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What are we trying to achieve here? JFW | T@lk 29 June 2005 15:44 (UTC)
I found this website, and it mentions the JE being in the public domain, but its terms of use are a bunch of legal gibberish. I think they restrict the use of this stuff (which includes scanned page images), but why would they do that? It's just stuff copied from a public domain resource, so all they're doing is hampering the flow of information about Jewish history and culture. Any ideas? I'd like to use this, but I'm not sure if I can, so I haven't.
by the way: -- Joel7687 30 June 2005 22:52 (UTC)
Hi, I took a crack at an article, Yiram of Magdiel. Fairly straightforward, however, I will ask anyone working on these article, PLEASE do not just copy and paste. Clean them up. Make them into English. Fix the spellings. Get rid of the 19th century references unless they really move the text along. That said, I believe that this can be a valuable resource. I think I did a decent job cleaning up Yiram, so that, when compared to the original, can be a model of what I mean. Danny 02:52, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
I don't see why JE references should be removed. I have found that most of them can be found on the web in one format or another, and hence can be useful. -- -- -- 13:18, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Is anyone checking this encyclopedia for articles on topics not in the Jewish Encyclopedia? This encyclopedia will still be copyright, so we can't just copy it, but we can identify article topics. RachelBrown 13:44, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to add a percent done number to this page, but to do that, I need a initial number. Defrosted, as you created this page, do you remember how many links were on it originally? If so, please add that # to the page, and I'll come along and create a percentage number, and add it to the Missing articles template. Thanks! JesseW 23:52, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
There are links to each of the alphabetical pages, but some of those page links are still red (i.e. they don't exist). Do those lists exist someplace? Could someone create those pages, please? Womble 01:04, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
I noticed User:Dubaduba was copying material from, among other places, the encyclopedia britannica, searching his contribs, he has also been dumping material from the jewish encyclopedia, so i am afraid all blue links wil have to be checked. Martin - The non-blue non-moose 23:39, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi, this is a general invite, asking whether anyone might be interested in joining a long term Wikiproject
(As in Biblical Criticism, rather than about criticising the bible)
Its goal is to increase the amount of information originating from academia in biblical articles, as it is noticably lacking at the moment, this includes
This also includes transferring the information present in the public domain Jewish Encyclopedia, which is not present in Wikipedia. This work is over 100 years old, and so the information needs updating once copied over, e.g. by taking account of subsequent scholarship (e.g. Martin Noth, Richard Friedman, Israel Finkelstein).
--francis 15:29, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
When someone scans one of the project subpages for pruning and follows the bluelinks, one of the following is possible:
Last two points about leaving comments are important for the future editors.
[The above comment was posted by User:Wikiolap on 00:08, 21 February 2006].
By Wikiolap 06:29, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Welcome Wikipedia:WikiProject Orthodox Judaism. Please join if you are interested. Thank you. IZAK 08:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
This is a note to let you know the reason why I removed the link to "gymnasium," and to offer a suggestion. A link to "gymnasium" merely points to the disambiguation page (not any article), which creates a need for Disambiguation link repair - You can help!. Also, on this particular page, "gymnasium" seems to be a list item rather than a topic that is being discussed. I felt that removing the link would not damage the page's contents; plus I wasn't sure which meaning of gymnasium was being referred to. A more specific link will not cause this problem. Examples include: [[Gymnasium (school)|Gymnasium]] and [[gym|Gymnasium]] Thanks for your patience, Ling.Nut 00:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
NEW: On Wikiversity there is now a " Jewish Studies School." Will it become a "duplication" of many things on Wikipedia? What should it's goals and functions be? Please add your learned views. Thank you. IZAK 09:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I haven't been able to connect to the Jewish Encyclopedia at http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/index.jsp for three days now. Is anyone else having this problem? Does anyone know what's going on? -- Rbraunwa 14:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
We've uploaded nearly all of our encyclopedia topics, a list of which is available here. Most are under Judaism category "The Holocaust"-- USHMMwestheim 04:55, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
WP:ANI#User:Lopakhin and the Jewish Encyclopedia. — Random832 18:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I have changed the project page to treat this as an ongoing tracking list of JE articles, rather than a missing articles list.
