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New parameters
|discipline=
: select between
Men's singles,
Women's singles,
Pair skating, and
Ice dance. If a skater has changed disciplines, they get listed in REVERSE order from last to first, with the period added in parentheses from the second entry onwards.|years_competitive=
: period using the format 2010–2018 or 2010–present with an en dash (not a hyphen).|years_professional=
: period using the format 2010–2018 or 2010–present.|highest_WS=
: highest career world standing, using the format 1st (
2018–
2019).|medalrecord=
: to be combined with new medal template {{
Figure skating infobox medals}} and module {{
FS medal}}.Important content changes
|hometown=
: should only be included if different from birthplace.|coach=
: the CURRENT coach or team gets listed for ACTIVE skaters only.|skating club=
: the CURRENT main skating club gets listed for ACTIVE skaters only, using the format "skating club, location".|retired=
: only to be used for skaters who retired from skating ALTOGETHER, both competitive AND professional level, naming the year or official announcement date (e.g. "June 25, 2023" for
Johnny Weir).Obsolete parameters that will no longer be displayed
|residence=
: If the residence of a skater is notably different from the birth place or hometown, that information should be mentioned in the prose part of the article, supported by reliable secondary sources.|spouse=
: Spouses should be mentioned in the "private life" section, supported by RELIABLE secondary sources (no tabloids).|formercountry=
: to be merged into the |country=
parameter, listed in REVERSE order from last to first, with the period added in parentheses from the second entry onwards.|formerpartner=
: to be merged into the |partner=
parameter, listed in REVERSE order from last to first, with the period added in parentheses from the second entry onwards.|formercoach=
: to be moved to the prose part of the article, supported by reliable secondary sources.|(former)choreographer=
: to be added to program list, supported by reliable secondary sources.|traininglocations=
: to be merged into the |skating club=
parameter, using the format "skating club, location".|former skating club=
+ |formertraininglocations=
: to be moved to the prose part of the article, supported by reliable secondary sources.|highest_WS=
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Hi everyone!
I have been working on Hanyu's five new ice show articles lately. In the course of the page split, I have created two templates that might be valuable for other ice show articles as well:
Henni147 ( talk) 18:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi everyone, A question is why remove WTT medals in infoboxes? World Team Trophy is a figure skating team competition sanctioned by the International Skating Union. Why we can't putting medal informaton in infoboxes? I'm strongly suggest that we need add it. Thank you. Stevencocoboy ( talk) 05:37, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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@ Editor120918756, Henni147, Bgsu98, and Figureskatingfan: Hi everyone, World Team Trophy is a figure skating team competition sanctioned by the International Skating Union, nature same as Olympic, World Championships, Grand Prix Final and Four Continents Championships. I'm strongly suggest that we need add it. Thank you. Stevencocoboy ( talk) 07:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
UPDATE: Since Wikimedia got the collapsing issue for tables in mobile view fixed, I added the World Team Trophy to {{ Figure skating infobox medals}} and {{ FS medal}}. I see no other plausible reason to skip it now. Henni147 ( talk) 10:13, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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The collapse function of the medal list now also works in mobile view, which allows a longer list (not much though because the templates have a large transclusion size). For that reason, the (senior) National Championships (NC) and World Team Trophy (WTT) have been added to the {{ Figure skating infobox medals}} template.
Re-discuss Asian Winter Games
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ErnestKrause,
Figureskatingfan,
Bgsu98, and
Stevencocoboy:
Considering these aspects, I'd like to discuss whether we should keep that event in the infobox or only list it in the competitive highlights and detailed results section. I remember that the main argument for its inclusion was the high importance in Asia (like a small Olympics). Personally, I feel that this event doesn't belong to the infobox, particularly for the first reason. However, I do not want to make any decision without everyone's consent. Henni147 ( talk) 19:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Re-discuss World Team Trophy
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Henni147,
Figureskatingfan, and
Bgsu98:
Hi everyone, sorry my eng are badly because I'm from Hong Kong. In the order of WTT medals in {{
Figure skating infobox medals}} is behind than National Championships is make me shocked because World > National. Remember World Team Trophy is an international figure skating team competition sanctioned by the ISU. As the meaning is same as Olympic team event. I'll change it if no other plausible reason. Thanks.
