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If I click "+" to add a category, then hit it again to get a second text field, then fill in both text fields and hit "OK" for both, it still isn't saved. To save my edit I must hit a third button, the "save" button, located at the top of the list of cats and thus easy to miss. If I fail to hit the third button, I can close the tab without getting a pop-up warning me of unsaved changes. This caused me to lose a bunch of edits before I noticed. Can anyone think of a better user interface design? HLHJ ( talk) 23:04, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
- @ HLHJ: are you talking about hot cat? -- DannyS712 ( talk) 23:42, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
— Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Archive 18#Bug or feature?
Yes, I was talking about Hotcat. Sorry, DannyS712, for not seeing your reply before it was archived, and for filing an ambiguous bug report. I am re-filing it more appropriately. HLHJ ( talk) 23:20, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
When adding categories to a page, HotCat tries to remove {{
nocat}} (a shortcut for {{
Uncategorized}} ) with or without parameters from the page. This sometimes breaks popular userbox parameter |nocat={{{nocat|}}}
, which is passed to
Template:Userbox. See
Special:Diff/900767578. —
andrybak (
talk)
14:56, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi. Would it be possible for HotCat to remove some Unicode control characters at the end of the category names? (see for examples, some fixes my bot is doing after HotCat has added some categories). -- NicoV ( Talk on frwiki) 19:43, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
The first time, it gives a warning there is no edit summary. The second time, it saves through the warning. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 19:16, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
I see the documentation says this tool can make multiple category changes in the same edit, yet I still see sequences like this everywhere I look. Is this functionality is too well-hidden or too difficult to use? Could it be made more conspicuous and/or easier? (FYI: I don't use "HotCat" and have only followed the link in the above edit summaries). ― cobaltcigs 06:37, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
This tripped me up. I thought I had removed sortkeys from a bunch of categories, but it turned out I hadn't actually performed any edits at all. I eventually found this note in the docs: Note that, to remove an existing sortkey, you should change "Foo|Key" to "Foo|". Changing it to "Foo" has no effect.
I also found
this earlier discussion, where it was described as "not a bug", but with no further explanation given.
This seems really counterintuitive to me. If a user goes to edit a category, explicitly deletes the pipe and everything after it, and then hits the save button, that seems like a pretty clear indication of an intent to remove the sortkey from that category, no? It's especially confusing because, from the point of view of the UI, it looks like this causes an edit to be performed. The category briefly turns orange, then the page refreshes. The user will only realize that something went wrong if they double-check the page's history and see that no edit was made (or if they check the category and see that the page is still listed at the old sort key - though they might just think it's a caching thing).
Is there a reason not to interpret this user behaviour as an intention to remove a sort key? If so, is there some way the tool could at least visually indicate to the user that their "change" was actually a no-op? Colin M ( talk) 16:34, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
FYI, the loader type at MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js was updated, if anyone has any issues with hotcat please ping me. — xaosflux Talk 19:29, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
I have used HOTCAT for years but now I am not able to use it. I turned-off and turned-on this tool in my Preferences but I still cannot use it. Do you know what may be the problem? -- LoЯd ۞pεth 19:53, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Tried to add categories to one article today and noticed that HotCat was not running. Turned it off and on and it did not help. Anything else I could do to force it run? Tested on Mozilla Firefox. Zeeshka ( talk) 18:52, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
I have HotCat enabled, but I really don't use it because HotCat does not have support for the category sidebars. Can that be added to HotCat so I have a vertical something in the sidebar where I can add or remove categories? A a s i m 15:45, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Please see the discussion at
Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) § Bug in HotCat. —
andrybak (
talk)
15:49, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
I know you're not supposed to add non-mainspace pages to categories, but I often do anyway when I'm working on drafts and/or userspace pages that are destined for mainspace. Is there some way to get HotCat to automatically detect when I'm doing that and add the obligatory ":" to the front so I don't annoy the catalog police? -- RoySmith (talk) 19:28, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
I recently found a formatting error in categories apparently added by HotCat (please see the talk page of
Infante Dom Henrique Bridge). Since I don't use HotCat, I can't reproduce it, which is a prerequisite for submitting a bug report. Can someone who uses HotCat please confirm and submit a bug report if one is called for?
