There are no copying within templates on article talk, and no public domain attributions in the article, so these will need to be checked per Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/WikiProject Tropical cyclones SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 05:05, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Version before article went to FAC. The only individual article that existed when this article went to FAC was Hurricane Marty (2003).
To check
User:Nilfanion added bulk of storm info; ran Earwig comparing archive.org sources with diffs as text added on four instances, and found no problem. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 05:29, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
User:Tom added storm info on hurricanes that did not yet have articles, and I could not find any indication of copyvio. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 06:07, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Copying within Wikipedia pre-FAC
-
01:31, May 19, 2005 came from
2004 Pacific hurricane season (present on 23:06, May 15, 2005).
- Note: 01:42, May 19, 2005 edit summary: "forgot to change names"
- 01:42, May 19, 2005 came from 2004 Pacific hurricane season (present on 23:06, May 15, 2005)
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 05:29, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- The first one is fine, does not need attribution IMHO; formatting and such is common between all articles. The names are too simple for copyright even. I have fixed the second one with a null edit with attribution (I usually do cosmetic things like spaces, fixing a typo, or using convert templatees) to the article where content was pasted to, and then placed attribution templates on both talk pages.
Sennecaster (
Chat)
18:43, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- See
this for attribution, and
this for the talk page template.
Sennecaster (
Chat)
18:48, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, Sennecaster. I did this and this. Next, I will do each of the individual articles. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 00:03, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- I believe all of the Copied templates and attribution edits are now done, but we still need to check on public domain attribution here (described lower on this talk page). SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 00:30, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- See
this for attribution, and
this for the talk page template.
Sennecaster (
Chat)
18:48, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Marty's content was
added here on 19:17, August 9, 2006. Marty at that point was
this, 20:27, July 19, 2006. There is very minor copying within.
SandyGeorgia (
Talk)
06:07, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Added CWW template: [1] SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:15, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Copying within while at FAR
Last version before article came to FAR, 10:55, July 10, 2021
- The hurricane sub-articles are:
-
Tropical Storm Carlos (2003)
- Carlos expansion here, 18:09, August 15, 2021. Carlos on 00:21, August 6, 2021. Sample: "quickly strengthened, developing a well-defined eye feature in the center of the convection", some copying within, without attribution. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 06:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
-
Hurricane Ignacio (2003)
-
Ignacio expansion here, 00:55, August 16, 2021.
Ignacio on 00:18, August 6, 2021. Sample: "the latest formation of the first hurricane of a season recorded in the East Pacific since reliable satellite observation began in 1966", copying within without attribution.
- Also copying in the other direction without attribution, from this article (22:46, August 15, 2021) to Ignacio 00:32, August 16, 2021. Sample: "Due to the storm's slow movement, rainfall was high and the resulting flooding was severe,[23] and Ignacio was responsible for approximately US$21 million of damage." SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 06:41, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
-
Ignacio expansion here, 00:55, August 16, 2021.
Ignacio on 00:18, August 6, 2021. Sample: "the latest formation of the first hurricane of a season recorded in the East Pacific since reliable satellite observation began in 1966", copying within without attribution.
-
Hurricane Jimena (2003)
- Jimena expansion here, 01:13, August 16, 2021. Jimena on 20:41, June 7, 2021. Sample: "knocked down trees and damaged power lines, leaving 1,300 residents without electricity", copying within without attribution. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 06:50, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
-
Hurricane Marty (2003)
-
Marty expansion here, 03:56, August 16, 2021.
Marty on 20:45, June 7, 2021. Sample: Entire paragraph beginning with "Five people drowned after their cars were swept away by floodwaters while trying to cross a flooded stream ... ", copying within without attribution.
- Also went from here to there: 03:59, August 16, 2021. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 06:58, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
-
Marty expansion here, 03:56, August 16, 2021.
Marty on 20:45, June 7, 2021. Sample: Entire paragraph beginning with "Five people drowned after their cars were swept away by floodwaters while trying to cross a flooded stream ... ", copying within without attribution.
