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to Raul654: May I ask why this nomination was removed, although all objections have been adressed? As it was just behind the nomination for the Yom Kippur War and this article is now under Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Featured log/June 2005 I am a little bid irritated. Themanwithoutapast 02:01, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Proposal: As we have in VFD, only registered users should nominate and vote here.
No, I disagree. There's no reason why anons shouldn't be able to make nominations here, provided they sign. Generally speaking, anons are rare enough that if one particular article gets multiple comments from several nearby IPs, we'll know its the anon (proveded he signs his comments). →Raul654 16:54, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
I am trying to help an anonymous user nominate this article. Something does not seem right, though. Please help out.-- Wiglaf 09:42, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Apparently, template:ref and template:note no longer works. Numerous featured articles have been "broken" (for lack of a better word) by this. I scheduled libertarianism (which uses the templates) for Monday, so I'd appreciate it if someone could fix the problem soon. →Raul654 16:56, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
I still feel there needs to be some mechanism to recognise excellent articles that aren't/can't be featured, since certain articles are apparently beyond consideration for FA status. Exploding Boy 17:06, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
I want to submit two related articles at one go. The problem is that the boundaries between the two articles are vaguely defined and some content of the two articles will overlap. Indian Railways (the only railways in India) and Rail transport in India. [Work on both articles unfinshed as of now]. How do I feature both? = Nichalp ( Talk)= 19:09, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
In looking through WP:FA, I noticed Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore) in the list as one I hadn't seen there before. I don't remember seeing this one go through the nomination process and I don't see anything in the Featured Log for it. When was this article promoted? slambo 13:46, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
The article talk page says they hope to work it up to featured status, mabye someone over enthuastic added it to the list.-- nixie 13:57, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, that's what I thought had happened. slambo 14:29, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
Today, the last day of June, is the 181st day of 2005; to date this year, we have produced a net increase of 181 featured articles -- exactly 1 new one per day. →Raul654 June 30, 2005 07:40 (UTC)
Also, for those who are consider this bad news -- bear in mind that the quality of the featured articles has gone up substantially over the past 18 months, so there's hidden increase in value per article. →Raul654 June 30, 2005 07:47 (UTC)
This guy is voting strong opposition to most FACs because he doesn't consider them as famous (on Norman Borlaug: "We Asians have NEVER heard about this guy") or they are too long (on Bertrand Russell: "Object, yes, long, long, too long. Nobody will be interested to read an article of 7919 words."). Can we just not take his votes into consideration? Am I being too harsh? Harro5 June 30, 2005 23:04 (UTC)
He doesn't appear to have read the criteria and it's his first time voting, votes that are inactionable, like he's not famous enough, are generally not counted.-- nixie 30 June 2005 23:09 (UTC)
Petaholes/Nixie is right -- if his objections are inactionable, let him know it. His comments on the central asia nom "Oppose at the moment. The contents are good and the article body is well-written, however the introduction is definitely too long. --Deryck C. 2005-06-30 15:33:28 (UTC)" are a valid objection, but from a quick survey, most of the rest are not -- these are ones I ignore. →Raul654 June 30, 2005 23:12 (UTC)
I can't seem to find an archive of the discussions of proposed FA status of past featured articles. I'm curious about the discussion about today's FA. Cigarette 1 July 2005 13:09 (UTC)
Can I confirm User:cognition's objection to the GaussFAC will be ignored like User:Slimvirgin said? Thanks Borisblue 2 July 2005 15:09 (UTC)
You're being treated exactly like any other user. Your objection sounds fishy to a number of editors, so you're being asked to substantiate it. Do that, or go find something else more productive to do. - Taxman Talk July 2, 2005 21:17 (UTC)
If you people are too lazy to do your own homework, I will do it for you. [4] Cognition 2 July 2005 23:15 (UTC)
The delay is because I am/was waiting for user:Tannin. I left a message on his talk page several days ago asking him to revisit the nom and reevaluate it - he has not responded, so I'll be mindful of that next time I do the promotions/removals here. →Raul654 18:09, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
A user, well meaning Carnildo, is visiting the various FAC's to object to using fair use images. I know he has the right to object to picture copyright, due to FAC requirement number six: "Have images where appropriate, with good captions and acceptable copyright status. However, an article does not have to have a picture to be featured." However, what considers an "acceptable copyright?" Zscout370 (Sound Off) 18:22, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
In reply to both Dbiv and Carnildo re: fair use in featured articles -- this is a subject on which there is much disagreement, and strict rules are not a realistic option. We have to balance our desire to make the database as reusable as possible with our desire to make articles as informative as possible. Both of these are primary our objectives. As such, we have to consider each situation on a case-by-case basis. →Raul654 04:11, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
It's all a great shame because there's some great articles that we all know are superb (and correct), but struggle with image and reference problems. --
PopUpPirate 23:32, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
