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Hello @ AFI ping list and others (anyone can participate!):
The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:
Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 47 of 2014.
Also, this is the fourth week of a 4 week trial, where articles that receive only 3 points or less will be archived. At the end of this trial, project participants will examine the collection of articles archived in this manner, discuss, and if necessary reevaluate this archiving procedure. On behalf of the TAFI project, -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 06:27, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Results:
Result was Military technology, thanks everyone. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 06:52, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
In regard to that whole archiving experiment, I just wanted to point out that clearing out the backlog by removing any articles that don't get high enough point does nothing to actually improving articles. Whereas something like my suggestion (having 7 TAFI articles at any one time, then each day removing the oldest and adding the newest, so each article still lasts for 7 days but drops down as it loses its shiny newness) would do more to actually improve articles efficiently. I draw your attention to International Airport Ancient Roman architecture having a 2 week stint because of the Pizza issue, where nothing much happened to it in its second week. Removing articles without actually improving them is not a good idea, and simply sweeps an issue (relative slow improvement - 1 per week) under the ruf without attempting to find a solution. --
Coin945 (
talk)
13:43, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm bad at explaining so I might break into analogies or song and dance.. who knows. But I wanted to share an idea that I have which I think could potentially do major things to improve our efforts and hopefully participation as well. With so many people working on 1 article, I feel like it's not really that unreasonable to expect that every article we work on as a group should be able to achieve at least good article status by the end of the week. I mean, we've got a lot of editing power behind us.. We just need to organize and utilize those efforts better.
It would look sorta like this:
................Week1....Week2......Week3.........Week4...........Week5 Research.|-- Steak -- Airport -- Architecture--America--------Hotel Clean..... |----------Steak-----Airport------Architecture---America-- Polish......|-------------------Steak---------Airport--------Architecture--
We've already got plenty of participation I think but ultimately, we should always strive to get more people involved as well because it only exponentially greaters the power of the group. Here are the potential issues I see which could affect that to start off with..
With these potential issues in mind, here's my idea for resolving them and for organizing efforts more affectively.
I've been trying to be somewhat aware of how articles progress and I was thinking it's pretty clear, at least for some, to tell what people tend to gravitate to in editing, and what people are good at, or at least seem to enjoy the most. Some people make a lot of copy edits and fixes, some always add images, myself for example I tend to spend most of my time adding new content and improving existing references as I go but my big thing is the new content.. I was thinking it could be more effective if people amongst the group identified what they enjoy doing and are good at and then build teams within the group to bang out articles in structured team format. Currently it's just kinda like all hands, go for it.. do whatever.. not a lot of direction.
Say we had 3 teams: 1 team of people who really know the Wiki guidelines and want to make sure the articles are shiny and clean. And a second team that wants to focus most of their attention on filling out any areas of the article that are lacking with new content and quality references. And we have one last third team of people who are really the core members who know Wikipedia really well who want to see the article all the way thru and get articles featured as the best articles on Wikipedia. Cleaners. Researchers. Polishers. Work with the team on that weeks goal, work on all 3 teams or 2 teams or just 1 of the teams if you want.. we have a don't ask don't tell hankypanky policy related to inter-team mingling. Finn don't look at me like that it makes me uncomfortable.. :p
Each week, each team works on 1 article per week, and the project as a whole works on 3 articles per week. The first week, is pure content. Anyone interested in the subject researchers and throws everything they can at the article to fill it out. Forget about making sure it's all error free and whatnot.. that comes later.. Just fill it out with everything you can find. At the end of the week, that team moves on to a new article and the Cleaner crew comes in and cleans up the mess, adds images, makes sure everything is in the right spot and pick out the irrelevant additions, etc.. All the info is there now so they just take the clay and mold it in to shape. The researcher team just finished their second article and the second week is over so cleaners move on to the second article, researchers to the 3rd. The 3rd team (the polishing team) steps in on the 1st article and as the most skilled members are amongst the polish team, they make sure to resolve any last issues that cleaners missed and ideally as soon as the polish team gets it, it's ready to be peer reviewed so that 3rd team gets the article reviewed, resolved and on it's way to being a GA or FA nomination.
3 teams, 3 weeks, 1 article. David Condrey ( talk) 08:50, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
What happened to the article "Dishwashing liquid"? This article was approved for the holding area yet I do not see it in the holding area. What is going on?
Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 23:53, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Hello @ AFI ping list and others (anyone can participate!):
The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:
Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 48 of 2014.
Also, the 4 week trial for archiving has now concluded, the results of which will be discussed in a separate subsection. Archiving of articles will return to the previous method until the discussion has concluded. On behalf of the TAFI project, -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 07:08, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Results:
Result was Tourism in the Caribbean, thanks everyone. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 06:03, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
I just thought I should notify interested members of TAFI that some pretty drastic changes have occured over at Life sciences. Tomásdearg92 ( talk) 16:29, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
This article started with just a brief introduction of what a steak is, followed by a list of different types of beef steaks. AT the end we had an article that could easily be nominated for a GA. We created new sections on Etymology, Production, Marketing and sales, Cooking, Dining, Cultural significance, as well as sections on Beef steak, Fish steak, Lamb steak, Pork steak and Vegetarian steak. The article started at 8kb and 36kb, with almost none of the original content remaining. We also went from 4 to 24 images, and 3 citations to 53 citations.
Thanks to everyone involved, including @ Whiteghost.ink:, @ EuroCarGT:, @ Mark Miller:, @ Northamerica1000:, @ Amanda Smalls:, @ Evad37:, @ Arjayay:, @ Melonkelon:, @ SovalValtos:, @ Snowglobe123:, @ DGD-M:, @ David Condrey:, @ Graham87:, @ Gbeeker:, @ Rcsprinter123:, @ 154.20.173.99:, @ Macrakis:, @ Giraffedata:. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 04:14, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Central America started with a pretty good overview of the region and the people who inhabit it. It began with sections on History, Geography, Demographics, Politics, Infrastructure and Usage. After 7 days, we had improved those sections, as well as added new ones on, Climate, Waterways, Geology, Environment, Biodiversity, Ethnic and Religious groups, Economy, Education, Culture, and Mass media. The article started at 37kb and jumped up to 60kb, starting with 27 citations going up to 50, as well as 10 new images.
Thanks to everyone involved, including @ Northamerica1000:, @ MrWooHoo:, @ David Condrey:, @ EuroCarGT:, @ WolfmanSF:, @ Melody Lavender:, @ 112.203.168.17:, @ Spearhead Z:. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 04:14, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
This article began with just a list of 5 countries and the ice hotels that they have. After a week, the article had developed to have subsection for each country for the individual hotels, as well as an Overview and Construction section. The article started with 3 images, finishing with 13, as well as increasing from 5 to 27 citations and going from 10kb to 29kb.
Thanks to everyone involved, including @ EuroCarGT:, @ Finnusertop:, @ Northamerica1000:, @ DutchTreat:, @ Dottedpencil:, @ Melody Lavender:, @ 93.136.1.111:. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 04:14, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Why isn't International airport listed at WP:TAFIFC. It has been GA nominated. - NickGibson3900 Talk 02:23, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
Hello @ AFI ping list and others (anyone can participate!):
The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:
Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 49 of 2014. On behalf of the TAFI project, -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 06:11, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Results:
Result was Mexico–United States border, thanks everyone. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 06:22, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
This week's collaboration focused on National park. Improvements were generally focused on expanding general coverage of this topic, and involved expansions of the lede and Definition section, as well as the creation of Economic ramifications sections. Images were also rearranged, with some going into a gallery at the bottom of the article. This week's collaboration also helped identify future expansion possibilities, with placeholder sections for Biodiversity, Largest national parks and Legal framework, as well as identifying potential improvements to the North American-centric history section. Overall, both total and length increased by about 40%, with the article starting at 20kb and finishing at 28.6kb, and references increasing from 19 to 35.
Many thanks to @ Northamerica1000:, @ Melody Lavender:, @ Melonkelon:, @ Mark Marathon:, @ Rmhermen:, @ Jim.henderson:, @ EuroCarGT:, @ Vinícius94:, @ DASonnenfeld:, and @ Whiteghost.ink:. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 19:18, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
Now that the 4 week experiment of archiving articles with only 3 points or less, I wanted to start a discussion on how that worked, take a look at the articles that were identified, and see if there are any common threads that might help us guide our process in the future. For reference, the articles collected in this manner were:
So out of 40 articles that got nominated, 11 received less than 3 points, which is slightly over 25%. Of them, only 2 are assessed above start class (Return of the King at B and Second Language at C). None of them are much longer than 25kb, and more than half of them have some sort of cleanup tag.
