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This page contains old talk from September 30, 2004 to january 1 2005, archived from Wikipedia talk:Collaboration of the week (previously known as Wikipedia talk:Article of the week).
There have been a lot of new Collaborations of the week popping up for specific subjects (such as Magic Collaboration of the Week) so, following the trend, I've put together a page for gamers to work together to collaborate on various computer and video game articles. The page, Wikipedia:Gaming Collaboration of the week, will run similarly to COTW, but will focus on articles pertaining to gaming. If you're interested in helping out, go ahead and introduce yourself in Wikipedia:Gaming Collaboration of the week's talk page. Please post any comments/questions/etc. there too. Thanks a lot; I hope Wikipedia:Gaming Collaboration of the week will lead to valuable contributions on Wikipedia! -- pie4all88 21:41, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
With the new regional COTWs and topic COTWs (magic, gaming, TV) is the idea getting too stretched out or will it benefit more articles? violet/riga (t) 07:38, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
This expansion is the best thing to have happened in a while, IMHO. The main COTW can tend to be a beauty contest so the other variants allow focus to fall on articles that would never make it here. The ultimate aim should be to have every major article listed on FA, no? Filiocht 07:46, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Looks like you people are suffering the same idea as the stub sorting. --[[User:AllyUnion| AllyUnion (talk)]] 06:09, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I moved the collaboration of the week template to the talk page. This is information for editors, not readers. Pcb21| Pete 08:52, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Over at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates, the Congo Civil War nod is being shot down quickly. Anyone care to defend, further improve? -- user:zanimum
I am spurred by user:zanimum's nomination of Congo Civil War to try to revive the earlier discussion of fix-its, for further rounds of collaboration needed to make an article feature-quality.
Here are a couple options, in which a previous CotW would become a new CotW, for further work:
![]() | Though this project is inactive, you can help with : Won Tae-yeon (random unreferenced BLP of the day for 6 Jul 2024 - provided by User:AnomieBOT/RandomPage via WP:RANDUNREF). |
What would you say about supplementing votes with pledging (to contribute)? I suggest to introduce it gradually. First couple of months use pledge counts to break vote ties and to collect statistics, whether it will make sense to give pledges larger weight. To prevent false pledges: If someone pledges and then skips, he may be awarded with a boo-star. Mikkalai 23:51, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
(back to the left) I rather like the tag idea, but who is going to put that tag on up to 45 user talk pages? -- ALoan (Talk) 14:09, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Didn't work with the CSB project. - Xed 18:30, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Re the pledging idea - I think it would work well. Okay, voting would go down, but not by too much, and people who contributed just to fulfill their pledge could end up contributing majorly. Lets give it a try. JOHN COLLISON [ L u d r a m an] 23:23, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I voted for this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help [insert name here] become a featured article.
That strikes me as being rather more democratic. - Litefantastic 01:14, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Please do not include the template ({{COTWvoter}}) but rather transclude (I hope this is the right term) it ({{subst:COTWvoter}}) to allow for updates/future weeks, etc. Thanks. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:36, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
An article can spend a month on this page (well, not this page; this is the talk page...you know what I mean) before it can actually be put under the torch. I think this is too long. One solution has been to create separate COTWs for different things, but I wonder if maybe we should have more than one page being worked on each week - to COTWs each week. What do you think? - Litefantastic 12:52, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
(returning to the margin) I've just been looking at
Culture of Greece and I think that the publicising of this article has worked well so far in attracting editors. The key thing is to get the selection process down to not more than 4 weeks (I'd actually prefer three). I think that ALoan's changes should help us get there. Do not give up on this concept just yet, guys.
