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My goodness, this seems to be a never-ending effort. I just picked the "Roman" links (mostly because I remember the subject from school). It seems like new links are constantly being added to that disambig pageat an incredible rate (according to the dump there were around 350 links, when I did a quick check before I started there were at least 450! And the dump wasn't done that long ago!) And this is only ONE of the pages... Geez! --
Mmounties (
Talk)
17:00, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Can I suggest making Frank Miller redirect to Frank Miller (comics)? I've scanned the entire list for links that suggest anyone other than the writer and artist of Batman: The Dark Knight Returns and Sin City. I only found one, and I fixed it. Most don't even warrant checking because they are pages like History of Batman and 2006 in comics. Frank Miller (politician) has a substantial article but he was only "briefly Premier of Ontario in 1985", and, again, nobody's linking to him. The other two Frank Miller articles are brief stubs. -- The Famous Movie Director 11:10, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
There are now only 7 main namespace articles linking to Trance.
Pachinko and Shaman (band) use the word entrance, and I am not familiar enough with these subjects to decide whether this is intended to refer to an altered state of consciousness or merely fascination.
Gnawa and Joujouka refer to trance music, which appears not to be trance music.
Bajau refers to trance dancing, which is probably related to altered state of consciousness.
Exalt claims that Exaltation is a theological word for trance, but the Exaltation page doesn't seem to mention this.
Latin verbs (A to K) presumably means that the word trance is derived from the Latin eo, ire, ii, itum, in which case I don't know where it should link, as most of the definitions of trance are presumably related.
If anyone has any insight into what I should do, or feels that I am not bold enough and wants to finish this off, I would be most grateful.
-- Matthew Auger 22:20, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I've been trying to find a way to make it easier to sort out the links on the "links here" pages using bookmarklets. It would detect which links have User:, Talk:, and Wikipedia: in them and apply the "display:none"
CSS property to them.
69.23.68.252
19:56, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
javascript:(function() {var links = document.evaluate('//a[contains(@href, "/wiki/Talk:")]/parent::li|//a[contains(@href, "/wiki/User:")]/parent::li|//a[contains(@href, "/wiki/Wikipedia:")]/parent::li|//a[contains(@href, "/wiki/User_talk:")]/parent::li|//a[contains(@href, "/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:")]/parent::li', document, null, XPathResult.UNORDERED_NODE_SNAPSHOT_TYPE, null); for (var i = 0; i < links.snapshotLength; i++) {link = links.snapshotItem(i);link.style.display = "none";}})();
This is a time saver! Thanks for anyone that tried :D 69.23.68.252 05:40, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
There is a similar tool that was created - the discussion is in the archive, but you can see it here. -- Nataly a 18:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
For the Master of Arts disamig, do I point it to "Master of Arts (postgraduate)" if I don't see Scotland or Oxbridge anywhere? Not sure what to do for those and don't want to edit 50 articles just to get it reverted. Chris83 06:20, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
To make it easier to explain to users how to avoid creating amiguous links, I have created Template:Dabhelp, intended to be used like this: {{subst:dabhelp|Ambiguous article|The article we want}}, e.g. {{subst:dabhelp|Republican|Republican Party (United States)}}
Any thoughts, suggestions, or changes? I asked User:Commander Keane and he says it's too long and a bit patronising, and he may be right. He also reckons that most offenders know how to avoid this, but are just lazy: I think that's possibly true, but that a how-to message is probably the politest form of reminder to be less lazy.
If anyone else feels it's useful and would like to polish it to a useable state, please feel free to set to work. -- BrownHairedGirl 15:20, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Take a look at DePaul University's infobox. It has a link to Metropolitan to describe the kind of campus. I'm not sure how to disambiguate this one, and others like it. Remove the link? Point to Wiktionary? Call it 'Urban'? New article describing the types of campuses? ArglebargleIV 17:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
I would like to add the disambiguation page " EP" to this project page (it has 157 pages linked to it). I seemed to have put it in the database dump secion, and that was probably the wrong thing to do so I reverted my edit. Should it go in the "Current disambiguation collaboration" section? Thanks in advance for helping out a new disambiguation link repairman! - EdGl 01:14, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Mississippi River has just been made into a dab page pointing to Mississippi River (United States) and Mississippi River (Ontario) creating 1000 some articles that now point to a dab page. Is there any way somebody can straighten this out so that it's more like the Cairo page. Obviously most of the Mississippi river articles are going to point to the United States link, I see no need to create this kind of mess. I'd try to fix it, but I don't want to screw it up and make things worse. Thanks for the help. -- Dual Freq 03:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Looks like it's been (mostly) fixed - see the discussion at Talk:Mississippi_River_(United_States)#Article_Move. -- Nataly a 11:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
How about we change the edit summary we use from
Disambiguation link repair - [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|You can help!]]
to
Disambiguation link repair - [[WP:DPL|You can help!]]
I had this One Problem using AWB whre my edit summay was so long part of it got cut off. (Alternative rock Disambiguation link repair - You can help! & clean up (Remove Excess White Space) and added stub tag using [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser|AW)
Or is the shortcut bad to use becose of server pressuere. Any way edit summary code isn't really visable so i'd day the shorter the better-- E-Bod 23:53, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
What happens to the 'done' pages when new dumps are made ? Some of the pages there seems to be back to many links that need fixing (for instance: french), do they remain forever 'done'. ?