Looking at the topics, I don't really find much of a common theme, so I don't really have any general conclusions to draw myself. I am really interested to see what everyone things about the whole idea, and if it is a permanent change we should implement. Keep in mind that none of these articles would be officially archived unless it is agreed among our participants that it is for the best, and archiving would also not prevent any or all of these articles from being renominated. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 22:38, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Hello @ AFI ping list and others (anyone can participate!):
The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:
Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 50 of 2014. On behalf of the TAFI project, -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 06:32, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Results:
Result was Game design, thanks everyone. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 07:14, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
This article is missing a topic area marked "Medical Science". I would like to nominate Intraoral dental sinus.
Intraoral dental sinus – ( page view stats • • talk • history)
The GA review of International Airport has begun if anyone would like to participate. David Condrey log talk 10:14, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
Please update the table of "accomplishments"! It is so out-of-date. Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 00:29, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Hello @ AFI ping list and others (anyone can participate!):
The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:
Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 51 of 2014. Articles receiving 3 points or less will be archived. On behalf of the TAFI project, -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 07:26, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Readding the ping list: @ AFI ping list. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 16:38, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Results:
Result was spaghetti, thanks everyone. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 07:06, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
This week chose to be a particular challenging article to improve, despite all editors having a great deal of experience with the subject matter. There was some discussion on the talk page about what direction to take the article in, and it generated some fruitful content. The article started as just 4 paragraphs, but it began to get some structure. It now has a fairly well developed lede, and 5 sections (Sociological perspectives, Media consumption, Language, Healthcare, and Active society and everyday life of the unemployed). Additionally the article doubled in length from 5kb to 10kb, went from 6 to 13 citation, as well as gaining an additional image.
Thanks to everyone involved including @ Whiteghost.ink, AuthorAuthor, Tom Morris, and Northamerica1000: @ JoeHebda, MelanieN, ChamithN, and David Condrey: @ K6ka and Melody Lavender: -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 03:07, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Week 45's article pizza was actually delayed from its initial schedule, because of a conflict involve a university class project. That's said, there were a lot of idea and improvements that were integrated over the last month to improve total article quality.
Some of the improvements during our weekly drive included an expanded lede, an expanded preparation section, and a section on National Pizza Month, as well as 4 new images , and the creation of the Pizza template. Overall length increased from 26kb to 30kb, and went from 45 to 53 citations. Other improvements that occurred as a result of the university class involved the addition of the Etymology section from another article, selective removal of content from the Varieties section to make it more balanced, and other general improvements.
Thanks to everyone involved, including @ Northamerica1000, Ɱ, Margin1522, and NG39: @ Amanda Smalls, EuroCarGT, Cloudz679, and Zy87: @ Arjayay, 7Sidz, Greynose, and Abs296: @ Dmh265, Oknazevad, Ryanicus Girraficus, and Zuzie3: @ SovalValtos, Avibavi, MSarahKurahashiSofue, and ChamithN: @ Afernand74, Niceguyedc, Margin1522, and Cannolis: @ Dmh265, Bearnfæder, Nelsonz4, and Wikiuser100: @ Mogism, Trappist the monk, Evad37, and Cutest Penguin: @ AuthorAuthor, Red Slash, Melody Lavender, and Kaldari: @ Bhootrina, ChamithN, 3-k-fee, and Kchishol1970: @ SNUGGUMS: -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 03:09, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
The GA nom for Java Man is still pending, and is quite close to being failed because of some outstanding issues. There are a number of items that could be worked on, if anyone has time. Please see the GA review. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 05:41, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
I'd like to recognize the efforts of @ Finnusertop:, @ EuroCarGT:, @ Wittylama:, @ Whiteghost.ink:, @ Melonkelon:, @ Rsrikanth05:, @ Northamerica1000:, @ Afernand74:, @ Evad37:, @ AuthorAuthor:, @ SovalValtos:, @ Wtshymanski:, @ Andrewgprout:, @ K7L:, and @ NickPenguin:. Through the collaboration of these members, we were able to improve the quality of International Airport from what was once little more than a single section unfinished article with a handful of images; to what is now a full fledge Good Article of Wikipedia and has subsequently been nominated to become one of Wikipedia's few Featured Articles. David Condrey log talk 08:14, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
@ AFI ping list Giant Snowman 18:43, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
–Added ampersands to the ping list for each user name. NorthAmerica 1000 07:41, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
@ GiantSnowman: @ Iselilja: @ NickPenguin: @ Davey2010: @ Northamerica1000:
According to this, the max limit was reduced from 100 to 20 in October :( - Evad37 [ talk 10:57, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