Filiocht 15:35, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
It seems to me that the structure of the COTW may be fundamentally flawed. There is a rather arbitrary and extended voting process, which does not tend to produce enough significant collaboration to produce featured articles on the assembly line. For example, check out recent collaboration African Union, which is a couple of basic paragraphs and a few lists, well formatted certainly, and no doubt spell-and-grammar-checked by a thousand eyeballs, but not even mentioning Muammar al-Qaddafi, whose idea the whole thing was, a fact that might make some view the proposed aims of democracy and human rights in a little different light. Now I'm not criticizing the few substantial contributors to the article (or the African Union, for that matter, which despite its dubious visionary is an organization of great promise), but it does seem clear to me that this is not much more than an individual could do.
Why do we even have votes? By the time an article can win COTW, most supporters seem to either have forgotten about it or lost interest. Not to mention articles with many votes that can never be written because of one slow week in the lengthy voting process. Now we have just one COTW at a time, often on a subject which has a limited interest base. Let's just set up an open page of collaboration proposals which can sit there for a set one or two weeks while some random team of a handful of high interest contributors can collect around it. Best of all, we have instant satisfaction, and anyone can find a collaboration they can contribute to at any time. Let a thousand flowers bloom, and a couple of dozen collaborations a week flourish.-- Pharos 15:14, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I think any of these proposals would be a wise step, as the nomination time is (I think) not helping the output of this project. From what I've seen, the really successful ones need one or more driven people who are willing to write the meat of the article, and then others seem to feel more able to chip and add bits and pieces. At the moment, it takes so long that those people have probably lost interest. For example, I was the one who nominated African Union, and I'd probably have done my best to push that along, but by the time it came up (two or three months later), I was studying for exams.
As an example, for the Australian COTW, our first project, Cyclone Tracy, became a featured article very quickly. It stalled at first, and then two of us wrote most of the article - then others joined in and added bits and pieces. Since then, the two of us have been busy with other things, and no one has really been there to drive the individual projects along - and hence, very little work has occureed. Maybe we need some sort of requirement for a certain number of people to commit to getting started and getting the meat of the article together. Ambi 13:36, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
There seems to be some level of interest in improving the COOTW process. Maybe we need to tap into this by creating a Wikipedia talk:Collaboration of the week/Brainstorming improvements page for people to dump their suggestions on and then run those suggestions through a selection and verification process (not simple voting!) to try to come up with an improvement plan. What does everyone think? Filiocht 16:05, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)
Comments welcome on any of the above. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:03, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
IIRC, the German, Japanese and Dutch Wikipedias have something similar to our CotW, but they focus on a subject with multiple articles instead of one article. That might be a good idea. The main benefit with it, I think, is that it allows for more flexibility in those who want to improve an article, and would be much more involved to nominate; this would thusly encourage people to improve the subject of the week and spend less time coming up with new articles for others to write about. For example, I write mostly about music, which intersects with articles on dance. I have come to the conclusion that Wikipedia's dance coverage is atrocious -- what information exists is hard to find and difficult to understand. However, there are no articles which are very suitable CotWs (except maybe choreography... maybe). Nevertheless, dance and various related articles could be much improved, and there are copious Internet resources to help, thus making it a good collaboration. I'm envisioning a nomination looking something like the below. (if anyone can fill in the details on what de, nl and ja do, please do so, as it could be helpful for us) Also, if we are talking about ways to improve Wikipedian collaboration, see the Featured Albums Project and WikiProject:World music's Phase 2 goals for some other collaboration systems I've come up with. Tuf-Kat 04:25, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
Are previous votes archived somewhere after deletion from the main article page (e.g., like now, after U.S. embargo against Cuba won the race)? Mikkalai 20:51, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
