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One of the great things about this project is the way it uses goals as an incentive. To expand upon that, I've created the Monthly DAB Challenge, a Toolserver project that keeps track of who fixes the most disambig links from the monthly top 250 list. My hope is to tap into the energy of those like myself who gain great pleasure from watching numbers go up; but even if this project doesn't increase the rate of dab-fixing, it will give much-deserved recognition to our contributors.
The details of how all this works are on the project page, so I won't rehash them here.
The "contest" for this month actually started April 13. After this, a new contest will be launched on the first of every month. Official winners will be posted for the entirety of the the first day of each month.
For the record, if I had started the contest on April 1, J04n would have a commanding lead right now, with about 1500 fixes (the man is hard core), followed by RussBot a few hundred behind.
I expect any bugs in my code to come apparent in this first run, so if you see problems, please let me know. Some incorrect attributions will be unavoidable, but I expect the results to be highly accurate.
I've been looking forward to launching this project for some time now. To the best of my knowledge, this is the first such project of its kind, and I'm pretty proud of it. Hopefully this is only the beginning of something big, something new for Wikipedia. We'll see. -- JaGa talk 02:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Should we switch to the July list, or keep working on the June one? The Dab Challenge page has stopped updating now that it's July, but JaGa has been busy (almost no edits in the last three weeks), so unless the page is programmed to roll over automatically, there won't be an update there. Dekimasu よ! 12:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
How does the counting work? Do I need to type something special as edit summary? -- Stone ( talk) 21:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
The Who's Who page is a problem. There is no appropriate page for many of the links. The dab page needs to be changed into a generic page describing what a Who's Who is and have it contain links to the main pages. I'll take a crack at it tonight but would appreciate any input. J04n( talk page) 23:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Amoeba used to have a page that started with:
“ | Amoeba (sometimes amœba or ameba, plural amoebae) is a term used either to describe protists that move by crawling via pseudopods, or to refer to a genus that includes species that move by this mechanism. [1] | ” |
It has since been moved to Amoeba (genus) and the former usage (generic term for protists that move by crawling) has been stripped from the lead. I initially fixed the links now pointing to the disambiguation page at Amoeba by piping them to Amoeba (genus), but was mass reverted by the initiator of the page move. After a maddening conversation with them, I'm now washing my hands of this matter save for this minor edit to the dab page to try and alleviate our readers' confusion at inexplicably ending up at a dab page. – xeno talk 19:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking of increasing the number of people listed on the leaderboard from 10 to 15 or 20. Of course, we could keep it as is because the project page has the full list. Suggestions? -- JaGa talk 17:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I began working on dab piping articles that linked to monks. However, all the articles thus far have only needed to be directed to monk, not the other uses. Shouldn't we just make "monks" direct to "monk"? As a relative newbie, I'm asking for a. bit of advice on how to go about it first. Thanks! WordyGirl90 ( talk) 15:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Judaization of Jerusalem is a fully protected page, as such only administrators can edit it. It links to 6 disambiguation pages: Fateh Islamic Jihad Israeli King Abdullah Palestinian and West Jerusalem. I am not an administrator so I can't edit, can any of you fix these? J04n( talk page) 12:47, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
The same problem exists for Nativity of Jesus. It links to Assyrians, Balthasar which redirects to Balthazar, Caspar which redirects to Casper, King of the Jews, Melchior, Mosaic Law which redirects to Mosaic law, and Tom Wright. Thanks in advance. J04n( talk page) 10:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
" The Daily Disambig" is a new daily report that slurps up all the tasty data found on User:JaGa's toolserver reports, digests, disinfects, deoxygenates, and otherwise processes it, and then regurgitates it in new and potentially useful or interesting forms. This is very much a work in progress, so if you have any ideas for how to improve it, please let me know. Also, I am considering abandoning the more cumbersome weekly maintenance reports, as the information they contain is duplicative of, and less current than, the toolserver reports; any comments on this proposal are also welcome. -- R'n'B ( call me Russ) 14:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
It's really interesting to see that dispite a major effort to disambiguate these pages all we are doing is treading water. J04n( talk page) 22:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
If possible, you might also want to consider noting the replication lag at the time the new numbers come through. Yesterday it was about 21 hours, meaning that only 3 hours of data went into the new information (which also explains why it looked like many fewer dab pages were created and destroyed yesterday). Dekimasu よ! 03:23, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Is there any way to parse out intentional links to disambig pages, like those put in hatnotes on similarly named pages, or in "see also" sections of similarly named disambig pages? Surely there are nearly as many of those as there are disambig pages themselves. bd2412 T 15:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm the process of disambiguating Uyghur, which could lead to a Central Asian ethnic group, their language, or their alphabets (the Uyghur language can be written in an old alphabet, an Arabic-like alphabet, and a Latin-alphabet). As you know, the initial sentence of an article often includes the term expressed in a foreign language/alphabet in parentheses). See for example, Tian Shan. Do you think I should just link to the Uyghur language article or to the article to the particular Uyghur alphabet which is being used in the article (which seems to be Arabic-like script in most cases). Thanks for your feedback. -- JamesAM ( talk) 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Any issues with setting up an archive bot for this page? I'm thinking a yearly archive and moving discussions about 30-45 days after the last comment. Vegaswikian ( talk) 17:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Can someone look at Unfair competition? It is marked as a disambiguation page but I don't believe that it should. J04n( talk page) 01:06, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the Dąbrowa dab page because it has around 120 links and I was going to fix some of them... but it appears that every one of the ~90 entries on the dab page has an otheruses3 tag attached (see Dąbrowa, Gmina Trzydnik Duży for a representative example), making it hard to find the real links. Technically they are intentional links, but are they really necessary? If this sort of widespread usage becomes a precedent, it would really increase the number of links to a lot of other pages on places (say, Springfield) and common last names. Dekimasu よ! 13:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure if anyone tried to notify me of this discussion, seeing as it was me (through my bot) that put these tags there, but I seem to have found it rather late. Anyway, the rationale for these links is based on the following hypothetical type of situation: user knows grandma lived in a village in Poland called Dąbrowa (or whatever - there are thousands of other names treated the same way), user sees a link to (or a search result for) a Polish village called Dąbrowa, user goes there, sees the article name is Dąbrowa, Foo (where Foo is some Polish administrative division which means nothing to user or probably even grandma), user ignores the Foo and just assumes it's the one. If there's a prominent hatnote informing of the existence of other Dąbrowas, user might not make that mistake. The difference with Springfield (I think) is that we assume English readers have some kind of orientation around the American states, and will know if they've gone to the wrong one.-- Kotniski ( talk) 17:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Some readers will always land on a page in a way that a finite number of editors will not anticipate.
