Please stay calm and civil while commenting or presenting evidence, and do not make personal attacks. Be patient when approaching solutions to any issues. If consensus is not reached, other solutions exist to draw attention and ensure that more editors mediate or comment on the dispute. |
The issues of verification have been brought up in regards to determining that a wikipedian has died. If it is acceptable to the community, I would like to centralize the discussion here. I'd ask all participants to please remain calm, civil, and respectful. Thank you. — Ched : ? 22:37, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Generally speaking, anything that we do or say on Wikipedia has minimal effect on others. Even at our rudest, all we can do is irritate another volunteer, or confuse our significant others when explaining a particular string of Wikipedia jargon. There are however, a few exceptions, and one is speaking with non-Wikipedian family members. As collective, we are incredibly narcissistic. We care about our rules, our standards, and our policies, all of which are totally usually foreign to those outside our community. If we are serious about creating guidelines about deceased Wikipedians, we need to be serious about instructing Wikipedians on how to talk to outsiders during a death notification or death verification. We cannot do, what we too often do: muck around, demand adherence to our many, many policies, confuse, bluster, and fume at outsiders who don't adapt quickly to our ways.
As I see it we have three principle options:
This is not something we can handle in our normal amateur way. This is one of those few times where we make traction with the real world, and real people can be emotionally hurt because of our collective actions. Lets get this right.-- Tznkai ( talk) 00:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
In regards to the verification issues and OTRS. I see two fundamental forks that need to be addressed at this point.
Please stay calm and civil while commenting or presenting evidence, and do not make personal attacks. Be patient when approaching solutions to any issues. If consensus is not reached, other solutions exist to draw attention and ensure that more editors mediate or comment on the dispute. |
The issues of verification have been brought up in regards to determining that a wikipedian has died. If it is acceptable to the community, I would like to centralize the discussion here. I'd ask all participants to please remain calm, civil, and respectful. Thank you. — Ched : ? 22:37, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
Generally speaking, anything that we do or say on Wikipedia has minimal effect on others. Even at our rudest, all we can do is irritate another volunteer, or confuse our significant others when explaining a particular string of Wikipedia jargon. There are however, a few exceptions, and one is speaking with non-Wikipedian family members. As collective, we are incredibly narcissistic. We care about our rules, our standards, and our policies, all of which are totally usually foreign to those outside our community. If we are serious about creating guidelines about deceased Wikipedians, we need to be serious about instructing Wikipedians on how to talk to outsiders during a death notification or death verification. We cannot do, what we too often do: muck around, demand adherence to our many, many policies, confuse, bluster, and fume at outsiders who don't adapt quickly to our ways.
As I see it we have three principle options:
This is not something we can handle in our normal amateur way. This is one of those few times where we make traction with the real world, and real people can be emotionally hurt because of our collective actions. Lets get this right.-- Tznkai ( talk) 00:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
In regards to the verification issues and OTRS. I see two fundamental forks that need to be addressed at this point.