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Continuing the string of quick dumps, there's a new one dated September 8 that's in progress right now. If Russ processes it, it'll be interesting to see what it does to WP:DPM. DPM is currently showing the lowest number of active links on record and is close to going south of 50,000. On the other hand, I don't think there's anyone who would argue we that we should stop work on the current dump when it's only half done. At the current rate, we're on track to be all through with this one when the hypothetical October dump rolls around.... Dekimasu よ! 14:56, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
The most recent dump attempt appears to have failed. Dekimasu よ! 04:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Currently, dablinks are a hidden problem - as long as the page is in accordance with WP:MOS-DAB, the average editor visiting an overloaded dab has no reason to suspect that anything is wrong. To help raise awareness and cut the backlog here, I have been working on a maintenance template to be added to disambiguation pages that have a large link backup (it's currently at User:Dekimasu/Incoming links). I've done my best to conform to the rules for formatting templates and make it look as official as possible, and it comes out something like this when applied to articles: Congo, Athletics, Newfoundland. I have a few questions before transferring this to the template namespace, though.
Thanks in advance for feedback. I've had less internet access lately, but I'm still trying to think of ways to help out DPL. Dekimasu よ! 12:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
← Is this a date based template for tracking purposes? It seems like the systems in place do a pretty good job of that. Beyond that function, I don't know how I feel about the tradeoff of visually distracting elements on the tops of pages vs. recruiting people to help on disambiguation. Do people think seeing these will help get the page delinked, or is it just template creep? - cohesion 01:13, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Today I disambiguated Batavia. The original article on Batavia had disambgiguation links added to the end of it. I kept the Batavia article and moved the disambiguation links to a new article: Batavia (disambiguation). I then set out to disambiguate the original article as several links to it needed to point to one of the alternative pages. ʍαμ$ʏ5043 11:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I was just cleaning up List of botanists by author abbreviation when I realized that there were times that it could have been a useful resource when I was fixing links. Let's say an article on conifers linked to Gordon; checking this list would probably be faster than looking at names on the Gordon page (in this hypothetical case the right guy isn't on the Gordon page anyway). These might also be useful:
Hope some of you find this useful. Chris the speller 16:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm an extremely new wikipedian, and I thought I'd try and help with "concave". However, I've so far the vast majority have been people talking about things that are just generally concave-shaped (like kidneys, or electorates after gerrymandering, or whatever) and seem to simply refer to the general meaning of the word - the articles on "concave" refer to mathematical concavity.
Now, the guide says that delinking is probably the best bet here, and the manual of style for linking seems to agree. As far as I can tell, my only other option is to create whole loads of red links to something like Concave (basic shape), which would seem to be a definition - which is bad, right?
I was worried, though, because I don't want my first contribution to be rampant, mistaken delinking. I'm still happy to deal with all the links to the dab pages, but could I get some advice here? Tweetlebeetle367 11:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
In the last few days, Liberal has been redirected to Liberal (disambiguation) instead of Liberalism and Conservative has been redirected to Conservatism (disambiguation) instead of Conservatism. Together they account for 1500-2000 links. There is a move request underway to send Liberal (disambiguation) to the plain title, and Conservatism (disambiguation) has also become a likely move candidate. Feel free to help fix links and/or comment with your thoughts at Talk:Liberal (disambiguation). Dekimasu よ! 02:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
There's probably a guide on this somewhere, but I'm just wondering when it's appropriate to link to Brazilian people. In the sentence, "He is a [[Brazilian]] politician" or some such, does it go to Brazil or Brazilian people? -- Closedmouth 08:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I've been spending the last couple of days on this and I've done about 300. Most of the rest should be left pointing to the disambiguation page because they refer to the Congo region in general rather than one of the countries named Congo, but these still need disambiguating because I can't find sources to help me decide which way to go:
List of camouflage patterns
Patrice Bouédibéla
Ärsenik
Dornier Do 27
Ponta da Fragatas
Tone Brulin
Willie Brigitte
Farai Sevenzo
Sans Pression
Sacrifice Day
and these spiders:
Myrmarachne
Alfenus
Belippo
Dasycyptus
Hasarius (now ok, as of 2008-04-10)
Hyllus (genus)
Pharacocerus
Simaetha
Deinopis
Thelcticopis