I've stopped halfway, since I thought there was a consensus before I went to sleep last night, but now it appears there isn't. I still think the otheruses tag is inappropriate because the title of the specific articles aren't ambiguous, but I'll let the discussion develop here before doing anything else. Sorry to cause inconsistency. Dekimasu よ! 00:44, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
On Talk:Calf (disambiguation)#Requested move is a comment that the dab page really isn't a dab page. What do you think? -- Una Smith ( talk) 21:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Are there disambiguation pages where > 80% (say) of the inbound links - that are not in otheruses, etc - should all be redirected to the same target? Or are these well-monitored because of the reasonable ease with which they can be fixed? Cheers, - Jarry1250 ( t, c) 12:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I have looked at the archives but couldn't see a previous discussion of this (I could easily have missed it). I have just started contributing to the project by attempting fix links to " Conductor". In the case of a musical conductor, a redirect exists "Conductor (music)" pointing to the target article, " Conducting". This redirect is categorised as a " Redirect with possibilities". On the CAT:RWP page it states: "Important: Do not replace links to these redirects, with links directly to the target pages.". As I am fixing links to "Conductor", I am not going against this instruction, but wanted to know if I should be replacing links to "Conductor" with links to "Conductor (music)" or "Conducting". Hope this makes sense (and I'm not being dense). TheSmuel ( talk) 14:35, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I've now fixed all the EP links to point to Extended play (I found only one that needed to be pointed elsewhere). bd2412 T 02:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Can someone take a look at Message? I don't think it is a dab and would like a second opinion. J04n( talk page) 22:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Can we set up a bot that will pick out pages to which links to disambig pages have recently been added, find the edit in which that link was added, and send a talk page message to the person who added the link saying something to the effect of
The bot could be instructed to ignore links in hatnotes and perhaps links in the "see also" sections of disambig pages, or other places where intentional links to disambig pages are likely to be put. bd2412 T 01:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I can't figure out how to fix the pages inked to ICD-10 Chapter H. There is somekind of a template for the infobox and I'm a loss as to how to edit it. J04n( talk page) 15:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
I have, in my time, made more than a few dozen disambig pages (see User:BD2412/Contributions - Projects and tools#Disambiguation pages). Would it be possible for a report to be generated on the number of links to each of those pages? I'd rather like to clean them up, and to hit the most-linked first. bd2412 T 01:29, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Here are some things I'd like to see:
Cheers! bd2412 T 16:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Also useful would be an optional filter on WhatLinksHere so that it only shows article namespace pages. As per WP:DPL I'm fixing only pages in article namespace, and this would be much easier if the WhatLinksHere list didn't show all of the other (user, talk archive, etc) pages. Mitch Ames ( talk) 10:04, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Come on now, where are those lists, my wiki-fu people! Regarding the hatnotes, I am interested in articles where the link occurs in one of the template hatnotes, as all hatnotes should be in a template - for convenience, I think we can limit those to {{for|, {{otheruses| (with various numbers), and {{redirect|. bd2412 T 17:22, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Can we have a bot go through the redirect lists and wipe out the ones that are clearly not a problem? I have noticed a number of common patterns that can safely be ignored:
We only need to parse out problem redirects (for example, why is it that 'Us redirected to Uz (now fixed), (Chrome (XM) redirected to Chrome (redirect now deleted), and (Fmr.) Father still redirects to Salesian School (no idea what to do with this one). bd2412 T 07:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Note: I'm about a third of the way through with crunching redirects to sort out those which are problematic. Cheers! bd2412 T 00:24, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Whatlinkshere appears to be somewhat broken at the moment, as you can't go either forward or back from the second page of links. I left a note at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) and tried to look for something in MediaWiki that would have broken things, but no luck so far. Anyone have any ideas? Dekimasu よ! 04:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Both Aryan and Aryans now redirect here, which accounts for virtually all incoming links. Seems awfully wrong to me. bd2412 T 16:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I would like to delete everything but the headers from the following pages:
My rationale is that each of these pages is now just a link farm clogging up the "what links here" pages of the disambig links (and no-longer-disambig links on the page). Please note that editors do sometimes need to parse through more than just article links, and in any event I doubt anyone is paying any mind to these old dumps (and if they do want to look at an old version, that's a history click away). Any objections? bd2412 T 04:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Discussing page moves involving Aberdeen (see Talk:Aberdeen), I noticed that for over a year now Aberdeen (disambiguation) has been getting over 1,700 page views per month. The only incoming link from mainspace is from Aberdeen. It occurs to me that counting page views on "foo (disambiguation)" pages might help this project find misplaced dab pages that most urgently need fixing. -- Una Smith ( talk) 22:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Seems a bit flawed to bring a second discussion here today when it's been going on quite productively at Talk:Aberdeen. Please, editors, consider treating this entry as merely a heads-up and keep the discussion in one place. – Kieran T ( talk) 16:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