Please take a look -- MarSch 10:42, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm noticing that FAC seems to get more traffic than PR requests. Does anyone else think that is a bit backward? I've seen a whole lot of FAC objections that should have been brought up when the article was up for peer review, so I wonder why there are people voting in FACs if they aren't also commenting in peer review requests. In my opinion, FAC should be a quick process- PRR is where the work should get done. -- malathion talk 15:27, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
I have been involved in the Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates page and I have noticed that many of the FA articles that come up for possible removal had very small discussions prior to reaching FA status. Is it possible to come to consensus on having a minimum number of supporting votes before an article is promoted to FA status? Perhaps having three or four votes in support as a minimum? Or is this an issue that used to come up with FA candidates but no longer does. -- Alabamaboy 17:30, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
This issue is a potential consideration in the Featured Article Removal candidate, Hutton Inquiry which received solely a nomination and an implicit endorsement 'very good article' when nominated in February 2004. David | Talk 13:53, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm working on getting a few RPG games up to FA status. I noticed that some of the articles have no Fancruft in them, but their subpages do. Someone mentioned to me that if the subpage contains Fancruft, then it hurts the articles chances of becoming a Featured Article. Is this true? Or when you guys vote on an article, do you only look at the article that is up for the nomination instead of its character pages? -- ZeWrestler Talk 18:30, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
If a featured article is not put on the main page, what happens to it? Is it just noted as a featured article or is it put on a secondary page? Rentastrawberry 04:59, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. Rentastrawberry 05:09, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not surprised that there are many support votes for the Chicago article. Most of the votes come from wikiproject Chicago editors and have no idea as to how city articles have to be written. They rarely/never have taken part in FAC. While I do have legitimate concerns, I don't think my objection will be taken care of because of these "fan" votes. How would you deal with this situation? =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:48, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
We are having a fine time over at WP:FLC, but it has been suggested that some of the lists with more explanatory text may be suitable for WP:FAC too (or instead, not that I would want featured lists to be see as some form of inferior featured content, of course).
A case in point is List of countries with nuclear weapons - would this stand a chance of becoming a featured article? Would it have to be renamed Countries with nuclear weapons or similar? -- ALoan (Talk) 18:34, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
I was reviewing the nomination of Zambezi when I noticed that the article has a ((1911)) tag. I asked the nominator and main author, Worldtraveller, about this, and he replied that "I'd probably say it's still similar enough to require attribution rather than be listed just as a reference." Given that meaningful portions of the 1911 EB content have been preserved, what do we as a community think of featuring this article as "exemplify[ing] Wikipedia's very best work?" I for one am uncomfortable with the idea of presenting public-domain materials as examples of our best work. That said, I'm also uncomfortable using that reason to not support articles such as this one, which has clearly grown from the public-domain material in question into something better. Thoughts? - Bantman 21:25, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
If you read the original 1911 article you'll see that Worldtravellers text is significantly different, alot of the material in our article isn't covered at all the the EB one, and I actually couldn't find any sections where they were word for word cut and pasted text. In this case I can't identify a meaningful portion of EB material. I think if we pass over article that have their origin in 1911 or some other public domain text we're probably doing the editors that have whipped it into shape a disservice.-- nixie 22:59, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
I think it might be useful if I just try to clarify my thoughts on this a bit more. I started by copying 1911 content wholesale into the article, and have since probably re-worded pretty much every sentence (and cut it down by about half - my word, they were verbose back then!). So, I would think only a very small part of the text would now exactly correspond to the 1911 text. But, I think it wouldn't be right to merely list it as a reference, as the article is still very much based on the 1911 text, even if it's now very different to it. The whole 'course' section is a derivative work rather than a new piece based on references, so I felt it more appropriate to leave the 1911 tag there, to properly credit what I derived much of the article from. Worldtraveller 20:44, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I think it would be beneficial to the FAC process if a guidline for referencing a featured article was added. Recently I have seen someone demand innote's be turned into notes in a very non-controvertial topic and on a different artcile someone else ask that the foonotes be removed. If we can agree on a guidline for FAC then the expectation is more clear for authors and reviewers. These are the guidelines that I try and follow and offer as advice on peer review:
Comments?-- nixie 02:52, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Cite Sources is really vague, people should have some sort of indication as to exactly what the expectations are. Mbye cite sources hsould be rewritten.-- nixie 03:15, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I agree with everything said by everybody above. I do not see any contradictions, no one has said anything surprising. @ RN: I think "inline" means that a number appears in the text, not the whole note.