If anyone wants to help me, I am starting at the top of this list and adding {{subst:COTWvoter}} to eac user's talk page. If you start at the bottom, we should meet in the middle. Thanks. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:43, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I've had limited contributions to CotW, for various reasons. But I'm considering an additional form of CotW. If you’re interested, please see Wikipedia:Breadth and quality. Maurreen 02:34, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Indian reservation's 35th vote has been retracted hours after the nominee's deadline to reach 35 votes. Should the nomination be deemed to have failed immediately or should it be given an extension (of say 24 hours) to meet the 35 vote threshold given that people who might have voted for the article might have thought it unnecessary since it seemed to be safe? What is the policy regarding vote retractions (2 have occured in this case)? Particularly what is the policy for vote retractions that would retroactively disqualify a candidate? AndyL 15:48, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I'm not sure I like the new Template:FAPath - the top of the page is really cluttered now, what with the WP:COTW shortcut, Template:CurrentCOTW and Template:COTWs. Comments? -- ALoan (Talk) 11:06, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Is there an easy way of posting messages on the talk pages of all those who voted for African art that the article has won election as COTW? (ie a way to post a message on multiple talk pages simultaneously)? Posting the same message on 25 odd talk pages is somewhat tedious. AndyL 18:36, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
To anyone who is using either of these templates. Please be advised, {{sectstub}} != (does not equal) {{sect-stub}}. Please remember to include the section number when using {{sect-stub}}. -- AllyUnion (talk) 13:09, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The concept of pruning is fine, but there is no date on the articles up for CTOW, so how do we know when to prune? - Amgine 22:47, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
With the Christmas holidays should we delay the next COTW selection by a week until Jan 2, 2005 (and give all current nominees a one week grace period?)? I don't think a COTW for December 26 - January 2 will get very much work done on it. AndyL 17:24, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I don't want to be too bold on this, so I'll ask for input. Does anyone else think that maybe we should get rid of at least one template? Multiple templates + my monitor resolution = squeezed text and one headache trying to read some things. But then again, others may like the templates. So what do you think? -- The KoG | Talk 14:03, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)
Well, the consensus above seems to be that the FAPath one was unnecessary, and one user referred to it as "horrible". So that one, I guess. -- The KoG | Talk 17:02, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)
OK, I moved the FAPath template farther down the page, which should satisfy both my screwed up text and those who want to keep the template. -- The KoG | Talk 20:40, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
This page contains old talk from September 30, 2004 to january 1 2005, archived from Wikipedia talk:Collaboration of the week (previously known as Wikipedia talk:Article of the week).
There have been a lot of new Collaborations of the week popping up for specific subjects (such as Magic Collaboration of the Week) so, following the trend, I've put together a page for gamers to work together to collaborate on various computer and video game articles. The page, Wikipedia:Gaming Collaboration of the week, will run similarly to COTW, but will focus on articles pertaining to gaming. If you're interested in helping out, go ahead and introduce yourself in Wikipedia:Gaming Collaboration of the week's talk page. Please post any comments/questions/etc. there too. Thanks a lot; I hope Wikipedia:Gaming Collaboration of the week will lead to valuable contributions on Wikipedia! -- pie4all88 21:41, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
With the new regional COTWs and topic COTWs (magic, gaming, TV) is the idea getting too stretched out or will it benefit more articles? violet/riga (t) 07:38, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
This expansion is the best thing to have happened in a while, IMHO. The main COTW can tend to be a beauty contest so the other variants allow focus to fall on articles that would never make it here. The ultimate aim should be to have every major article listed on FA, no? Filiocht 07:46, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Looks like you people are suffering the same idea as the stub sorting. --[[User:AllyUnion| AllyUnion (talk)]] 06:09, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I moved the collaboration of the week template to the talk page. This is information for editors, not readers. Pcb21| Pete 08:52, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Over at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates, the Congo Civil War nod is being shot down quickly. Anyone care to defend, further improve? -- user:zanimum
I am spurred by user:zanimum's nomination of Congo Civil War to try to revive the earlier discussion of fix-its, for further rounds of collaboration needed to make an article feature-quality.