... {{TAFI ping list|1}} ~~~~
; 2nd edit: 2nd edit: {{TAFI ping list|2}} ~~~~
. The second edit must be seen by the software as an addition of new content, not just a change to the existing content.And just to test it: @ Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar - Evad37 [ talk 11:49, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
@ Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius - Evad37 [ talk 11:50, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Hello @ AFI ping list and others (anyone can participate!):
The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:
Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 52 of 2014. Articles receiving 3 points or less will be archived. On behalf of the TAFI project, -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 07:16, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Results:
Result was Natural phenomenon, thanks everyone. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 20:47, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
The GA nom for Steak is beginning, with essentially just a few minor copy edits to allow it to pass. Anyone interested in helping out, please see the outstanding issues at Talk:Steak/GA1. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 22:40, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
This article began essentially as a lede paragraph, with 4 short lists rounding out the article. Over the course of the collaboration, there was some discussion about the History section, and the scope of the article. Major improvements include an incredible History section, a Modern Technology and Future Technology sections, as well as some expansion of the lists with Fortifications and Communications.
This article is about such a broad subject, it continues to have the potential for a great deal of future improvement. Further improvements may include sharing content with History of military technology, a B class article that could be used to support this article. That article is focused mostly on technology after WW1, and Military technology has a lot of ancient and post-classical technology. A synthesis of the two articles would result in improvements to both.
Overall the article went from 0 to 12 citations, 11 of which are in the History section, the addition of 5 images, and the increase of article size from 4kb to 21kb.
Thanks to everyone involved, including @ EuroCarGT, SovalValtos, RayWyman, and Ypnypn: @ David Condrey, Finnusertop, and Nikolas Tales:. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 08:15, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Here are the numbers of the articles I have picked. Guess the articles I have picked for Week 2 2015.
38, 39, 84, 333, 176, 275, 111, 89, 47, 98
Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 06:24, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Hello @ AFI ping list and others (anyone can participate!):
The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:
Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC on 29th November, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 52 of 2014. Articles receiving 3 points or less will be archived. On behalf of the TAFI project, Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 00:10, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
P.S. These were chosen by random numbers.
@ Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar @ Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 16:52, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
@ Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 04:44, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Results below. Thanks everyone who voted. - Evad37 [ talk 07:04, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Cartoonist | 6 |
Hors d'oeuvre | 12 |
Holy Spirit | 8 |
Victory | 1 - will be archived |
Angels & Demons | 3 - will be archived |
Skyline | 13 - will be scheduled |
Toilet paper | 12 |
Induction loop | 0 - will be archived |
Monkey | 8 |
Atmosphere | 9 |
@ Evad37: I have marked Tourism in the Caribbean. Do you agree with my marking? You can always check. Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 03:14, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I have been working on a proposal to return TAFI to the Main Page. I have tried to introduce many of the ideas that we have been kicking around on this page as part of the proposal, but I would like to get some larger input. I have transcluded that page here in a separate subsection. The proposal can be viewed/edited here. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 04:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Articles for improvement/Archive 13/Main page proposal
This is the latest version of the proposed full-width main page box (the inside is the same code currently used on the WP:TAFI page) - Evad37 [ talk 04:50, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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I added some info about the Further collaboration page. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 18:15, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Is there a reason Tuesday was chosen? To balance things out, I would have suggested Wed/Thu/Fri. -- Ypnypn ( talk) 04:13, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
1. Given the current format, the project's page probably should be moved back to
Wikipedia:Today's article for improvement.
2. I object to the "overly ambitious expectations" claim. To be blunt, the trial's outcome failed to meet even the lowest of reasonable expectations. (I say "reasonable" because some persons expressed satisfaction that "articles were being improved", despite the fact that almost all of the tiny number of edits were performed by this project's members.)
To be clear, the above isn't commentary on why the endeavor failed (for which I don't mean to assign blame).
3. TFL expanded to twice per week (Monday and Friday) in February of this year. That has no direct impact on the above idea, but the description should be corrected. (And I'll note that Tuesday seems like a sensible choice, given that Wednesday has been mentioned as a possible third day for TFL.)