I strongly disagree with any mandatory template-use, however.--
Fenice
16:32, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Please have a look at this proposal and comment on its talk page. Thanks.-- Pharos 04:06, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
FAC has increased dramatically in size recently, and it looks like people are having problems keeping up:
I was wondering how these articles would be handled. I don't really feel comfortable with something getting promoted if only 3 people have commented, and it doesn't look like these articles will get much more attention, as they're so low on the list. I was also wondering if anyone had a longer-term solution in case the load on FAC remains high. Dave (talk) 18:47, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
I also think 3 votes are not enough. There should be a clear rule as to how many pro-votes an article needs and the number should be more like ten. I do not have a problem if the page is full. But, to keep it from getting worse and to get more attention for this page it could be listed on Wikipedia:Maintenance collaboration of the week. This project takes efficient care of these kinds of build-up problems.-- Fenice 18:57, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I was just thinking that we should post on the page the instructions for featured article promotion or rejection when the time period for voting is over like is done with Featured picture canidates since like FPC it doesn't look like there's anything there that takes an admin to do so we should make it so everyone at least knows how to do it correctly, we should also have guideline for exactly how long a page is listed before being removed and either promoted or rejected. Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 00:01, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
As has been noted, there are more and more articles coming here, and it can happen that an article gets rapidly moved down the list and gets consequently less attention and comment than its authors would like. Maybe the FAC page could be arranged in subsections, according to broad subject area, like for example arts, science and humanities? Then they'd still all appear on the same page, but those interested in particular subject areas could be guided to articles on which they have a particular interest. I'd personally probably be more likely to comment on science articles if they were all gathered in one place. Worldtraveller 11:01, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Based on the fact that there are some pretty fine collections of articles that might be worth highlighting, I have created Wikipedia:Featured topics. Please take a look at the idea and make some comments on the talk page. 14:54, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Those of us who help out on the Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates page have had an issue raised with History of South Carolina, which was promoted the other day to Featured Article status. According to the editor's comment on the removal page, the article went through one round of FA consideration, was rejected, then was immediately returned to FA consideration without the required notice being placed (at first) on the article's talk page. As a result, many of the editors who raised issues with the article in the first FA round did not know the article was again being considered. This caused a number of editors not to vote and, more importantly, at least one of them feels the issues raised in the first FA round were not addressed before the article was selected as a FA. I feel that this isn't an issue to be addressed on the FA removal page. For the complete background, please see Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/History of South Carolina. Thanks. -- Alabamaboy 22:24, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
I wish things were resolving that neatly. The editor still hasn't explained why she posted that she wasn't going to quickly renominate the article, but did so; hasn't take any steps to discuss the problems with me or with any of the other objectors to the initial FAC, and hasn't taken any significant action to address similar defects I commented on in another FAC. Instead, several of her friends are are posting a run of personally abusive comments about me in various places, and the reaction that followed by noting her appropriation of copyrighted text without acknowledgment, in accordance with designated copyvio guidelines, has been thoroughly inappropriate. I think the situation shows problems with the whole featured article process; given the relatively small number of approvals needed to get the designation, and the ease with which small groups can manipulate it (as evidenced in the "History of Arizona" dispute, where most of the approvals seem to be coming from the editor's friends), it seems rather difficult to enforce the appropriate criteria. Monicasdude 19:39, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Being bold - should Featured Articles have a star on them, to signify that they ARE featured?