Phil Bridger 16:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Anyone have any idea if the recent bugs have been worked out of CorHomo? I'd like to give it a go, but I know absolutely nothing about java, so I just need it to work (vs. me actually working on it). Cheers, PaddyM 03:49, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to outwit CorHomo when I discovered several dozen links to "Grants", which is a rdr to "Grant". Most of these links should be directed to "Grant (money)", so I added fake disambig lines below the #REDIRECT line in "Grants". Anything below that line does not show up when the rdr is viewed (except while editing), and does not affect the function of the redirect. The only indication that something extra is there is the revision history. You can even put these lines within an invisible comment if you like; CorHomo seems to go line-by-line, not properly parsing long multi-line comments. After I added "* [[Grant (money)]]" and "{{ disambig}}" to the "Grants" rdr page, CorHomo zipped through the incoming links very nicely. You can probably get away with leaving these extra lines in a rdr page if it is one where you frequently need to clean up links with CorHomo. Adding a disambig template within a multi-line comment should also work for pages that use the hndis template, which CorHomo doesn't recognize as a dab page. Have fun! Chris the speller ( talk) 00:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Please could someone keep a regular eye on Georgia? I have been doing this (it attracts links every day) but unfortunately I am no longer able to. Thank you. DuncanHill ( talk) 18:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I have ran across a something that I'm not sure how to fix while working on Fullback. For an example see Justin Green (American football) it uses Template:Infobox NFLactive with a parameter "currentposition" and makes the value of the parameter a link. How can I change the Fullback link to Fullback (American football) without changing the text that is displayed? Note: a piped link like the one used for college parameter does not seem to work. Ryan Roos ( talk) 04:09, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
An obvious exception to this is where "partitions" redirects to partition (etc.). Another is boilerplate "otheruses"-type links. Has anyone compiled any list of such clear exceptions? Michael Hardy ( talk) 01:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
There is also a category called Category:Disambiguation which was created specifically to prevent dab pages from showing up on lists of orphaned articles.
Actually, I've been thinking of incorporating some version of this text in the WP:DAB guideline. Comments? -- Steven J. Anderson ( talk) 04:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Could someone who knows something about templates go to Template:Infobox Dotcom company and disambiguate the word "services" by piping it to Service (economics). "Services" is a redirect to "Service," the top page on our list. For an example of how this link looks on a page, see Scrabulous.
-- Steven J. Anderson ( talk) 15:40, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, new here, trying to help...I killed all the mainspace Disamb for CINEMA and now I'm working on ALIENATION...many times it seems there isn't really a good place to link them, more like they need a dictionary definition than, say, the Social Alienation page...do I just delink, or do I link to wiktionary?
Also, I went to work on Aquatic, but it seems that all the aquatic critters are listed as such and I'm not sure if I should link them over to "ocean" "aquatic ecosystem" or once again, just the definition of Aquatic. I'm hesitant to link to just Ocean as the critters could live in lakes/rivers/small mud puddles.
Help :) Legotech ( talk) 18:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your QUICK help! I've been kind of nervous making all these edits...nice to know I'm on the right track! Legotech ( talk) 19:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Can someone take a look at the dab page for Teflon? An anon user says don't redirect, someone else suggests non stick surfaces which seems to make sense because it links to all three chemicals...I'll happily tackle it if someone smarter than I am can help me figure it out :) Legotech ( talk) 19:34, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you! I'll pick something else to poke at :) Legotech ( talk) 22:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone see why Cumberland—Colchester—Musquodoboit Valley and Mississauga—Streetsville still link to Independent? I think the former has to do with Template:Infobox Canada electoral district, and so the latter might be driven by its infobox, but I've exhausted my knowlege, and my patience. It's only 2 links, so it's not a matter of importance, only a matter of curiosity. Thanks in advance. -- AndrewHowse ( talk) 17:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I see that User:Pinkkeith has redirected Full back to Fullback which is a dab page, instead of having [Full back]] point to a soccer page as it used to do. I suppose it's a more logical approach, but it's added a couple of dozen links to the dab page, in effect. I've asked him to clean up after himself - we'll see what happens. -- AndrewHowse ( talk) 15:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
In the last days, I have worked on Wikipedia Cleaner mainly to improve performance (when gathering informations from Wikipedia servers) and I am pretty happy with the result (auto-congratulations ;) ).
If people are using it from time to time, can you tell me if you see a notable difference in performances compared to previous versions ?