4. Most importantly, for this proposal to be viable, it must incorporate information about the project's user recruitment rate and specific efforts to guide new participants through the editing process. As I've noted previously, unless such an infrastructure exists, the project simply isn't prepared to function as intended (assuming that it's capable of attracting editors in the first place). The existence of article improvements only demonstrates organization/cooperation among existing members (i.e. a normal WikiProject, not a reader-facing collaboration). —
David Levy
05:15, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello @ Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar , @ Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius and others (anyone can participate!):
The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:
Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 2 of 2015. Articles receiving 3 points or less will be archived. Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 21:01, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Results:
Result was Dishwashing liquid, thanks everyone. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 07:02, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
@ Cloudz679: It's hard to say how to make sure that the picking of numbers is fair. Do you want to pick the articles for the following weeks? I feel bored of this. Anyway, try the "picking numbers" method but improve the fairness such as using a dice or something. Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 03:59, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
I archived the other unsuccessful ones. Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 23:20, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
This article began as two main sections, a History and a Downside section, with 10 references from two main sources. As the week progressed, the Downside section was integrated in a more neutral manner, as well as the creation of new sections such as Economy, Attractions, Tourists and Cultural impacts. Total citations almost tripled, from 10 to 28, and length increased from 10.5kb to 16kb, as well as adding 7 new images, and the removal of all maintenance tags.
Many thanks to everyone involved, including @ EuroCarGT, Cloudz679, EMachine03, and Dylanfromthenorth: @ CaroleHenson, Northamerica1000, SovalValtos, and Finnusertop: @ Afernand74, Qwertyxp2000, K6ka, and Jim.henderson:. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 06:45, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
This article was in a developed state when it came across our project, it had solid structure, good references, and many high quality images. This weeks collaboration focused more on incremental changes, and a great deal of effort was spent improving references for style and data. Improvements to the lede, Border regions, Disagreements over need for more resources, as well as a new name for the Mexico-United States barrier section rounded out some of the more visual improvements. Rearrangement of images also improved presentation in the article, as well as 3 additional references, and a slight increase in total length from 46kb to 47kb.
Thanks to everyone involved, including @ Northamerica1000, K6ka, 173.174.174.12, and Dylanfromthenorth: @ 74.248.179.80, MelanieN, Afernand74, and Finnusertop: @ Jim.henderson, RightCowLeftCoast, Clr324, and Jeff in CA:. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 06:45, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | Archive 13 | Archive 14 | Archive 15 | → | Archive 20 |
Hello @ AFI ping list and others (anyone can participate!):
The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:
Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 47 of 2014.
Also, this is the fourth week of a 4 week trial, where articles that receive only 3 points or less will be archived. At the end of this trial, project participants will examine the collection of articles archived in this manner, discuss, and if necessary reevaluate this archiving procedure. On behalf of the TAFI project, -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 06:27, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
Results:
Result was Military technology, thanks everyone. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 06:52, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
In regard to that whole archiving experiment, I just wanted to point out that clearing out the backlog by removing any articles that don't get high enough point does nothing to actually improving articles. Whereas something like my suggestion (having 7 TAFI articles at any one time, then each day removing the oldest and adding the newest, so each article still lasts for 7 days but drops down as it loses its shiny newness) would do more to actually improve articles efficiently. I draw your attention to International Airport Ancient Roman architecture having a 2 week stint because of the Pizza issue, where nothing much happened to it in its second week. Removing articles without actually improving them is not a good idea, and simply sweeps an issue (relative slow improvement - 1 per week) under the ruf without attempting to find a solution. --
Coin945 (
talk)
13:43, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm bad at explaining so I might break into analogies or song and dance.. who knows. But I wanted to share an idea that I have which I think could potentially do major things to improve our efforts and hopefully participation as well. With so many people working on 1 article, I feel like it's not really that unreasonable to expect that every article we work on as a group should be able to achieve at least good article status by the end of the week. I mean, we've got a lot of editing power behind us.. We just need to organize and utilize those efforts better.
It would look sorta like this:
................Week1....Week2......Week3.........Week4...........Week5 Research.|-- Steak -- Airport -- Architecture--America--------Hotel Clean..... |----------Steak-----Airport------Architecture---America-- Polish......|-------------------Steak---------Airport--------Architecture--
We've already got plenty of participation I think but ultimately, we should always strive to get more people involved as well because it only exponentially greaters the power of the group. Here are the potential issues I see which could affect that to start off with..