There are numerous instances of New York City subway stations redirecting to the disambig page for their street name. For example, 125th Street (New York City Subway station), 125th Street (New York City Subway), and 125th Street (New York Subway) all redirect to 125th Street. I understand that there are numerous subway stations on 125th Street in New York, but is this the best way to resolve that? After all, there are also numerous 125th Streets in other places. bd2412 T 04:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Redirects to 3D include the following: Three-dimensional, Three dimensional, 3-dimensional, 3-Dimensional, Three dimension, Three dimensions, 3-dimension, 3 dimension, 3 dimensional, 3-dimensions, 3 dimensions, Three Dimensional, and Three dimensional (disambiguation). I propose that all except the last one be re-redirected to point to Three-dimensional space, since that is the meaning of "3D" that appears most consonant with the concept of being three-dimensional. bd2412 T 06:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
The small number of pages left over from the June toolserver report has made it easy to run a few checks on what happened to dabs that were in the top 250 on June 1. I found that the number of ambiguous links declined for 227/250 of the listings (91%). The number of ambiguous links rose for only 21/250 pages (8%), and for only two pages ( Homogeneity and Urban) did the number of incoming links rise by more than ten (+12 and +11, respectively). Anyway, here are the others that increased over the last month; it's perhaps an indication that no one is watching them and that they're ripe for the picking, or just that they need your loving care: Consulting, Convergence, Sociopathy, Humanist, Form, Deformation, Equilibrium, Sage, Emission, Alpine, Convex, Civil law, Value, Antisocial, Islamic Jihad, Control, Intuition, Schism, and Chaldean. Dekimasu よ! 12:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Although there are still ten days left for the July toolserver report, I ran the same sort of link check I tried out for last month's report. So far this month, the number of links has declined for 213/250 of the listings (85%) and has risen for 28/250 of the listings (11%). Once again, only two pages have gone up by more than ten links; they are Development (+11) and Public Service (+13). I'll run a full check on the June problem pages and do an update on this month's results again around August 1. Dekimasu よ! 04:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Arm (disambiguation)/version 2 redirects to Arm (disambiguation) - obviously a useless redirect, but it has a substantial edit history, apparently having been a sounding board for a dispute over the content of the disambig page. I'm thinking of moving it to project space as a subpage of this project (or maybe just of Wikipedia:Disambiguation and labeling it an archive. bd2412 T 01:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Recent discussion on Talk:Waikato (region/district) has identified a large muddle involving incoming links to Waikato (region/district) and Waikato. It is premature to fix incoming links, but the disambiguation page would benefit from additional work. Does anyone here know the North Island of New Zealand? -- Una Smith ( talk) 05:26, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
The Daily Disambig may not be updated for the next several days. I have had a problem with the service that hosts the bot, and I am out of town for a few days and can't do much about it. Hopefully it should be back by Monday at the latest. -- R'n'B ( call me Russ) 17:23, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Some articles link to the Typology disambiguation page because one of the definitions, typology in psychology, has no article associated with it. I think it would be better to leave these links alone, with the hope that an article on the topic will be written. Links to disambiguation pages aren't necessarily bad, and judgment should be used before they're removed. Unless someone objects, I'm planning to undo these overzealous changes. ThreeOfCups ( talk) 02:51, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
This edit deleted from Cow (disambiguation) a long list of plant common names (cow vetch, cow lily, etc) and other articles. It may be related to an ongoing debate over whether to move the disambiguation page to Cow (now a redirect). Experienced eyes would be appreciated. -- Una Smith ( talk) 19:52, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps this should be an index, or an article of its own. All the page really does is list different specific applications of virtualization in computing - and this happens to be one of our top targets of disambig links, with many hits that are hard to "fix" because many refer to the general topic rather than one of those specific applications. bd2412 T 02:29, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
The original authors were just trying to fix a ton of red links. They should have been created as redirects to sections in platform virtualization, but we can still fix that. UncleDouggie ( talk) 07:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC)This page is thus probably more of a sub-article to virtualization than a legitimate stand-alone term. However it is used in enough places that at least it needs a link target!