I just finished a pass through the links to the Power disambiguation page. The number of entries on the "What links here?" page is down from about 300 to about 150. Most of what is left is not in the main space.
Are there any criteria about when the process is far enough along to move the page to the "Done" list? (By the way, I'm new at this.) Gerry Ashton 01:57, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
As for articles in the main namespace that deliberately link to dabs, sometimes other dabs do that. For example, Powers links to Power. As another example, the article on Power (communication) begins with the sentence
For other uses of the term, see Power.
Gerry Ashton 21:39, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps we could add a "Tools" section under the "How to help" rubric? On some of the multi-hundred links, I know I'd've gone nuts a long time ago if not for pywikipedia's solve-disambiguation.py, and I understand a lot of people are using Lupin's tool, to name just two. -- maru (talk) contribs 04:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm working on unknown, it's mostly done, but I've got some issues I need help with. For example, in the article Durham Wasps, the template Template:UKIceHockey team automatically links the "Head Coach" line. The template is used in 35-40 articles, and 6 of them are causing links to unknown. A quick check of other articles, however, show some valid links for this line. I've left a message on the template creator's page: User talk:Y control, but have not gotten a reponse.
I've got a similar problem with Template:painting for the "artist" line, for 2 articles. Any suggestions? thanks. Simon12 04:03, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
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Diaphragm: 116 links - Down to 5 articles using the term just to mean a divider, which isn't one of the choices. Now what? -- Jamoche 03:12, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
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I've now moved this entry down to the "Done" row and removed the comments to here. Carcharoth 02:12, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I have cleared a lot of the pound (currency) links (with just a few to go). Mostly what is left are list of stamp issuers (e.g. Compendium of postage stamp issuers (A - Al). These pages give currency details for the issuers and whenever the currency was a pound it links back to the disambiguation page. The problem I have is that most of these issuers were British colonies and they oftened tended to have multiple versions of the pound in circulation at any one time. For example the British Solomon Islands seemed to have used their own currency, pound sterling and the Australian pound at the same time (see. [4]). I would prefer to disambiguate these links but I'm note sure what to link to instead. -- Mark S ( talk) 19:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Re: pages linking to the Motif disambiguation, there are many instances of the word "motif" being used where "theme" would be more accurate, particularly in literature-related entries. Should those be sent to Motif (literature) as the closest match?
There's also somewhat of a gray area in other uses, particularly in film and game entries. Depending upon usage (imagery vs. storytelling), there are places where "theme" would also seem more appropriate. However, a case could also be made for Motif (literature) or Motif (art) (the latter of which is a one-line entry) on a case-by-case basis. I did my best with ~10 entries before stopping. I don't want to make more work for other Wikipedians. Some help and discussion would be greatly appreciated. — PaperTruths 03:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Don't thwap me, but I couldn't find answers that I understood in the archives. Specifically, I spent some time with Eve and have gotten most of the main namespace links fixed. There are a few oddball cases that I don't know how to handle, though. List of three-letter English words? List of EDA companies? Redirect pages?
Yes, indeed, I do feel silly, but some explanations would be lovely. :D Please? -- PaperTruths 05:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
The collaboration bit on this page says "pending". Can we add suggestions there, or should we discuss them here? I recently tagged a page with the disambig tag, and it has over 200 links to it that need dabbing. It is a bit of a nasty one though: membrane. Carcharoth 13:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Did the standard for the new dump change from 100 links to 125 or do we really not have anything between 100 and 125? Metros232 13:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
CART has 152 links, IIRC. They're all from racing related articles which far predate the creation of CART as a disambiguation page. The page disambiguates between champ car racing and some research facility in California for high school students.
Is the right thing to do realy to edit 152 articles? It seems like the proper approach is to move Champ Car Racing back to CART, and add a sentence at the top linking to the research facility.
Comments? -- Mikeblas 02:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice, ya'll. I've posted a proposal at Talk:CART.-- Mikeblas 13:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to discuss and clarify a few things about the style of disambiguation pages. Sometimes there are dab pages for words and concepts that are, to put it mildly, widely ranging in their uses, having a range of different senses and meanings (sometimes closely related and with only subtle differences), rather than just being different names for objects. Is there an accepted style for such dab pages? (I feel that sometimes slightly more detailed descriptions help people disambiguate and also help show the relationships between the words). If such pages veer too much towards etymology and OED-style dictionary entries, is Wikitionary a better place for that sort of thing? Or can you have pages on Wikipedia about the history of a word or name?