Stevencocoboy (
talk)
06:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Re-discuss National Championships
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Henni147,
Figureskatingfan, and
Bgsu98:
Hi everyone, I'm open another a new topic. In my opinion, national Championships ARE NOT international figure skating competition and NOT sanctioned by the ISU which is unrepresentative. The medals in the infobox should be list the most international & important competition in figure skating, like olympic, world Championships, four Continents Championships, grand Prix Final, world Team Trophy(both in senior and junior). However, the main effect in national Championships are choosing national team members only, not specialist in others. The national Championships in medal infobox only list in senior but not include junior also make us confused. I'm suggest that the national information list in the detail results only enough and remove it in the medal infobox. Thanks.
Stevencocoboy (
talk)
07:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Yesterday, I realized how long and complicated the template's source code is if we sort the medals by discipline or represented country. My suggestion is the following simplification:
|country=
and |discpline=
in the {{
Infobox figure skater}} mandatory on all skaters' biographies. Country and discipline changes get listed there with exact years/seasons.
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Hi all,
As previously promised, I've started the process of improving how assessments are done for figure skating articles. It's similar to what other projects do. WikiProject Military History probably has the most extensive assessment procedure. I suggest that we use them as a model; see Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment. I also suggest that we use their A-Class Assessment as a guide as well. One of the most frustrating things about working on figure skating articles is that the peer-review system here at Wikipedia depends upon non-experts, which means that we often have to explain the basics of the sport and defend our policies and procedures over and over to reviewers. I recently ran into this issue again at DYK. I strongly believe that setting up our review system, as other projects have done, will decrease our frustration, increase the amount of high-quality articles and lists about figure skating, and motivate more editors to create and improve articles and lists.
To that end, I've created an article assessment table in one on my sandboxes: User:Figureskatingfan/Sandbox 3, based upon existing tables for all WikiProjects and upon the one Military History uses. Please make improvements as you see fit.
There are a few points of discussion I'd like to bring up now:
1. Examples: I tried to choose a wide variety of recently-promoted articles. Please replace them if you think of better choices.
2. How do we want A-class reviews to be conducted? I see two options:
a. A more formal process, like WP Military History ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/A-Class FAQ, with a coordinator elected regularly. Military History elects their coordinator yearly.
b. A less formal one; for example, an article would be promoted by consensus of at least three reviewers. Other WikiProjects handle their assessments this way. I'd support a more informal process, since I'm not sure that our project is large enough to handle a more formal one. If we went this way, we'd set up a way for articles and lists to be nominated, much like how GAN and FAC is done. I'm happy to set things up.
3. We would need to set up a detailed criteria specific to A-Class figure skating articles and lists, including our requirements for sources and tables, and to ensure that our style sheet/MOS is followed. Again, I'm happy to lead this endeavor.
Please discuss, and add discussion points I've missed. I think that improving our assessment process would make our lives so much easier and as I've already stated, increase the quality of our articles. Thanks for the consideration. Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 19:06, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
One exciting note: I discovered that the Washington Post has cited SkatingScores.com: [1]. I think, this a very good evidence for the reliability and notability of that website. Henni147 ( talk) 18:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
I have edited the following pages today so as to incorporate the new format style with regards to pairs and dance teams:
Let me know how they look! Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Bgsu98 and Henni147: What's wrong?Why suddenly changing the new format style with regards to pairs and dance teams?What's problem with the past version? Stevencocoboy ( talk) 06:15, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Bgsu98: I gave the template the more general title "FS skater" now. The old title "FS medalist" is still working, though, so you don't have to rename everything. Henni147 ( talk) 07:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Usually, I don't write any content-related stuff here on the project talk page, but this one may not be reported by the media in its full scope:
Today at the final stop of the Repray Tour, Yuzuru Hanyu performed a no-mistake solo show of two hours length with 12 programs and a choreographed 6-minute warm-up, adding up to almost 50 minutes net skating time. The technical content included 28 jumps (among them six quads, five triple Axels, and another 11 triples, all clean) as well as 20 spins, five competitive step and choreo sequences and another 22 field moves. One of the jump elements was a 4T+1Eu+3S+1Eu+3S combination, which has never been performed in competition. To put it into perspective: the technical content equals about three full free skates in men's singles.
