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A draft for the new IEP is up at meta. Since the current design excludes communication with en.wiki, I thought you all should be informed of its existence. Danger High voltage! 00:52, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
From User:Jaobar, a Visiting Assistant Professor in the Department of Telecommunication, Information Studies, and Media at Michigan State University
No doubt well meaning, but how are the students going to react if they find they don't become admins at the end? Or even worse, if they're thrown to the wolves of RfA?! Andy Dingley ( talk) 19:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
There is some really interesting research work to be done here, about how people become admins, and how the process varies over time and between interest areas (and in fact, when I agreed to be interviewed for this class, that was what I thought it was about), but I think that would be best done when disconnected from "...and then we'll make you an admin, too!" Quite possibly it's too late now to change the course syllabus so substantially, though, and as long as Jaobar is prepared to stay engaged, really engaged, with both Wikipedia and his students and is truthful with them about the likelihood of the class actually resulting in adminship (and is willing to modify the syllabus on a dime if the current plan becomes clearly unworkable, intolerable to the community, or detrimental to the students), I'm willing to wait and watch with the hope that this will work out. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! ( talk) 20:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Please discuss this at Wikipedia_talk:United_States_Education_Program -- it is not remotely related to the India Education Program, and the U.S. program participants will not be following a discussion that happens on the India program talk page. -- LiAnna Davis (WMF) ( talk) 21:35, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm really pleased to announce that Rob Schnautz has joined the Wikipedia Education Program team as an online communications contractor. Rob has been editing Wikipedia as User:Bob the Wikipedian since 2006, and he self-identifies as a WikiDragon, working mostly with the Tree of Life WikiProject. He also helped develop the automatic taxobox system. In 2011, he became the Regional Ambassador for part of the Midwest, and he joins the team now to serve as a liaison between the existing English Wikipedia editing community and the Education Program team.
This means I'll be less active on talk pages and IRC and return to a traditional communications role (writing blog posts, outreach to news media, etc.). Rob will now be the program's primary point of contact on-wiki; if you have questions, feel free to reach out to him either on program talk pages like this one or on his talk page. Welcome, Rob! -- LiAnna Davis (WMF) ( talk) 22:32, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey Everyone,
The context for this note is the Wikipedia Education Program that is currently running in a number of countries. A pilot was run in India in 2011 - which failed for a number of reasons. We have been studying the India pilot, WEP experiences in other countries and reflecting on the movement context in India. I have put together a summary of lessons and suggestions here and here.
We propose a new pilot on education in India.
Why India?
The main aim for WMF's India Program is clear from the following
There are many strong reasons to increase participation from India - and that is India Program's primary objective.
Why Students?
Why an Education Program?
Where such programs have run well, such as WEP in the US, analysis has shown that:
Our next step?
After studying this in detail and after several discussions with community members (from different languages), we've approached the Simple Wikipedia Community to see if they'd like to support the India Education Program. There are many reasons for this:
We've already spoken with some of the admins, sysops and bureaucrats on Simple Wikipedia. We've also initiated discussions about this project with the Simple Wikipedia Community on Simple Talk today. If you're interested you can follow the Simple Wikipedia community's discussion here. Please add any comments you have below, unless it is something specifically useful to the Simple English community.
Thanks Nitika.t ( talk) 10:06, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi IEP,
I am not going to comment on the known issues of IEP which is well documented. Should Simple Wikipedia accept this program is completely within their autonomy and only the true Simple Wikipedia community can decide on it.
However, I don't understand the involvement of "India programs" in developing "Simple Wikipedia". "India Programs" which is a part of "Global south strategy" is expected to increase the reach of Wikimedia projects in India. However, I have never seen Simple Wikipedia coming up in search results or anyone using it from India. (Please let me know the visitor stats for the project from India if this could be considered an Indian language Wikipedia.) It has around 15.2 M page views per month "globally". To put it in context, Hindi Wikipedia has 6.2 M page views per month. So, what is the point of spending resources in the name of India programs? Which Indian or global south citizen is this program going to benefit? Who actually are using Simple Wikipedia? Just because Indian students are involved doesn't make it fit to be seen as a "India program". I just see it as outsourcing ;)
If English Wikipedia's high standards pose a barrier for students, then the program can be tried in non-Wikimedia projects like Wiktionary / Wikibooks / Wikisource or in a welcoming Indic language project. If language is a barrier, then students of language studies and humanities can be involved. I would like to reiterate the point many others have mentioned here that writing in simple English may need better mastery of English. One hope for this program as I understand is expecting the students to migrate to other Wikimedia projects. Unless we have solid data on this conversion we can't comment on this. Another hope is that the content may be used by other Wikipedias which I think is very unlikely. Based on my experience as a Tamil Wikipedian, we either refer English Wikipedia or relevant local language Wikipedia for better content. Never have we refered Simple Wikipedia for anything.