In other words, when you are browsing, you are alerted to the fact that it is a Featured Article, without having to go to the talk page? -- PopUpPirate 23:16, August 21, 2005 (UTC)
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to Raul654: May I ask why this nomination was removed, although all objections have been adressed? As it was just behind the nomination for the Yom Kippur War and this article is now under Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Featured log/June 2005 I am a little bid irritated. Themanwithoutapast 02:01, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Proposal: As we have in VFD, only registered users should nominate and vote here.
No, I disagree. There's no reason why anons shouldn't be able to make nominations here, provided they sign. Generally speaking, anons are rare enough that if one particular article gets multiple comments from several nearby IPs, we'll know its the anon (proveded he signs his comments). →Raul654 16:54, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
I am trying to help an anonymous user nominate this article. Something does not seem right, though. Please help out.-- Wiglaf 09:42, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Apparently, template:ref and template:note no longer works. Numerous featured articles have been "broken" (for lack of a better word) by this. I scheduled libertarianism (which uses the templates) for Monday, so I'd appreciate it if someone could fix the problem soon. →Raul654 16:56, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
I still feel there needs to be some mechanism to recognise excellent articles that aren't/can't be featured, since certain articles are apparently beyond consideration for FA status. Exploding Boy 17:06, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
I want to submit two related articles at one go. The problem is that the boundaries between the two articles are vaguely defined and some content of the two articles will overlap. Indian Railways (the only railways in India) and Rail transport in India. [Work on both articles unfinshed as of now]. How do I feature both? = Nichalp ( Talk)= 19:09, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
In looking through WP:FA, I noticed Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore) in the list as one I hadn't seen there before. I don't remember seeing this one go through the nomination process and I don't see anything in the Featured Log for it. When was this article promoted? slambo 13:46, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
The article talk page says they hope to work it up to featured status, mabye someone over enthuastic added it to the list.-- nixie 13:57, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, that's what I thought had happened. slambo 14:29, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
Today, the last day of June, is the 181st day of 2005; to date this year, we have produced a net increase of 181 featured articles -- exactly 1 new one per day. →Raul654 June 30, 2005 07:40 (UTC)
Also, for those who are consider this bad news -- bear in mind that the quality of the featured articles has gone up substantially over the past 18 months, so there's hidden increase in value per article. →Raul654 June 30, 2005 07:47 (UTC)
This guy is voting strong opposition to most FACs because he doesn't consider them as famous (on Norman Borlaug: "We Asians have NEVER heard about this guy") or they are too long (on Bertrand Russell: "Object, yes, long, long, too long. Nobody will be interested to read an article of 7919 words."). Can we just not take his votes into consideration? Am I being too harsh? Harro5 June 30, 2005 23:04 (UTC)
He doesn't appear to have read the criteria and it's his first time voting, votes that are inactionable, like he's not famous enough, are generally not counted.-- nixie 30 June 2005 23:09 (UTC)
Petaholes/Nixie is right -- if his objections are inactionable, let him know it. His comments on the central asia nom "Oppose at the moment. The contents are good and the article body is well-written, however the introduction is definitely too long. --Deryck C. 2005-06-30 15:33:28 (UTC)" are a valid objection, but from a quick survey, most of the rest are not -- these are ones I ignore. →Raul654 June 30, 2005 23:12 (UTC)
I can't seem to find an archive of the discussions of proposed FA status of past featured articles. I'm curious about the discussion about today's FA. Cigarette 1 July 2005 13:09 (UTC)
Can I confirm User:cognition's objection to the GaussFAC will be ignored like User:Slimvirgin said? Thanks Borisblue 2 July 2005 15:09 (UTC)
You're being treated exactly like any other user. Your objection sounds fishy to a number of editors, so you're being asked to substantiate it. Do that, or go find something else more productive to do. - Taxman Talk July 2, 2005 21:17 (UTC)
If you people are too lazy to do your own homework, I will do it for you. [4] Cognition 2 July 2005 23:15 (UTC)
The delay is because I am/was waiting for user:Tannin. I left a message on his talk page several days ago asking him to revisit the nom and reevaluate it - he has not responded, so I'll be mindful of that next time I do the promotions/removals here. →Raul654 18:09, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
A user, well meaning Carnildo, is visiting the various FAC's to object to using fair use images. I know he has the right to object to picture copyright, due to FAC requirement number six: "Have images where appropriate, with good captions and acceptable copyright status. However, an article does not have to have a picture to be featured." However, what considers an "acceptable copyright?" Zscout370 (Sound Off) 18:22, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
In reply to both Dbiv and Carnildo re: fair use in featured articles -- this is a subject on which there is much disagreement, and strict rules are not a realistic option. We have to balance our desire to make the database as reusable as possible with our desire to make articles as informative as possible. Both of these are primary our objectives. As such, we have to consider each situation on a case-by-case basis. →Raul654 04:11, July 24, 2005 (UTC)
It's all a great shame because there's some great articles that we all know are superb (and correct), but struggle with image and reference problems. --
PopUpPirate 23:32, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
