FAC Nominator User:Turangalila
Stats extracted on 2022-01-21, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:59, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:43, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Please set up separate sections for each nomination.
I nominate Aza24 for a Featured article save award for improvements to Josquin des Prez during its FAR that allowed it to retain its Featured status. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
I nominate Antandrus for a Featured article save award for improvements to Josquin des Prez during its FAR that allowed it to retain its Featured status. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
I nominate Kahhe for a Featured article save award for improvements to Josquin des Prez during its FAR that allowed it to retain its Featured status. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
I nominate John for a Featured article save award for improvements to Josquin des Prez during its FAR that allowed it to retain its Featured status. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
I support all the above, but reckon SandyGeorgia must also deserve for kicking off improvements to Josquin des Prez during FAR-- Smerus ( talk) 11:34, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
HarvRef errors:
Do you want to move those to Further reading, or remove them entirely? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 22:38, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
There are multiple column widths in use in the various appendices for sources, citations, and further reading, which is visually jarring. See Joan of Arc. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 22:42, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Run through to check for overuse of however and User:John/however. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 22:45, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
This punctuation seems off:
I can't tell what's what. SandyGeorgia ( Talk)
Aza24 the basic basics are in good shape, but once we get further along, we might have John examine the prose. But first, as I know nothing of music, we should have content area editors go through. I see Toccata quarta is scarcely editing; who else might go through to check the content and sourcing before we start tweaking prose? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 23:05, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
We still have one HarvRef error:
... because it's listed in Further reading, but used in citations. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 02:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
What is intended with this slash?
If it means 1962 to 1965 it should be an WP:ENDASH. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 02:41, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Ceoil work on this article has progressed to the point of fine tuning the prose; have you any interest? Pls let me know, as I will ping John in next if you don't have time. Bst, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:26, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
As a singer, Josquin's compositions are chiefly vocal, and include masses, motets and a variety of secular chansons.
His compositions are singers?
SandyGeorgia (
Talk)
00:27, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Josquin's full name is 'Josquin Lebloitte dit des Prez', a fact unknown to scholars until the late 20th century,[3] and comes from a pair of 1483 documents found in Condé-sur-l'Escaut,
his name comes from documents? Or it came from his parents and is found in documents?
SandyGeorgia (
Talk)
00:33, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Scholarly opinion differs on whether his surname should be written as one word ("Desprez") or two ("des Prez"), with publications from continental Europe preferring the former and English publications
... missing words ... the latter ?
SandyGeorgia (
Talk)
00:37, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Given a standard word polyphony, defined as "simultaneous lines of independent melody", how could it be desirable to replace it with the circumlocution " polyphonic movement between independent voices" ? The point of the sentence is the emphasis on imitative technique. Sparafucil ( talk) 23:54, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Continuing on; we can return to the lead later if needed. (I now find it understandable to the layreader.) SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:56, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
and he may have been an altar boy and have been educated at the Cambrai Cathedral, or under Ockeghem.Ambiguous: he may have been an altar boy under Ockeghem, or he may have been educated under Ockeghem ?? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:56, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Documents from Condé, where he lived for the last years of his life, refer to him as "Maistre Josse Desprez". These include a letter written by the chapter of Notre-Dame of Condé to Margaret of Austria where he is named as "Josquin Desprez".[10]In what circumstances are quotes used on names and why ? I am unclear why these are needed. Similar later at
based on a mistaken association with Jushinus de Kessalia, recorded in documents as "Judocus de Picardia".SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
which Josquin described being born beyond Noir Eauwe, meaning "Black Water"), while I can't decipher a reason for quotes on this one (
and there was a village named 'Prez' there,). Extending from the similar questions about single quotes in the lead, a standardization check might be needed.
evidence for his birthplace is a later legal document in which Josquin described being born beyond Noir Eauwe, meaning "Black Water".Also, if Noir Eauwe is a place (proper noun), it should not be italicized. Italics are used on foreign phrases unless they are proper nouns. See MOS:BADITALICS. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Here we have came into the service of cardinal Ascanio Sforza
, but earlier in the article we have in the 1480s Josquin traveled Italy with the Cardinal Ascanio Sforza
; I am not up on whether cardinal should be upper or lower case in this construct; pls check ?
SandyGeorgia (
Talk)
17:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Stopping there for now as I appear to be mightily confused on single and double quotes. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 22:12, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
but his earlier connections with Ercole and the general uncertainty of his career suggest he may have done;grammar ??? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Around three months later Josquin was chosen;SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Josquin's composed many of his most admired works in his later years.SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
On his deathbed, Josquin left an endowment for the performance of his work, Pater noster, at all general processions in the town when they passed his house, stopping to place a wafer on the marketplace altar to the Holy Virgin.Who stopped to place the wafer ? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Done, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:47, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm working backward through the sections. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 04:14, 12 October 2022 (UTC) Overall
Influence
Birth and background
"Nothing is known of Josquin's mother, who is absent from surviving documents, suggesting that she was either not considered Josquin's legitimate mother, or that she died soon after, or during, his birth."In what sense could Josquin's mother not be considered his "legitimate mother"? Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 04:47, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
FAC Nominator User:Turangalila
Stats extracted on 2022-01-21, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:59, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:43, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
Please set up separate sections for each nomination.