For others, can you tell me what tools you are using for this project, and why ? That will probably give me good ideas for future evolutions of my tool. -- NicoV ( talk) 19:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Should talk, user or archive pages be corrected to point to the correct article when fixing disambiguation links? Andareed ( talk) 23:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
In the Tools section of this page there is a link for downloading CorHomo from this page. From there, the most obvious place to click was, to me at least, the hyperlinked word "CorHomo". But this downloads version 1.3.2, which no longer works on the English Wikipedia. The functional Version 1.3.3 can be downloaded by clicking the link http://personales.ya.com/osiris/CorHomo1.3.3-JJvaca.exe on the same page. There's also the link http://personales.ya.com/osiris/CorHomo1.3.3-Jjvaca.tcl, though I have no idea what this is. I've updated the project page to better guide editors to the correct link, but still it's a bit confusing. Is there any reason we can't link version 1.3.3 directly from this page? I'd add the link myself, but I'm not sure whether I'm missing something, nor what the tcl file is for. Adrian J. Hunter( talk• contribs) 14:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi I think this is the best place to ask my question, I've been working on fixing links to well but there are a few pages that I'm not sure what to change the link to. I think they need more the deffinition than a dab page, see Borehole and Polaron there are a few more but I'm really not sure what to do. Thanks in advance Ayls ( talk) 21:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
API is back as a DAB, someone undid the redirect...there's over 500 links to the DAB and 99.9% of them are for the programming language. Anyway we can do it and then protect it? I think that sometimes people don't understand that we aren't saying one deifinition is more correct than another, but its just the one that most people are looking for. I think 500 DAB links proves which one people are looking for :) Legotech ( talk) 17:45, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
I have just released a new version of WikiCleaner which can do semi-automatic fixing.
An example on the french Wikipedia with the dab page Gironde :
![]() | Please check that the expression are correct before running. |
In my test, fixing started at 12:51 with 1150 linked articles and ended at 13:58 with 664 linked articles. So, 486 articles fixed by themselves in 1:07 (and also about a hundred articles partially fixed). I could probably speedup the fixing, but I am not sure it's necessary.
PS: I don't know the policy on the English Wikipedia, but this kind of feature may require the bot flag to be used. On the French Wikipedia, I am using a dedicated account WikiCleanerBot for WikiCleaner.
I hope this feature will be useful for you.
-- NicoV ( talk) 13:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | → | Archive 15 |
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | → | Archive 15 |
Continuing the string of quick dumps, there's a new one dated September 8 that's in progress right now. If Russ processes it, it'll be interesting to see what it does to WP:DPM. DPM is currently showing the lowest number of active links on record and is close to going south of 50,000. On the other hand, I don't think there's anyone who would argue we that we should stop work on the current dump when it's only half done. At the current rate, we're on track to be all through with this one when the hypothetical October dump rolls around.... Dekimasu よ! 14:56, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
The most recent dump attempt appears to have failed. Dekimasu よ! 04:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Currently, dablinks are a hidden problem - as long as the page is in accordance with WP:MOS-DAB, the average editor visiting an overloaded dab has no reason to suspect that anything is wrong. To help raise awareness and cut the backlog here, I have been working on a maintenance template to be added to disambiguation pages that have a large link backup (it's currently at User:Dekimasu/Incoming links). I've done my best to conform to the rules for formatting templates and make it look as official as possible, and it comes out something like this when applied to articles: Congo, Athletics, Newfoundland. I have a few questions before transferring this to the template namespace, though.
Thanks in advance for feedback. I've had less internet access lately, but I'm still trying to think of ways to help out DPL. Dekimasu よ! 12:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
← Is this a date based template for tracking purposes? It seems like the systems in place do a pretty good job of that. Beyond that function, I don't know how I feel about the tradeoff of visually distracting elements on the tops of pages vs. recruiting people to help on disambiguation. Do people think seeing these will help get the page delinked, or is it just template creep? - cohesion 01:13, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Today I disambiguated Batavia. The original article on Batavia had disambgiguation links added to the end of it. I kept the Batavia article and moved the disambiguation links to a new article: Batavia (disambiguation). I then set out to disambiguate the original article as several links to it needed to point to one of the alternative pages. ʍαμ$ʏ5043 11:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I was just cleaning up List of botanists by author abbreviation when I realized that there were times that it could have been a useful resource when I was fixing links. Let's say an article on conifers linked to Gordon; checking this list would probably be faster than looking at names on the Gordon page (in this hypothetical case the right guy isn't on the Gordon page anyway). These might also be useful:
Hope some of you find this useful. Chris the speller 16:14, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm an extremely new wikipedian, and I thought I'd try and help with "concave". However, I've so far the vast majority have been people talking about things that are just generally concave-shaped (like kidneys, or electorates after gerrymandering, or whatever) and seem to simply refer to the general meaning of the word - the articles on "concave" refer to mathematical concavity.