With these potential issues in mind, here's my idea for resolving them and for organizing efforts more affectively.
I've been trying to be somewhat aware of how articles progress and I was thinking it's pretty clear, at least for some, to tell what people tend to gravitate to in editing, and what people are good at, or at least seem to enjoy the most. Some people make a lot of copy edits and fixes, some always add images, myself for example I tend to spend most of my time adding new content and improving existing references as I go but my big thing is the new content.. I was thinking it could be more effective if people amongst the group identified what they enjoy doing and are good at and then build teams within the group to bang out articles in structured team format. Currently it's just kinda like all hands, go for it.. do whatever.. not a lot of direction.
Say we had 3 teams: 1 team of people who really know the Wiki guidelines and want to make sure the articles are shiny and clean. And a second team that wants to focus most of their attention on filling out any areas of the article that are lacking with new content and quality references. And we have one last third team of people who are really the core members who know Wikipedia really well who want to see the article all the way thru and get articles featured as the best articles on Wikipedia. Cleaners. Researchers. Polishers. Work with the team on that weeks goal, work on all 3 teams or 2 teams or just 1 of the teams if you want.. we have a don't ask don't tell hankypanky policy related to inter-team mingling. Finn don't look at me like that it makes me uncomfortable.. :p
Each week, each team works on 1 article per week, and the project as a whole works on 3 articles per week. The first week, is pure content. Anyone interested in the subject researchers and throws everything they can at the article to fill it out. Forget about making sure it's all error free and whatnot.. that comes later.. Just fill it out with everything you can find. At the end of the week, that team moves on to a new article and the Cleaner crew comes in and cleans up the mess, adds images, makes sure everything is in the right spot and pick out the irrelevant additions, etc.. All the info is there now so they just take the clay and mold it in to shape. The researcher team just finished their second article and the second week is over so cleaners move on to the second article, researchers to the 3rd. The 3rd team (the polishing team) steps in on the 1st article and as the most skilled members are amongst the polish team, they make sure to resolve any last issues that cleaners missed and ideally as soon as the polish team gets it, it's ready to be peer reviewed so that 3rd team gets the article reviewed, resolved and on it's way to being a GA or FA nomination.
3 teams, 3 weeks, 1 article. David Condrey ( talk) 08:50, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
What happened to the article "Dishwashing liquid"? This article was approved for the holding area yet I do not see it in the holding area. What is going on?
Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 23:53, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Hello @ AFI ping list and others (anyone can participate!):
The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:
Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 48 of 2014.
Also, the 4 week trial for archiving has now concluded, the results of which will be discussed in a separate subsection. Archiving of articles will return to the previous method until the discussion has concluded. On behalf of the TAFI project, -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 07:08, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Results:
Result was Tourism in the Caribbean, thanks everyone. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 06:03, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
I just thought I should notify interested members of TAFI that some pretty drastic changes have occured over at Life sciences. Tomásdearg92 ( talk) 16:29, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
This article started with just a brief introduction of what a steak is, followed by a list of different types of beef steaks. AT the end we had an article that could easily be nominated for a GA. We created new sections on Etymology, Production, Marketing and sales, Cooking, Dining, Cultural significance, as well as sections on Beef steak, Fish steak, Lamb steak, Pork steak and Vegetarian steak. The article started at 8kb and 36kb, with almost none of the original content remaining. We also went from 4 to 24 images, and 3 citations to 53 citations.
Thanks to everyone involved, including @ Whiteghost.ink:, @ EuroCarGT:, @ Mark Miller:, @ Northamerica1000:, @ Amanda Smalls:, @ Evad37:, @ Arjayay:, @ Melonkelon:, @ SovalValtos:, @ Snowglobe123:, @ DGD-M:, @ David Condrey:, @ Graham87:, @ Gbeeker:, @ Rcsprinter123:, @ 154.20.173.99:, @ Macrakis:, @ Giraffedata:. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 04:14, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Central America started with a pretty good overview of the region and the people who inhabit it. It began with sections on History, Geography, Demographics, Politics, Infrastructure and Usage. After 7 days, we had improved those sections, as well as added new ones on, Climate, Waterways, Geology, Environment, Biodiversity, Ethnic and Religious groups, Economy, Education, Culture, and Mass media. The article started at 37kb and jumped up to 60kb, starting with 27 citations going up to 50, as well as 10 new images.