Even if we drop the India tag and assume that this program is run by WMF directly, considering the cost (at least two staff involved for months, other logistic costs for organizing) the program will have more ROI if done in any other Wikipedia project which has a better reach. Say, Chinese or Arabic :)-- Ravishankar ( talk) 07:36, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
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India Education Program page. |
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A draft for the new IEP is up at meta. Since the current design excludes communication with en.wiki, I thought you all should be informed of its existence. Danger High voltage! 00:52, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
From User:Jaobar, a Visiting Assistant Professor in the Department of Telecommunication, Information Studies, and Media at Michigan State University
No doubt well meaning, but how are the students going to react if they find they don't become admins at the end? Or even worse, if they're thrown to the wolves of RfA?! Andy Dingley ( talk) 19:40, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
There is some really interesting research work to be done here, about how people become admins, and how the process varies over time and between interest areas (and in fact, when I agreed to be interviewed for this class, that was what I thought it was about), but I think that would be best done when disconnected from "...and then we'll make you an admin, too!" Quite possibly it's too late now to change the course syllabus so substantially, though, and as long as Jaobar is prepared to stay engaged, really engaged, with both Wikipedia and his students and is truthful with them about the likelihood of the class actually resulting in adminship (and is willing to modify the syllabus on a dime if the current plan becomes clearly unworkable, intolerable to the community, or detrimental to the students), I'm willing to wait and watch with the hope that this will work out. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! ( talk) 20:07, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
Please discuss this at Wikipedia_talk:United_States_Education_Program -- it is not remotely related to the India Education Program, and the U.S. program participants will not be following a discussion that happens on the India program talk page. -- LiAnna Davis (WMF) ( talk) 21:35, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm really pleased to announce that Rob Schnautz has joined the Wikipedia Education Program team as an online communications contractor. Rob has been editing Wikipedia as User:Bob the Wikipedian since 2006, and he self-identifies as a WikiDragon, working mostly with the Tree of Life WikiProject. He also helped develop the automatic taxobox system. In 2011, he became the Regional Ambassador for part of the Midwest, and he joins the team now to serve as a liaison between the existing English Wikipedia editing community and the Education Program team.
This means I'll be less active on talk pages and IRC and return to a traditional communications role (writing blog posts, outreach to news media, etc.). Rob will now be the program's primary point of contact on-wiki; if you have questions, feel free to reach out to him either on program talk pages like this one or on his talk page. Welcome, Rob! -- LiAnna Davis (WMF) ( talk) 22:32, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey Everyone,
The context for this note is the Wikipedia Education Program that is currently running in a number of countries. A pilot was run in India in 2011 - which failed for a number of reasons. We have been studying the India pilot, WEP experiences in other countries and reflecting on the movement context in India. I have put together a summary of lessons and suggestions here and here.
We propose a new pilot on education in India.
Why India?
The main aim for WMF's India Program is clear from the following
There are many strong reasons to increase participation from India - and that is India Program's primary objective.
Why Students?
Why an Education Program?
Where such programs have run well, such as WEP in the US, analysis has shown that:
Our next step?
After studying this in detail and after several discussions with community members (from different languages), we've approached the Simple Wikipedia Community to see if they'd like to support the India Education Program. There are many reasons for this:
We've already spoken with some of the admins, sysops and bureaucrats on Simple Wikipedia. We've also initiated discussions about this project with the Simple Wikipedia Community on Simple Talk today. If you're interested you can follow the Simple Wikipedia community's discussion here. Please add any comments you have below, unless it is something specifically useful to the Simple English community.
Thanks Nitika.t ( talk) 10:06, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi IEP,
I am not going to comment on the known issues of IEP which is well documented. Should Simple Wikipedia accept this program is completely within their autonomy and only the true Simple Wikipedia community can decide on it.
However, I don't understand the involvement of "India programs" in developing "Simple Wikipedia". "India Programs" which is a part of "Global south strategy" is expected to increase the reach of Wikimedia projects in India. However, I have never seen Simple Wikipedia coming up in search results or anyone using it from India. (Please let me know the visitor stats for the project from India if this could be considered an Indian language Wikipedia.) It has around 15.2 M page views per month "globally". To put it in context, Hindi Wikipedia has 6.2 M page views per month. So, what is the point of spending resources in the name of India programs? Which Indian or global south citizen is this program going to benefit? Who actually are using Simple Wikipedia? Just because Indian students are involved doesn't make it fit to be seen as a "India program". I just see it as outsourcing ;)
If English Wikipedia's high standards pose a barrier for students, then the program can be tried in non-Wikimedia projects like Wiktionary / Wikibooks / Wikisource or in a welcoming Indic language project. If language is a barrier, then students of language studies and humanities can be involved. I would like to reiterate the point many others have mentioned here that writing in simple English may need better mastery of English. One hope for this program as I understand is expecting the students to migrate to other Wikimedia projects. Unless we have solid data on this conversion we can't comment on this. Another hope is that the content may be used by other Wikipedias which I think is very unlikely. Based on my experience as a Tamil Wikipedian, we either refer English Wikipedia or relevant local language Wikipedia for better content. Never have we refered Simple Wikipedia for anything.
Even if we drop the India tag and assume that this program is run by WMF directly, considering the cost (at least two staff involved for months, other logistic costs for organizing) the program will have more ROI if done in any other Wikipedia project which has a better reach. Say, Chinese or Arabic :)-- Ravishankar ( talk) 07:36, 21 June 2012 (UTC)