Essentially JE topics, once they have articles encompassing the JE material, should therefore not be deleted ("pruned") from the list; but, rather, should be retained on the list as blue-links (though marked as passing quality control).
My motivations for this change are twofold: first, that the effort going into annotating the JE articles list are useful in their own right, and should be preserved for others, rather than deleted once we have the material. (I also find it makes it a lot easier to browse the JE than any index on the JE site). Secondly, that it is useful to preserve a tracking list as to how we are using JE content, rather than simply declaring that it has been satisfactorily assimilated. IMO, the 1911 verification project gives a good example as to how this can subsequently be useful -- the 1911 project deleted its working indexes as it went along; and that has made now verifying how well the 1911 material is being used rather harder than it should be.
If we're not going to remove items from the list any more, that means we instead need a system to mark up how material is being used. Beyond the obvious redlinks, the following annotations seem useful to me, to go before in bold before the JE link. But please treat these as just opening suggestions, to be discussed and refined:
This is just some preliminary thinking; let's consider and improve now, before full-on triage gets too far underway.
Because the intention should now be to keep an entry on the list for every JE topic heading, I have reformatted them into pages of 500 by the original count, moving some entries back a page where necessary. I have also subdivided into sections of 100, to make editing easier. Although there could be a case for making the subsections smaller, I liked dividing the articles into centuries, because this should allow creation of summary statistics totalling articles with coverage, articles marked JE, and articles marked S, on the same scale as percentages for the project as a whole. 100 is quite large, but I hope not too large that people will think it too big a block of articles to take on and tackle.
I have also now gone through the whole topic list, and done my best to clean-up the list for issues like capitalisation, and the upper-casing/lower-casing of characters with diacritics (which was previously a bit odd).
Something which remains to do is to add back list-entries (presumably to be marked S) for topics which have previously been signed off and removed. Unfortunately, though, a clean unedited topic list doesn't seem to be available in the page history for all pages. (Update: done, give or take a few single exceptions)
Other things that I hope to do.
With luck, some or all of this should be supportable with scripts.
(Plus, of course, continuing to bear down on red links.)
All this will, I hope, make the "JE topics" pages more useful as a resource, and also more accessible to bring up to speed. I hope, therefore, it is acceptable. Jheald ( talk) 21:37, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I strongly disagree that the advice given here is valid ; the scholarship is outdated, and the point of view is old-fashioned. Almost all topics have received substantial work since, and can be found in the Encyclopedia Judaica, and other more modern sources. There are new aspects to many topics, and reinterpretation of older ones It is much more appropriate to use Encyclopedia Judaica -- in the second edition of 2006-7. It is not free, but all academic libraries have it, and most medium sized public libraries also. I would only use the old JE d cautiously to supplement modern sources, to indicate the view that was taken by the writers of a particular article at the time it was written. It is no longer a RS, certainly not for interpretation, or views about importance or significance. The best use for it, I think, is a guide to what topics need to be covered.