Links to a few examples and a discussion:
Comments would be welcomed. Thanks. Carcharoth 10:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I've started a discussion here about dab page styles, and how pages aimed at readers are not always as helpful as they could be for editors. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks. Carcharoth 17:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I am starting to disambiguate Power; this is my first attempt at disambiguation on a significant scale. The first article from the main namespace is Alfred Korzybski. This article uses the word in a way that could mean either Power (sociology) or Economic power. Should I just ignore it, or is there a way to flag it so the next time the list of pages needing disambiguation is refreshed, the Alfred Korzybski article will be not be picked up? Gerry Ashton 19:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
This is because most of the links to EP are for the extended play article. What do you guys think? EdGl 22:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and did it, after seeing another support on the EP talk page, and seeing no objections. — EdGl 01:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
An editor changed the redirect at EP from Extended play to European Parliament. I invited him to comment at Talk:EP and encourage other interested parties to do the same. — D-Rock 11:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I propose American as the next collaboration. Most of the links will got to the same place, and should go pretty quickly. Comments? Objections? D-Rock ( Yell at D-Rock) 05:31, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to be able to put disambig pages on a watchlist that alerts me whenever a new page links to the disambig page. Does anybody know if this is technically feasible? If so, does anyone else think this is a good idea? bd2412 T 04:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
When working on fixing links, I often end up pasting the wrong thing into the edit description window. Is it possible to edit edit descriptions after the fact? I suppose not, so how woul I request that feature? What about a feature that keeps my favorite edit descriptions in a dropdown shown on the editing page so I can jam 'em in quickly, without using my desktop clipboard? Where would I go to suggest or request such features? -- Mikeblas 19:22, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I've read here about the Solve disambiguation.py script being useful in fixing links to disambiguation pages, but I can't figure out how to use it. Can anyone point to a good explaination? -- Gerry Ashton 18:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
This project page references a "disambiguation block" and points the user to Wikipedia:Disambiguation, which doesn't contain the word "block". Is this a reference to lines like these: "Bach" redirects here. For other uses, see Bach (disambiguation).? -- Kchase02 ( T) 06:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
What is the standard thing to do? Do I mark disamb edits as minor or not? Thanks, E Asterion u talking to me? 21:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a user on the Dutchlanguaged wikipedia where I use solve_disambiguation.py to edit links to disambiguation pages. However I've got the idea that a lot of links here are fixed manually, so is usage of solve...py not wanted? Regards, Erwin85 20:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC).
The goal of "Disambiguation pages with links" is inarguably a good one, but there needs to be formal standards for how these links should be fixed. It's easy when you can just point the link to the appropriate page, but sometimes wikilinks should be deleted, sometimes the disambig page needs to be changed, and sometimes the disambig page should be deleted altogether. We need a formal method of dealing with this. Nscheffey( T/ C) 12:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Per the Redirect guideline ( Wikipedia:Redirect):
Don't fix links to redirects that aren't broken
Some editors are tempted, upon finding links using a legitimate redirect target, to edit the page to "fix" the link so that it points "straight" at the "correct" page. Unless the link displays incorrectly—for instance, if the link is to a misspelling or other unprintworthy redirect, or if the hint that appears when you hover over the link is misleading—there is no need to edit the link. Most especially, there should never be a need to replace [[redirect]] with [[direct|redirect]].
Some editors are under the mistaken impression that fixing such links improves the capacity of the Wikipedia servers. But because editing a page is thousands of times more expensive for the servers than following a redirect, the opposite is actually true.
I am reading this incorrectly, or is this saying not to fix disambiguation pages with links??
CPAScott
19:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
The disambig Lease has only two links, to Leasing and to Concession (territory). As far as I can tell nearly all the links to [Lease] are about [Leasing] with only a handful that should point at [Concession]. Assuming this handful is fixed, is there any reason not to make [Lease] a redirect to [Leasing]? If needed there could also be a disambig blurb at the top of [Leasing] that points to [Concession]. -- squirrel 12:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Is there a tool that will tell me how many links are still made to a particular disambiguation page after I've started working on it? -- Mikeblas 14:12, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that the disambiguation page for "Rap", Rap (disambiguation) redirects to Rap. I was reading WP:D, which seems to indicate that it should be the other way around, Rap should redirect to Rap (disambiguation) - which should contain all the disambig info that is currently on Rap. It's not a big deal, but I was wondering if there were any experts around that can help me understand that better. Thanks! Dreadlocke 17:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed that Trendy redirects to Trend a disambiguation page. There is no obvious article there to move the redirect to. There is a wikitionary link but I am not sure how that would work. Suggestions? Has anyone looked at "redirects to disambiguation pages"? Dalf | Talk 04:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm nearly finished removing links to Malay. All that remains is three pages ( Yi Jing, Malay people and Parameswara (sultan)) which point to Malayu, which in turn redirects to Malay. Problem here is that the links in question refer to the ancient kingdom of Malayu rather than Malayu as a synonym for Malay, and there's no article on the ancient kingdom at the moment. Any idea what to do? Do I de-link them, point them to a non-existent article or what? -- Daduzi talk 10:53, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Would someone be willing to look at HPV which currently redirects to HPV (disambiguation) as well as the discussion at talk:HPV? I say it should redirect to human papillomavirus which is the most common search term for HPV and if you look at the What Links Here, the only real article that's being requested for the initialism. Another user thinks it should go to the disambig page because of an article on human powered vehicle (which redirects to human powered transport). Would someone take a look at and add their thoughts? Metros232 14:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to take care of the dab page for Particle, and I've found that the majority of the links tend to refer to the general set of all scientific particles (molecules, atoms, and subatomic particles), rather than to any of the specific ones. For the most part, I've removed these links entirely, as they're being used in a general sense for which there is no article. I've had one user comment on this as a bad thing, and I'd like more input before I continue. When possible, if the specific type of particle is referenced elsewhere in the article, I'll try to link to the correct article (such as Subatomic particles), but more frequently there is no specific type of particle. I guess the best alternate solution would be to link to List of particles...any thoughts? -- Mbell 19:00, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I monitor Chinese people from time to time to keep it link free. Recently Demonym popped up on the radar, and I'm not entirealy sure how to deal with it. Given that the article is mainly referring to words rather than the objects the words apply to I'm tempted to just change a lot of the links to point to Wiktionary, but I thought it worthwhile to post here and get some ideas as to how to best approach it. -- Daduzi talk 22:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Son and Son (disambiguation) should be merged, I think. I'll go add mergeto/mergefrom tags, but Son is a heavily-linked-to disambiguation page in sheep's clothing. IS there a better way to handle the issue than a straight-up merge? -- Mikeblas 15:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I've been working on the "Development disambiguation page" (DDP). One of the pages that links there is the Talk:Jane Jacobs page. I spent a great deal of time finding and repairing or eliminating the links; now I've received this comment:
Point taken. I completely misread the directions in Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links with regard to administrative pages. I read the list of adminsitrative pages as pages that needed to be done, not as pages that didn't necessarily need to be fixed. It might be helpful to split the pages that are less important off into their own numbered item.