All incoming links have been fixed. UncleDouggie ( talk) 00:26, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
The Wikilink Barnstar | ||
Today we broke through the psychological boundary of 100,000 ambiguous links from active articles (articles with more than 100 such links). That makes this our first day under 100K since at least March 2008. It also represents a drop of more than 50% since the first WP:DPM update using the toolserver report in February, and a drop of more than one in three since WP:TDD came up on June 1. And since June 1, we've gone from 73 pages of 200 or more ambiguous links to just 6. So to everyone who's helped out over the last few months, have a barnstar on me. Dekimasu よ! 10:06, 24 July 2009 (UTC) |
I have a strategy for dealing with the Public school link flood: I am running a script now to identify the categories that contain large numbers of articles linking to this dab page. I suspect that in many cases all of the articles in the category will go to the same target: for example, any article in a category such as Category:Schools in Oklahoma would obviously mean to link to Public school (government funded) rather than Public school (UK). Mass-editing articles that meet this criteria should get rid of many easy cases and leave a more reasonable set of articles to deal with manually. -- R'n'B ( call me Russ) 14:00, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
{{
Infobox school}}
which has a parameter fundingtype
. If fundingtype = Public
, the infobox automatically links to the disambiguation page. However, you can safely change this to fundingtype = [[Public school (government funded)|Public]]
(or another link) without breaking the display.fundingtype = [[Public university|Public]]
. --
R'n'B (
call me Russ) 07:55, 26 July 2009 (UTC)Anyone feel like dealing with the links to Baltic? Basically I think Baltic should redirect to Baltic Sea, since it's clearly a primary use (there's the Baltic States as well, but that name isn't generally shortened to just Baltic, whereas the Sea is). So the majority of links (those that are intended to point to Baltic Sea) could be left alone.-- Kotniski ( talk) 07:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
If it stays down, what do we want to do about starting an August dump? As it stands, does anyone have data more recent thahttp://www.facebook.com/n last week's WP:DPM update? I've been throwing them into AppleWorks spreadsheets to check numbers sometimes, but it never occurred to me to save those lists. Dekimasu よ! 04:01, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
The dab challenge leaderboard has apparently chosen the links it wants to use for August, although it is calling it the list from the beginning of July. It appears to me to be approximately the list from July 31 (the system is still reporting the replication lag at over 4 days). The missing page appears to be Arica (129 links), which was since turned into a redirect. Should we throw up the new list using these? I've put them in a text-only file at User:Dekimasu/Temporary 8-2009 DPL in case this is our only chance at original link counts. I'd agree with BD2412 that we could just continue working on the old list, but for the past few days it hasn't appeared that anyone is inclined to do that. Dekimasu よ! 08:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
The ongoing problems with the toolserver has caused the results of July's contest to be lost. Could we get some unofficial guesstimates of where it was when it went down? I need to populate the HOF table - the missing HOF data is causing the current challenge to think it's still July. I know Woohookitty won, and Jo4n was in second, but I don't remember who got third and fourth, and what anyone's totals were. -- JaGa talk 09:26, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I ran across the accompanying project (WP) sub-page by chance (inspecting a What links here!), tho i was already aware of the intensification of the underlying effort. Have you thot abt announcing it at WT:Disambiguation? Maybe even at the higher-traffic WT:MOSDAB in the form
since one hopes a significant number who seldom venture to
WT:MOSDAB will have some interest.
--
Jerzy•
t 06:56, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
I didn't get a chance to do this while we were list-less, but I went through and compared the July list with the August list to find out what happened to dabs that were in the top 250 on July 1. The number of ambiguous links declined for 242/250 pages (97%), and rose for only 6/250 pages (2%). That's considerably better than the numbers that were already good in June. The only page that went up by more than ten links was Immunity, which went from 133 links when at Immunity (legal) to 185 links after a merge to the plain title. The others that rose were Connection, Convex (for the second consecutive month), Kamboja, Vedic (a recurring problem page), and Dynamics. Dekimasu よ! 10:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Can any of you figure out how Roman Catholic Diocese of Santarém, Brazil links to the disambiguation page Santarém? For the life of me I can't figure this thing out. Thanks J04n( talk page) 10:42, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
The preceding was a bit confusing, so I'll say here what I think is happening. The default parameter (or the one labeled '1') in the template {{ Wikisource1913CatholicEnc}} is output as a "link" both to the wikisource page at '1' and this link also shows up in "what links here". So if the 'Wikisource1913CatholicEnc' parameter used in an article is the same as the title of a disambiguation page, then you will get a link showing up in "what links here". Ultimately, you will need to get someone to either redesign that template, or explain why such 'shadow' links are good. Carcharoth ( talk) 23:02, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Would anyone here be able to help and advise on the following? If the WikiProject talk page is better for this, or the guideline talk page, just say so and I'll go there instead.
I think that was all the questions I had. Thanks in advance, and hope someone has some answers! Carcharoth ( talk) 03:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't think Warbler is a dab, would appreciate a second opinion, if it is it will be impossible to disambiguate. J04n( talk page) 23:10, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
It occurs to me a list of the 10 or 100 disambiguation pages with the most page views per week or per month would help us to target disambiguation messes involving a putative primary topic article. For example, Worm (disambiguation), which has 94 incoming links, gets about 110 page views per day, probably because Worms redirects to it. Durham (disambiguation), which has 5 incoming links, gets about 20 page views per day, probably from Durham. Paris (disambiguation) gets about 180 pages views per day; London (disambiguation) gets about 130... -- Una Smith ( talk) 04:13, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | Archive 13 | Archive 14 | Archive 15 |
One of the great things about this project is the way it uses goals as an incentive. To expand upon that, I've created the Monthly DAB Challenge, a Toolserver project that keeps track of who fixes the most disambig links from the monthly top 250 list. My hope is to tap into the energy of those like myself who gain great pleasure from watching numbers go up; but even if this project doesn't increase the rate of dab-fixing, it will give much-deserved recognition to our contributors.