I think it would be fair to challenge the sourcing of any article based only on this, as equally for any article based only on the old EB. DGG ( talk ) 21:31, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
“ | For events prior to 1900, it is considered to offer a level of scholarship superior to either of the more recent Jewish Encyclopedias written in English | ” |
— [1] |
“ | Although published in the early 1900s, this was a work highly regarded for its scholarship. Much of the material is still of value to researchers in Jewish History | ” |
— [2] |
If this is a Project, why the prefix? People will think this is something official. Am I missing something? Mzk1 ( talk) 21:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
The project appears to assume that every JE article should have a corresponding WP article, but some seem low on notability for WP. For example, JE has an article for each of 12 Palestinian Amoraim named "Yizhaq," all of whom are red links. JE also has dozens and dozens of 19th-century personalities that have little content and are red links on WP. Is JE coverage enough for WP:NOTE? — Rafi 01:45, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Please see The Arizal was a Palestinian with various disscussions at User talk:Chesdovi, User talk:Debresser (with next 8 talkback sections), User talk:Supreme Deliciousness, Assesing regional identity. Chesdovi ( talk) 15:02, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
I have altered {{ Jewish Encyclopedia}} to take far more parameters the most significant of which is "wstitle=" which will link to an Jewish Encyclopedia on Wikisource: see Wikisource:Jewish Encyclopedia. There are two other templates:
Both {{ Cite Jewish Encyclopedia}} and {{ Jewish Encyclopedia}} take the same parameters with one or two exceptions:
{{ Jewish Encyclopedia}} is a wrapper around {{ Cite Jewish Encyclopedia}} which is a wrapper around {{ Cite encyclopedia}}, so have the same layout as {{ Cite encyclopedia}} with {{ Jewish Encyclopedia}} having a leading attribution string. Not all of the parameters used in {{ Cite encyclopedia}} but most of the common ones are. It is easy to add any of the additional {{ Cite encyclopedia}} parameters if they are needed.
I would like to add some more pre-filled in parameters, but do not know what values they should have. It would be nice to include the publisher, and based on the volume number, the date of publication of a specific volume. -- PBS ( talk) 03:24, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
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Helped contribute to 1791 articles so far. The Jewish Encyclopedia definitely deserves this. Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 12:05, 27 September 2012 (UTC) |
Hi to everybody who sees this, we really need your help! Please help creating all the red-shaded terms... Thanks! click here Shalom11111 ( talk) 04:16, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
First, thanks for all your hard work!
And now... What are you? Looking at the project page (not this talk page, which has many categories as opposed to just the one), I couldn't figure out if you are:
Eep! I've got to go reboot my browser. I have yet to verify the above wikilinks and finish my thoughts, so please consider this a rough draft if you reply before I get back! Thanks, -- Geekdiva ( talk) 05:56, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
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What are we trying to achieve here? JFW | T@lk 29 June 2005 15:44 (UTC)
I found this website, and it mentions the JE being in the public domain, but its terms of use are a bunch of legal gibberish. I think they restrict the use of this stuff (which includes scanned page images), but why would they do that? It's just stuff copied from a public domain resource, so all they're doing is hampering the flow of information about Jewish history and culture. Any ideas? I'd like to use this, but I'm not sure if I can, so I haven't.
by the way: -- Joel7687 30 June 2005 22:52 (UTC)
Hi, I took a crack at an article, Yiram of Magdiel. Fairly straightforward, however, I will ask anyone working on these article, PLEASE do not just copy and paste. Clean them up. Make them into English. Fix the spellings. Get rid of the 19th century references unless they really move the text along. That said, I believe that this can be a valuable resource. I think I did a decent job cleaning up Yiram, so that, when compared to the original, can be a model of what I mean. Danny 02:52, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
I don't see why JE references should be removed. I have found that most of them can be found on the web in one format or another, and hence can be useful. -- -- -- 13:18, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
Is anyone checking this encyclopedia for articles on topics not in the Jewish Encyclopedia? This encyclopedia will still be copyright, so we can't just copy it, but we can identify article topics. RachelBrown 13:44, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to add a percent done number to this page, but to do that, I need a initial number. Defrosted, as you created this page, do you remember how many links were on it originally? If so, please add that # to the page, and I'll come along and create a percentage number, and add it to the Missing articles template. Thanks! JesseW 23:52, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
There are links to each of the alphabetical pages, but some of those page links are still red (i.e. they don't exist). Do those lists exist someplace? Could someone create those pages, please? Womble 01:04, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
I noticed User:Dubaduba was copying material from, among other places, the encyclopedia britannica, searching his contribs, he has also been dumping material from the jewish encyclopedia, so i am afraid all blue links wil have to be checked. Martin - The non-blue non-moose 23:39, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi, this is a general invite, asking whether anyone might be interested in joining a long term Wikiproject
(As in Biblical Criticism, rather than about criticising the bible)
Its goal is to increase the amount of information originating from academia in biblical articles, as it is noticably lacking at the moment, this includes
This also includes transferring the information present in the public domain Jewish Encyclopedia, which is not present in Wikipedia. This work is over 100 years old, and so the information needs updating once copied over, e.g. by taking account of subsequent scholarship (e.g. Martin Noth, Richard Friedman, Israel Finkelstein).