However, if the Talk:Jane Jacobs links don't get fixed, the page will keep appearing on the list of pages that need to be fixed. I can understand the argument for going back and taking out the links that I added, although I can still disagree that it's necessary or changes the meaning of the comments. (Case in point: the first time on the page that the phrase "economic development" appeared, I linked it to the Economic development article.)
Whatever decision is reached here, it would be helpful to future newbies to be really clear in the How to help section about how links to disambiguity pages should be handled on Talk pages.
Help, please. Thanks. Chidom 08:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the undo, Chidom! To avoid future confusion about Talk pages, I've edited point 4 in How to help to draw attention to the Talk Page Guideline that other people's comments should not be edited. -- JimR 05:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh lordy, I've dab'd a lot of talk pages recently. I'll stop doing it, but do I really need to go back and undo the ones I've done? The main reason I was doing some talk pages is because there were so many talk dabs in the some of the dumps that it made it a bit difficult to sort through and find articles or user pages. Dreadlocke 19:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone given much thought to writing a bit of custom javascript for people to put on their User: username/monobook.js files that woudl strip out talk pages etc. from "what links here". I suspect it would be easy to writ though my JS skills are slightly lacking. Dalf | Talk 00:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
The reason I called it a slippery slope is that it leads to the idea that it's legitimate to edit other people's talk pages generally. This was illustrated by [8] , where even beyond disambiguating links on a talk page, Chidom added wikilinks retrospectively into other people's comments (including mine), where no links at all had existed. I'm quite capable of deciding for myself when I do and when I don't want wikilinks in my talk page comments. Furthermore, as I said above, to disambiguate a link which someone wrote changes the impression other readers gain of that person's posting. It's just as much a distortion of someone's comment to "improve" it by disguising their ignorance as it would be to make a change which lowered their apparent competence. Maru says "don't submit your writings if you don't want them mercilessly edited", apparently adapted from WP:5P, but the context of that pillar refers explicitly to articles, and it is not intended to apply to talk pages. As WP:TPG makes clear, the publishing quality standards for articles do not apply to talk pages. When carrying out discussions on talk pages, we need to be able to assume (without going through the history) that the text we are replying to is what the author wrote — not some sanitised or modified version. -- JimR 05:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
The July 17 dump is now posted for your disambiguating pleasure. I propose Charity for the new collaboration. It appears to be pretty easy -- most links should be redirected to Charitable organization; references to "acts of charity" or the "spirit of charity" or the like should be redirected to Charity (virtue). Comments? -- Russ Blau (talk) 14:37, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I've been working on disambiguing Gallery, but a few questions have arisen that I'd love to have addressed. First, I've run across the issue of the use of the term gallery in a way that is not specified on the dab page. For instance, the article on the Chrysler Building has the term gallery used to reference a viewing gallery, one on the upper floor of a building that allows people to look out and view the skyline. (There is no article for viewing gallery, so I can't add it to the dab page.) Other articles have the same problem: gallery is used to reference the rear seating area of a theater, or a railed balcony on the outside of a building, etc etc. How do I deal with this?
Similarly, what is to be done on articles that link to the dab page for the definitions at the bottom? The gallery page, for example, has
Gallery may also refer to:
What do I do to articles that link to the dab page referencing those definitions, for which there is no article to link to? I thought of Wiktionary, but that doesn't seem to have sufficient definitions to cover all those different meanings.