Please take a look -- MarSch 10:42, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm noticing that FAC seems to get more traffic than PR requests. Does anyone else think that is a bit backward? I've seen a whole lot of FAC objections that should have been brought up when the article was up for peer review, so I wonder why there are people voting in FACs if they aren't also commenting in peer review requests. In my opinion, FAC should be a quick process- PRR is where the work should get done. -- malathion talk 15:27, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
I have been involved in the Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates page and I have noticed that many of the FA articles that come up for possible removal had very small discussions prior to reaching FA status. Is it possible to come to consensus on having a minimum number of supporting votes before an article is promoted to FA status? Perhaps having three or four votes in support as a minimum? Or is this an issue that used to come up with FA candidates but no longer does. -- Alabamaboy 17:30, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
This issue is a potential consideration in the Featured Article Removal candidate, Hutton Inquiry which received solely a nomination and an implicit endorsement 'very good article' when nominated in February 2004. David | Talk 13:53, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
I'm working on getting a few RPG games up to FA status. I noticed that some of the articles have no Fancruft in them, but their subpages do. Someone mentioned to me that if the subpage contains Fancruft, then it hurts the articles chances of becoming a Featured Article. Is this true? Or when you guys vote on an article, do you only look at the article that is up for the nomination instead of its character pages? -- ZeWrestler Talk 18:30, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
If a featured article is not put on the main page, what happens to it? Is it just noted as a featured article or is it put on a secondary page? Rentastrawberry 04:59, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. Rentastrawberry 05:09, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not surprised that there are many support votes for the Chicago article. Most of the votes come from wikiproject Chicago editors and have no idea as to how city articles have to be written. They rarely/never have taken part in FAC. While I do have legitimate concerns, I don't think my objection will be taken care of because of these "fan" votes. How would you deal with this situation? =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:48, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
We are having a fine time over at WP:FLC, but it has been suggested that some of the lists with more explanatory text may be suitable for WP:FAC too (or instead, not that I would want featured lists to be see as some form of inferior featured content, of course).
A case in point is List of countries with nuclear weapons - would this stand a chance of becoming a featured article? Would it have to be renamed Countries with nuclear weapons or similar? -- ALoan (Talk) 18:34, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
I was reviewing the nomination of Zambezi when I noticed that the article has a ((1911)) tag. I asked the nominator and main author, Worldtraveller, about this, and he replied that "I'd probably say it's still similar enough to require attribution rather than be listed just as a reference." Given that meaningful portions of the 1911 EB content have been preserved, what do we as a community think of featuring this article as "exemplify[ing] Wikipedia's very best work?" I for one am uncomfortable with the idea of presenting public-domain materials as examples of our best work. That said, I'm also uncomfortable using that reason to not support articles such as this one, which has clearly grown from the public-domain material in question into something better. Thoughts? - Bantman 21:25, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
If you read the original 1911 article you'll see that Worldtravellers text is significantly different, alot of the material in our article isn't covered at all the the EB one, and I actually couldn't find any sections where they were word for word cut and pasted text. In this case I can't identify a meaningful portion of EB material. I think if we pass over article that have their origin in 1911 or some other public domain text we're probably doing the editors that have whipped it into shape a disservice.-- nixie 22:59, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
I think it might be useful if I just try to clarify my thoughts on this a bit more. I started by copying 1911 content wholesale into the article, and have since probably re-worded pretty much every sentence (and cut it down by about half - my word, they were verbose back then!). So, I would think only a very small part of the text would now exactly correspond to the 1911 text. But, I think it wouldn't be right to merely list it as a reference, as the article is still very much based on the 1911 text, even if it's now very different to it. The whole 'course' section is a derivative work rather than a new piece based on references, so I felt it more appropriate to leave the 1911 tag there, to properly credit what I derived much of the article from. Worldtraveller 20:44, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I think it would be beneficial to the FAC process if a guidline for referencing a featured article was added. Recently I have seen someone demand innote's be turned into notes in a very non-controvertial topic and on a different artcile someone else ask that the foonotes be removed. If we can agree on a guidline for FAC then the expectation is more clear for authors and reviewers. These are the guidelines that I try and follow and offer as advice on peer review:
Comments?-- nixie 02:52, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Cite Sources is really vague, people should have some sort of indication as to exactly what the expectations are. Mbye cite sources hsould be rewritten.-- nixie 03:15, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I agree with everything said by everybody above. I do not see any contradictions, no one has said anything surprising. @ RN: I think "inline" means that a number appears in the text, not the whole note.