Rsbrux (
talk)
13:10, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
P.S. HotCat is evidently not at fault; please see remark by
Andrybak on the talk page of
Infante Dom Henrique Bridge.
Rsbrux (
talk)
11:13, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
It seems that HotCat has not been updated to use extra length in edit summaries which was added in (I think) 2018 or 2019.
So it unnecessarily sumarises changes which could be described in full, e.g. [1].
I am sure that this would be a trivial matter to fix. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:04, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Is it possible to modify HotCat to include stub tagging, or is this a perennial proposition which you are not interested in taking on? -- Orange Mike | Talk 17:28, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
I've been using HotCat a lot today, and it fails about 1 in 10 times. It'll reload the page, but the "your edit was saved" checkmark doesn't appear, and the edit doesn't go through. Trying again using the exact same process will generally work. This is a pretty glaring issue, since it gives no clear indication of failure, so many editors may assume it was saved. Is this a known issue and is it being addressed? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 22:21, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
If I use the Save button to see changes in a edit window, HotCat fills-in an edit summary. But when saving (if you have the preference set), you get the "did not leave edit summary" warning message. This does not happen with other tools. Is this intentional or can it be changed? MB 03:38, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
Any ideas on why HotCat can add categories inside the {{ Draft categories}} template, keeping them unlisted in certain instances, but not others?
I did notice that the unsuccessful ones had some draft categories added to them. Perhaps that affects the logic? If so, filtering out subcats of Category:Draft articles may be needed. For reference, the AFCH script did something similar discussed here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/2021 1#Helper script bug. Not sure if it's relevant, but wanted to point it out. - 2pou ( talk) 19:53, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
With Monobook skin and HotCat enabled, the display of Category:Cinema of the San Francisco Bay Area at the bottom of its member articles is out of alignment, causing an empty line in the category listing. The shortest article in the category is probably San Francisco 2.0. The issue goes away by disabling HotCat or switching to Vector. — Kusma ( t· c) 12:35, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
HotCat removed a {{ merge to}} tag when it removed the {{ uncategorized}} tag in this edit to Causal map. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 19:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
I work on Wikipedia with a mobile device so does it work with phone? TheGs2007 ( talk) 21:05, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
I've recently started seeing HotCat putting double links at the bottoms of pages. I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's related to mw:Talk:Talk pages project/Replying#Repeated page-load events in Source mode. I use the "reply" link and when I save my new content, the Hot Cat links get re-inserted. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:37, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
wikipage.content
hook, which causes that problem; instead it uses the postEdit
hook. The problem here is that it assumes that when the postEdit
hook is fired, the list of categories has been re-rendered without the HotCat buttons, and adds its buttons again; but DiscussionTools does not re-render that list, so the buttons are still there, and this duplicates them.wikipage.categories
hook that it could be using instead, which would avoid this problem, but it is also fired during editing (e.g. live preview or visual editor), and setting up HotCat in that scenario is probably undesirable.A refresh of the page of course fixes things. The folks at the Visual Editor do not think it is an error in their code. Shyamal ( talk) 16:49, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
On redirect pages, when I try to add or modify a category, the top suggestion gets tucked behind the edit source and view history tabs, and is all or mostly invisible. For example at List of presidents of the People's Chamber (German Democratic Republic), select the + to add a category and start typing something in the field and you can't see the top suggestion. It's also blocked by the add-to-watchlist star.