Help would be much appreciated. I'm new to this, but I'd love to help out as much as I can. Alex Ditto 22:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Can I just add any disambig page to the list on the main page? Specifically, the Keyboard disambig page seems to have a fair number of links to it...Can I add it to the list myself? If so, where does it say how many pages link there? -- Crabbyass 23:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
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My goodness, this seems to be a never-ending effort. I just picked the "Roman" links (mostly because I remember the subject from school). It seems like new links are constantly being added to that disambig pageat an incredible rate (according to the dump there were around 350 links, when I did a quick check before I started there were at least 450! And the dump wasn't done that long ago!) And this is only ONE of the pages... Geez! --
Mmounties (
Talk)
17:00, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
Can I suggest making Frank Miller redirect to Frank Miller (comics)? I've scanned the entire list for links that suggest anyone other than the writer and artist of Batman: The Dark Knight Returns and Sin City. I only found one, and I fixed it. Most don't even warrant checking because they are pages like History of Batman and 2006 in comics. Frank Miller (politician) has a substantial article but he was only "briefly Premier of Ontario in 1985", and, again, nobody's linking to him. The other two Frank Miller articles are brief stubs. -- The Famous Movie Director 11:10, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
There are now only 7 main namespace articles linking to Trance.
Pachinko and Shaman (band) use the word entrance, and I am not familiar enough with these subjects to decide whether this is intended to refer to an altered state of consciousness or merely fascination.
Gnawa and Joujouka refer to trance music, which appears not to be trance music.
Bajau refers to trance dancing, which is probably related to altered state of consciousness.
Exalt claims that Exaltation is a theological word for trance, but the Exaltation page doesn't seem to mention this.
Latin verbs (A to K) presumably means that the word trance is derived from the Latin eo, ire, ii, itum, in which case I don't know where it should link, as most of the definitions of trance are presumably related.
If anyone has any insight into what I should do, or feels that I am not bold enough and wants to finish this off, I would be most grateful.
-- Matthew Auger 22:20, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I've been trying to find a way to make it easier to sort out the links on the "links here" pages using bookmarklets. It would detect which links have User:, Talk:, and Wikipedia: in them and apply the "display:none"
CSS property to them.
69.23.68.252
19:56, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
javascript:(function() {var links = document.evaluate('//a[contains(@href, "/wiki/Talk:")]/parent::li|//a[contains(@href, "/wiki/User:")]/parent::li|//a[contains(@href, "/wiki/Wikipedia:")]/parent::li|//a[contains(@href, "/wiki/User_talk:")]/parent::li|//a[contains(@href, "/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:")]/parent::li', document, null, XPathResult.UNORDERED_NODE_SNAPSHOT_TYPE, null); for (var i = 0; i < links.snapshotLength; i++) {link = links.snapshotItem(i);link.style.display = "none";}})();
This is a time saver! Thanks for anyone that tried :D 69.23.68.252 05:40, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
There is a similar tool that was created - the discussion is in the archive, but you can see it here. -- Nataly a 18:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
For the Master of Arts disamig, do I point it to "Master of Arts (postgraduate)" if I don't see Scotland or Oxbridge anywhere? Not sure what to do for those and don't want to edit 50 articles just to get it reverted. Chris83 06:20, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
To make it easier to explain to users how to avoid creating amiguous links, I have created Template:Dabhelp, intended to be used like this: {{subst:dabhelp|Ambiguous article|The article we want}}, e.g. {{subst:dabhelp|Republican|Republican Party (United States)}}
Any thoughts, suggestions, or changes? I asked User:Commander Keane and he says it's too long and a bit patronising, and he may be right. He also reckons that most offenders know how to avoid this, but are just lazy: I think that's possibly true, but that a how-to message is probably the politest form of reminder to be less lazy.
If anyone else feels it's useful and would like to polish it to a useable state, please feel free to set to work. -- BrownHairedGirl 15:20, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Take a look at DePaul University's infobox. It has a link to Metropolitan to describe the kind of campus. I'm not sure how to disambiguate this one, and others like it. Remove the link? Point to Wiktionary? Call it 'Urban'? New article describing the types of campuses? ArglebargleIV 17:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
I would like to add the disambiguation page " EP" to this project page (it has 157 pages linked to it). I seemed to have put it in the database dump secion, and that was probably the wrong thing to do so I reverted my edit. Should it go in the "Current disambiguation collaboration" section? Thanks in advance for helping out a new disambiguation link repairman! - EdGl 01:14, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Mississippi River has just been made into a dab page pointing to Mississippi River (United States) and Mississippi River (Ontario) creating 1000 some articles that now point to a dab page. Is there any way somebody can straighten this out so that it's more like the Cairo page. Obviously most of the Mississippi river articles are going to point to the United States link, I see no need to create this kind of mess. I'd try to fix it, but I don't want to screw it up and make things worse. Thanks for the help. -- Dual Freq 03:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Looks like it's been (mostly) fixed - see the discussion at Talk:Mississippi_River_(United_States)#Article_Move. -- Nataly a 11:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
How about we change the edit summary we use from
Disambiguation link repair - [[Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links|You can help!]]
to
Disambiguation link repair - [[WP:DPL|You can help!]]
I had this One Problem using AWB whre my edit summay was so long part of it got cut off. (Alternative rock Disambiguation link repair - You can help! & clean up (Remove Excess White Space) and added stub tag using [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser|AW)
Or is the shortcut bad to use becose of server pressuere. Any way edit summary code isn't really visable so i'd day the shorter the better-- E-Bod 23:53, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
What happens to the 'done' pages when new dumps are made ? Some of the pages there seems to be back to many links that need fixing (for instance: french), do they remain forever 'done'. ?