-
Hurricane Nora (2003)
- Nora expansion here, 04:38, August 16, 2021. Nora on 13:50, June 18, 2021. Sample: "Moisture from the remnants of Nora and Olaf interacted with an upper-level low to produce heavy rainfall across Texas, producing flooding near Waco that forced a family to evacuate in McGregor", copying within without attribution. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 07:01, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
-
Hurricane Olaf (2003)
- Olaf expansion here, 03:08, August 17, 2021. Olaf on 20:48, June 7, 2021. Don't see copying within there, could be tired eyes. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 07:05, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
-
Tropical Storm Carlos (2003)
Copied templates to check
 | Text has been copied to or from this page; see the list below. The source pages now serve to
provide attribution for the content in the destination pages and must not be deleted as long as the copies exist. For attribution and to access older versions of the copied text, please see the history links below.
|
| Text and/or other creative content from this version of 2003 Pacific hurricane season was copied or moved into Hurricane Ignacio (2003) with this edit on 00:32, August 16, 2021. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
| Text and/or other creative content from this version of 2003 Pacific hurricane season was copied or moved into Hurricane Marty (2003) with this edit on 03:59, August 16, 2021. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
- Added earlier Marty CWW: [2] SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:16, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Too-close paraphrasing
Patricia rewrite, very minor instance of too-close paraphrasing here ("westerly shear over Patricia, which caused the low-level center to become displaced") that should be corrected in the article. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 07:14, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Attributed NOAA Pd-domain: [3] SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:59, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Overall
Some instance of too-close paraphrasing or plagiarism that should be examined:
- https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=1058225791&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fjournals.ametsoc.org%2Fview%2Fjournals%2Fmwre%2F133%2F5%2Fmwr2917.1.xml
- https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=1058225791&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20060921123239if_%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wmo.int%2Fweb%2Fwww%2FTCP%2FReports%2FHC26-English.pdf
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 07:29, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Article: Later on October 24 , the system turned toward the northwest in response to a weakness in the ridge caused by the trough near the Baja California Peninsula.
- Source:
[4] Later on 24 October, Patricia turned toward the northwest in response to a weakness in the ridge caused by the trough near Baja California.
- Inserted here. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 07:59, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- From
here, public domain, but without a PD attribution tag on the source or the article.
SandyGeorgia (
Talk)
08:01, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Attributed to NOAA Pd-notice: [5] SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:54, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Earwig on the version before the article came to FAR, July 10 2021
reveals nothing major. So the problematic instances crept in during the FAR. I am too tired to look up the rest, but there is one sample above. Public domain can be attributed, but I don't know which template to add where, and we would need to go back and look at everything new (I was looking more at the original FAC). SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 08:11, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Summary
Moneytrees I would appreciate some help in wrapping this one up. If I have done all of this correctly, I feel confident to move forward on checking other cyclone/hurricane FAs.
I found copying within, both old and new, going both ways, and believe I have now added the correct templates to the suite of articles (see above).
I found some instances of public domain use (NOAA) during the FAR, and have attributed it. [6]
But I don’t know what to do with these, which I have determined happened during this FAR (see above), which is still open. If these sources are public domain, I need to know how I determine that so I can attribute. If they are not public domain, we have a bigger problem, as these are recent introductions:
- https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=1058225791&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fjournals.ametsoc.org%2Fview%2Fjournals%2Fmwre%2F133%2F5%2Fmwr2917.1.xml
-
https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=1058225791&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20060921123239if_%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wmo.int%2Fweb%2Fwww%2FTCP%2FReports%2FHC26-English.pdf
- Sandy, here is the
copyright page for the organization that published the above source.
Hog Farm
Talk
18:12, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, HF. I am doing this on an iPad, in the car, from a hotspot connection, so not fun. My concern is whether that comparison actually constitutes copyvio. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:32, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sandy, here is the
copyright page for the organization that published the above source.
Hog Farm
Talk
18:12, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Please advise, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:23, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- @ SandyGeorgia: First source is copyrighted but is timing out so I'll blame school wifi. Second one is no concern of copyvio. Sennecaster ( Chat) 18:49, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Still stalled in getting an answer on one remaining copyright issue. Because Earwig times out, switching to Dupdet tool.
That journal claims copyright but the summaries at the specific article come from the NOAA, which is public domain, and a sample source for one of the duplicated insertions (Patricia) is this NOAA source public domain NOAA.