The details of how all this works are on the project page, so I won't rehash them here.
The "contest" for this month actually started April 13. After this, a new contest will be launched on the first of every month. Official winners will be posted for the entirety of the the first day of each month.
For the record, if I had started the contest on April 1, J04n would have a commanding lead right now, with about 1500 fixes (the man is hard core), followed by RussBot a few hundred behind.
I expect any bugs in my code to come apparent in this first run, so if you see problems, please let me know. Some incorrect attributions will be unavoidable, but I expect the results to be highly accurate.
I've been looking forward to launching this project for some time now. To the best of my knowledge, this is the first such project of its kind, and I'm pretty proud of it. Hopefully this is only the beginning of something big, something new for Wikipedia. We'll see. -- JaGa talk 02:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Should we switch to the July list, or keep working on the June one? The Dab Challenge page has stopped updating now that it's July, but JaGa has been busy (almost no edits in the last three weeks), so unless the page is programmed to roll over automatically, there won't be an update there. Dekimasu よ! 12:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
How does the counting work? Do I need to type something special as edit summary? -- Stone ( talk) 21:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
The Who's Who page is a problem. There is no appropriate page for many of the links. The dab page needs to be changed into a generic page describing what a Who's Who is and have it contain links to the main pages. I'll take a crack at it tonight but would appreciate any input. J04n( talk page) 23:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Amoeba used to have a page that started with:
“ | Amoeba (sometimes amœba or ameba, plural amoebae) is a term used either to describe protists that move by crawling via pseudopods, or to refer to a genus that includes species that move by this mechanism. [1] | ” |
It has since been moved to Amoeba (genus) and the former usage (generic term for protists that move by crawling) has been stripped from the lead. I initially fixed the links now pointing to the disambiguation page at Amoeba by piping them to Amoeba (genus), but was mass reverted by the initiator of the page move. After a maddening conversation with them, I'm now washing my hands of this matter save for this minor edit to the dab page to try and alleviate our readers' confusion at inexplicably ending up at a dab page. – xeno talk 19:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking of increasing the number of people listed on the leaderboard from 10 to 15 or 20. Of course, we could keep it as is because the project page has the full list. Suggestions? -- JaGa talk 17:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I began working on dab piping articles that linked to monks. However, all the articles thus far have only needed to be directed to monk, not the other uses. Shouldn't we just make "monks" direct to "monk"? As a relative newbie, I'm asking for a. bit of advice on how to go about it first. Thanks! WordyGirl90 ( talk) 15:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Judaization of Jerusalem is a fully protected page, as such only administrators can edit it. It links to 6 disambiguation pages: Fateh Islamic Jihad Israeli King Abdullah Palestinian and West Jerusalem. I am not an administrator so I can't edit, can any of you fix these? J04n( talk page) 12:47, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
The same problem exists for Nativity of Jesus. It links to Assyrians, Balthasar which redirects to Balthazar, Caspar which redirects to Casper, King of the Jews, Melchior, Mosaic Law which redirects to Mosaic law, and Tom Wright. Thanks in advance. J04n( talk page) 10:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
" The Daily Disambig" is a new daily report that slurps up all the tasty data found on User:JaGa's toolserver reports, digests, disinfects, deoxygenates, and otherwise processes it, and then regurgitates it in new and potentially useful or interesting forms. This is very much a work in progress, so if you have any ideas for how to improve it, please let me know. Also, I am considering abandoning the more cumbersome weekly maintenance reports, as the information they contain is duplicative of, and less current than, the toolserver reports; any comments on this proposal are also welcome. -- R'n'B ( call me Russ) 14:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
It's really interesting to see that dispite a major effort to disambiguate these pages all we are doing is treading water. J04n( talk page) 22:47, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
If possible, you might also want to consider noting the replication lag at the time the new numbers come through. Yesterday it was about 21 hours, meaning that only 3 hours of data went into the new information (which also explains why it looked like many fewer dab pages were created and destroyed yesterday). Dekimasu よ! 03:23, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Is there any way to parse out intentional links to disambig pages, like those put in hatnotes on similarly named pages, or in "see also" sections of similarly named disambig pages? Surely there are nearly as many of those as there are disambig pages themselves. bd2412 T 15:45, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm the process of disambiguating Uyghur, which could lead to a Central Asian ethnic group, their language, or their alphabets (the Uyghur language can be written in an old alphabet, an Arabic-like alphabet, and a Latin-alphabet). As you know, the initial sentence of an article often includes the term expressed in a foreign language/alphabet in parentheses). See for example, Tian Shan. Do you think I should just link to the Uyghur language article or to the article to the particular Uyghur alphabet which is being used in the article (which seems to be Arabic-like script in most cases). Thanks for your feedback. -- JamesAM ( talk) 02:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Any issues with setting up an archive bot for this page? I'm thinking a yearly archive and moving discussions about 30-45 days after the last comment. Vegaswikian ( talk) 17:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Can someone look at Unfair competition? It is marked as a disambiguation page but I don't believe that it should. J04n( talk page) 01:06, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the Dąbrowa dab page because it has around 120 links and I was going to fix some of them... but it appears that every one of the ~90 entries on the dab page has an otheruses3 tag attached (see Dąbrowa, Gmina Trzydnik Duży for a representative example), making it hard to find the real links. Technically they are intentional links, but are they really necessary? If this sort of widespread usage becomes a precedent, it would really increase the number of links to a lot of other pages on places (say, Springfield) and common last names. Dekimasu よ! 13:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure if anyone tried to notify me of this discussion, seeing as it was me (through my bot) that put these tags there, but I seem to have found it rather late. Anyway, the rationale for these links is based on the following hypothetical type of situation: user knows grandma lived in a village in Poland called Dąbrowa (or whatever - there are thousands of other names treated the same way), user sees a link to (or a search result for) a Polish village called Dąbrowa, user goes there, sees the article name is Dąbrowa, Foo (where Foo is some Polish administrative division which means nothing to user or probably even grandma), user ignores the Foo and just assumes it's the one. If there's a prominent hatnote informing of the existence of other Dąbrowas, user might not make that mistake. The difference with Springfield (I think) is that we assume English readers have some kind of orientation around the American states, and will know if they've gone to the wrong one.-- Kotniski ( talk) 17:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Some readers will always land on a page in a way that a finite number of editors will not anticipate.