I expect Japanese magazines and newspapers to publish some content summaries by Tuesday at the latest, but I don't know how much they will go into detail, so I wanted to compile the technical statistics here at least.
@ Figureskatingfan, Bgsu98, and Stevencocoboy: In the case that we get proper reports by reliable secondary sources, I feel that this exceptional feat deserves to be mentioned somewhere outside Hanyu's own series. I plan to create an article about professional figure skating (which is long overdue anyways), but it may also be suitable for the History of figure skating. What do you think? Henni147 ( talk) 12:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
108.26.172.49 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) has made over a thousand changes to skaters' articles about programs, usually removing info and altering birthdates. Since some of the birthdates proved to be wrong and they are providing no edit summaries, I rolled back what I could, 722 edits in all. Perhaps some of them are good, but it's going to take a group effort to truly scrutinize all of their edits and clean up articles where I couldn't use rollback. Jasper Deng (talk) 02:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
After waiting the requisite seven days for further feedback, I went ahead and created Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Assessment/A-Class review. It's not completely finished; I needed to update our project banner, so I'm waiting for it to be transcluded to continue. I also want to nominate an article to test everything, which I will also do when the previous task is completed. Please look it over to see if there are any errors or anything that needs to be added or removed.
I also updated the criteria chart at Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Assessment. Please look over that as well.
I'm very excited that we're moving forward on running our own A-class assessments. I think it will make our lives easier and make it possible for more high-quality figure skating articles and lists. Thanks to all who helped! Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 20:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
In the context of article assessment, I'd also like to give a quick update on the FS Manual of Style:
I hope to be able to complete the main MOS and terminology sub-page this weekend at the latest, so that we have a complete guide for A-class reviews from now. Henni147 ( talk) 16:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
This article is a disaster, starting with the fact that it is grossly out-of-date. Suggestions? Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
I have the following recommendations for the layout of the competitions table that we are currently using. It wouldn't require any changes to the current template. I suggest listing the competitions in the following order:
See Jeremy Abbott for an example. The national championships are prestigious and should be ranked higher than they currently are.
The junior table would reflect the following order:
Any feedback is appreciated. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Bgsu98 and Henni147: It's ridiculous and disappointment. You've open a post just nine days and unauthorized changes the infobox quickly. You ignore the opinions by other wiki users and should be waiting more times. WTT should be in higher place. I also don't know why NC list in the infobox and it's unrepresentative. The goal in NC will choose team members only and represent their countries outing the competition. I never see any NC medals list in the infobox in other sports. The place in WTT is lower than NC are really ridiculous. Remember WTT is international competition and organize by ISU. To a certain extent WTT as same as World Championships in team event because it's not include team event in WC. That means WTT = WC team event version. My opinion in the following order:
Stevencocoboy ( talk) 04:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
I had made this world standings page a while back, but seems no one's filled it in. I certainly don't have the time to do so. Am placing the draft here in case someone would like to complete it. /info/en/?search=Draft:2022%E2%80%9323_ISU_World_Standings_and_Season%27s_World_Ranking
Same goes for the latest 2023-24 rankings, I am guessing. Editor120918756 ( talk) 07:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Figureskatingfan: With some delay, I finally completed our new terminology guide for figure skating articles, accessible with the shortcut WP:FS TERM. To have some structure for easy navigation, I sorted the terms by topic as follows:
I listed the main sources at the top of the page and placed specific sources in the respective sections. I would be very happy if you took another look and added missing sources if you notice any. It took quite some time to compile everything, but I hope that it was worth the effort and helps at future article reviews :) I will tackle the main FS MOS next and update all the tables etc. Henni147 ( talk) 21:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Update: I created this new template {{
Archived reflist}}, which can be added at the top of a talk page for articles where all cited online sources have been archived at the Wayback Machine or a similar tool. The markup code {{Archived reflist}}
renders as follows (the date ist added automatically):