Thanks to everyone involved, including @ Northamerica1000:, @ MrWooHoo:, @ David Condrey:, @ EuroCarGT:, @ WolfmanSF:, @ Melody Lavender:, @ 112.203.168.17:, @ Spearhead Z:. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 04:14, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
This article began with just a list of 5 countries and the ice hotels that they have. After a week, the article had developed to have subsection for each country for the individual hotels, as well as an Overview and Construction section. The article started with 3 images, finishing with 13, as well as increasing from 5 to 27 citations and going from 10kb to 29kb.
Thanks to everyone involved, including @ EuroCarGT:, @ Finnusertop:, @ Northamerica1000:, @ DutchTreat:, @ Dottedpencil:, @ Melody Lavender:, @ 93.136.1.111:. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 04:14, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
Why isn't International airport listed at WP:TAFIFC. It has been GA nominated. - NickGibson3900 Talk 02:23, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
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Results:
Result was Mexico–United States border, thanks everyone. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 06:22, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
This week's collaboration focused on National park. Improvements were generally focused on expanding general coverage of this topic, and involved expansions of the lede and Definition section, as well as the creation of Economic ramifications sections. Images were also rearranged, with some going into a gallery at the bottom of the article. This week's collaboration also helped identify future expansion possibilities, with placeholder sections for Biodiversity, Largest national parks and Legal framework, as well as identifying potential improvements to the North American-centric history section. Overall, both total and length increased by about 40%, with the article starting at 20kb and finishing at 28.6kb, and references increasing from 19 to 35.
Many thanks to @ Northamerica1000:, @ Melody Lavender:, @ Melonkelon:, @ Mark Marathon:, @ Rmhermen:, @ Jim.henderson:, @ EuroCarGT:, @ Vinícius94:, @ DASonnenfeld:, and @ Whiteghost.ink:. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 19:18, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
Now that the 4 week experiment of archiving articles with only 3 points or less, I wanted to start a discussion on how that worked, take a look at the articles that were identified, and see if there are any common threads that might help us guide our process in the future. For reference, the articles collected in this manner were:
So out of 40 articles that got nominated, 11 received less than 3 points, which is slightly over 25%. Of them, only 2 are assessed above start class (Return of the King at B and Second Language at C). None of them are much longer than 25kb, and more than half of them have some sort of cleanup tag.
Looking at the topics, I don't really find much of a common theme, so I don't really have any general conclusions to draw myself. I am really interested to see what everyone things about the whole idea, and if it is a permanent change we should implement. Keep in mind that none of these articles would be officially archived unless it is agreed among our participants that it is for the best, and archiving would also not prevent any or all of these articles from being renominated. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 22:38, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Hello @ AFI ping list and others (anyone can participate!):
The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:
Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 50 of 2014. On behalf of the TAFI project, -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 06:32, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Results:
Result was Game design, thanks everyone. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 07:14, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
This article is missing a topic area marked "Medical Science". I would like to nominate Intraoral dental sinus.
Intraoral dental sinus – ( page view stats • • talk • history)
The GA review of International Airport has begun if anyone would like to participate. David Condrey log talk 10:14, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
Please update the table of "accomplishments"! It is so out-of-date. Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 00:29, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:
Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 51 of 2014. Articles receiving 3 points or less will be archived. On behalf of the TAFI project, -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 07:26, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Readding the ping list: @ AFI ping list. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 16:38, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Results:
Result was spaghetti, thanks everyone. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 07:06, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
This week chose to be a particular challenging article to improve, despite all editors having a great deal of experience with the subject matter. There was some discussion on the talk page about what direction to take the article in, and it generated some fruitful content. The article started as just 4 paragraphs, but it began to get some structure. It now has a fairly well developed lede, and 5 sections (Sociological perspectives, Media consumption, Language, Healthcare, and Active society and everyday life of the unemployed). Additionally the article doubled in length from 5kb to 10kb, went from 6 to 13 citation, as well as gaining an additional image.
Thanks to everyone involved including @ Whiteghost.ink, AuthorAuthor, Tom Morris, and Northamerica1000: @ JoeHebda, MelanieN, ChamithN, and David Condrey: @ K6ka and Melody Lavender: -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 03:07, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Week 45's article pizza was actually delayed from its initial schedule, because of a conflict involve a university class project. That's said, there were a lot of idea and improvements that were integrated over the last month to improve total article quality.