I just finished a pass through the links to the Power disambiguation page. The number of entries on the "What links here?" page is down from about 300 to about 150. Most of what is left is not in the main space.
Are there any criteria about when the process is far enough along to move the page to the "Done" list? (By the way, I'm new at this.) Gerry Ashton 01:57, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
As for articles in the main namespace that deliberately link to dabs, sometimes other dabs do that. For example, Powers links to Power. As another example, the article on Power (communication) begins with the sentence
For other uses of the term, see Power.
Gerry Ashton 21:39, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps we could add a "Tools" section under the "How to help" rubric? On some of the multi-hundred links, I know I'd've gone nuts a long time ago if not for pywikipedia's solve-disambiguation.py, and I understand a lot of people are using Lupin's tool, to name just two. -- maru (talk) contribs 04:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm working on unknown, it's mostly done, but I've got some issues I need help with. For example, in the article Durham Wasps, the template Template:UKIceHockey team automatically links the "Head Coach" line. The template is used in 35-40 articles, and 6 of them are causing links to unknown. A quick check of other articles, however, show some valid links for this line. I've left a message on the template creator's page: User talk:Y control, but have not gotten a reponse.
I've got a similar problem with Template:painting for the "artist" line, for 2 articles. Any suggestions? thanks. Simon12 04:03, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
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Diaphragm: 116 links - Down to 5 articles using the term just to mean a divider, which isn't one of the choices. Now what? -- Jamoche 03:12, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
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I've now moved this entry down to the "Done" row and removed the comments to here. Carcharoth 02:12, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I have cleared a lot of the pound (currency) links (with just a few to go). Mostly what is left are list of stamp issuers (e.g. Compendium of postage stamp issuers (A - Al). These pages give currency details for the issuers and whenever the currency was a pound it links back to the disambiguation page. The problem I have is that most of these issuers were British colonies and they oftened tended to have multiple versions of the pound in circulation at any one time. For example the British Solomon Islands seemed to have used their own currency, pound sterling and the Australian pound at the same time (see. [4]). I would prefer to disambiguate these links but I'm note sure what to link to instead. -- Mark S ( talk) 19:39, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Re: pages linking to the Motif disambiguation, there are many instances of the word "motif" being used where "theme" would be more accurate, particularly in literature-related entries. Should those be sent to Motif (literature) as the closest match?
There's also somewhat of a gray area in other uses, particularly in film and game entries. Depending upon usage (imagery vs. storytelling), there are places where "theme" would also seem more appropriate. However, a case could also be made for Motif (literature) or Motif (art) (the latter of which is a one-line entry) on a case-by-case basis. I did my best with ~10 entries before stopping. I don't want to make more work for other Wikipedians. Some help and discussion would be greatly appreciated. — PaperTruths 03:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Don't thwap me, but I couldn't find answers that I understood in the archives. Specifically, I spent some time with Eve and have gotten most of the main namespace links fixed. There are a few oddball cases that I don't know how to handle, though. List of three-letter English words? List of EDA companies? Redirect pages?
Yes, indeed, I do feel silly, but some explanations would be lovely. :D Please? -- PaperTruths 05:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
The collaboration bit on this page says "pending". Can we add suggestions there, or should we discuss them here? I recently tagged a page with the disambig tag, and it has over 200 links to it that need dabbing. It is a bit of a nasty one though: membrane. Carcharoth 13:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Did the standard for the new dump change from 100 links to 125 or do we really not have anything between 100 and 125? Metros232 13:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
CART has 152 links, IIRC. They're all from racing related articles which far predate the creation of CART as a disambiguation page. The page disambiguates between champ car racing and some research facility in California for high school students.
Is the right thing to do realy to edit 152 articles? It seems like the proper approach is to move Champ Car Racing back to CART, and add a sentence at the top linking to the research facility.
Comments? -- Mikeblas 02:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice, ya'll. I've posted a proposal at Talk:CART.-- Mikeblas 13:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to discuss and clarify a few things about the style of disambiguation pages. Sometimes there are dab pages for words and concepts that are, to put it mildly, widely ranging in their uses, having a range of different senses and meanings (sometimes closely related and with only subtle differences), rather than just being different names for objects. Is there an accepted style for such dab pages? (I feel that sometimes slightly more detailed descriptions help people disambiguate and also help show the relationships between the words). If such pages veer too much towards etymology and OED-style dictionary entries, is Wikitionary a better place for that sort of thing? Or can you have pages on Wikipedia about the history of a word or name?
