Coropuna is a dormant compound volcano with several perennially snowbound conical summits in the Andes mountains of southern Peru. Its highest peak reaches an altitude of 6,377 metres (20,922 feet) above sea level, making the Coropuna complex the third-highest in Peru. Its thick ice cap is the most extensive in Earth's tropical zone, with several outlet glaciers stretching out to lower altitudes. Below an elevation of 5,000 metres (16,000 feet), the vegetation belts include trees, peat bogs and grasses, as well as agricultural areas and pastures. The Coropuna complex consists of several stratovolcanos composed chiefly of ignimbrites and lava flows, on a basement formed by similar material from the Middle Miocene. The complex has been active for at least five million years. Current activity occurs exclusively in the form of hot springs. The Inca archaeological site of Mawk'allaqta is on the volcano's slopes. ( Full article...)
Just a suggested blurb ... thoughts and edits are welcome. - Dank ( push to talk) 14:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Iridescent raised this on his talk, so I'm addressing it here. (Although we worked for weeks on this article, I focused on prose in individual sections, and never actually got to read the entire thing through ... I missed this section.)
Coropuna was considered to be the most important God ( apu) of the region, the second-most important in the cosmology of the Andes and a holy mountain; it was particularly important for the town of Cotahuasi. ... Today, St Francis of Assisi is sometimes localised at the top of the mountain by pious people and the mountain is used in mortuary rites to this day.
Iri says, "It might be worth finding a Spanish speaker (ping for SandyGeorgia) to ask es-wiki if anyone there has any idea about why the locals believe a medieval Italian is living on their mountain as I can't be the only reader who finds it odd." The source is in English, and culturally, I don't find this at all odd. Different saints are patrons/protectors of different things in the Catholic religion, and I've seen all kinds of customs similar to this throughout my time in Latin America ... but that still doesn't help understand what the sentence is trying to say. The source says:
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And so on; there is plenty in the source to expand the sentence enough to help the reader understand how this came to be, and the source is in English. Will come back to this when I have time; five of us working made tons of progress on the article, [1] but I never found time to read the whole thing. Someone with better prose than I might figure out how to fix the passage. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:04, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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One key is the sourced phrase, "among today's Peruvian peasantry". I am not surprised at all. Odd local customs tangentially related to religious beliefs are legion in the hispanic culture. Although they often originate among those with less formal education, they often become widespread cultural norms and expectations. To this day, I get very odd looks when I nervously scurry to pick up a purse that a guest in my house has set on the floor, or to ask a child with a seashell in her pocket to leave it outside. Of course I know intellectually that dire consequences are not going to befall my household because someone set their purse on the floor or brought a seashell into my house, but these are nonetheless cultural practices of dubious and odd origins that become the norm. Still does not seem odd to me that peasants have these beliefs, even if they don't exist in other countries and we can't understand how they relate to Catholicism. How does Cuba's brujeria relate to Catholcism? It doesn't; but most practice it. No Venezuelan woman will ever set her purse on the floor or bring a seashell into your home, no matter the level of their education. Does that make sense? No. |
the pious among today’s Peruvian peasantry believe that Saint Francis has alighted on top of an active volcanoin any way other than that he's physically there. (The alternative—that Francis has changed from human to angelic form—really would be heresy at burned-at-the-stake levels, since Francis was human and it's an article of faith that angels are sinless, unchanging and unchanging beings of pure spirit). ‑ Iridescent 15:17, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Coropuna was considered to be the most important God (apu) of the region:
We have concurrently performed fieldwork and have gathered literature relevant to our research. Then, we have a lot of information about the Inca Santuaries in high mountains. Our Research is mainly about Ampato, Pichu Pichu, Calcha, Sara Sara, Hualca Hualca, Huarancante, Misti, coropuna and other volcanoes. So far, we have recovered and are keeping eight human bodies from: Ampato volcano (4 bodies), Pichu Pichu ( 3 bodies), and Sara Sara (1 body). As a result, of our research we now have a better understanding and conceptual framework about human sacrifices and offerings that were carried out by Inca as worship to the mountains (Apus).
we found out that Coropuna was considered the most important apu of the southern region, which was my question on the earlier clauses. We still can't be sure how they mean southern as relates to the rest of the article, so still think we can be less explicit on the wording here while getting the idea across. I think instead of "particularly important for the town of Cotahuasi", we can say "especially around the town of Cotahuasi", or "centered around the town of Cotahuasi", eliminating the question about, why more important there than elsewhere? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:58, 6 March 2020 (UTC)Dentro de la cosmovisión andina fue considerado apu o divinidad tutelar más importante de la región sur, en especial del pueblo de Cotahuasi, manifestaciones que continúan hasta nuestros tiempos.