Now, the guide says that delinking is probably the best bet here, and the manual of style for linking seems to agree. As far as I can tell, my only other option is to create whole loads of red links to something like Concave (basic shape), which would seem to be a definition - which is bad, right?
I was worried, though, because I don't want my first contribution to be rampant, mistaken delinking. I'm still happy to deal with all the links to the dab pages, but could I get some advice here? Tweetlebeetle367 11:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
In the last few days, Liberal has been redirected to Liberal (disambiguation) instead of Liberalism and Conservative has been redirected to Conservatism (disambiguation) instead of Conservatism. Together they account for 1500-2000 links. There is a move request underway to send Liberal (disambiguation) to the plain title, and Conservatism (disambiguation) has also become a likely move candidate. Feel free to help fix links and/or comment with your thoughts at Talk:Liberal (disambiguation). Dekimasu よ! 02:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
There's probably a guide on this somewhere, but I'm just wondering when it's appropriate to link to Brazilian people. In the sentence, "He is a [[Brazilian]] politician" or some such, does it go to Brazil or Brazilian people? -- Closedmouth 08:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I've been spending the last couple of days on this and I've done about 300. Most of the rest should be left pointing to the disambiguation page because they refer to the Congo region in general rather than one of the countries named Congo, but these still need disambiguating because I can't find sources to help me decide which way to go:
List of camouflage patterns
Patrice Bouédibéla
Ärsenik
Dornier Do 27
Ponta da Fragatas
Tone Brulin
Willie Brigitte
Farai Sevenzo
Sans Pression
Sacrifice Day
and these spiders:
Myrmarachne
Alfenus
Belippo
Dasycyptus
Hasarius (now ok, as of 2008-04-10)
Hyllus (genus)
Pharacocerus
Simaetha
Deinopis
Thelcticopis
Phil Bridger 16:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Anyone have any idea if the recent bugs have been worked out of CorHomo? I'd like to give it a go, but I know absolutely nothing about java, so I just need it to work (vs. me actually working on it). Cheers, PaddyM 03:49, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I wanted to outwit CorHomo when I discovered several dozen links to "Grants", which is a rdr to "Grant". Most of these links should be directed to "Grant (money)", so I added fake disambig lines below the #REDIRECT line in "Grants". Anything below that line does not show up when the rdr is viewed (except while editing), and does not affect the function of the redirect. The only indication that something extra is there is the revision history. You can even put these lines within an invisible comment if you like; CorHomo seems to go line-by-line, not properly parsing long multi-line comments. After I added "* [[Grant (money)]]" and "{{ disambig}}" to the "Grants" rdr page, CorHomo zipped through the incoming links very nicely. You can probably get away with leaving these extra lines in a rdr page if it is one where you frequently need to clean up links with CorHomo. Adding a disambig template within a multi-line comment should also work for pages that use the hndis template, which CorHomo doesn't recognize as a dab page. Have fun! Chris the speller ( talk) 00:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Please could someone keep a regular eye on Georgia? I have been doing this (it attracts links every day) but unfortunately I am no longer able to. Thank you. DuncanHill ( talk) 18:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
I have ran across a something that I'm not sure how to fix while working on Fullback. For an example see Justin Green (American football) it uses Template:Infobox NFLactive with a parameter "currentposition" and makes the value of the parameter a link. How can I change the Fullback link to Fullback (American football) without changing the text that is displayed? Note: a piped link like the one used for college parameter does not seem to work. Ryan Roos ( talk) 04:09, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
An obvious exception to this is where "partitions" redirects to partition (etc.). Another is boilerplate "otheruses"-type links. Has anyone compiled any list of such clear exceptions? Michael Hardy ( talk) 01:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
There is also a category called Category:Disambiguation which was created specifically to prevent dab pages from showing up on lists of orphaned articles.
Actually, I've been thinking of incorporating some version of this text in the WP:DAB guideline. Comments? -- Steven J. Anderson ( talk) 04:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Could someone who knows something about templates go to Template:Infobox Dotcom company and disambiguate the word "services" by piping it to Service (economics). "Services" is a redirect to "Service," the top page on our list. For an example of how this link looks on a page, see Scrabulous.