I nominate Aza24 for a Featured article save award for improvements to Josquin des Prez during its FAR that allowed it to retain its Featured status. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
I nominate Antandrus for a Featured article save award for improvements to Josquin des Prez during its FAR that allowed it to retain its Featured status. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
I nominate Kahhe for a Featured article save award for improvements to Josquin des Prez during its FAR that allowed it to retain its Featured status. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
I nominate John for a Featured article save award for improvements to Josquin des Prez during its FAR that allowed it to retain its Featured status. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:49, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
I support all the above, but reckon SandyGeorgia must also deserve for kicking off improvements to Josquin des Prez during FAR-- Smerus ( talk) 11:34, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
HarvRef errors:
Do you want to move those to Further reading, or remove them entirely? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 22:38, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
There are multiple column widths in use in the various appendices for sources, citations, and further reading, which is visually jarring. See Joan of Arc. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 22:42, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Run through to check for overuse of however and User:John/however. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 22:45, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
This punctuation seems off:
I can't tell what's what. SandyGeorgia ( Talk)
Aza24 the basic basics are in good shape, but once we get further along, we might have John examine the prose. But first, as I know nothing of music, we should have content area editors go through. I see Toccata quarta is scarcely editing; who else might go through to check the content and sourcing before we start tweaking prose? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 23:05, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
We still have one HarvRef error:
... because it's listed in Further reading, but used in citations. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 02:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
What is intended with this slash?
If it means 1962 to 1965 it should be an WP:ENDASH. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 02:41, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Ceoil work on this article has progressed to the point of fine tuning the prose; have you any interest? Pls let me know, as I will ping John in next if you don't have time. Bst, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:26, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
As a singer, Josquin's compositions are chiefly vocal, and include masses, motets and a variety of secular chansons.
His compositions are singers?
SandyGeorgia (
Talk)
00:27, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Josquin's full name is 'Josquin Lebloitte dit des Prez', a fact unknown to scholars until the late 20th century,[3] and comes from a pair of 1483 documents found in Condé-sur-l'Escaut,
his name comes from documents? Or it came from his parents and is found in documents?
SandyGeorgia (
Talk)
00:33, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Scholarly opinion differs on whether his surname should be written as one word ("Desprez") or two ("des Prez"), with publications from continental Europe preferring the former and English publications
... missing words ... the latter ?
SandyGeorgia (
Talk)
00:37, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Given a standard word polyphony, defined as "simultaneous lines of independent melody", how could it be desirable to replace it with the circumlocution " polyphonic movement between independent voices" ? The point of the sentence is the emphasis on imitative technique. Sparafucil ( talk) 23:54, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Continuing on; we can return to the lead later if needed. (I now find it understandable to the layreader.) SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:56, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
and he may have been an altar boy and have been educated at the Cambrai Cathedral, or under Ockeghem.Ambiguous: he may have been an altar boy under Ockeghem, or he may have been educated under Ockeghem ?? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:56, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Documents from Condé, where he lived for the last years of his life, refer to him as "Maistre Josse Desprez". These include a letter written by the chapter of Notre-Dame of Condé to Margaret of Austria where he is named as "Josquin Desprez".[10]In what circumstances are quotes used on names and why ? I am unclear why these are needed. Similar later at
based on a mistaken association with Jushinus de Kessalia, recorded in documents as "Judocus de Picardia".SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
which Josquin described being born beyond Noir Eauwe, meaning "Black Water"), while I can't decipher a reason for quotes on this one (
and there was a village named 'Prez' there,). Extending from the similar questions about single quotes in the lead, a standardization check might be needed.
evidence for his birthplace is a later legal document in which Josquin described being born beyond Noir Eauwe, meaning "Black Water".Also, if Noir Eauwe is a place (proper noun), it should not be italicized. Italics are used on foreign phrases unless they are proper nouns. See MOS:BADITALICS. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Here we have came into the service of cardinal Ascanio Sforza
, but earlier in the article we have in the 1480s Josquin traveled Italy with the Cardinal Ascanio Sforza
; I am not up on whether cardinal should be upper or lower case in this construct; pls check ?
SandyGeorgia (
Talk)
17:09, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Stopping there for now as I appear to be mightily confused on single and double quotes. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 22:12, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
but his earlier connections with Ercole and the general uncertainty of his career suggest he may have done;grammar ??? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Around three months later Josquin was chosen;SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Josquin's composed many of his most admired works in his later years.SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
On his deathbed, Josquin left an endowment for the performance of his work, Pater noster, at all general processions in the town when they passed his house, stopping to place a wafer on the marketplace altar to the Holy Virgin.Who stopped to place the wafer ? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:23, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
Done, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:47, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
I'm working backward through the sections. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 04:14, 12 October 2022 (UTC) Overall
Influence
Birth and background
"Nothing is known of Josquin's mother, who is absent from surviving documents, suggesting that she was either not considered Josquin's legitimate mother, or that she died soon after, or during, his birth."In what sense could Josquin's mother not be considered his "legitimate mother"? Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 04:47, 15 October 2022 (UTC)