So, if I am understanding correctly, I need to check all the insertions identified in the DupDet tool and add a {{ Pd-notice}}
There are no copying within templates on article talk, and no public domain attributions in the article, so these will need to be checked per Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/WikiProject Tropical cyclones SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 05:05, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Version before article went to FAC. The only individual article that existed when this article went to FAC was Hurricane Marty (2003).
To check
User:Nilfanion added bulk of storm info; ran Earwig comparing archive.org sources with diffs as text added on four instances, and found no problem. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 05:29, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
User:Tom added storm info on hurricanes that did not yet have articles, and I could not find any indication of copyvio. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 06:07, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Copying within Wikipedia pre-FAC
-
01:31, May 19, 2005 came from
2004 Pacific hurricane season (present on 23:06, May 15, 2005).
- Note: 01:42, May 19, 2005 edit summary: "forgot to change names"
- 01:42, May 19, 2005 came from 2004 Pacific hurricane season (present on 23:06, May 15, 2005)
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 05:29, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- The first one is fine, does not need attribution IMHO; formatting and such is common between all articles. The names are too simple for copyright even. I have fixed the second one with a null edit with attribution (I usually do cosmetic things like spaces, fixing a typo, or using convert templatees) to the article where content was pasted to, and then placed attribution templates on both talk pages.
Sennecaster (
Chat)
18:43, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- See
this for attribution, and
this for the talk page template.
Sennecaster (
Chat)
18:48, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, Sennecaster. I did this and this. Next, I will do each of the individual articles. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 00:03, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- I believe all of the Copied templates and attribution edits are now done, but we still need to check on public domain attribution here (described lower on this talk page). SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 00:30, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
- See
this for attribution, and
this for the talk page template.
Sennecaster (
Chat)
18:48, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Marty's content was
added here on 19:17, August 9, 2006. Marty at that point was
this, 20:27, July 19, 2006. There is very minor copying within.
SandyGeorgia (
Talk)
06:07, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Added CWW template: [1] SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:15, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Copying within while at FAR
Last version before article came to FAR, 10:55, July 10, 2021
- The hurricane sub-articles are:
-
Tropical Storm Carlos (2003)
- Carlos expansion here, 18:09, August 15, 2021. Carlos on 00:21, August 6, 2021. Sample: "quickly strengthened, developing a well-defined eye feature in the center of the convection", some copying within, without attribution. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 06:31, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
-
Hurricane Ignacio (2003)
-
Ignacio expansion here, 00:55, August 16, 2021.
Ignacio on 00:18, August 6, 2021. Sample: "the latest formation of the first hurricane of a season recorded in the East Pacific since reliable satellite observation began in 1966", copying within without attribution.
- Also copying in the other direction without attribution, from this article (22:46, August 15, 2021) to Ignacio 00:32, August 16, 2021. Sample: "Due to the storm's slow movement, rainfall was high and the resulting flooding was severe,[23] and Ignacio was responsible for approximately US$21 million of damage." SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 06:41, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
-
Ignacio expansion here, 00:55, August 16, 2021.
Ignacio on 00:18, August 6, 2021. Sample: "the latest formation of the first hurricane of a season recorded in the East Pacific since reliable satellite observation began in 1966", copying within without attribution.
-
Hurricane Jimena (2003)
- Jimena expansion here, 01:13, August 16, 2021. Jimena on 20:41, June 7, 2021. Sample: "knocked down trees and damaged power lines, leaving 1,300 residents without electricity", copying within without attribution. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 06:50, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
-
Hurricane Marty (2003)
-
Marty expansion here, 03:56, August 16, 2021.
Marty on 20:45, June 7, 2021. Sample: Entire paragraph beginning with "Five people drowned after their cars were swept away by floodwaters while trying to cross a flooded stream ... ", copying within without attribution.
- Also went from here to there: 03:59, August 16, 2021. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 06:58, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
-
Marty expansion here, 03:56, August 16, 2021.
Marty on 20:45, June 7, 2021. Sample: Entire paragraph beginning with "Five people drowned after their cars were swept away by floodwaters while trying to cross a flooded stream ... ", copying within without attribution.