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Bgsu98 has been deleting dozens of skater biographies and I don't think WP:PRODPATROL is well equipped to evaluate WP:NSKATE or handle the volume of proposed deletions involved here. If other project members are able to help review these, that would be appreciated. This list is probably the best place to monitor this activity. ~ Kvng ( talk) 16:35, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello everyone, wanted to let you know that our A-class review system has been successfully set up. I've submitted Yuna Kim for our very first one. It needs at least three reviewers, so if you're interested, please go to: Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Assessment/Yuna Kim. Thanks and have fun! Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 21:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Folks, I'd like to submit another suggestion to you all: that we revamp our project page. To be honest, I've never really liked it. It's difficult to navigate and difficult to edit, with all the subpages. There are sections no one uses anymore, not for years. I believe that WikiProject pages should be easy to use and change, so I'd like to lead the effort of making our more user-friendly. If this is acceptable to enough members, I can start a revamp on one of my sandboxes later this week. If I do it, I'd need some help with navigation tabs and tables. So please discuss! Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 21:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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I believe that I am finished, with Henni's assistance, with this revamp. Please look at the draft of the main page [2], and if everyone finds it acceptable, I can move it over to mainspace. There's one more task to do: revise and update Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Tasks. That's more of a clean-up task, so it's my intention to tackle it in piecemeal, as I have the time and motivation. If anyone wants to help, please do so. I think we've done a pretty good job! Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 17:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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@ Figureskatingfan: Updates:
Note: In the case that we decide to use this format, I volunteer to curate the listed sections. Henni147 ( talk) 18:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Update: Just completed, as promised, adding content to the "About figure skating" section. I took much of it, with adaptations, from the lead of Figure skating. Looks like we're pretty much done now! Thanks to all who participated in the effort. Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 18:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Note: I just checked the article for the 2024 World Figure Skating Championships, and I noticed the following issues:
The focus should really be more on the quality of the prose, which is missing in almost every FS competition article I checked. Henni147 ( talk) 10:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
There are a number of articles listed for possible deletion here. Anyone is welcome to offer their opinions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
@ Figureskatingfan: This first A-class review made me realize that our current "expert" policy for A-class reviews might be too narrow. It is already difficult to find skating experts for reviews at all, not to mention experts who have contributed to FA/GA/A-class articles already. My suggestions are the following:
What do you think about this adjustment?
PS Important note regarding assessment classes: WikiProject Figure Skating (and Wikipedia in general) only has two assessment classes for list articles, namely list class and
featured list class. The WikiProject Military History has created more assessment classes for lists, but we don't have them, and I don't think that it's needed for figure skating.
Henni147 (
talk)
09:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
This may be bordering on WP:NOTFORUM, but I'll give it a try. I just finished watching the 2022 Olympics, spoiler-free, but could only find the full-broadcast YouTube editions without commentary. Unfortunately these don't include the graphics which display the abbreviated elements like "Lz", "Lo", etc. immediately after they are performed.
Not being an expert myself, I was left completely in the dark as to what jumps were being performed (except for the obvious Axel). Therefore after I finished watching the event, I was hoping to find detailed breakdowns of these elements on, say, Trusova's or Hanyu's articles, but found none; only the music they used.
Again, this is a bit WP:NOTFORUM, but as it pertains to a lack of information on a WP article, I don't think it's egregious to ask for a location where such info could be found, or if they could start being added to articles. Are there sources on the skaters' articles for this? Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 19:56, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi all, and especially User:Figureskatingfan (cause you're an old hand at this): can you please have a look at this article and its recent history, to see if various edits are legit? If you can help improve the article with properly verified material that would be great. Thanks! Drmies ( talk) 16:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
What on earth is this, besides a giant mess of original research and synthesis of sources? Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
HI everyone, just a reminder that Yuna Kim's A-class assessment is in need of another reviewer. It's been humming along, with two great reviews thus far, but in order to move forward and reach a successful close, we need one more. Please help out if you're able to. I'll try making personal requests, as well. Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 22:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