--francis 15:29, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
When someone scans one of the project subpages for pruning and follows the bluelinks, one of the following is possible:
Last two points about leaving comments are important for the future editors.
[The above comment was posted by User:Wikiolap on 00:08, 21 February 2006].
By Wikiolap 06:29, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Welcome Wikipedia:WikiProject Orthodox Judaism. Please join if you are interested. Thank you. IZAK 08:59, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
This is a note to let you know the reason why I removed the link to "gymnasium," and to offer a suggestion. A link to "gymnasium" merely points to the disambiguation page (not any article), which creates a need for Disambiguation link repair - You can help!. Also, on this particular page, "gymnasium" seems to be a list item rather than a topic that is being discussed. I felt that removing the link would not damage the page's contents; plus I wasn't sure which meaning of gymnasium was being referred to. A more specific link will not cause this problem. Examples include: [[Gymnasium (school)|Gymnasium]] and [[gym|Gymnasium]] Thanks for your patience, Ling.Nut 00:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
NEW: On Wikiversity there is now a " Jewish Studies School." Will it become a "duplication" of many things on Wikipedia? What should it's goals and functions be? Please add your learned views. Thank you. IZAK 09:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I haven't been able to connect to the Jewish Encyclopedia at http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/index.jsp for three days now. Is anyone else having this problem? Does anyone know what's going on? -- Rbraunwa 14:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
We've uploaded nearly all of our encyclopedia topics, a list of which is available here. Most are under Judaism category "The Holocaust"-- USHMMwestheim 04:55, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
WP:ANI#User:Lopakhin and the Jewish Encyclopedia. — Random832 18:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I have changed the project page to treat this as an ongoing tracking list of JE articles, rather than a missing articles list.
Essentially JE topics, once they have articles encompassing the JE material, should therefore not be deleted ("pruned") from the list; but, rather, should be retained on the list as blue-links (though marked as passing quality control).
My motivations for this change are twofold: first, that the effort going into annotating the JE articles list are useful in their own right, and should be preserved for others, rather than deleted once we have the material. (I also find it makes it a lot easier to browse the JE than any index on the JE site). Secondly, that it is useful to preserve a tracking list as to how we are using JE content, rather than simply declaring that it has been satisfactorily assimilated. IMO, the 1911 verification project gives a good example as to how this can subsequently be useful -- the 1911 project deleted its working indexes as it went along; and that has made now verifying how well the 1911 material is being used rather harder than it should be.
If we're not going to remove items from the list any more, that means we instead need a system to mark up how material is being used. Beyond the obvious redlinks, the following annotations seem useful to me, to go before in bold before the JE link. But please treat these as just opening suggestions, to be discussed and refined:
This is just some preliminary thinking; let's consider and improve now, before full-on triage gets too far underway.
Because the intention should now be to keep an entry on the list for every JE topic heading, I have reformatted them into pages of 500 by the original count, moving some entries back a page where necessary. I have also subdivided into sections of 100, to make editing easier. Although there could be a case for making the subsections smaller, I liked dividing the articles into centuries, because this should allow creation of summary statistics totalling articles with coverage, articles marked JE, and articles marked S, on the same scale as percentages for the project as a whole. 100 is quite large, but I hope not too large that people will think it too big a block of articles to take on and tackle.
I have also now gone through the whole topic list, and done my best to clean-up the list for issues like capitalisation, and the upper-casing/lower-casing of characters with diacritics (which was previously a bit odd).
