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Should we have a criteria about what the main article is and how it relates to the other articles? -- Arctic Gnome 15:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Done
Should criteria #1 be expanded to say that the grouping should not arbitrarily exclude items? I'm thinking that we want to stop any very specific topic groupings that weasel their way around making a gap. -- Arctic Gnome ( talk • contribs) 01:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Done
In the event of artistic works being nominated for Featured Topic status, should the creator of that work also be included in the topic? Examples of this could include The Beatles if Sgt. Pepper's were nominated, Douglas Adams if Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy were nominated or Michelangelo if Sistine Chapel ceiling were nominated.
The principal pro arguments being:
The principal con arguments being:
A further point is raised as to what happens when several artistic works (such as multiple albums by the same band) are Featured Topics - would the band's article need be in each Featured Topic set? This question grew out of a debate at the discussion of the candidacy for Gewn Stefani's Album "Love.Angel.Music.Baby" here. Witty lama 04:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Done
Could we discuss the addition to the "recommended" section....
That the Lead article should be an FA. The smaller the featured set, the more strongly the recommendation be imposed.
In cases where there is a larger number of articles in the set then this is not so important, but the smaller the set the more important it is that at least the Lead article is a FA. An example would be Saffron series which only includes 3 articles - this would not have passed if the lead was not a FA. On the other extreme is the Canadian Election Timeline series which probably would have passed even if the lead was not an FA. Witty lama 19:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Done
why "topic" is limited to "collection of articles" (including lists)? what about pictures, portals and sounds which also "represents Wikipedia's best work in covering a given subject"? Amit il 14:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Done
I suggest we establish a perfunctory review process, per the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Featured_topics#Suggestion_to_get_all_articles_to_GA_status. This would involve setting a deadline of January 2008 for the bringing of all the legacy FTs up to full compliance with criteria, as well as the automatic delisting of an FT after one quarter-year due to no longer meeting criteria in all its articles (leaving sufficient leeway to bring such articles back up to status). I think we should include a line in the criteria formalizing this as our practice.-- Pharos 04:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Done
I suggest we take all mention of the 'A' class out of the criteria. The reason is, that this essentially duplicates GA class, only GA class is more universally defined. I understand 'A' class was originally included to deal with articles like List of Nunavut general elections, which by their limited subject matter cannot achieve GA or FA – but I believe this special case has now been satisfactorily dealt with by means of the "individual audit". This is not to prevent any WikiProjects from rating 'A' class articles – but it is saying that if you do that, it should be in addition to seeking a GA status. (Yes, yes, I know the two systems really should be merged, but that's quite outside the scope of this sub-project.)-- Pharos 02:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Done
This issue was first brought up at Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Love. Angel. Music. Baby., but I think this would be a better place to discuss. As it reads now, criterion 4 states that "All articles in a series are linked together, preferably using a template, and share a common category." This seems somewhat ambiguous to me, and it'd be good to clarify the meaning. What do we consider a common category? In this case, the songs are all contained in Category:Gwen Stefani songs but the main article is in Category:Gwen Stefani albums. The solution would be to create Category:Love. Angel. Music. Baby., but this would go against categorization conventions. It seems odd to state that albums and the songs on them can't be featured topics since it sounds like a legitimate topic to me, so would it be a good idea to move the common category part to the recommendations section or change "common category" to "category or supercategory"? Oh, and I'm going to shamelessly ask anyone who hasn't !voted at Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Love. Angel. Music. Baby. to please do so; it's been over a month, and there still aren't four !votes. ShadowHalo 04:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
ler|er]] 19:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to join the discussion late, but I don't think there should be any set standard for how many FA's there are. I think what should matter is if the articles cover the topic well or not. Some people prefer not to do the FA process, and so if the GA articles are FA quality without the FA star, it shouldn't matter. Hurricanehink ( talk) 19:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Done
Currently the criteria require that "several articles are of featured class", but how many is "several"? I've always understood that means at least three, but the issue has come up, and I believe it should be clarified. Is three a reasonable number?-- Pharos 03:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Done
As the Final Fantasy Titles featured topic is currently in jeopardy, I feel this would be a good time to spell out how long those parties concerned have to work on articles that have been demoted. So here it is; I propose a one month deadline, during which time the article must return to either featured article or good article nomination, or procedures can begin to defeature the article. If it fails that nomination, the removal procedure can also begin. Judgesurreal777 03:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Done
This should probably eventually be spun off into a Wikipedia:Featured article advice-type article.-- Pharos 19:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
In the light of the recent failure of Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Wild cats of the United States (although it was doomed because Canadian Lynx is not GA), I think some discussion. Is there anything to do when the topic is very well defined, but there is no possibility of having a lead article? Here the two options were Felidae or List of mammals of the United States, both of which are too wide-ranging. Another example is found on the criteria page itself: how good are the chances of a Star Trek movies or List of Star Trek movies article?