What is the consensus on when WD should be indicated on skaters’ competitive highlights tables? If a skater hasn’t entered the competition and subsequently withdrawn (for example, after the short program), I don’t believe there’s any need to include it. Lots of skaters sign up for or are assigned to competitions, but never compete, sometimes withdrawing months in advance. Additionally, results tables (ISU, Skating Scores) don’t reflect these withdrawals. They just unnecessarily clutter up the tables. See Cha Jun-hwan for an example of what I mean. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
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New parameters
|discipline=
: select between
Men's singles,
Women's singles,
Pair skating, and
Ice dance. If a skater has changed disciplines, they get listed in REVERSE order from last to first, with the period added in parentheses from the second entry onwards.|years_competitive=
: period using the format 2010–2018 or 2010–present with an en dash (not a hyphen).|years_professional=
: period using the format 2010–2018 or 2010–present.|highest_WS=
: highest career world standing, using the format 1st (
2018–
2019).|medalrecord=
: to be combined with new medal template {{
Figure skating infobox medals}} and module {{
FS medal}}.Important content changes
|hometown=
: should only be included if different from birthplace.|coach=
: the CURRENT coach or team gets listed for ACTIVE skaters only.|skating club=
: the CURRENT main skating club gets listed for ACTIVE skaters only, using the format "skating club, location".|retired=
: only to be used for skaters who retired from skating ALTOGETHER, both competitive AND professional level, naming the year or official announcement date (e.g. "June 25, 2023" for
Johnny Weir).Obsolete parameters that will no longer be displayed
|residence=
: If the residence of a skater is notably different from the birth place or hometown, that information should be mentioned in the prose part of the article, supported by reliable secondary sources.|spouse=
: Spouses should be mentioned in the "private life" section, supported by RELIABLE secondary sources (no tabloids).|formercountry=
: to be merged into the |country=
parameter, listed in REVERSE order from last to first, with the period added in parentheses from the second entry onwards.|formerpartner=
: to be merged into the |partner=
parameter, listed in REVERSE order from last to first, with the period added in parentheses from the second entry onwards.|formercoach=
: to be moved to the prose part of the article, supported by reliable secondary sources.|(former)choreographer=
: to be added to program list, supported by reliable secondary sources.|traininglocations=
: to be merged into the |skating club=
parameter, using the format "skating club, location".|former skating club=
+ |formertraininglocations=
: to be moved to the prose part of the article, supported by reliable secondary sources.|highest_WS=
.Last edited by Henni147 ( talk) 08:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi everyone!
I have been working on Hanyu's five new ice show articles lately. In the course of the page split, I have created two templates that might be valuable for other ice show articles as well:
Henni147 ( talk) 18:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi everyone, A question is why remove WTT medals in infoboxes? World Team Trophy is a figure skating team competition sanctioned by the International Skating Union. Why we can't putting medal informaton in infoboxes? I'm strongly suggest that we need add it. Thank you. Stevencocoboy ( talk) 05:37, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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@ Editor120918756, Henni147, Bgsu98, and Figureskatingfan: Hi everyone, World Team Trophy is a figure skating team competition sanctioned by the International Skating Union, nature same as Olympic, World Championships, Grand Prix Final and Four Continents Championships. I'm strongly suggest that we need add it. Thank you. Stevencocoboy ( talk) 07:17, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
UPDATE: Since Wikimedia got the collapsing issue for tables in mobile view fixed, I added the World Team Trophy to {{ Figure skating infobox medals}} and {{ FS medal}}. I see no other plausible reason to skip it now. Henni147 ( talk) 10:13, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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The collapse function of the medal list now also works in mobile view, which allows a longer list (not much though because the templates have a large transclusion size). For that reason, the (senior) National Championships (NC) and World Team Trophy (WTT) have been added to the {{ Figure skating infobox medals}} template.
Re-discuss Asian Winter Games
@
ErnestKrause,
Figureskatingfan,
Bgsu98, and
Stevencocoboy:
Considering these aspects, I'd like to discuss whether we should keep that event in the infobox or only list it in the competitive highlights and detailed results section. I remember that the main argument for its inclusion was the high importance in Asia (like a small Olympics). Personally, I feel that this event doesn't belong to the infobox, particularly for the first reason. However, I do not want to make any decision without everyone's consent. Henni147 ( talk) 19:41, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Re-discuss World Team Trophy
@
Henni147,
Figureskatingfan, and
Bgsu98:
Hi everyone, sorry my eng are badly because I'm from Hong Kong. In the order of WTT medals in {{
Figure skating infobox medals}} is behind than National Championships is make me shocked because World > National. Remember World Team Trophy is an international figure skating team competition sanctioned by the ISU. As the meaning is same as Olympic team event. I'll change it if no other plausible reason. Thanks.