-
Hurricane Nora (2003)
- Nora expansion here, 04:38, August 16, 2021. Nora on 13:50, June 18, 2021. Sample: "Moisture from the remnants of Nora and Olaf interacted with an upper-level low to produce heavy rainfall across Texas, producing flooding near Waco that forced a family to evacuate in McGregor", copying within without attribution. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 07:01, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
-
Hurricane Olaf (2003)
- Olaf expansion here, 03:08, August 17, 2021. Olaf on 20:48, June 7, 2021. Don't see copying within there, could be tired eyes. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 07:05, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
-
Tropical Storm Carlos (2003)
Copied templates to check
| Text has been copied to or from this page; see the list below. The source pages now serve to
provide attribution for the content in the destination pages and must not be deleted as long as the copies exist. For attribution and to access older versions of the copied text, please see the history links below.
|
| Text and/or other creative content from this version of 2003 Pacific hurricane season was copied or moved into Hurricane Ignacio (2003) with this edit on 00:32, August 16, 2021. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
| Text and/or other creative content from this version of 2003 Pacific hurricane season was copied or moved into Hurricane Marty (2003) with this edit on 03:59, August 16, 2021. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
- Added earlier Marty CWW: [2] SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:16, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Too-close paraphrasing
Patricia rewrite, very minor instance of too-close paraphrasing here ("westerly shear over Patricia, which caused the low-level center to become displaced") that should be corrected in the article. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 07:14, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Attributed NOAA Pd-domain: [3] SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:59, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Overall
Some instance of too-close paraphrasing or plagiarism that should be examined:
- https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=1058225791&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fjournals.ametsoc.org%2Fview%2Fjournals%2Fmwre%2F133%2F5%2Fmwr2917.1.xml
- https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=1058225791&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20060921123239if_%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wmo.int%2Fweb%2Fwww%2FTCP%2FReports%2FHC26-English.pdf
SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 07:29, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Article: Later on October 24 , the system turned toward the northwest in response to a weakness in the ridge caused by the trough near the Baja California Peninsula.
- Source:
[4] Later on 24 October, Patricia turned toward the northwest in response to a weakness in the ridge caused by the trough near Baja California.
- Inserted here. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 07:59, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- From
here, public domain, but without a PD attribution tag on the source or the article.
SandyGeorgia (
Talk)
08:01, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Attributed to NOAA Pd-notice: [5] SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 16:54, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Earwig on the version before the article came to FAR, July 10 2021
reveals nothing major. So the problematic instances crept in during the FAR. I am too tired to look up the rest, but there is one sample above. Public domain can be attributed, but I don't know which template to add where, and we would need to go back and look at everything new (I was looking more at the original FAC). SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 08:11, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Summary
Moneytrees I would appreciate some help in wrapping this one up. If I have done all of this correctly, I feel confident to move forward on checking other cyclone/hurricane FAs.
I found copying within, both old and new, going both ways, and believe I have now added the correct templates to the suite of articles (see above).
I found some instances of public domain use (NOAA) during the FAR, and have attributed it. [6]
But I don’t know what to do with these, which I have determined happened during this FAR (see above), which is still open. If these sources are public domain, I need to know how I determine that so I can attribute. If they are not public domain, we have a bigger problem, as these are recent introductions:
- https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=1058225791&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fjournals.ametsoc.org%2Fview%2Fjournals%2Fmwre%2F133%2F5%2Fmwr2917.1.xml
-
https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&oldid=1058225791&action=compare&url=https%3A%2F%2Fweb.archive.org%2Fweb%2F20060921123239if_%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wmo.int%2Fweb%2Fwww%2FTCP%2FReports%2FHC26-English.pdf
- Sandy, here is the
copyright page for the organization that published the above source.
Hog Farm
Talk
18:12, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, HF. I am doing this on an iPad, in the car, from a hotspot connection, so not fun. My concern is whether that comparison actually constitutes copyvio. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 19:32, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Sandy, here is the
copyright page for the organization that published the above source.
Hog Farm
Talk
18:12, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Please advise, SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:23, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- @ SandyGeorgia: First source is copyrighted but is timing out so I'll blame school wifi. Second one is no concern of copyvio. Sennecaster ( Chat) 18:49, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Still stalled in getting an answer on one remaining copyright issue. Because Earwig times out, switching to Dupdet tool.
That journal claims copyright but the summaries at the specific article come from the NOAA, which is public domain, and a sample source for one of the duplicated insertions (Patricia) is this NOAA source public domain NOAA.
So, if I am understanding correctly, I need to check all the insertions identified in the DupDet tool and add a {{ Pd-notice}}