It may have been like this for a while, but I just noticed it today. Should I also bring this up at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) as a possible Wikipedia:ITSTHURSDAY bug? -- DB1729 ( talk) 17:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
I'm not having luck with HotCat right now so I'm posting a message here. I'm just adding and removing categories manually but I was wondering if there was a problem. Liz Read! Talk! 18:52, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
On all articles, HotCat suddenly looks like the above for me. Is anyone else seeing this? I've tried restarting my browser, to no effect. Does anyone know the cause, and how to fix it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:25, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I'm having a weird issue I can't find any information about. When I use hotcat, I am systematically directed to an edit window to confirm and publish my edits. What I would like is for the changes to be immediate, without having to go through the edit window. However, when I read the documentation, it seems like auto saving is supposed to be the default? Is there any reasons why it isn't default for me, and am I the only one with this issue? JBchrch talk 15:05, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
As a programmer and user of the version control system Git, I prefer to write all my edit summaries in the imperative mood (e.g Reorganize article sections, not Reorganized article sections). How can I make HotCat do the same? I'd like to know how to do this both on Wikimedia wikis and third-party wikis. A diehard editor ( talk | edits) 18:06, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Either show container categories in a different color OR don't suggest them in the search box. - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 03:10, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
If a user enters (e.g. by pasting from the clipboard) [[Category:Foobar]]
, HotCat should understand this as intended to be Foobar
(as it does when the user enters Category:Foobar
).
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
15:13, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
See here: Per MOS:ORDER, categories go above stub templates. HotCat put the category below the stub template. Steel1943 ( talk) 20:12, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
I have often found that HotCat randomly fails when making single quick changes. However, I have just found that it consistently fails to commit a change that involves removing a blank sortkey. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 01:14, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Lupo @ Dschwen @ TheDJ @ Superm401Sock @ Merlissimo There appears to be a bug in HotCat which causes problems when used immediately after editing a page with the VisualEditor. Could one of you please take a look at T289703 and comment there. Alternatively if you can point me to a different bug tracker you're using I'll be happy to transfer to that. Thanks. RoySmith (talk) 17:55, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
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If I click "+" to add a category, then hit it again to get a second text field, then fill in both text fields and hit "OK" for both, it still isn't saved. To save my edit I must hit a third button, the "save" button, located at the top of the list of cats and thus easy to miss. If I fail to hit the third button, I can close the tab without getting a pop-up warning me of unsaved changes. This caused me to lose a bunch of edits before I noticed. Can anyone think of a better user interface design? HLHJ ( talk) 23:04, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
- @ HLHJ: are you talking about hot cat? -- DannyS712 ( talk) 23:42, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
— Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Archive 18#Bug or feature?
Yes, I was talking about Hotcat. Sorry, DannyS712, for not seeing your reply before it was archived, and for filing an ambiguous bug report. I am re-filing it more appropriately. HLHJ ( talk) 23:20, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
When adding categories to a page, HotCat tries to remove {{
nocat}} (a shortcut for {{
Uncategorized}} ) with or without parameters from the page. This sometimes breaks popular userbox parameter |nocat={{{nocat|}}}
, which is passed to
Template:Userbox. See
Special:Diff/900767578. —
andrybak (
talk)
14:56, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Hi. Would it be possible for HotCat to remove some Unicode control characters at the end of the category names? (see for examples, some fixes my bot is doing after HotCat has added some categories). -- NicoV ( Talk on frwiki) 19:43, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
The first time, it gives a warning there is no edit summary. The second time, it saves through the warning. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 19:16, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
I see the documentation says this tool can make multiple category changes in the same edit, yet I still see sequences like this everywhere I look. Is this functionality is too well-hidden or too difficult to use? Could it be made more conspicuous and/or easier? (FYI: I don't use "HotCat" and have only followed the link in the above edit summaries). ― cobaltcigs 06:37, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
This tripped me up. I thought I had removed sortkeys from a bunch of categories, but it turned out I hadn't actually performed any edits at all. I eventually found this note in the docs: Note that, to remove an existing sortkey, you should change "Foo|Key" to "Foo|". Changing it to "Foo" has no effect.
