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I created a table, which has became the subject of an edit war between admins and an anon editor. The table is as below (prior to the edit war):
Formation name | Date formed | Wartime date ceased to exist | Location(s) served | Notable campaign(s) | Notes | Source(s) |
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1st Special Service Brigade | November 1943 | N/A | Italy, UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany | Allied invasion of Sicily, Normandy, Allied advance from Paris to the Rhine, Western Allied invasion of Germany | Redesignated as 1 Commando Brigade, on 6 December 1944. | Source info here |
The following is the edit that is made, which has been reverted.
Formation name | Date formed | Wartime date ceased to exist | Location(s) served | Notable campaign(s) | Notes | Source(s) |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1st Special Service Brigade | November 1943 | — | Italy, UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany | Allied invasion of Sicily, Normandy, Allied advance from Paris to the Rhine, Western Allied invasion of Germany | Redesignated as 1 Commando Brigade, on 6 December 1944. | Source info here |
Does the template {{N/A}} conform to the MOS for a table such as this? Should it be used or not?
EnigmaMcmxc (
talk)
11:55, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Section 3.65: Empty cells. If a column head does not apply to one of the entries in the stub, the cell should either be left blank or, better, filled in by an em dash or three unspaced ellipsis dots. If a distinction is needed between "not applicable" and "no data available," a blank cell may be used for the former and an em dash or ellipsis dots for "no data" ... If this distinction is not clear from the text, a note may be added to the table. (Alternatively, the abbreviations n/a and n.d. may be used, with definitions given in a note.) A zero means literally that the quantity in a cell is zero....Jroberson108 ( talk) 13:46, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Recently, I edited List of feature films with gay characters to change the chart from a format where all the countries are bunched together into one column, as the below example shows:
Year | Title | Character(s) | Actor | Notes | Country | Ref(s) |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1968 | The Mercenary | Ricciolo (Curly) | Jack Palance | Italy, Spain, United States | [1] [2] |
I changed it to this:
Year | Title | Character(s) | Actor | Notes | Country | Ref(s) |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1968 | The Mercenary | Ricciolo (Curly) | Jack Palance | Italy | [1] [2] | |
Spain | ||||||
United States |
One user reverted this, saying "Do not add rows just for countries. Don't muck up the list and its formatting. Don't make the table more complicated for editors to edit" while I said that "putting all the countries into one row makes the chart inaccessible... and I'd argue it violates WP:ACCESSIBILITY. And it doesn't add too much complexity and it can be easily followed". Instead of changing anymore of the page, I decided to post here. If this isn't the right place, then I'd be glad to post this somewhere else instead. Is the change I did in line with MOS for a table such as this? Should it be used? Historyday01 ( talk) 19:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
References
Can MOS:COLHEAD violation in this case be worked around by adding "id=colX is empty. In row13 you can found...." or a hidden comment with a similar message to indicate to screen readers that more content can be found in the next row instead of rearranging the rows? Qwerty284651 ( talk) 23:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
{{
notes}}
or {{
efn}}
?
Qwerty284651 (
talk)
16:42, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Hi, are the cells spanned on multiple rows accessible? E.g., DC Extended Universe#Films: the correct way is to split the "Zack Snyder" cell into two cells with the same date or are they just fine as they are? Redjedi23 ( talk) 14:43, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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I created a table, which has became the subject of an edit war between admins and an anon editor. The table is as below (prior to the edit war):
Formation name | Date formed | Wartime date ceased to exist | Location(s) served | Notable campaign(s) | Notes | Source(s) |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1st Special Service Brigade | November 1943 | N/A | Italy, UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany | Allied invasion of Sicily, Normandy, Allied advance from Paris to the Rhine, Western Allied invasion of Germany | Redesignated as 1 Commando Brigade, on 6 December 1944. | Source info here |
The following is the edit that is made, which has been reverted.
Formation name | Date formed | Wartime date ceased to exist | Location(s) served | Notable campaign(s) | Notes | Source(s) |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1st Special Service Brigade | November 1943 | — | Italy, UK, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany | Allied invasion of Sicily, Normandy, Allied advance from Paris to the Rhine, Western Allied invasion of Germany | Redesignated as 1 Commando Brigade, on 6 December 1944. | Source info here |
Does the template {{N/A}} conform to the MOS for a table such as this? Should it be used or not?
EnigmaMcmxc (
talk)
11:55, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Section 3.65: Empty cells. If a column head does not apply to one of the entries in the stub, the cell should either be left blank or, better, filled in by an em dash or three unspaced ellipsis dots. If a distinction is needed between "not applicable" and "no data available," a blank cell may be used for the former and an em dash or ellipsis dots for "no data" ... If this distinction is not clear from the text, a note may be added to the table. (Alternatively, the abbreviations n/a and n.d. may be used, with definitions given in a note.) A zero means literally that the quantity in a cell is zero....Jroberson108 ( talk) 13:46, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
Recently, I edited List of feature films with gay characters to change the chart from a format where all the countries are bunched together into one column, as the below example shows:
Year | Title | Character(s) | Actor | Notes | Country | Ref(s) |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1968 | The Mercenary | Ricciolo (Curly) | Jack Palance | Italy, Spain, United States | [1] [2] |
I changed it to this:
Year | Title | Character(s) | Actor | Notes | Country | Ref(s) |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1968 | The Mercenary | Ricciolo (Curly) | Jack Palance | Italy | [1] [2] | |
Spain | ||||||
United States |
One user reverted this, saying "Do not add rows just for countries. Don't muck up the list and its formatting. Don't make the table more complicated for editors to edit" while I said that "putting all the countries into one row makes the chart inaccessible... and I'd argue it violates WP:ACCESSIBILITY. And it doesn't add too much complexity and it can be easily followed". Instead of changing anymore of the page, I decided to post here. If this isn't the right place, then I'd be glad to post this somewhere else instead. Is the change I did in line with MOS for a table such as this? Should it be used? Historyday01 ( talk) 19:50, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
References
Can MOS:COLHEAD violation in this case be worked around by adding "id=colX is empty. In row13 you can found...." or a hidden comment with a similar message to indicate to screen readers that more content can be found in the next row instead of rearranging the rows? Qwerty284651 ( talk) 23:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
{{
notes}}
or {{
efn}}
?
Qwerty284651 (
talk)
16:42, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Hi, are the cells spanned on multiple rows accessible? E.g., DC Extended Universe#Films: the correct way is to split the "Zack Snyder" cell into two cells with the same date or are they just fine as they are? Redjedi23 ( talk) 14:43, 21 June 2024 (UTC)