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Q: The prior debate on episode screen shots and discographies is not the same as this! This is a new debate, and needs to be decided on consensus!
A: While some might disagree, the issues are the same on a fundamental basis. The overuse of fair use images does not contribute to our mission. We must limit copyrighted material use as much as possible in order to further our progress towards our goals.
I have to say, as an old debater, I'm familiar with the technique of the purported FAQ. Asking and answering your own questions is spin.
Here is a question. Are you a Wikipedia Foundation member, or serving in a spokesperson capacity? -- 69.22.254.111 14:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm not here to debate fair use, I'm just wondering if all the exclamation points and "This is silly!"s and "That's impossible!"s are really necessary in the FAQ. It obviously makes your arguments more persuasive when they're juxtaposed with someone who apparently can't stop yelling and screaming like an irate 5 year old but it hardly seems fair or objective. It should only take a minute to change, and since people are apparently invoking this in edit summaries as a pseudo-policy/guideline it would be nice if such obvious bias was removed (if only to minimize the potential for more endless debates). Obviously you don't have to change it since this is part of your userpage, but since it seems you like to follow Wikipedia policies you might agree that it would be nice if this was NPOV. You make your point very well and I personally think a tactic like this just damages the credibility of the essay. Thanks. -- TM 18:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason for saying "Insulting these people will result in decidedly negative outcomes for your editing privileges if you persist in insulting them." - why not just say people can be blocked for personal attacks? Carcharoth 23:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Would you ever consider moving this and related guidelines to Wikipedia space? In userspace, it can feel more like a personal agenda, and it can also inhibit other people editing the guidelines, and it can seem less official. There are some very good points made here, but it could probably do with more eyes looking at it and contributing to it. Carcharoth 23:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I noticed while reading through this that you mention two times about Wikipedia policy being a "superset" of Fair Use law. However, this implies that Wikipedia policy actually extends beyond Fair Use law, rather than being a lesser set of it, as the context implies. Did you just slip up in your use of "superset" (instead intending to use "subset"), or am I missing some application or definition of the word? — Dino guy 1000 17:49, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
The "Other Wikipedias" section appears to be factually incorrect, at least when looking at m:Fair use. A large majority of other wikipedias listed there, allow for fair use images, and it is certainly not the case that all other wikipedias disallow non-free content. — PyTom ( talk) 07:49, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
An editor has recently been going around
removing images of currency notes from currency pages with the laconic justification of
WP:OVERUSE. This seems a severe stretch of the policy essay as stated here: eg. in the specific case of
Indonesian rupiah, there are no individual pages for the various notes, which means that the images cannot be used anywhere else either. As the policy essay says, "Multiple items are not used if one will suffice", but obviously an image of one note is not at all sufficient for illustrating a series of notes. Opinions?
Jpatokal (
talk) 12:05, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Essays Low‑impact | ||||||||||
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This page was nominated for deletion on 2009-05-12. The result of the discussion was Kept and moved to projectspace. |
Quote:
Q: The prior debate on episode screen shots and discographies is not the same as this! This is a new debate, and needs to be decided on consensus!
A: While some might disagree, the issues are the same on a fundamental basis. The overuse of fair use images does not contribute to our mission. We must limit copyrighted material use as much as possible in order to further our progress towards our goals.
I have to say, as an old debater, I'm familiar with the technique of the purported FAQ. Asking and answering your own questions is spin.
Here is a question. Are you a Wikipedia Foundation member, or serving in a spokesperson capacity? -- 69.22.254.111 14:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm not here to debate fair use, I'm just wondering if all the exclamation points and "This is silly!"s and "That's impossible!"s are really necessary in the FAQ. It obviously makes your arguments more persuasive when they're juxtaposed with someone who apparently can't stop yelling and screaming like an irate 5 year old but it hardly seems fair or objective. It should only take a minute to change, and since people are apparently invoking this in edit summaries as a pseudo-policy/guideline it would be nice if such obvious bias was removed (if only to minimize the potential for more endless debates). Obviously you don't have to change it since this is part of your userpage, but since it seems you like to follow Wikipedia policies you might agree that it would be nice if this was NPOV. You make your point very well and I personally think a tactic like this just damages the credibility of the essay. Thanks. -- TM 18:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason for saying "Insulting these people will result in decidedly negative outcomes for your editing privileges if you persist in insulting them." - why not just say people can be blocked for personal attacks? Carcharoth 23:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Would you ever consider moving this and related guidelines to Wikipedia space? In userspace, it can feel more like a personal agenda, and it can also inhibit other people editing the guidelines, and it can seem less official. There are some very good points made here, but it could probably do with more eyes looking at it and contributing to it. Carcharoth 23:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I noticed while reading through this that you mention two times about Wikipedia policy being a "superset" of Fair Use law. However, this implies that Wikipedia policy actually extends beyond Fair Use law, rather than being a lesser set of it, as the context implies. Did you just slip up in your use of "superset" (instead intending to use "subset"), or am I missing some application or definition of the word? — Dino guy 1000 17:49, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
The "Other Wikipedias" section appears to be factually incorrect, at least when looking at m:Fair use. A large majority of other wikipedias listed there, allow for fair use images, and it is certainly not the case that all other wikipedias disallow non-free content. — PyTom ( talk) 07:49, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
An editor has recently been going around
removing images of currency notes from currency pages with the laconic justification of
WP:OVERUSE. This seems a severe stretch of the policy essay as stated here: eg. in the specific case of
Indonesian rupiah, there are no individual pages for the various notes, which means that the images cannot be used anywhere else either. As the policy essay says, "Multiple items are not used if one will suffice", but obviously an image of one note is not at all sufficient for illustrating a series of notes. Opinions?
Jpatokal (
talk) 12:05, 9 May 2011 (UTC)