-- Steven J. Anderson ( talk) 15:40, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, new here, trying to help...I killed all the mainspace Disamb for CINEMA and now I'm working on ALIENATION...many times it seems there isn't really a good place to link them, more like they need a dictionary definition than, say, the Social Alienation page...do I just delink, or do I link to wiktionary?
Also, I went to work on Aquatic, but it seems that all the aquatic critters are listed as such and I'm not sure if I should link them over to "ocean" "aquatic ecosystem" or once again, just the definition of Aquatic. I'm hesitant to link to just Ocean as the critters could live in lakes/rivers/small mud puddles.
Help :) Legotech ( talk) 18:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your QUICK help! I've been kind of nervous making all these edits...nice to know I'm on the right track! Legotech ( talk) 19:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Can someone take a look at the dab page for Teflon? An anon user says don't redirect, someone else suggests non stick surfaces which seems to make sense because it links to all three chemicals...I'll happily tackle it if someone smarter than I am can help me figure it out :) Legotech ( talk) 19:34, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Thank you! I'll pick something else to poke at :) Legotech ( talk) 22:37, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Can anyone see why Cumberland—Colchester—Musquodoboit Valley and Mississauga—Streetsville still link to Independent? I think the former has to do with Template:Infobox Canada electoral district, and so the latter might be driven by its infobox, but I've exhausted my knowlege, and my patience. It's only 2 links, so it's not a matter of importance, only a matter of curiosity. Thanks in advance. -- AndrewHowse ( talk) 17:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
I see that User:Pinkkeith has redirected Full back to Fullback which is a dab page, instead of having [Full back]] point to a soccer page as it used to do. I suppose it's a more logical approach, but it's added a couple of dozen links to the dab page, in effect. I've asked him to clean up after himself - we'll see what happens. -- AndrewHowse ( talk) 15:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
In the last days, I have worked on Wikipedia Cleaner mainly to improve performance (when gathering informations from Wikipedia servers) and I am pretty happy with the result (auto-congratulations ;) ).
If people are using it from time to time, can you tell me if you see a notable difference in performances compared to previous versions ?
For others, can you tell me what tools you are using for this project, and why ? That will probably give me good ideas for future evolutions of my tool. -- NicoV ( talk) 19:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Should talk, user or archive pages be corrected to point to the correct article when fixing disambiguation links? Andareed ( talk) 23:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
In the Tools section of this page there is a link for downloading CorHomo from this page. From there, the most obvious place to click was, to me at least, the hyperlinked word "CorHomo". But this downloads version 1.3.2, which no longer works on the English Wikipedia. The functional Version 1.3.3 can be downloaded by clicking the link http://personales.ya.com/osiris/CorHomo1.3.3-JJvaca.exe on the same page. There's also the link http://personales.ya.com/osiris/CorHomo1.3.3-Jjvaca.tcl, though I have no idea what this is. I've updated the project page to better guide editors to the correct link, but still it's a bit confusing. Is there any reason we can't link version 1.3.3 directly from this page? I'd add the link myself, but I'm not sure whether I'm missing something, nor what the tcl file is for. Adrian J. Hunter( talk• contribs) 14:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi I think this is the best place to ask my question, I've been working on fixing links to well but there are a few pages that I'm not sure what to change the link to. I think they need more the deffinition than a dab page, see Borehole and Polaron there are a few more but I'm really not sure what to do. Thanks in advance Ayls ( talk) 21:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
API is back as a DAB, someone undid the redirect...there's over 500 links to the DAB and 99.9% of them are for the programming language. Anyway we can do it and then protect it? I think that sometimes people don't understand that we aren't saying one deifinition is more correct than another, but its just the one that most people are looking for. I think 500 DAB links proves which one people are looking for :) Legotech ( talk) 17:45, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi,
I have just released a new version of WikiCleaner which can do semi-automatic fixing.
An example on the french Wikipedia with the dab page Gironde :
![]() | Please check that the expression are correct before running. |
In my test, fixing started at 12:51 with 1150 linked articles and ended at 13:58 with 664 linked articles. So, 486 articles fixed by themselves in 1:07 (and also about a hundred articles partially fixed). I could probably speedup the fixing, but I am not sure it's necessary.
PS: I don't know the policy on the English Wikipedia, but this kind of feature may require the bot flag to be used. On the French Wikipedia, I am using a dedicated account WikiCleanerBot for WikiCleaner.
I hope this feature will be useful for you.
-- NicoV ( talk) 13:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | → | Archive 15 |