OK, I'll stop for now … to ask if I am on the wrong track, and if I should attempt to rewrite the entire thing, going through all the sources, as in these samples. I think we have enough information in the sources to re-write all three paragraphs in the Mythology section, and bring more clarity, hopefully without getting me kicked off of Wikipedia sooner than next week, when I probably will be anyway :) SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:58, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
In the Inca Empire, Coropuna was a sacred mountain, [1] especially for the people of Cotahuasi. [2] It was regarded as the most important mountain deity ( apu) of the southern region, [3] and the second-most important in the cosmology of the Andes. [4] The mountain was considered to be an abode of the dead [5] – a large village where holy people received the souls of the departed, who lived there in the afterlife. [4] [6] In different mythologies Coropuna is instead the starting point for the deceased on a journey to Surimana [6] – the place where the local populations originated. [7] Sometimes Coropuna is seen as a male entity while Solimana volcano is seen as a female one. [8] Local people continue to observe these ancient mortuary rites today. [4]
An enduring Franciscan influence from a colonial-era Cusco friary, the "pious among today's Peruvian peasantry" revere a "Flying" St Francis of Assisi, who is believed to await the souls of the dead on top of Coropuna. [9] Other poorly recorded legends are associated with Coropuna. [10] One story narrates how a brother tried to deceive Coropuna and other mountains, and was turned into a deer. [11] Another legend tells of a conflict between Coropuna and other local mountains against an interloping Inca. [12] A third story states that a troupe was transporting precious metals for Coropuna and Solimana when the animal leading it was shot by a hunter; the mountains then castrated the hunter. [13]
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Iridescent, does this solve the problems? Jo-Jo, does this accurately reflect the sources? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 23:41, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Curiously, while looking at this source for the Mythology section, I realized for the first time that there was text in hidden sections there. Earlier, I thought the only text there was the limited amount at the top of the page. We do have enough information to write a sentence or two about tourism in the area, which I suggest we append to the Climbing section, renaming it to "Climbing and tourism". This goes back to my earlier concern that we don't explain why it's a tourist site and what draws people there, and that source does have some info, albeit hidden, on the topic. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 18:05, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
...that were carried out in this edit by Tisquesusa. I am parking a general comment here that I've seen the questions there but will reply tomorrow owing to it being late in Switzerland. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 20:28, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Coropuna is a dormant compound volcano with several perennially snowbound conical summits in the Andes mountains of southern Peru. Its highest peak reaches an altitude of 6,377 metres (20,922 feet) above sea level, making the Coropuna complex the third-highest in Peru. Its thick ice cap is the most extensive in Earth's tropical zone, with several outlet glaciers stretching out to lower altitudes. Below an elevation of 5,000 metres (16,000 feet), the vegetation belts include trees, peat bogs and grasses, as well as agricultural areas and pastures. The Coropuna complex consists of several stratovolcanos composed chiefly of ignimbrites and lava flows, on a basement formed by similar material from the Middle Miocene. The complex has been active for at least five million years. Current activity occurs exclusively in the form of hot springs. The Inca archaeological site of Mawk'allaqta is on the volcano's slopes. ( Full article...)
Just a suggested blurb ... thoughts and edits are welcome. - Dank ( push to talk) 14:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Iridescent raised this on his talk, so I'm addressing it here. (Although we worked for weeks on this article, I focused on prose in individual sections, and never actually got to read the entire thing through ... I missed this section.)
Coropuna was considered to be the most important God ( apu) of the region, the second-most important in the cosmology of the Andes and a holy mountain; it was particularly important for the town of Cotahuasi. ... Today, St Francis of Assisi is sometimes localised at the top of the mountain by pious people and the mountain is used in mortuary rites to this day.