Links to a few examples and a discussion:
Comments would be welcomed. Thanks. Carcharoth 10:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I've started a discussion here about dab page styles, and how pages aimed at readers are not always as helpful as they could be for editors. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks. Carcharoth 17:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I am starting to disambiguate Power; this is my first attempt at disambiguation on a significant scale. The first article from the main namespace is Alfred Korzybski. This article uses the word in a way that could mean either Power (sociology) or Economic power. Should I just ignore it, or is there a way to flag it so the next time the list of pages needing disambiguation is refreshed, the Alfred Korzybski article will be not be picked up? Gerry Ashton 19:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
This is because most of the links to EP are for the extended play article. What do you guys think? EdGl 22:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and did it, after seeing another support on the EP talk page, and seeing no objections. — EdGl 01:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
An editor changed the redirect at EP from Extended play to European Parliament. I invited him to comment at Talk:EP and encourage other interested parties to do the same. — D-Rock 11:27, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I propose American as the next collaboration. Most of the links will got to the same place, and should go pretty quickly. Comments? Objections? D-Rock ( Yell at D-Rock) 05:31, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to be able to put disambig pages on a watchlist that alerts me whenever a new page links to the disambig page. Does anybody know if this is technically feasible? If so, does anyone else think this is a good idea? bd2412 T 04:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
When working on fixing links, I often end up pasting the wrong thing into the edit description window. Is it possible to edit edit descriptions after the fact? I suppose not, so how woul I request that feature? What about a feature that keeps my favorite edit descriptions in a dropdown shown on the editing page so I can jam 'em in quickly, without using my desktop clipboard? Where would I go to suggest or request such features? -- Mikeblas 19:22, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I've read here about the Solve disambiguation.py script being useful in fixing links to disambiguation pages, but I can't figure out how to use it. Can anyone point to a good explaination? -- Gerry Ashton 18:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
This project page references a "disambiguation block" and points the user to Wikipedia:Disambiguation, which doesn't contain the word "block". Is this a reference to lines like these: "Bach" redirects here. For other uses, see Bach (disambiguation).? -- Kchase02 ( T) 06:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
What is the standard thing to do? Do I mark disamb edits as minor or not? Thanks, E Asterion u talking to me? 21:17, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a user on the Dutchlanguaged wikipedia where I use solve_disambiguation.py to edit links to disambiguation pages. However I've got the idea that a lot of links here are fixed manually, so is usage of solve...py not wanted? Regards, Erwin85 20:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC).
The goal of "Disambiguation pages with links" is inarguably a good one, but there needs to be formal standards for how these links should be fixed. It's easy when you can just point the link to the appropriate page, but sometimes wikilinks should be deleted, sometimes the disambig page needs to be changed, and sometimes the disambig page should be deleted altogether. We need a formal method of dealing with this. Nscheffey( T/ C) 12:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Per the Redirect guideline ( Wikipedia:Redirect):
Don't fix links to redirects that aren't broken
Some editors are tempted, upon finding links using a legitimate redirect target, to edit the page to "fix" the link so that it points "straight" at the "correct" page. Unless the link displays incorrectly—for instance, if the link is to a misspelling or other unprintworthy redirect, or if the hint that appears when you hover over the link is misleading—there is no need to edit the link. Most especially, there should never be a need to replace [[redirect]] with [[direct|redirect]].
Some editors are under the mistaken impression that fixing such links improves the capacity of the Wikipedia servers. But because editing a page is thousands of times more expensive for the servers than following a redirect, the opposite is actually true.
I am reading this incorrectly, or is this saying not to fix disambiguation pages with links??
CPAScott
19:21, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
The disambig Lease has only two links, to Leasing and to Concession (territory). As far as I can tell nearly all the links to [Lease] are about [Leasing] with only a handful that should point at [Concession]. Assuming this handful is fixed, is there any reason not to make [Lease] a redirect to [Leasing]? If needed there could also be a disambig blurb at the top of [Leasing] that points to [Concession]. -- squirrel 12:54, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Is there a tool that will tell me how many links are still made to a particular disambiguation page after I've started working on it? -- Mikeblas 14:12, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that the disambiguation page for "Rap", Rap (disambiguation) redirects to Rap. I was reading WP:D, which seems to indicate that it should be the other way around, Rap should redirect to Rap (disambiguation) - which should contain all the disambig info that is currently on Rap. It's not a big deal, but I was wondering if there were any experts around that can help me understand that better. Thanks! Dreadlocke 17:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed that Trendy redirects to Trend a disambiguation page. There is no obvious article there to move the redirect to. There is a wikitionary link but I am not sure how that would work. Suggestions? Has anyone looked at "redirects to disambiguation pages"? Dalf | Talk 04:55, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm nearly finished removing links to Malay. All that remains is three pages ( Yi Jing, Malay people and Parameswara (sultan)) which point to Malayu, which in turn redirects to Malay. Problem here is that the links in question refer to the ancient kingdom of Malayu rather than Malayu as a synonym for Malay, and there's no article on the ancient kingdom at the moment. Any idea what to do? Do I de-link them, point them to a non-existent article or what? -- Daduzi talk 10:53, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
Would someone be willing to look at HPV which currently redirects to HPV (disambiguation) as well as the discussion at talk:HPV? I say it should redirect to human papillomavirus which is the most common search term for HPV and if you look at the What Links Here, the only real article that's being requested for the initialism. Another user thinks it should go to the disambig page because of an article on human powered vehicle (which redirects to human powered transport). Would someone take a look at and add their thoughts? Metros232 14:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to take care of the dab page for Particle, and I've found that the majority of the links tend to refer to the general set of all scientific particles (molecules, atoms, and subatomic particles), rather than to any of the specific ones. For the most part, I've removed these links entirely, as they're being used in a general sense for which there is no article. I've had one user comment on this as a bad thing, and I'd like more input before I continue. When possible, if the specific type of particle is referenced elsewhere in the article, I'll try to link to the correct article (such as Subatomic particles), but more frequently there is no specific type of particle. I guess the best alternate solution would be to link to List of particles...any thoughts? -- Mbell 19:00, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I monitor Chinese people from time to time to keep it link free. Recently Demonym popped up on the radar, and I'm not entirealy sure how to deal with it. Given that the article is mainly referring to words rather than the objects the words apply to I'm tempted to just change a lot of the links to point to Wiktionary, but I thought it worthwhile to post here and get some ideas as to how to best approach it. -- Daduzi talk 22:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Son and Son (disambiguation) should be merged, I think. I'll go add mergeto/mergefrom tags, but Son is a heavily-linked-to disambiguation page in sheep's clothing. IS there a better way to handle the issue than a straight-up merge? -- Mikeblas 15:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
I've been working on the "Development disambiguation page" (DDP). One of the pages that links there is the Talk:Jane Jacobs page. I spent a great deal of time finding and repairing or eliminating the links; now I've received this comment:
Point taken. I completely misread the directions in Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links with regard to administrative pages. I read the list of adminsitrative pages as pages that needed to be done, not as pages that didn't necessarily need to be fixed. It might be helpful to split the pages that are less important off into their own numbered item.