I also found
this earlier discussion, where it was described as "not a bug", but with no further explanation given.
This seems really counterintuitive to me. If a user goes to edit a category, explicitly deletes the pipe and everything after it, and then hits the save button, that seems like a pretty clear indication of an intent to remove the sortkey from that category, no? It's especially confusing because, from the point of view of the UI, it looks like this causes an edit to be performed. The category briefly turns orange, then the page refreshes. The user will only realize that something went wrong if they double-check the page's history and see that no edit was made (or if they check the category and see that the page is still listed at the old sort key - though they might just think it's a caching thing).
Is there a reason not to interpret this user behaviour as an intention to remove a sort key? If so, is there some way the tool could at least visually indicate to the user that their "change" was actually a no-op? Colin M ( talk) 16:34, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
FYI, the loader type at MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat.js was updated, if anyone has any issues with hotcat please ping me. — xaosflux Talk 19:29, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
I have used HOTCAT for years but now I am not able to use it. I turned-off and turned-on this tool in my Preferences but I still cannot use it. Do you know what may be the problem? -- LoЯd ۞pεth 19:53, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Tried to add categories to one article today and noticed that HotCat was not running. Turned it off and on and it did not help. Anything else I could do to force it run? Tested on Mozilla Firefox. Zeeshka ( talk) 18:52, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
I have HotCat enabled, but I really don't use it because HotCat does not have support for the category sidebars. Can that be added to HotCat so I have a vertical something in the sidebar where I can add or remove categories? A a s i m 15:45, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Please see the discussion at
Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) § Bug in HotCat. —
andrybak (
talk)
15:49, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
I know you're not supposed to add non-mainspace pages to categories, but I often do anyway when I'm working on drafts and/or userspace pages that are destined for mainspace. Is there some way to get HotCat to automatically detect when I'm doing that and add the obligatory ":" to the front so I don't annoy the catalog police? -- RoySmith (talk) 19:28, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
I recently found a formatting error in categories apparently added by HotCat (please see the talk page of
Infante Dom Henrique Bridge). Since I don't use HotCat, I can't reproduce it, which is a prerequisite for submitting a bug report. Can someone who uses HotCat please confirm and submit a bug report if one is called for?
Rsbrux (
talk)
13:10, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
P.S. HotCat is evidently not at fault; please see remark by
Andrybak on the talk page of
Infante Dom Henrique Bridge.
Rsbrux (
talk)
11:13, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
It seems that HotCat has not been updated to use extra length in edit summaries which was added in (I think) 2018 or 2019.
So it unnecessarily sumarises changes which could be described in full, e.g. [1].
I am sure that this would be a trivial matter to fix. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:04, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Is it possible to modify HotCat to include stub tagging, or is this a perennial proposition which you are not interested in taking on? -- Orange Mike | Talk 17:28, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
I've been using HotCat a lot today, and it fails about 1 in 10 times. It'll reload the page, but the "your edit was saved" checkmark doesn't appear, and the edit doesn't go through. Trying again using the exact same process will generally work. This is a pretty glaring issue, since it gives no clear indication of failure, so many editors may assume it was saved. Is this a known issue and is it being addressed? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 22:21, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
If I use the Save button to see changes in a edit window, HotCat fills-in an edit summary. But when saving (if you have the preference set), you get the "did not leave edit summary" warning message. This does not happen with other tools. Is this intentional or can it be changed? MB 03:38, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
Any ideas on why HotCat can add categories inside the {{ Draft categories}} template, keeping them unlisted in certain instances, but not others?