Here are a couple options, in which a previous CotW would become a new CotW, for further work:
![]() | Though this project is inactive, you can help with : Won Tae-yeon (random unreferenced BLP of the day for 6 Jul 2024 - provided by User:AnomieBOT/RandomPage via WP:RANDUNREF). |
What would you say about supplementing votes with pledging (to contribute)? I suggest to introduce it gradually. First couple of months use pledge counts to break vote ties and to collect statistics, whether it will make sense to give pledges larger weight. To prevent false pledges: If someone pledges and then skips, he may be awarded with a boo-star. Mikkalai 23:51, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
(back to the left) I rather like the tag idea, but who is going to put that tag on up to 45 user talk pages? -- ALoan (Talk) 14:09, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Didn't work with the CSB project. - Xed 18:30, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Re the pledging idea - I think it would work well. Okay, voting would go down, but not by too much, and people who contributed just to fulfill their pledge could end up contributing majorly. Lets give it a try. JOHN COLLISON [ L u d r a m an] 23:23, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I voted for this week's Collaboration of the week. Please come and help [insert name here] become a featured article.
That strikes me as being rather more democratic. - Litefantastic 01:14, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Please do not include the template ({{COTWvoter}}) but rather transclude (I hope this is the right term) it ({{subst:COTWvoter}}) to allow for updates/future weeks, etc. Thanks. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:36, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
An article can spend a month on this page (well, not this page; this is the talk page...you know what I mean) before it can actually be put under the torch. I think this is too long. One solution has been to create separate COTWs for different things, but I wonder if maybe we should have more than one page being worked on each week - to COTWs each week. What do you think? - Litefantastic 12:52, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
(returning to the margin) I've just been looking at
Culture of Greece and I think that the publicising of this article has worked well so far in attracting editors. The key thing is to get the selection process down to not more than 4 weeks (I'd actually prefer three). I think that ALoan's changes should help us get there. Do not give up on this concept just yet, guys.
Filiocht 15:35, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
It seems to me that the structure of the COTW may be fundamentally flawed. There is a rather arbitrary and extended voting process, which does not tend to produce enough significant collaboration to produce featured articles on the assembly line. For example, check out recent collaboration African Union, which is a couple of basic paragraphs and a few lists, well formatted certainly, and no doubt spell-and-grammar-checked by a thousand eyeballs, but not even mentioning Muammar al-Qaddafi, whose idea the whole thing was, a fact that might make some view the proposed aims of democracy and human rights in a little different light. Now I'm not criticizing the few substantial contributors to the article (or the African Union, for that matter, which despite its dubious visionary is an organization of great promise), but it does seem clear to me that this is not much more than an individual could do.
Why do we even have votes? By the time an article can win COTW, most supporters seem to either have forgotten about it or lost interest. Not to mention articles with many votes that can never be written because of one slow week in the lengthy voting process. Now we have just one COTW at a time, often on a subject which has a limited interest base. Let's just set up an open page of collaboration proposals which can sit there for a set one or two weeks while some random team of a handful of high interest contributors can collect around it. Best of all, we have instant satisfaction, and anyone can find a collaboration they can contribute to at any time. Let a thousand flowers bloom, and a couple of dozen collaborations a week flourish.-- Pharos 15:14, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I think any of these proposals would be a wise step, as the nomination time is (I think) not helping the output of this project. From what I've seen, the really successful ones need one or more driven people who are willing to write the meat of the article, and then others seem to feel more able to chip and add bits and pieces. At the moment, it takes so long that those people have probably lost interest. For example, I was the one who nominated African Union, and I'd probably have done my best to push that along, but by the time it came up (two or three months later), I was studying for exams.