Iri says, "It might be worth finding a Spanish speaker (ping for SandyGeorgia) to ask es-wiki if anyone there has any idea about why the locals believe a medieval Italian is living on their mountain as I can't be the only reader who finds it odd." The source is in English, and culturally, I don't find this at all odd. Different saints are patrons/protectors of different things in the Catholic religion, and I've seen all kinds of customs similar to this throughout my time in Latin America ... but that still doesn't help understand what the sentence is trying to say. The source says:
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And so on; there is plenty in the source to expand the sentence enough to help the reader understand how this came to be, and the source is in English. Will come back to this when I have time; five of us working made tons of progress on the article, [1] but I never found time to read the whole thing. Someone with better prose than I might figure out how to fix the passage. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 01:04, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Cultural
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One key is the sourced phrase, "among today's Peruvian peasantry". I am not surprised at all. Odd local customs tangentially related to religious beliefs are legion in the hispanic culture. Although they often originate among those with less formal education, they often become widespread cultural norms and expectations. To this day, I get very odd looks when I nervously scurry to pick up a purse that a guest in my house has set on the floor, or to ask a child with a seashell in her pocket to leave it outside. Of course I know intellectually that dire consequences are not going to befall my household because someone set their purse on the floor or brought a seashell into my house, but these are nonetheless cultural practices of dubious and odd origins that become the norm. Still does not seem odd to me that peasants have these beliefs, even if they don't exist in other countries and we can't understand how they relate to Catholicism. How does Cuba's brujeria relate to Catholcism? It doesn't; but most practice it. No Venezuelan woman will ever set her purse on the floor or bring a seashell into your home, no matter the level of their education. Does that make sense? No. |
the pious among today’s Peruvian peasantry believe that Saint Francis has alighted on top of an active volcanoin any way other than that he's physically there. (The alternative—that Francis has changed from human to angelic form—really would be heresy at burned-at-the-stake levels, since Francis was human and it's an article of faith that angels are sinless, unchanging and unchanging beings of pure spirit). ‑ Iridescent 15:17, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Coropuna was considered to be the most important God (apu) of the region:
We have concurrently performed fieldwork and have gathered literature relevant to our research. Then, we have a lot of information about the Inca Santuaries in high mountains. Our Research is mainly about Ampato, Pichu Pichu, Calcha, Sara Sara, Hualca Hualca, Huarancante, Misti, coropuna and other volcanoes. So far, we have recovered and are keeping eight human bodies from: Ampato volcano (4 bodies), Pichu Pichu ( 3 bodies), and Sara Sara (1 body). As a result, of our research we now have a better understanding and conceptual framework about human sacrifices and offerings that were carried out by Inca as worship to the mountains (Apus).
we found out that Coropuna was considered the most important apu of the southern region, which was my question on the earlier clauses. We still can't be sure how they mean southern as relates to the rest of the article, so still think we can be less explicit on the wording here while getting the idea across. I think instead of "particularly important for the town of Cotahuasi", we can say "especially around the town of Cotahuasi", or "centered around the town of Cotahuasi", eliminating the question about, why more important there than elsewhere? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:58, 6 March 2020 (UTC)Dentro de la cosmovisión andina fue considerado apu o divinidad tutelar más importante de la región sur, en especial del pueblo de Cotahuasi, manifestaciones que continúan hasta nuestros tiempos.
OK, I'll stop for now … to ask if I am on the wrong track, and if I should attempt to rewrite the entire thing, going through all the sources, as in these samples. I think we have enough information in the sources to re-write all three paragraphs in the Mythology section, and bring more clarity, hopefully without getting me kicked off of Wikipedia sooner than next week, when I probably will be anyway :) SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 17:58, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
In the Inca Empire, Coropuna was a sacred mountain, [1] especially for the people of Cotahuasi. [2] It was regarded as the most important mountain deity ( apu) of the southern region, [3] and the second-most important in the cosmology of the Andes. [4] The mountain was considered to be an abode of the dead [5] – a large village where holy people received the souls of the departed, who lived there in the afterlife. [4] [6] In different mythologies Coropuna is instead the starting point for the deceased on a journey to Surimana [6] – the place where the local populations originated. [7] Sometimes Coropuna is seen as a male entity while Solimana volcano is seen as a female one. [8] Local people continue to observe these ancient mortuary rites today. [4]
An enduring Franciscan influence from a colonial-era Cusco friary, the "pious among today's Peruvian peasantry" revere a "Flying" St Francis of Assisi, who is believed to await the souls of the dead on top of Coropuna. [9] Other poorly recorded legends are associated with Coropuna. [10] One story narrates how a brother tried to deceive Coropuna and other mountains, and was turned into a deer. [11] Another legend tells of a conflict between Coropuna and other local mountains against an interloping Inca. [12] A third story states that a troupe was transporting precious metals for Coropuna and Solimana when the animal leading it was shot by a hunter; the mountains then castrated the hunter. [13]
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Iridescent, does this solve the problems? Jo-Jo, does this accurately reflect the sources? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 23:41, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Curiously, while looking at this source for the Mythology section, I realized for the first time that there was text in hidden sections there. Earlier, I thought the only text there was the limited amount at the top of the page. We do have enough information to write a sentence or two about tourism in the area, which I suggest we append to the Climbing section, renaming it to "Climbing and tourism". This goes back to my earlier concern that we don't explain why it's a tourist site and what draws people there, and that source does have some info, albeit hidden, on the topic. SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 18:05, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
...that were carried out in this edit by Tisquesusa. I am parking a general comment here that I've seen the questions there but will reply tomorrow owing to it being late in Switzerland. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 20:28, 13 March 2020 (UTC)