Stevencocoboy (
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06:01, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Re-discuss National Championships
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Henni147,
Figureskatingfan, and
Bgsu98:
Hi everyone, I'm open another a new topic. In my opinion, national Championships ARE NOT international figure skating competition and NOT sanctioned by the ISU which is unrepresentative. The medals in the infobox should be list the most international & important competition in figure skating, like olympic, world Championships, four Continents Championships, grand Prix Final, world Team Trophy(both in senior and junior). However, the main effect in national Championships are choosing national team members only, not specialist in others. The national Championships in medal infobox only list in senior but not include junior also make us confused. I'm suggest that the national information list in the detail results only enough and remove it in the medal infobox. Thanks.
Stevencocoboy (
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07:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Yesterday, I realized how long and complicated the template's source code is if we sort the medals by discipline or represented country. My suggestion is the following simplification:
|country=
and |discpline=
in the {{
Infobox figure skater}} mandatory on all skaters' biographies. Country and discipline changes get listed there with exact years/seasons.
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Hi all,
As previously promised, I've started the process of improving how assessments are done for figure skating articles. It's similar to what other projects do. WikiProject Military History probably has the most extensive assessment procedure. I suggest that we use them as a model; see Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment. I also suggest that we use their A-Class Assessment as a guide as well. One of the most frustrating things about working on figure skating articles is that the peer-review system here at Wikipedia depends upon non-experts, which means that we often have to explain the basics of the sport and defend our policies and procedures over and over to reviewers. I recently ran into this issue again at DYK. I strongly believe that setting up our review system, as other projects have done, will decrease our frustration, increase the amount of high-quality articles and lists about figure skating, and motivate more editors to create and improve articles and lists.
To that end, I've created an article assessment table in one on my sandboxes: User:Figureskatingfan/Sandbox 3, based upon existing tables for all WikiProjects and upon the one Military History uses. Please make improvements as you see fit.
There are a few points of discussion I'd like to bring up now:
1. Examples: I tried to choose a wide variety of recently-promoted articles. Please replace them if you think of better choices.
2. How do we want A-class reviews to be conducted? I see two options:
a. A more formal process, like WP Military History ( Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/A-Class FAQ, with a coordinator elected regularly. Military History elects their coordinator yearly.
b. A less formal one; for example, an article would be promoted by consensus of at least three reviewers. Other WikiProjects handle their assessments this way. I'd support a more informal process, since I'm not sure that our project is large enough to handle a more formal one. If we went this way, we'd set up a way for articles and lists to be nominated, much like how GAN and FAC is done. I'm happy to set things up.
3. We would need to set up a detailed criteria specific to A-Class figure skating articles and lists, including our requirements for sources and tables, and to ensure that our style sheet/MOS is followed. Again, I'm happy to lead this endeavor.
Please discuss, and add discussion points I've missed. I think that improving our assessment process would make our lives so much easier and as I've already stated, increase the quality of our articles. Thanks for the consideration. Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 19:06, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
One exciting note: I discovered that the Washington Post has cited SkatingScores.com: [1]. I think, this a very good evidence for the reliability and notability of that website. Henni147 ( talk) 18:00, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
I have edited the following pages today so as to incorporate the new format style with regards to pairs and dance teams:
Let me know how they look! Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Bgsu98 and Henni147: What's wrong?Why suddenly changing the new format style with regards to pairs and dance teams?What's problem with the past version? Stevencocoboy ( talk) 06:15, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Bgsu98: I gave the template the more general title "FS skater" now. The old title "FS medalist" is still working, though, so you don't have to rename everything. Henni147 ( talk) 07:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Usually, I don't write any content-related stuff here on the project talk page, but this one may not be reported by the media in its full scope:
Today at the final stop of the Repray Tour, Yuzuru Hanyu performed a no-mistake solo show of two hours length with 12 programs and a choreographed 6-minute warm-up, adding up to almost 50 minutes net skating time. The technical content included 28 jumps (among them six quads, five triple Axels, and another 11 triples, all clean) as well as 20 spins, five competitive step and choreo sequences and another 22 field moves. One of the jump elements was a 4T+1Eu+3S+1Eu+3S combination, which has never been performed in competition. To put it into perspective: the technical content equals about three full free skates in men's singles.
I expect Japanese magazines and newspapers to publish some content summaries by Tuesday at the latest, but I don't know how much they will go into detail, so I wanted to compile the technical statistics here at least.