I've stopped halfway, since I thought there was a consensus before I went to sleep last night, but now it appears there isn't. I still think the otheruses tag is inappropriate because the title of the specific articles aren't ambiguous, but I'll let the discussion develop here before doing anything else. Sorry to cause inconsistency. Dekimasu よ! 00:44, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
On Talk:Calf (disambiguation)#Requested move is a comment that the dab page really isn't a dab page. What do you think? -- Una Smith ( talk) 21:32, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Are there disambiguation pages where > 80% (say) of the inbound links - that are not in otheruses, etc - should all be redirected to the same target? Or are these well-monitored because of the reasonable ease with which they can be fixed? Cheers, - Jarry1250 ( t, c) 12:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I have looked at the archives but couldn't see a previous discussion of this (I could easily have missed it). I have just started contributing to the project by attempting fix links to " Conductor". In the case of a musical conductor, a redirect exists "Conductor (music)" pointing to the target article, " Conducting". This redirect is categorised as a " Redirect with possibilities". On the CAT:RWP page it states: "Important: Do not replace links to these redirects, with links directly to the target pages.". As I am fixing links to "Conductor", I am not going against this instruction, but wanted to know if I should be replacing links to "Conductor" with links to "Conductor (music)" or "Conducting". Hope this makes sense (and I'm not being dense). TheSmuel ( talk) 14:35, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I've now fixed all the EP links to point to Extended play (I found only one that needed to be pointed elsewhere). bd2412 T 02:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Can someone take a look at Message? I don't think it is a dab and would like a second opinion. J04n( talk page) 22:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Can we set up a bot that will pick out pages to which links to disambig pages have recently been added, find the edit in which that link was added, and send a talk page message to the person who added the link saying something to the effect of
The bot could be instructed to ignore links in hatnotes and perhaps links in the "see also" sections of disambig pages, or other places where intentional links to disambig pages are likely to be put. bd2412 T 01:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I can't figure out how to fix the pages inked to ICD-10 Chapter H. There is somekind of a template for the infobox and I'm a loss as to how to edit it. J04n( talk page) 15:34, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
I have, in my time, made more than a few dozen disambig pages (see User:BD2412/Contributions - Projects and tools#Disambiguation pages). Would it be possible for a report to be generated on the number of links to each of those pages? I'd rather like to clean them up, and to hit the most-linked first. bd2412 T 01:29, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Here are some things I'd like to see:
Cheers! bd2412 T 16:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Also useful would be an optional filter on WhatLinksHere so that it only shows article namespace pages. As per WP:DPL I'm fixing only pages in article namespace, and this would be much easier if the WhatLinksHere list didn't show all of the other (user, talk archive, etc) pages. Mitch Ames ( talk) 10:04, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Come on now, where are those lists, my wiki-fu people! Regarding the hatnotes, I am interested in articles where the link occurs in one of the template hatnotes, as all hatnotes should be in a template - for convenience, I think we can limit those to {{for|, {{otheruses| (with various numbers), and {{redirect|. bd2412 T 17:22, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Can we have a bot go through the redirect lists and wipe out the ones that are clearly not a problem? I have noticed a number of common patterns that can safely be ignored:
We only need to parse out problem redirects (for example, why is it that 'Us redirected to Uz (now fixed), (Chrome (XM) redirected to Chrome (redirect now deleted), and (Fmr.) Father still redirects to Salesian School (no idea what to do with this one). bd2412 T 07:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Note: I'm about a third of the way through with crunching redirects to sort out those which are problematic. Cheers! bd2412 T 00:24, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Whatlinkshere appears to be somewhat broken at the moment, as you can't go either forward or back from the second page of links. I left a note at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) and tried to look for something in MediaWiki that would have broken things, but no luck so far. Anyone have any ideas? Dekimasu よ! 04:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Both Aryan and Aryans now redirect here, which accounts for virtually all incoming links. Seems awfully wrong to me. bd2412 T 16:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
I would like to delete everything but the headers from the following pages:
My rationale is that each of these pages is now just a link farm clogging up the "what links here" pages of the disambig links (and no-longer-disambig links on the page). Please note that editors do sometimes need to parse through more than just article links, and in any event I doubt anyone is paying any mind to these old dumps (and if they do want to look at an old version, that's a history click away). Any objections? bd2412 T 04:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Discussing page moves involving Aberdeen (see Talk:Aberdeen), I noticed that for over a year now Aberdeen (disambiguation) has been getting over 1,700 page views per month. The only incoming link from mainspace is from Aberdeen. It occurs to me that counting page views on "foo (disambiguation)" pages might help this project find misplaced dab pages that most urgently need fixing. -- Una Smith ( talk) 22:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Seems a bit flawed to bring a second discussion here today when it's been going on quite productively at Talk:Aberdeen. Please, editors, consider treating this entry as merely a heads-up and keep the discussion in one place. – Kieran T ( talk) 16:03, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