Something which remains to do is to add back list-entries (presumably to be marked S) for topics which have previously been signed off and removed. Unfortunately, though, a clean unedited topic list doesn't seem to be available in the page history for all pages. (Update: done, give or take a few single exceptions)
Other things that I hope to do.
With luck, some or all of this should be supportable with scripts.
(Plus, of course, continuing to bear down on red links.)
All this will, I hope, make the "JE topics" pages more useful as a resource, and also more accessible to bring up to speed. I hope, therefore, it is acceptable. Jheald ( talk) 21:37, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I strongly disagree that the advice given here is valid ; the scholarship is outdated, and the point of view is old-fashioned. Almost all topics have received substantial work since, and can be found in the Encyclopedia Judaica, and other more modern sources. There are new aspects to many topics, and reinterpretation of older ones It is much more appropriate to use Encyclopedia Judaica -- in the second edition of 2006-7. It is not free, but all academic libraries have it, and most medium sized public libraries also. I would only use the old JE d cautiously to supplement modern sources, to indicate the view that was taken by the writers of a particular article at the time it was written. It is no longer a RS, certainly not for interpretation, or views about importance or significance. The best use for it, I think, is a guide to what topics need to be covered.
I think it would be fair to challenge the sourcing of any article based only on this, as equally for any article based only on the old EB. DGG ( talk ) 21:31, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
“ | For events prior to 1900, it is considered to offer a level of scholarship superior to either of the more recent Jewish Encyclopedias written in English | ” |
— [1] |
“ | Although published in the early 1900s, this was a work highly regarded for its scholarship. Much of the material is still of value to researchers in Jewish History | ” |
— [2] |
If this is a Project, why the prefix? People will think this is something official. Am I missing something? Mzk1 ( talk) 21:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
The project appears to assume that every JE article should have a corresponding WP article, but some seem low on notability for WP. For example, JE has an article for each of 12 Palestinian Amoraim named "Yizhaq," all of whom are red links. JE also has dozens and dozens of 19th-century personalities that have little content and are red links on WP. Is JE coverage enough for WP:NOTE? — Rafi 01:45, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
Please see The Arizal was a Palestinian with various disscussions at User talk:Chesdovi, User talk:Debresser (with next 8 talkback sections), User talk:Supreme Deliciousness, Assesing regional identity. Chesdovi ( talk) 15:02, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
I have altered {{ Jewish Encyclopedia}} to take far more parameters the most significant of which is "wstitle=" which will link to an Jewish Encyclopedia on Wikisource: see Wikisource:Jewish Encyclopedia. There are two other templates:
Both {{ Cite Jewish Encyclopedia}} and {{ Jewish Encyclopedia}} take the same parameters with one or two exceptions:
{{ Jewish Encyclopedia}} is a wrapper around {{ Cite Jewish Encyclopedia}} which is a wrapper around {{ Cite encyclopedia}}, so have the same layout as {{ Cite encyclopedia}} with {{ Jewish Encyclopedia}} having a leading attribution string. Not all of the parameters used in {{ Cite encyclopedia}} but most of the common ones are. It is easy to add any of the additional {{ Cite encyclopedia}} parameters if they are needed.
I would like to add some more pre-filled in parameters, but do not know what values they should have. It would be nice to include the publisher, and based on the volume number, the date of publication of a specific volume. -- PBS ( talk) 03:24, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
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The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | |
Helped contribute to 1791 articles so far. The Jewish Encyclopedia definitely deserves this. Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 12:05, 27 September 2012 (UTC) |
Hi to everybody who sees this, we really need your help! Please help creating all the red-shaded terms... Thanks! click here Shalom11111 ( talk) 04:16, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
First, thanks for all your hard work!
And now... What are you? Looking at the project page (not this talk page, which has many categories as opposed to just the one), I couldn't figure out if you are:
Eep! I've got to go reboot my browser. I have yet to verify the above wikilinks and finish my thoughts, so please consider this a rough draft if you reply before I get back! Thanks, -- Geekdiva ( talk) 05:56, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
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