@ Figureskatingfan, Bgsu98, and Stevencocoboy: In the case that we get proper reports by reliable secondary sources, I feel that this exceptional feat deserves to be mentioned somewhere outside Hanyu's own series. I plan to create an article about professional figure skating (which is long overdue anyways), but it may also be suitable for the History of figure skating. What do you think? Henni147 ( talk) 12:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
108.26.172.49 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) has made over a thousand changes to skaters' articles about programs, usually removing info and altering birthdates. Since some of the birthdates proved to be wrong and they are providing no edit summaries, I rolled back what I could, 722 edits in all. Perhaps some of them are good, but it's going to take a group effort to truly scrutinize all of their edits and clean up articles where I couldn't use rollback. Jasper Deng (talk) 02:17, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
After waiting the requisite seven days for further feedback, I went ahead and created Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Assessment/A-Class review. It's not completely finished; I needed to update our project banner, so I'm waiting for it to be transcluded to continue. I also want to nominate an article to test everything, which I will also do when the previous task is completed. Please look it over to see if there are any errors or anything that needs to be added or removed.
I also updated the criteria chart at Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Assessment. Please look over that as well.
I'm very excited that we're moving forward on running our own A-class assessments. I think it will make our lives easier and make it possible for more high-quality figure skating articles and lists. Thanks to all who helped! Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 20:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
In the context of article assessment, I'd also like to give a quick update on the FS Manual of Style:
I hope to be able to complete the main MOS and terminology sub-page this weekend at the latest, so that we have a complete guide for A-class reviews from now. Henni147 ( talk) 16:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
This article is a disaster, starting with the fact that it is grossly out-of-date. Suggestions? Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
I have the following recommendations for the layout of the competitions table that we are currently using. It wouldn't require any changes to the current template. I suggest listing the competitions in the following order:
See Jeremy Abbott for an example. The national championships are prestigious and should be ranked higher than they currently are.
The junior table would reflect the following order:
Any feedback is appreciated. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Bgsu98 and Henni147: It's ridiculous and disappointment. You've open a post just nine days and unauthorized changes the infobox quickly. You ignore the opinions by other wiki users and should be waiting more times. WTT should be in higher place. I also don't know why NC list in the infobox and it's unrepresentative. The goal in NC will choose team members only and represent their countries outing the competition. I never see any NC medals list in the infobox in other sports. The place in WTT is lower than NC are really ridiculous. Remember WTT is international competition and organize by ISU. To a certain extent WTT as same as World Championships in team event because it's not include team event in WC. That means WTT = WC team event version. My opinion in the following order:
Stevencocoboy ( talk) 04:30, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
I had made this world standings page a while back, but seems no one's filled it in. I certainly don't have the time to do so. Am placing the draft here in case someone would like to complete it. /info/en/?search=Draft:2022%E2%80%9323_ISU_World_Standings_and_Season%27s_World_Ranking
Same goes for the latest 2023-24 rankings, I am guessing. Editor120918756 ( talk) 07:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Figureskatingfan: With some delay, I finally completed our new terminology guide for figure skating articles, accessible with the shortcut WP:FS TERM. To have some structure for easy navigation, I sorted the terms by topic as follows:
I listed the main sources at the top of the page and placed specific sources in the respective sections. I would be very happy if you took another look and added missing sources if you notice any. It took quite some time to compile everything, but I hope that it was worth the effort and helps at future article reviews :) I will tackle the main FS MOS next and update all the tables etc. Henni147 ( talk) 21:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Update: I created this new template {{
Archived reflist}}, which can be added at the top of a talk page for articles where all cited online sources have been archived at the Wayback Machine or a similar tool. The markup code {{Archived reflist}}
renders as follows (the date ist added automatically):
![]() | As of June 2024, all cited online sources and external links in this article have been archived using the Internet Archive Wayback Machine, archive.today or another web archive. |