There are numerous instances of New York City subway stations redirecting to the disambig page for their street name. For example, 125th Street (New York City Subway station), 125th Street (New York City Subway), and 125th Street (New York Subway) all redirect to 125th Street. I understand that there are numerous subway stations on 125th Street in New York, but is this the best way to resolve that? After all, there are also numerous 125th Streets in other places. bd2412 T 04:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Redirects to 3D include the following: Three-dimensional, Three dimensional, 3-dimensional, 3-Dimensional, Three dimension, Three dimensions, 3-dimension, 3 dimension, 3 dimensional, 3-dimensions, 3 dimensions, Three Dimensional, and Three dimensional (disambiguation). I propose that all except the last one be re-redirected to point to Three-dimensional space, since that is the meaning of "3D" that appears most consonant with the concept of being three-dimensional. bd2412 T 06:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
The small number of pages left over from the June toolserver report has made it easy to run a few checks on what happened to dabs that were in the top 250 on June 1. I found that the number of ambiguous links declined for 227/250 of the listings (91%). The number of ambiguous links rose for only 21/250 pages (8%), and for only two pages ( Homogeneity and Urban) did the number of incoming links rise by more than ten (+12 and +11, respectively). Anyway, here are the others that increased over the last month; it's perhaps an indication that no one is watching them and that they're ripe for the picking, or just that they need your loving care: Consulting, Convergence, Sociopathy, Humanist, Form, Deformation, Equilibrium, Sage, Emission, Alpine, Convex, Civil law, Value, Antisocial, Islamic Jihad, Control, Intuition, Schism, and Chaldean. Dekimasu よ! 12:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Although there are still ten days left for the July toolserver report, I ran the same sort of link check I tried out for last month's report. So far this month, the number of links has declined for 213/250 of the listings (85%) and has risen for 28/250 of the listings (11%). Once again, only two pages have gone up by more than ten links; they are Development (+11) and Public Service (+13). I'll run a full check on the June problem pages and do an update on this month's results again around August 1. Dekimasu よ! 04:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Arm (disambiguation)/version 2 redirects to Arm (disambiguation) - obviously a useless redirect, but it has a substantial edit history, apparently having been a sounding board for a dispute over the content of the disambig page. I'm thinking of moving it to project space as a subpage of this project (or maybe just of Wikipedia:Disambiguation and labeling it an archive. bd2412 T 01:02, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Recent discussion on Talk:Waikato (region/district) has identified a large muddle involving incoming links to Waikato (region/district) and Waikato. It is premature to fix incoming links, but the disambiguation page would benefit from additional work. Does anyone here know the North Island of New Zealand? -- Una Smith ( talk) 05:26, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
The Daily Disambig may not be updated for the next several days. I have had a problem with the service that hosts the bot, and I am out of town for a few days and can't do much about it. Hopefully it should be back by Monday at the latest. -- R'n'B ( call me Russ) 17:23, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Some articles link to the Typology disambiguation page because one of the definitions, typology in psychology, has no article associated with it. I think it would be better to leave these links alone, with the hope that an article on the topic will be written. Links to disambiguation pages aren't necessarily bad, and judgment should be used before they're removed. Unless someone objects, I'm planning to undo these overzealous changes. ThreeOfCups ( talk) 02:51, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
This edit deleted from Cow (disambiguation) a long list of plant common names (cow vetch, cow lily, etc) and other articles. It may be related to an ongoing debate over whether to move the disambiguation page to Cow (now a redirect). Experienced eyes would be appreciated. -- Una Smith ( talk) 19:52, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps this should be an index, or an article of its own. All the page really does is list different specific applications of virtualization in computing - and this happens to be one of our top targets of disambig links, with many hits that are hard to "fix" because many refer to the general topic rather than one of those specific applications. bd2412 T 02:29, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
The original authors were just trying to fix a ton of red links. They should have been created as redirects to sections in platform virtualization, but we can still fix that. UncleDouggie ( talk) 07:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC)This page is thus probably more of a sub-article to virtualization than a legitimate stand-alone term. However it is used in enough places that at least it needs a link target!