I did notice that the unsuccessful ones had some draft categories added to them. Perhaps that affects the logic? If so, filtering out subcats of Category:Draft articles may be needed. For reference, the AFCH script did something similar discussed here: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/2021 1#Helper script bug. Not sure if it's relevant, but wanted to point it out. - 2pou ( talk) 19:53, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
With Monobook skin and HotCat enabled, the display of Category:Cinema of the San Francisco Bay Area at the bottom of its member articles is out of alignment, causing an empty line in the category listing. The shortest article in the category is probably San Francisco 2.0. The issue goes away by disabling HotCat or switching to Vector. — Kusma ( t· c) 12:35, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
HotCat removed a {{ merge to}} tag when it removed the {{ uncategorized}} tag in this edit to Causal map. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 19:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
I work on Wikipedia with a mobile device so does it work with phone? TheGs2007 ( talk) 21:05, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
I've recently started seeing HotCat putting double links at the bottoms of pages. I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's related to mw:Talk:Talk pages project/Replying#Repeated page-load events in Source mode. I use the "reply" link and when I save my new content, the Hot Cat links get re-inserted. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:37, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
wikipage.content
hook, which causes that problem; instead it uses the postEdit
hook. The problem here is that it assumes that when the postEdit
hook is fired, the list of categories has been re-rendered without the HotCat buttons, and adds its buttons again; but DiscussionTools does not re-render that list, so the buttons are still there, and this duplicates them.wikipage.categories
hook that it could be using instead, which would avoid this problem, but it is also fired during editing (e.g. live preview or visual editor), and setting up HotCat in that scenario is probably undesirable.A refresh of the page of course fixes things. The folks at the Visual Editor do not think it is an error in their code. Shyamal ( talk) 16:49, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
On redirect pages, when I try to add or modify a category, the top suggestion gets tucked behind the edit source and view history tabs, and is all or mostly invisible. For example at List of presidents of the People's Chamber (German Democratic Republic), select the + to add a category and start typing something in the field and you can't see the top suggestion. It's also blocked by the add-to-watchlist star.
It may have been like this for a while, but I just noticed it today. Should I also bring this up at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) as a possible Wikipedia:ITSTHURSDAY bug? -- DB1729 ( talk) 17:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
I'm not having luck with HotCat right now so I'm posting a message here. I'm just adding and removing categories manually but I was wondering if there was a problem. Liz Read! Talk! 18:52, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
On all articles, HotCat suddenly looks like the above for me. Is anyone else seeing this? I've tried restarting my browser, to no effect. Does anyone know the cause, and how to fix it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:25, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I'm having a weird issue I can't find any information about. When I use hotcat, I am systematically directed to an edit window to confirm and publish my edits. What I would like is for the changes to be immediate, without having to go through the edit window. However, when I read the documentation, it seems like auto saving is supposed to be the default? Is there any reasons why it isn't default for me, and am I the only one with this issue? JBchrch talk 15:05, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
As a programmer and user of the version control system Git, I prefer to write all my edit summaries in the imperative mood (e.g Reorganize article sections, not Reorganized article sections). How can I make HotCat do the same? I'd like to know how to do this both on Wikimedia wikis and third-party wikis. A diehard editor ( talk | edits) 18:06, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Either show container categories in a different color OR don't suggest them in the search box. - MPGuy2824 ( talk) 03:10, 6 November 2022 (UTC)
If a user enters (e.g. by pasting from the clipboard) [[Category:Foobar]]
, HotCat should understand this as intended to be Foobar
(as it does when the user enters Category:Foobar
).
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits
15:13, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
See here: Per MOS:ORDER, categories go above stub templates. HotCat put the category below the stub template. Steel1943 ( talk) 20:12, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
I have often found that HotCat randomly fails when making single quick changes. However, I have just found that it consistently fails to commit a change that involves removing a blank sortkey. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 01:14, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
@ Lupo @ Dschwen @ TheDJ @ Superm401Sock @ Merlissimo There appears to be a bug in HotCat which causes problems when used immediately after editing a page with the VisualEditor. Could one of you please take a look at T289703 and comment there. Alternatively if you can point me to a different bug tracker you're using I'll be happy to transfer to that. Thanks. RoySmith (talk) 17:55, 2 November 2023 (UTC)