However, if the Talk:Jane Jacobs links don't get fixed, the page will keep appearing on the list of pages that need to be fixed. I can understand the argument for going back and taking out the links that I added, although I can still disagree that it's necessary or changes the meaning of the comments. (Case in point: the first time on the page that the phrase "economic development" appeared, I linked it to the Economic development article.)
Whatever decision is reached here, it would be helpful to future newbies to be really clear in the How to help section about how links to disambiguity pages should be handled on Talk pages.
Help, please. Thanks. Chidom 08:36, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the undo, Chidom! To avoid future confusion about Talk pages, I've edited point 4 in How to help to draw attention to the Talk Page Guideline that other people's comments should not be edited. -- JimR 05:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh lordy, I've dab'd a lot of talk pages recently. I'll stop doing it, but do I really need to go back and undo the ones I've done? The main reason I was doing some talk pages is because there were so many talk dabs in the some of the dumps that it made it a bit difficult to sort through and find articles or user pages. Dreadlocke 19:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone given much thought to writing a bit of custom javascript for people to put on their User: username/monobook.js files that woudl strip out talk pages etc. from "what links here". I suspect it would be easy to writ though my JS skills are slightly lacking. Dalf | Talk 00:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
The reason I called it a slippery slope is that it leads to the idea that it's legitimate to edit other people's talk pages generally. This was illustrated by [8] , where even beyond disambiguating links on a talk page, Chidom added wikilinks retrospectively into other people's comments (including mine), where no links at all had existed. I'm quite capable of deciding for myself when I do and when I don't want wikilinks in my talk page comments. Furthermore, as I said above, to disambiguate a link which someone wrote changes the impression other readers gain of that person's posting. It's just as much a distortion of someone's comment to "improve" it by disguising their ignorance as it would be to make a change which lowered their apparent competence. Maru says "don't submit your writings if you don't want them mercilessly edited", apparently adapted from WP:5P, but the context of that pillar refers explicitly to articles, and it is not intended to apply to talk pages. As WP:TPG makes clear, the publishing quality standards for articles do not apply to talk pages. When carrying out discussions on talk pages, we need to be able to assume (without going through the history) that the text we are replying to is what the author wrote — not some sanitised or modified version. -- JimR 05:52, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
The July 17 dump is now posted for your disambiguating pleasure. I propose Charity for the new collaboration. It appears to be pretty easy -- most links should be redirected to Charitable organization; references to "acts of charity" or the "spirit of charity" or the like should be redirected to Charity (virtue). Comments? -- Russ Blau (talk) 14:37, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
I've been working on disambiguing Gallery, but a few questions have arisen that I'd love to have addressed. First, I've run across the issue of the use of the term gallery in a way that is not specified on the dab page. For instance, the article on the Chrysler Building has the term gallery used to reference a viewing gallery, one on the upper floor of a building that allows people to look out and view the skyline. (There is no article for viewing gallery, so I can't add it to the dab page.) Other articles have the same problem: gallery is used to reference the rear seating area of a theater, or a railed balcony on the outside of a building, etc etc. How do I deal with this?
Similarly, what is to be done on articles that link to the dab page for the definitions at the bottom? The gallery page, for example, has
Gallery may also refer to:
What do I do to articles that link to the dab page referencing those definitions, for which there is no article to link to? I thought of Wiktionary, but that doesn't seem to have sufficient definitions to cover all those different meanings.
Help would be much appreciated. I'm new to this, but I'd love to help out as much as I can. Alex Ditto 22:43, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Can I just add any disambig page to the list on the main page? Specifically, the Keyboard disambig page seems to have a fair number of links to it...Can I add it to the list myself? If so, where does it say how many pages link there? -- Crabbyass 23:51, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
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