All incoming links have been fixed. UncleDouggie ( talk) 00:26, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
The Wikilink Barnstar | ||
Today we broke through the psychological boundary of 100,000 ambiguous links from active articles (articles with more than 100 such links). That makes this our first day under 100K since at least March 2008. It also represents a drop of more than 50% since the first WP:DPM update using the toolserver report in February, and a drop of more than one in three since WP:TDD came up on June 1. And since June 1, we've gone from 73 pages of 200 or more ambiguous links to just 6. So to everyone who's helped out over the last few months, have a barnstar on me. Dekimasu よ! 10:06, 24 July 2009 (UTC) |
I have a strategy for dealing with the Public school link flood: I am running a script now to identify the categories that contain large numbers of articles linking to this dab page. I suspect that in many cases all of the articles in the category will go to the same target: for example, any article in a category such as Category:Schools in Oklahoma would obviously mean to link to Public school (government funded) rather than Public school (UK). Mass-editing articles that meet this criteria should get rid of many easy cases and leave a more reasonable set of articles to deal with manually. -- R'n'B ( call me Russ) 14:00, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
{{
Infobox school}}
which has a parameter fundingtype
. If fundingtype = Public
, the infobox automatically links to the disambiguation page. However, you can safely change this to fundingtype = [[Public school (government funded)|Public]]
(or another link) without breaking the display.fundingtype = [[Public university|Public]]
. --
R'n'B (
call me Russ) 07:55, 26 July 2009 (UTC)Anyone feel like dealing with the links to Baltic? Basically I think Baltic should redirect to Baltic Sea, since it's clearly a primary use (there's the Baltic States as well, but that name isn't generally shortened to just Baltic, whereas the Sea is). So the majority of links (those that are intended to point to Baltic Sea) could be left alone.-- Kotniski ( talk) 07:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
If it stays down, what do we want to do about starting an August dump? As it stands, does anyone have data more recent thahttp://www.facebook.com/n last week's WP:DPM update? I've been throwing them into AppleWorks spreadsheets to check numbers sometimes, but it never occurred to me to save those lists. Dekimasu よ! 04:01, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
The dab challenge leaderboard has apparently chosen the links it wants to use for August, although it is calling it the list from the beginning of July. It appears to me to be approximately the list from July 31 (the system is still reporting the replication lag at over 4 days). The missing page appears to be Arica (129 links), which was since turned into a redirect. Should we throw up the new list using these? I've put them in a text-only file at User:Dekimasu/Temporary 8-2009 DPL in case this is our only chance at original link counts. I'd agree with BD2412 that we could just continue working on the old list, but for the past few days it hasn't appeared that anyone is inclined to do that. Dekimasu よ! 08:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
The ongoing problems with the toolserver has caused the results of July's contest to be lost. Could we get some unofficial guesstimates of where it was when it went down? I need to populate the HOF table - the missing HOF data is causing the current challenge to think it's still July. I know Woohookitty won, and Jo4n was in second, but I don't remember who got third and fourth, and what anyone's totals were. -- JaGa talk 09:26, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I ran across the accompanying project (WP) sub-page by chance (inspecting a What links here!), tho i was already aware of the intensification of the underlying effort. Have you thot abt announcing it at WT:Disambiguation? Maybe even at the higher-traffic WT:MOSDAB in the form
since one hopes a significant number who seldom venture to
WT:MOSDAB will have some interest.
--
Jerzy•
t 06:56, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
I didn't get a chance to do this while we were list-less, but I went through and compared the July list with the August list to find out what happened to dabs that were in the top 250 on July 1. The number of ambiguous links declined for 242/250 pages (97%), and rose for only 6/250 pages (2%). That's considerably better than the numbers that were already good in June. The only page that went up by more than ten links was Immunity, which went from 133 links when at Immunity (legal) to 185 links after a merge to the plain title. The others that rose were Connection, Convex (for the second consecutive month), Kamboja, Vedic (a recurring problem page), and Dynamics. Dekimasu よ! 10:18, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Can any of you figure out how Roman Catholic Diocese of Santarém, Brazil links to the disambiguation page Santarém? For the life of me I can't figure this thing out. Thanks J04n( talk page) 10:42, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
The preceding was a bit confusing, so I'll say here what I think is happening. The default parameter (or the one labeled '1') in the template {{ Wikisource1913CatholicEnc}} is output as a "link" both to the wikisource page at '1' and this link also shows up in "what links here". So if the 'Wikisource1913CatholicEnc' parameter used in an article is the same as the title of a disambiguation page, then you will get a link showing up in "what links here". Ultimately, you will need to get someone to either redesign that template, or explain why such 'shadow' links are good. Carcharoth ( talk) 23:02, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Would anyone here be able to help and advise on the following? If the WikiProject talk page is better for this, or the guideline talk page, just say so and I'll go there instead.
I think that was all the questions I had. Thanks in advance, and hope someone has some answers! Carcharoth ( talk) 03:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't think Warbler is a dab, would appreciate a second opinion, if it is it will be impossible to disambiguate. J04n( talk page) 23:10, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
It occurs to me a list of the 10 or 100 disambiguation pages with the most page views per week or per month would help us to target disambiguation messes involving a putative primary topic article. For example, Worm (disambiguation), which has 94 incoming links, gets about 110 page views per day, probably because Worms redirects to it. Durham (disambiguation), which has 5 incoming links, gets about 20 page views per day, probably from Durham. Paris (disambiguation) gets about 180 pages views per day; London (disambiguation) gets about 130... -- Una Smith ( talk) 04:13, 26 August 2009 (UTC)