Is it any reasonable to amend the criterion to "The topic, if at all possible, has an introductory and summary lead article." ? Circeus 02:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if this has been discussed or decided already, but can we please list the Star Wars article, so that people know its not GA and so it can be more widely known and fixed? It seems like a very logical idea to me. Judgesurreal777 20:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
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Should we have a criteria about what the main article is and how it relates to the other articles? -- Arctic Gnome 15:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Done
Should criteria #1 be expanded to say that the grouping should not arbitrarily exclude items? I'm thinking that we want to stop any very specific topic groupings that weasel their way around making a gap. -- Arctic Gnome ( talk • contribs) 01:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Done
In the event of artistic works being nominated for Featured Topic status, should the creator of that work also be included in the topic? Examples of this could include The Beatles if Sgt. Pepper's were nominated, Douglas Adams if Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy were nominated or Michelangelo if Sistine Chapel ceiling were nominated.
The principal pro arguments being:
The principal con arguments being:
A further point is raised as to what happens when several artistic works (such as multiple albums by the same band) are Featured Topics - would the band's article need be in each Featured Topic set? This question grew out of a debate at the discussion of the candidacy for Gewn Stefani's Album "Love.Angel.Music.Baby" here. Witty lama 04:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Done
Could we discuss the addition to the "recommended" section....
That the Lead article should be an FA. The smaller the featured set, the more strongly the recommendation be imposed.
In cases where there is a larger number of articles in the set then this is not so important, but the smaller the set the more important it is that at least the Lead article is a FA. An example would be Saffron series which only includes 3 articles - this would not have passed if the lead was not a FA. On the other extreme is the Canadian Election Timeline series which probably would have passed even if the lead was not an FA. Witty lama 19:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
Done
why "topic" is limited to "collection of articles" (including lists)? what about pictures, portals and sounds which also "represents Wikipedia's best work in covering a given subject"? Amit il 14:16, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Done
I suggest we establish a perfunctory review process, per the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Featured_topics#Suggestion_to_get_all_articles_to_GA_status. This would involve setting a deadline of January 2008 for the bringing of all the legacy FTs up to full compliance with criteria, as well as the automatic delisting of an FT after one quarter-year due to no longer meeting criteria in all its articles (leaving sufficient leeway to bring such articles back up to status). I think we should include a line in the criteria formalizing this as our practice.-- Pharos 04:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Done
I suggest we take all mention of the 'A' class out of the criteria. The reason is, that this essentially duplicates GA class, only GA class is more universally defined. I understand 'A' class was originally included to deal with articles like List of Nunavut general elections, which by their limited subject matter cannot achieve GA or FA – but I believe this special case has now been satisfactorily dealt with by means of the "individual audit". This is not to prevent any WikiProjects from rating 'A' class articles – but it is saying that if you do that, it should be in addition to seeking a GA status. (Yes, yes, I know the two systems really should be merged, but that's quite outside the scope of this sub-project.)-- Pharos 02:26, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Done
This issue was first brought up at Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Love. Angel. Music. Baby., but I think this would be a better place to discuss. As it reads now, criterion 4 states that "All articles in a series are linked together, preferably using a template, and share a common category." This seems somewhat ambiguous to me, and it'd be good to clarify the meaning. What do we consider a common category? In this case, the songs are all contained in Category:Gwen Stefani songs but the main article is in Category:Gwen Stefani albums. The solution would be to create Category:Love. Angel. Music. Baby., but this would go against categorization conventions. It seems odd to state that albums and the songs on them can't be featured topics since it sounds like a legitimate topic to me, so would it be a good idea to move the common category part to the recommendations section or change "common category" to "category or supercategory"? Oh, and I'm going to shamelessly ask anyone who hasn't !voted at Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Love. Angel. Music. Baby. to please do so; it's been over a month, and there still aren't four !votes. ShadowHalo 04:38, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
ler|er]] 19:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to join the discussion late, but I don't think there should be any set standard for how many FA's there are. I think what should matter is if the articles cover the topic well or not. Some people prefer not to do the FA process, and so if the GA articles are FA quality without the FA star, it shouldn't matter. Hurricanehink ( talk) 19:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Done
Currently the criteria require that "several articles are of featured class", but how many is "several"? I've always understood that means at least three, but the issue has come up, and I believe it should be clarified. Is three a reasonable number?-- Pharos 03:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Done
As the Final Fantasy Titles featured topic is currently in jeopardy, I feel this would be a good time to spell out how long those parties concerned have to work on articles that have been demoted. So here it is; I propose a one month deadline, during which time the article must return to either featured article or good article nomination, or procedures can begin to defeature the article. If it fails that nomination, the removal procedure can also begin. Judgesurreal777 03:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Done
This should probably eventually be spun off into a Wikipedia:Featured article advice-type article.-- Pharos 19:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
In the light of the recent failure of Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Wild cats of the United States (although it was doomed because Canadian Lynx is not GA), I think some discussion. Is there anything to do when the topic is very well defined, but there is no possibility of having a lead article? Here the two options were Felidae or List of mammals of the United States, both of which are too wide-ranging. Another example is found on the criteria page itself: how good are the chances of a Star Trek movies or List of Star Trek movies article?
Is it any reasonable to amend the criterion to "The topic, if at all possible, has an introductory and summary lead article." ? Circeus 02:46, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if this has been discussed or decided already, but can we please list the Star Wars article, so that people know its not GA and so it can be more widely known and fixed? It seems like a very logical idea to me. Judgesurreal777 20:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC)