Once again, I draw your attention to Wikipedia:Esperanza/December 2005 elections and its corresponding talk page. If you are interested in running, please make sure to sign up by December 15. Elections will start on December 16 and will run for two weeks. Comments are appreciated. Thanks! Flcelloguy ( A note?) 16:47, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Speaking of the member list, since only members registered before December 12 can vote, should the membership list be locked, like it was during the last election? New members can request to be added on the talk page... Tito xd( ?!? - did you read this?) 20:33, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Shouldnt we put up a big ad for these elections on the main esperanza page? To increase voter turnout? Ban e s 06:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Like the alternate Portuguese name? ε γκυκλοπαίδεια * (talk) 16:53, 10 December 2005 (UTC) 20:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I went around Wikipedia today and scavenged out a new fresh batch of users that have went on wikibreak. I have posted them on the Alerts page. — Moe ε 02:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Some updates: candidates for the elections must be registered by December 15, so if you plan to run, act now. (Just a friendly reminder!) Also, you should have received a message on your talk page in the past few days regarding Esperanza; from now on, all Esperanzians will receive these important messages regarding our organization. If you do not wish to receive any more messages, please list yourself at WP:ESP/S. Special thanks to Redvers, who has been filling in as our messenger, as Redwolf24 is taking a well-deserved wiki-break. In addition, I have created an announcement board at Wikipedia:Esperanza/to_do, which is transcluded to the main page. I urge all Esperanzians to place that page on your watchlist, in order to be aware of news and announcements. Finally, you will receive a message in the upcoming days both reminding you about the elections and announcing some exciting news. Many thanks! Flcelloguy ( A note?) 01:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Can I join? I think what you lot are doing is brilliant. I have been an admirere of the 'pedia since I came to university in America a few years ago. Also I noticed from your page history you've had three Adminitrator Generals? Why so many and why aren't these guys active (Essjay, Redwolf, and Carriker) now? User:4micah
Would you consider contributing? Or how about voting for it as collaboration of the week for this new but important article.-- Culturesoftheworld 19:36, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Essjay just blanked his talk page and deleted his user page. 132.162.209.220 20:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
has been deleted? Why? —
Moe
ε
21:02, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
What happened here? Member of Esperanza, Admin, and December 2005 election canidate gone? — Moe ε 04:07, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to resign from Esperanza, but there is a "View Source" link so I couldn't remove it. Please remove my name. Thanks. I'll keep the link to Esperanza in my sig, though. ε γκυκλοπ αίδεια * 18:30, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Ooh, yummy. Many thanks, Santa! -- User:Jenmoa 22:23, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
FireFox has told me I can't join right now due to elections. However, can I just say I have a lot of interest in this project, and I plan to join ASAP. Compu ter Joe 17:46, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I think that would be the big issue once the new 'government' of Esperanza joins in. I am in favor of a massive admendment offered by some users what describes what to do in the case of an resignation. Wikizach 17:54, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Admending the Charter Inserting a New Section
In the event that the Admin General should resign, the member of the Advisory Committee with the most votes in any one of the previous two elections shall immediately take office. In the case of a tie, the members of the Advisory Committee shall elect one of it's members to serve as an 'Acting Admin General' until the next elections take place. In the event that any Advisory Committee member should resign, that spot shall remain open until the next series of elections, as defined by the Esperanza Charter. The member winning this seat shall hold the seat for the remainder of the prior candidate's term, or if this term has expired, for a full term as defined by the Esperanza Charter.
One thing that I might add, we need to extend the Advisory Council's terms, so that voting is less often. The more voting, politics, and campaigning, the more Wikipedia becomes more of a Congressional Blog. Let's talk about this more as the new year approches. Wikizach 23:25, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
It seems to not make sense to be allowed to cast one vote for everyone that is running. Doesn't that make the votes technically null and void? That would be like being able to cast a vote for the Republican presidential candidate, one for the Democrat and one for the Independent candidate. I think that it would be more fair and equitable to only be allowed to cast one vote for Admin. General and 3 votes for the assembly for each Esperanzian voting. I doubt we would have such close elections and have to have tie-breakers if our votes were restricted as such. Any thoughts? Maltmomma (chat) 18:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
(another edit conflict) LV, an RfA is different because you're not running against someone. I agree that Esperanza's main goal is to increase support and a sense of community but what about the person who votes for everyone except one person. How does that make that person feel and as Firefox said, would indeed increase their Wikistress. I just think this needs to be looked at before the next election to make it fair and equitable to all involved. I certainly don't have all the answers but I don't think that this is the best way to handle the elections. Maltmomma (chat) 20:19, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Just a little note with my two cents; I started the current voting system when I administered the first set of elections, and I set it up exactly the way I did because I felt it would be better than having Esperanza, the association dedicated to making Wikipedia a better and happier place, cause people to leave. Members who choose to vote for all candidates know that their votes won't affect the outcome; if they choose to do that, then why should anyone stop them? Would it be preferable for them to refuse to vote instead, to avoid choosing between good friends and candidates they feel are equally qualified? (Which is what I would do if forced.) Granted, I can't vote because I am a former Admin General, but if I could vote under the current system, I would vote for all candidates, whether my vote counted or not, as a demonstration of my faith in them. Let the voters use thier votes how they choose to, the outcome is the same: Those with the highest number of votes will win, whether that number is five because everyone boycotted the vote in order to avoid choosing between good friends, or if it is five hundred because four hundred and ninty-five members voted for every candidate. Better to avoid the hurt feelings. -- Essjay · Talk 01:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps this is just me clamoring for attention, but wouldn't it be appropriate to have a listing of former Admins General and AC members somewhere, to recognize and remember those who have served? -- Essjay · Talk 14:25, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
It's all well and good that we have a calendar to put all important dates and events on, and it's also all well and good that the day names are displayed at the top of each month on the calender. This obviously is going to cause some problems when a new year arises, as of course the date-numbers are not going to match the day-names any longer. With only two days left until 2006, this needs to be fixed either by:
We need to decide which of those paths to take... that is, if someone has already created a 2006 calender that I'm not aware of. Fir e Fox 15:04, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi, a few of us have founded a micronation (basically an imaginary country), called Tirben. It's open to all Wikipedians, and the general idea of fostering community by building an imaginary country fits in nicely with the principles of Esperanza. You're all invited to participate! See tirben.starglade.org. Talrias ( t | e | c) 01:14, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
(cross-posted to the Esperanza mailing list. If you haven't joined yet, please email myself or Celestianpower. Thanks!)
Fellow Esperanzians,
Well, here we are - the conclusion of another year and another election. Looking back upon this year, we've had a great and momentous journey here at Esperanza. From our beginnings, we've come together and emerged as an organization dedicated to promoting Wiki-love within Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia. We've had our charter approved, and we've had two successful elections. We've had several leaders, all of whom have dedicated time and effort into helping this organization grow. We've gone through turbulent times, but have emerged stronger as a group. Our membership has grown steadily ever since our beginnings, and bright times lay ahead of us.
On that note, I'm pleased to announce the results of our recently-concluded election. Our incumbent administrator general, Essjay, who has just recently returned from a lengthy-wikibreak, has certified the results of this election, and I too, as a member of your advisory council, also declare this election to be fair and officially complete. That being said, let me thank everyone who helped with the election, distributing messages, updating the vote tally, checking for discrepancies, and doing a whole lot more. The "lovely election staff", as coined last time, was a huge help and must be thanked for their effort. In addition, a huge thanks to everyone who voted, showing that you cared about Esperanza. Without the voters, this election would not have been possible. Finally, last but not least, a *HUGE* thank you to all of the candidates. Every one of you showed dedication and ambition by choosing to run. Remember, it's not important who wins or loses, and I - and all of us here at Esperanza - have faith in all of you to serve.
So, without further ado, the winners:
Administrator General - Celestianpower, who will serve until the end of the new year Members of the advisory council - Titoxd, FireFox, and Karmafist. The three will be joining myself on the advisory council. Titoxd and FireFox will serve until the end of April, and Karmafist will serve with myself until the end of February. Congratulations to all the winners! I look forward to working with all of you to advance Esperanza.
Finally, one last thank you - thank you to all who have lead Esperanza in the past. Essjay, JCarriker, Redwolf24, Bratsche, Acetic Acid, and RN - in no particular order- have served as our leaders this past year and have done a tremendous job. Their efforts must be applauded; I salute each and every one of them for their dedication, and now I turn to salute those who will lead us in the future. Remember - the future is bright here at Esperanza, and I look forward to joining the winners of this election in guiding it down the long and winding path and across hurdles that will indubitably face not only Esperanza but Wikipedia.
Esperanzially,
Flcelloguy (
A note?)
16:03, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Taken straight from Bratsche's fantastic work, I bring you the Esperanza welcome, for everyone who signs up. I will be doing this as much as I can but if I miss someone, please add this to their user talk page:
{{ EA-welcome}}
Which produces:
Welcome, Esperanza/Archive 6, to Esperanza, the Wikipedia member association! As you might know, all the Esperanzians share one important goal: the success of this encyclopedia. Within that, we then attempt to strengthen the community bonds, and be the "approachable" side of the project. All of our ideals are held in the Charter, the governing document of the association.
Now that you are a member you should read the guide to what to do now or you may be interested in some of our programs. A quite important program is the StressUnit, which seeks to support editors who have encountered any stress from their Wikipedia events, and are seeking to leave the project. So far, Esperanza can be credited with the support and retention of several users. Redwolf24 runs the spam to keep members up to date. Also, we have a calendar of special events, member birthdays, and other holidays that you can add to and follow.
In addition to these projects, several more missions of Esperanza are in development, and are currently being created at Esperanza/Possibles.
I encourage you to take an active voice in the running of Esperanza. We have a small government system, headed by our Administrator general, Celestianpower, and guided by the Advisory Committee comprised of FireFox, Flcelloguy. Titoxd, and Karmafist. The next set of elections will be February 28, and I would be glad to see you vote, or even consider running for a position.
If you have any other questions, concerns, comments, or general ideas, Esperanzian or otherwise, know that you can always contact Celestianpower by email or talk page or the Esperanza talk page. Alternatively, you could communicate with fellow users via our IRC channel, #wikipedia-esperanza (which is also good for a fun chat or two :). I thank you for joining Esperanza, and look forward to working with you in making Wikipedia a better place to work!
Thank you. -- Cel e stianpower háblame 18:45, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there something way back when Esperanza was first starting about a review of the charter and "governmental" process when we hit 150 members? Well, we've reached that milestone. Shall we do a self-inspection, or is that just me remembering something else?? Thanks, Bratsche talk | Esperanza 05:40, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Before we can amend or change anything, someone must provide the actual wording that needs to be amended. Once there, if we don't reach a consensus soon, then we will hold a refferendum (maybe as a third question in the Feburary Adv. Comm. elecions)
Wikizach 21:48, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
How do I join Esperanza? A while back, when I was just curious about what Esperanza was, there was a membership list on the main page, but I never got around to joining, and now, when I want to join, I can't find the list. smurrayinchester( User), ( Talk) 17:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
There has been some discussion at Wikipedia talk:Missing Wikipedians regarding the length of time a user must be gone before being added to the list and whether a user can add himself to the list as his last edit. Some suggestions have been discussed, but no concensus has been reached, as evidenced by occasional edit wars and questions posed on the talk page. Meanwhile, there has also been discussion at Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Alerts about how long alerts should remain on that list and whether they should be archived. Do you see where I'm going with this?... Well, in theory, although not necessarily in practice, the period of time before being taken off the alerts list is supposed to be about a month. And the period of time before being added to the missing list is supposed to be about a month. So here's my proposal: Why doesn't Esperanza "annex" the Missing Wikipedians page and maintain it within a set of established guidelines as an archive of Leaving-Wikipedia alerts that don't succeed? (Hopefully, this will generate more collaborative discussion and less incivility than my last proposal.) -- Tantalum T e lluride 04:32, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Should we move the Missing Wikipedians page to Wikipedia:Esperanza/Missing Wikipedians or will it suffice to link between the two pages and explain their complementary relationship? -- Tantalum T e lluride 16:29, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
I just boldly moved the page and fixed the resulting double redirects. On the whatlinkshere page, there appears to be another double redirect at Wikipedia talk:Desysopsing inactive admins, but it is in fact not a double redirect. I'm not sure what's going on there, so I didn't change it. -- Tantalum T e lluride 21:06, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Once again, I draw your attention to Wikipedia:Esperanza/December 2005 elections and its corresponding talk page. If you are interested in running, please make sure to sign up by December 15. Elections will start on December 16 and will run for two weeks. Comments are appreciated. Thanks! Flcelloguy ( A note?) 16:47, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
Speaking of the member list, since only members registered before December 12 can vote, should the membership list be locked, like it was during the last election? New members can request to be added on the talk page... Tito xd( ?!? - did you read this?) 20:33, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Shouldnt we put up a big ad for these elections on the main esperanza page? To increase voter turnout? Ban e s 06:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Like the alternate Portuguese name? ε γκυκλοπαίδεια * (talk) 16:53, 10 December 2005 (UTC) 20:45, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I went around Wikipedia today and scavenged out a new fresh batch of users that have went on wikibreak. I have posted them on the Alerts page. — Moe ε 02:00, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Some updates: candidates for the elections must be registered by December 15, so if you plan to run, act now. (Just a friendly reminder!) Also, you should have received a message on your talk page in the past few days regarding Esperanza; from now on, all Esperanzians will receive these important messages regarding our organization. If you do not wish to receive any more messages, please list yourself at WP:ESP/S. Special thanks to Redvers, who has been filling in as our messenger, as Redwolf24 is taking a well-deserved wiki-break. In addition, I have created an announcement board at Wikipedia:Esperanza/to_do, which is transcluded to the main page. I urge all Esperanzians to place that page on your watchlist, in order to be aware of news and announcements. Finally, you will receive a message in the upcoming days both reminding you about the elections and announcing some exciting news. Many thanks! Flcelloguy ( A note?) 01:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Can I join? I think what you lot are doing is brilliant. I have been an admirere of the 'pedia since I came to university in America a few years ago. Also I noticed from your page history you've had three Adminitrator Generals? Why so many and why aren't these guys active (Essjay, Redwolf, and Carriker) now? User:4micah
Would you consider contributing? Or how about voting for it as collaboration of the week for this new but important article.-- Culturesoftheworld 19:36, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Essjay just blanked his talk page and deleted his user page. 132.162.209.220 20:30, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
has been deleted? Why? —
Moe
ε
21:02, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
What happened here? Member of Esperanza, Admin, and December 2005 election canidate gone? — Moe ε 04:07, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
I'd like to resign from Esperanza, but there is a "View Source" link so I couldn't remove it. Please remove my name. Thanks. I'll keep the link to Esperanza in my sig, though. ε γκυκλοπ αίδεια * 18:30, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Ooh, yummy. Many thanks, Santa! -- User:Jenmoa 22:23, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
FireFox has told me I can't join right now due to elections. However, can I just say I have a lot of interest in this project, and I plan to join ASAP. Compu ter Joe 17:46, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I think that would be the big issue once the new 'government' of Esperanza joins in. I am in favor of a massive admendment offered by some users what describes what to do in the case of an resignation. Wikizach 17:54, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Admending the Charter Inserting a New Section
In the event that the Admin General should resign, the member of the Advisory Committee with the most votes in any one of the previous two elections shall immediately take office. In the case of a tie, the members of the Advisory Committee shall elect one of it's members to serve as an 'Acting Admin General' until the next elections take place. In the event that any Advisory Committee member should resign, that spot shall remain open until the next series of elections, as defined by the Esperanza Charter. The member winning this seat shall hold the seat for the remainder of the prior candidate's term, or if this term has expired, for a full term as defined by the Esperanza Charter.
One thing that I might add, we need to extend the Advisory Council's terms, so that voting is less often. The more voting, politics, and campaigning, the more Wikipedia becomes more of a Congressional Blog. Let's talk about this more as the new year approches. Wikizach 23:25, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
It seems to not make sense to be allowed to cast one vote for everyone that is running. Doesn't that make the votes technically null and void? That would be like being able to cast a vote for the Republican presidential candidate, one for the Democrat and one for the Independent candidate. I think that it would be more fair and equitable to only be allowed to cast one vote for Admin. General and 3 votes for the assembly for each Esperanzian voting. I doubt we would have such close elections and have to have tie-breakers if our votes were restricted as such. Any thoughts? Maltmomma (chat) 18:09, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
(another edit conflict) LV, an RfA is different because you're not running against someone. I agree that Esperanza's main goal is to increase support and a sense of community but what about the person who votes for everyone except one person. How does that make that person feel and as Firefox said, would indeed increase their Wikistress. I just think this needs to be looked at before the next election to make it fair and equitable to all involved. I certainly don't have all the answers but I don't think that this is the best way to handle the elections. Maltmomma (chat) 20:19, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Just a little note with my two cents; I started the current voting system when I administered the first set of elections, and I set it up exactly the way I did because I felt it would be better than having Esperanza, the association dedicated to making Wikipedia a better and happier place, cause people to leave. Members who choose to vote for all candidates know that their votes won't affect the outcome; if they choose to do that, then why should anyone stop them? Would it be preferable for them to refuse to vote instead, to avoid choosing between good friends and candidates they feel are equally qualified? (Which is what I would do if forced.) Granted, I can't vote because I am a former Admin General, but if I could vote under the current system, I would vote for all candidates, whether my vote counted or not, as a demonstration of my faith in them. Let the voters use thier votes how they choose to, the outcome is the same: Those with the highest number of votes will win, whether that number is five because everyone boycotted the vote in order to avoid choosing between good friends, or if it is five hundred because four hundred and ninty-five members voted for every candidate. Better to avoid the hurt feelings. -- Essjay · Talk 01:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps this is just me clamoring for attention, but wouldn't it be appropriate to have a listing of former Admins General and AC members somewhere, to recognize and remember those who have served? -- Essjay · Talk 14:25, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
It's all well and good that we have a calendar to put all important dates and events on, and it's also all well and good that the day names are displayed at the top of each month on the calender. This obviously is going to cause some problems when a new year arises, as of course the date-numbers are not going to match the day-names any longer. With only two days left until 2006, this needs to be fixed either by:
We need to decide which of those paths to take... that is, if someone has already created a 2006 calender that I'm not aware of. Fir e Fox 15:04, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi, a few of us have founded a micronation (basically an imaginary country), called Tirben. It's open to all Wikipedians, and the general idea of fostering community by building an imaginary country fits in nicely with the principles of Esperanza. You're all invited to participate! See tirben.starglade.org. Talrias ( t | e | c) 01:14, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
(cross-posted to the Esperanza mailing list. If you haven't joined yet, please email myself or Celestianpower. Thanks!)
Fellow Esperanzians,
Well, here we are - the conclusion of another year and another election. Looking back upon this year, we've had a great and momentous journey here at Esperanza. From our beginnings, we've come together and emerged as an organization dedicated to promoting Wiki-love within Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia. We've had our charter approved, and we've had two successful elections. We've had several leaders, all of whom have dedicated time and effort into helping this organization grow. We've gone through turbulent times, but have emerged stronger as a group. Our membership has grown steadily ever since our beginnings, and bright times lay ahead of us.
On that note, I'm pleased to announce the results of our recently-concluded election. Our incumbent administrator general, Essjay, who has just recently returned from a lengthy-wikibreak, has certified the results of this election, and I too, as a member of your advisory council, also declare this election to be fair and officially complete. That being said, let me thank everyone who helped with the election, distributing messages, updating the vote tally, checking for discrepancies, and doing a whole lot more. The "lovely election staff", as coined last time, was a huge help and must be thanked for their effort. In addition, a huge thanks to everyone who voted, showing that you cared about Esperanza. Without the voters, this election would not have been possible. Finally, last but not least, a *HUGE* thank you to all of the candidates. Every one of you showed dedication and ambition by choosing to run. Remember, it's not important who wins or loses, and I - and all of us here at Esperanza - have faith in all of you to serve.
So, without further ado, the winners:
Administrator General - Celestianpower, who will serve until the end of the new year Members of the advisory council - Titoxd, FireFox, and Karmafist. The three will be joining myself on the advisory council. Titoxd and FireFox will serve until the end of April, and Karmafist will serve with myself until the end of February. Congratulations to all the winners! I look forward to working with all of you to advance Esperanza.
Finally, one last thank you - thank you to all who have lead Esperanza in the past. Essjay, JCarriker, Redwolf24, Bratsche, Acetic Acid, and RN - in no particular order- have served as our leaders this past year and have done a tremendous job. Their efforts must be applauded; I salute each and every one of them for their dedication, and now I turn to salute those who will lead us in the future. Remember - the future is bright here at Esperanza, and I look forward to joining the winners of this election in guiding it down the long and winding path and across hurdles that will indubitably face not only Esperanza but Wikipedia.
Esperanzially,
Flcelloguy (
A note?)
16:03, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Taken straight from Bratsche's fantastic work, I bring you the Esperanza welcome, for everyone who signs up. I will be doing this as much as I can but if I miss someone, please add this to their user talk page:
{{ EA-welcome}}
Which produces:
Welcome, Esperanza/Archive 6, to Esperanza, the Wikipedia member association! As you might know, all the Esperanzians share one important goal: the success of this encyclopedia. Within that, we then attempt to strengthen the community bonds, and be the "approachable" side of the project. All of our ideals are held in the Charter, the governing document of the association.
Now that you are a member you should read the guide to what to do now or you may be interested in some of our programs. A quite important program is the StressUnit, which seeks to support editors who have encountered any stress from their Wikipedia events, and are seeking to leave the project. So far, Esperanza can be credited with the support and retention of several users. Redwolf24 runs the spam to keep members up to date. Also, we have a calendar of special events, member birthdays, and other holidays that you can add to and follow.
In addition to these projects, several more missions of Esperanza are in development, and are currently being created at Esperanza/Possibles.
I encourage you to take an active voice in the running of Esperanza. We have a small government system, headed by our Administrator general, Celestianpower, and guided by the Advisory Committee comprised of FireFox, Flcelloguy. Titoxd, and Karmafist. The next set of elections will be February 28, and I would be glad to see you vote, or even consider running for a position.
If you have any other questions, concerns, comments, or general ideas, Esperanzian or otherwise, know that you can always contact Celestianpower by email or talk page or the Esperanza talk page. Alternatively, you could communicate with fellow users via our IRC channel, #wikipedia-esperanza (which is also good for a fun chat or two :). I thank you for joining Esperanza, and look forward to working with you in making Wikipedia a better place to work!
Thank you. -- Cel e stianpower háblame 18:45, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there something way back when Esperanza was first starting about a review of the charter and "governmental" process when we hit 150 members? Well, we've reached that milestone. Shall we do a self-inspection, or is that just me remembering something else?? Thanks, Bratsche talk | Esperanza 05:40, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Before we can amend or change anything, someone must provide the actual wording that needs to be amended. Once there, if we don't reach a consensus soon, then we will hold a refferendum (maybe as a third question in the Feburary Adv. Comm. elecions)
Wikizach 21:48, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
How do I join Esperanza? A while back, when I was just curious about what Esperanza was, there was a membership list on the main page, but I never got around to joining, and now, when I want to join, I can't find the list. smurrayinchester( User), ( Talk) 17:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
There has been some discussion at Wikipedia talk:Missing Wikipedians regarding the length of time a user must be gone before being added to the list and whether a user can add himself to the list as his last edit. Some suggestions have been discussed, but no concensus has been reached, as evidenced by occasional edit wars and questions posed on the talk page. Meanwhile, there has also been discussion at Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Alerts about how long alerts should remain on that list and whether they should be archived. Do you see where I'm going with this?... Well, in theory, although not necessarily in practice, the period of time before being taken off the alerts list is supposed to be about a month. And the period of time before being added to the missing list is supposed to be about a month. So here's my proposal: Why doesn't Esperanza "annex" the Missing Wikipedians page and maintain it within a set of established guidelines as an archive of Leaving-Wikipedia alerts that don't succeed? (Hopefully, this will generate more collaborative discussion and less incivility than my last proposal.) -- Tantalum T e lluride 04:32, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Should we move the Missing Wikipedians page to Wikipedia:Esperanza/Missing Wikipedians or will it suffice to link between the two pages and explain their complementary relationship? -- Tantalum T e lluride 16:29, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
I just boldly moved the page and fixed the resulting double redirects. On the whatlinkshere page, there appears to be another double redirect at Wikipedia talk:Desysopsing inactive admins, but it is in fact not a double redirect. I'm not sure what's going on there, so I didn't change it. -- Tantalum T e lluride 21:06, 9 January 2006 (UTC)