I strongly disagree with any mandatory template-use, however.--
Fenice
16:32, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Please have a look at this proposal and comment on its talk page. Thanks.-- Pharos 04:06, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
FAC has increased dramatically in size recently, and it looks like people are having problems keeping up:
I was wondering how these articles would be handled. I don't really feel comfortable with something getting promoted if only 3 people have commented, and it doesn't look like these articles will get much more attention, as they're so low on the list. I was also wondering if anyone had a longer-term solution in case the load on FAC remains high. Dave (talk) 18:47, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
I also think 3 votes are not enough. There should be a clear rule as to how many pro-votes an article needs and the number should be more like ten. I do not have a problem if the page is full. But, to keep it from getting worse and to get more attention for this page it could be listed on Wikipedia:Maintenance collaboration of the week. This project takes efficient care of these kinds of build-up problems.-- Fenice 18:57, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I was just thinking that we should post on the page the instructions for featured article promotion or rejection when the time period for voting is over like is done with Featured picture canidates since like FPC it doesn't look like there's anything there that takes an admin to do so we should make it so everyone at least knows how to do it correctly, we should also have guideline for exactly how long a page is listed before being removed and either promoted or rejected. Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 00:01, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
As has been noted, there are more and more articles coming here, and it can happen that an article gets rapidly moved down the list and gets consequently less attention and comment than its authors would like. Maybe the FAC page could be arranged in subsections, according to broad subject area, like for example arts, science and humanities? Then they'd still all appear on the same page, but those interested in particular subject areas could be guided to articles on which they have a particular interest. I'd personally probably be more likely to comment on science articles if they were all gathered in one place. Worldtraveller 11:01, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Based on the fact that there are some pretty fine collections of articles that might be worth highlighting, I have created Wikipedia:Featured topics. Please take a look at the idea and make some comments on the talk page. 14:54, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
Those of us who help out on the Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates page have had an issue raised with History of South Carolina, which was promoted the other day to Featured Article status. According to the editor's comment on the removal page, the article went through one round of FA consideration, was rejected, then was immediately returned to FA consideration without the required notice being placed (at first) on the article's talk page. As a result, many of the editors who raised issues with the article in the first FA round did not know the article was again being considered. This caused a number of editors not to vote and, more importantly, at least one of them feels the issues raised in the first FA round were not addressed before the article was selected as a FA. I feel that this isn't an issue to be addressed on the FA removal page. For the complete background, please see Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/History of South Carolina. Thanks. -- Alabamaboy 22:24, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
I wish things were resolving that neatly. The editor still hasn't explained why she posted that she wasn't going to quickly renominate the article, but did so; hasn't take any steps to discuss the problems with me or with any of the other objectors to the initial FAC, and hasn't taken any significant action to address similar defects I commented on in another FAC. Instead, several of her friends are are posting a run of personally abusive comments about me in various places, and the reaction that followed by noting her appropriation of copyrighted text without acknowledgment, in accordance with designated copyvio guidelines, has been thoroughly inappropriate. I think the situation shows problems with the whole featured article process; given the relatively small number of approvals needed to get the designation, and the ease with which small groups can manipulate it (as evidenced in the "History of Arizona" dispute, where most of the approvals seem to be coming from the editor's friends), it seems rather difficult to enforce the appropriate criteria. Monicasdude 19:39, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Being bold - should Featured Articles have a star on them, to signify that they ARE featured?
In other words, when you are browsing, you are alerted to the fact that it is a Featured Article, without having to go to the talk page? -- PopUpPirate 23:16, August 21, 2005 (UTC)