memory space, and simpler to read. I see standards directing use within an article, but not the title.
Is there a standard on how a title should be displayed? If not, should there be a standard?
This is the
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Manual of Style/Latter Day Saints page. |
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In the third reference in this article there is a guide cited. This is an unbias reference for originations(such as Wikipedia) to follow. It states:
"While the term “Mormon Church” has long been publicly applied to the Church as a nickname, it is not an authorized title, and the Church discourages its use. Thus, please avoid using the abbreviation “LDS” or the nickname “Mormon” as substitutes for the name of the Church, as in “Mormon Church,” “LDS Church,” or “Church of the Latter-day Saints.”
Thus seems pretty clear that using LDS Church is inaccurate, biased, and somewhat offensive. These are all tenants that Wikipedia strives to combat. Thus organization strives for the most accurate information that can be obtained from its collective. It also works tirelessly to provide users with unbias articles that are free of political agendas. Furthermore, the last thing Wikipedia is about is attempting to be a platform for offensive articles. It only attempts to state facts and truth, and allow the reader to make connections and opinions. Nevertheless, this Manual of Style is clearly not adhering to these tenants, even AFTER citing the very source it conflicts with.
This needs to be updated. According to this church's information, it chooses to NOT be called the LDS Church, but that is the exact thing this Manual of Style insists its editors to use. This needs to change in order to agree with the foundational principles of Wikipedia, or else it jeopardizes Wikipedia's credibility. JaysonsmithNP ( talk) 03:55, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
...capitalization and punctuation of "Latter-day...
- ...Use the full name of the church on first references, with the church, church members, members of the faith preferred on second and later reference. When necessary for space or clarity or in quotations or proper names, Mormon, Mormons and Latter-day Saints are acceptable.
- ...The term Mormon is based on the church’s sacred Book of Mormon and remains in common use by members of the faith. When using the church’s full name, include a short explanation such as, the church, widely known as the Mormon church ...
- ...The term Mormon is not properly applied to the other Latter Day Saints churches that resulted from the splits after Smith’s death. This includes groups that call themselves “fundamentalist...”
— Associated Press, "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, The", Associated Press Stylebook (March 8, 2019) Emphasis included in original.
Why doesn't Wikipedia use "Book of Mormon" instead of "Book of Mormon"? Isn't that the (shortened) title of the book? We ordinarily use italics for the titles of books. I searched the talk page archives here and at Book of Mormon and didn't find any mention of the italics question. — BarrelProof ( talk) 02:13, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
There is a request for comment about mid-sentence and mid-article title capitalization of the in the full name of the LDS Church at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters#RfC on mid-sentence and mid-article title capitalization of the in the full name of the LDS Church. Please contribute there. Thank you. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 12:51, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello, with the recent library of congress subject heading change (to not use the word "Mormon"), one of our catalogers here in the BYU Library, Bob Maxwell, created a webpage to assist in the searching of various denominations within the Latter Day Saint movement. You can read it here. It could be useful for us if we are looking for ways other institutions talk about churches within the movement. Rachel Helps (BYU) ( talk) 15:36, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
I've noticed some page titles include the full name of the church such as List of temples of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints by geographic region and some contain a shortened version such as the example's child page List of temples in the United States (LDS Church).
Additional examples using official name of the church:
Examples using "[topic] (LDS Church)" format include:
The official church position is to use the full name, but "LDS Church" is commonly used outside the church. The shortened version is more concise, uses less memory space, and simpler to read. I see standards directing use within an article, but not the title.
Is there a standard on how a title should be displayed? If not, should there be a standard?