As an example, for the Australian COTW, our first project, Cyclone Tracy, became a featured article very quickly. It stalled at first, and then two of us wrote most of the article - then others joined in and added bits and pieces. Since then, the two of us have been busy with other things, and no one has really been there to drive the individual projects along - and hence, very little work has occureed. Maybe we need some sort of requirement for a certain number of people to commit to getting started and getting the meat of the article together. Ambi 13:36, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
There seems to be some level of interest in improving the COOTW process. Maybe we need to tap into this by creating a Wikipedia talk:Collaboration of the week/Brainstorming improvements page for people to dump their suggestions on and then run those suggestions through a selection and verification process (not simple voting!) to try to come up with an improvement plan. What does everyone think? Filiocht 16:05, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)
Comments welcome on any of the above. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:03, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
IIRC, the German, Japanese and Dutch Wikipedias have something similar to our CotW, but they focus on a subject with multiple articles instead of one article. That might be a good idea. The main benefit with it, I think, is that it allows for more flexibility in those who want to improve an article, and would be much more involved to nominate; this would thusly encourage people to improve the subject of the week and spend less time coming up with new articles for others to write about. For example, I write mostly about music, which intersects with articles on dance. I have come to the conclusion that Wikipedia's dance coverage is atrocious -- what information exists is hard to find and difficult to understand. However, there are no articles which are very suitable CotWs (except maybe choreography... maybe). Nevertheless, dance and various related articles could be much improved, and there are copious Internet resources to help, thus making it a good collaboration. I'm envisioning a nomination looking something like the below. (if anyone can fill in the details on what de, nl and ja do, please do so, as it could be helpful for us) Also, if we are talking about ways to improve Wikipedian collaboration, see the Featured Albums Project and WikiProject:World music's Phase 2 goals for some other collaboration systems I've come up with. Tuf-Kat 04:25, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)
Are previous votes archived somewhere after deletion from the main article page (e.g., like now, after U.S. embargo against Cuba won the race)? Mikkalai 20:51, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)
If anyone wants to help me, I am starting at the top of this list and adding {{subst:COTWvoter}} to eac user's talk page. If you start at the bottom, we should meet in the middle. Thanks. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:43, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I've had limited contributions to CotW, for various reasons. But I'm considering an additional form of CotW. If you’re interested, please see Wikipedia:Breadth and quality. Maurreen 02:34, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Indian reservation's 35th vote has been retracted hours after the nominee's deadline to reach 35 votes. Should the nomination be deemed to have failed immediately or should it be given an extension (of say 24 hours) to meet the 35 vote threshold given that people who might have voted for the article might have thought it unnecessary since it seemed to be safe? What is the policy regarding vote retractions (2 have occured in this case)? Particularly what is the policy for vote retractions that would retroactively disqualify a candidate? AndyL 15:48, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I'm not sure I like the new Template:FAPath - the top of the page is really cluttered now, what with the WP:COTW shortcut, Template:CurrentCOTW and Template:COTWs. Comments? -- ALoan (Talk) 11:06, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Is there an easy way of posting messages on the talk pages of all those who voted for African art that the article has won election as COTW? (ie a way to post a message on multiple talk pages simultaneously)? Posting the same message on 25 odd talk pages is somewhat tedious. AndyL 18:36, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
To anyone who is using either of these templates. Please be advised, {{sectstub}} != (does not equal) {{sect-stub}}. Please remember to include the section number when using {{sect-stub}}. -- AllyUnion (talk) 13:09, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The concept of pruning is fine, but there is no date on the articles up for CTOW, so how do we know when to prune? - Amgine 22:47, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)
With the Christmas holidays should we delay the next COTW selection by a week until Jan 2, 2005 (and give all current nominees a one week grace period?)? I don't think a COTW for December 26 - January 2 will get very much work done on it. AndyL 17:24, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I don't want to be too bold on this, so I'll ask for input. Does anyone else think that maybe we should get rid of at least one template? Multiple templates + my monitor resolution = squeezed text and one headache trying to read some things. But then again, others may like the templates. So what do you think? -- The KoG | Talk 14:03, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)
Well, the consensus above seems to be that the FAPath one was unnecessary, and one user referred to it as "horrible". So that one, I guess. -- The KoG | Talk 17:02, Dec 22, 2004 (UTC)
OK, I moved the FAPath template farther down the page, which should satisfy both my screwed up text and those who want to keep the template. -- The KoG | Talk 20:40, Dec 29, 2004 (UTC)