Bgsu98 has been deleting dozens of skater biographies and I don't think WP:PRODPATROL is well equipped to evaluate WP:NSKATE or handle the volume of proposed deletions involved here. If other project members are able to help review these, that would be appreciated. This list is probably the best place to monitor this activity. ~ Kvng ( talk) 16:35, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello everyone, wanted to let you know that our A-class review system has been successfully set up. I've submitted Yuna Kim for our very first one. It needs at least three reviewers, so if you're interested, please go to: Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Assessment/Yuna Kim. Thanks and have fun! Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 21:39, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Folks, I'd like to submit another suggestion to you all: that we revamp our project page. To be honest, I've never really liked it. It's difficult to navigate and difficult to edit, with all the subpages. There are sections no one uses anymore, not for years. I believe that WikiProject pages should be easy to use and change, so I'd like to lead the effort of making our more user-friendly. If this is acceptable to enough members, I can start a revamp on one of my sandboxes later this week. If I do it, I'd need some help with navigation tabs and tables. So please discuss! Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 21:53, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
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I believe that I am finished, with Henni's assistance, with this revamp. Please look at the draft of the main page [2], and if everyone finds it acceptable, I can move it over to mainspace. There's one more task to do: revise and update Wikipedia:WikiProject Figure Skating/Tasks. That's more of a clean-up task, so it's my intention to tackle it in piecemeal, as I have the time and motivation. If anyone wants to help, please do so. I think we've done a pretty good job! Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 17:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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@ Figureskatingfan: Updates:
Note: In the case that we decide to use this format, I volunteer to curate the listed sections. Henni147 ( talk) 18:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Update: Just completed, as promised, adding content to the "About figure skating" section. I took much of it, with adaptations, from the lead of Figure skating. Looks like we're pretty much done now! Thanks to all who participated in the effort. Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 18:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
Note: I just checked the article for the 2024 World Figure Skating Championships, and I noticed the following issues:
The focus should really be more on the quality of the prose, which is missing in almost every FS competition article I checked. Henni147 ( talk) 10:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
There are a number of articles listed for possible deletion here. Anyone is welcome to offer their opinions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:51, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
@ Figureskatingfan: This first A-class review made me realize that our current "expert" policy for A-class reviews might be too narrow. It is already difficult to find skating experts for reviews at all, not to mention experts who have contributed to FA/GA/A-class articles already. My suggestions are the following:
What do you think about this adjustment?
PS Important note regarding assessment classes: WikiProject Figure Skating (and Wikipedia in general) only has two assessment classes for list articles, namely list class and
featured list class. The WikiProject Military History has created more assessment classes for lists, but we don't have them, and I don't think that it's needed for figure skating.
Henni147 (
talk)
09:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
This may be bordering on WP:NOTFORUM, but I'll give it a try. I just finished watching the 2022 Olympics, spoiler-free, but could only find the full-broadcast YouTube editions without commentary. Unfortunately these don't include the graphics which display the abbreviated elements like "Lz", "Lo", etc. immediately after they are performed.
Not being an expert myself, I was left completely in the dark as to what jumps were being performed (except for the obvious Axel). Therefore after I finished watching the event, I was hoping to find detailed breakdowns of these elements on, say, Trusova's or Hanyu's articles, but found none; only the music they used.
Again, this is a bit WP:NOTFORUM, but as it pertains to a lack of information on a WP article, I don't think it's egregious to ask for a location where such info could be found, or if they could start being added to articles. Are there sources on the skaters' articles for this? Mac Dreamstate ( talk) 19:56, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi all, and especially User:Figureskatingfan (cause you're an old hand at this): can you please have a look at this article and its recent history, to see if various edits are legit? If you can help improve the article with properly verified material that would be great. Thanks! Drmies ( talk) 16:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
What on earth is this, besides a giant mess of original research and synthesis of sources? Bgsu98 (Talk) 22:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
HI everyone, just a reminder that Yuna Kim's A-class assessment is in need of another reviewer. It's been humming along, with two great reviews thus far, but in order to move forward and reach a successful close, we need one more. Please help out if you're able to. I'll try making personal requests, as well. Christine (Figureskatingfan) ( talk) 22:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
What is the consensus on when WD should be indicated on skaters’ competitive highlights tables? If a skater hasn’t entered the competition and subsequently withdrawn (for example, after the short program), I don’t believe there’s any need to include it. Lots of skaters sign up for or are assigned to competitions, but never compete, sometimes withdrawing months in advance. Additionally, results tables (ISU, Skating Scores) don’t reflect these withdrawals. They just unnecessarily clutter up the tables. See Cha Jun-hwan for an example of what I mean. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)