Some of the improvements during our weekly drive included an expanded lede, an expanded preparation section, and a section on National Pizza Month, as well as 4 new images , and the creation of the Pizza template. Overall length increased from 26kb to 30kb, and went from 45 to 53 citations. Other improvements that occurred as a result of the university class involved the addition of the Etymology section from another article, selective removal of content from the Varieties section to make it more balanced, and other general improvements.
Thanks to everyone involved, including @ Northamerica1000, Ɱ, Margin1522, and NG39: @ Amanda Smalls, EuroCarGT, Cloudz679, and Zy87: @ Arjayay, 7Sidz, Greynose, and Abs296: @ Dmh265, Oknazevad, Ryanicus Girraficus, and Zuzie3: @ SovalValtos, Avibavi, MSarahKurahashiSofue, and ChamithN: @ Afernand74, Niceguyedc, Margin1522, and Cannolis: @ Dmh265, Bearnfæder, Nelsonz4, and Wikiuser100: @ Mogism, Trappist the monk, Evad37, and Cutest Penguin: @ AuthorAuthor, Red Slash, Melody Lavender, and Kaldari: @ Bhootrina, ChamithN, 3-k-fee, and Kchishol1970: @ SNUGGUMS: -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 03:09, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
The GA nom for Java Man is still pending, and is quite close to being failed because of some outstanding issues. There are a number of items that could be worked on, if anyone has time. Please see the GA review. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 05:41, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
I'd like to recognize the efforts of @ Finnusertop:, @ EuroCarGT:, @ Wittylama:, @ Whiteghost.ink:, @ Melonkelon:, @ Rsrikanth05:, @ Northamerica1000:, @ Afernand74:, @ Evad37:, @ AuthorAuthor:, @ SovalValtos:, @ Wtshymanski:, @ Andrewgprout:, @ K7L:, and @ NickPenguin:. Through the collaboration of these members, we were able to improve the quality of International Airport from what was once little more than a single section unfinished article with a handful of images; to what is now a full fledge Good Article of Wikipedia and has subsequently been nominated to become one of Wikipedia's few Featured Articles. David Condrey log talk 08:14, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
@ AFI ping list Giant Snowman 18:43, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
–Added ampersands to the ping list for each user name. NorthAmerica 1000 07:41, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
@ GiantSnowman: @ Iselilja: @ NickPenguin: @ Davey2010: @ Northamerica1000:
According to this, the max limit was reduced from 100 to 20 in October :( - Evad37 [ talk 10:57, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
... {{TAFI ping list|1}} ~~~~
; 2nd edit: 2nd edit: {{TAFI ping list|2}} ~~~~
. The second edit must be seen by the software as an addition of new content, not just a change to the existing content.And just to test it: @ Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar - Evad37 [ talk 11:49, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
@ Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius - Evad37 [ talk 11:50, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Hello @ AFI ping list and others (anyone can participate!):
The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:
Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 52 of 2014. Articles receiving 3 points or less will be archived. On behalf of the TAFI project, -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 07:16, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
Results:
Result was Natural phenomenon, thanks everyone. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 20:47, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
The GA nom for Steak is beginning, with essentially just a few minor copy edits to allow it to pass. Anyone interested in helping out, please see the outstanding issues at Talk:Steak/GA1. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 22:40, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
This article began essentially as a lede paragraph, with 4 short lists rounding out the article. Over the course of the collaboration, there was some discussion about the History section, and the scope of the article. Major improvements include an incredible History section, a Modern Technology and Future Technology sections, as well as some expansion of the lists with Fortifications and Communications.
This article is about such a broad subject, it continues to have the potential for a great deal of future improvement. Further improvements may include sharing content with History of military technology, a B class article that could be used to support this article. That article is focused mostly on technology after WW1, and Military technology has a lot of ancient and post-classical technology. A synthesis of the two articles would result in improvements to both.
Overall the article went from 0 to 12 citations, 11 of which are in the History section, the addition of 5 images, and the increase of article size from 4kb to 21kb.
Thanks to everyone involved, including @ EuroCarGT, SovalValtos, RayWyman, and Ypnypn: @ David Condrey, Finnusertop, and Nikolas Tales:. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 08:15, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Here are the numbers of the articles I have picked. Guess the articles I have picked for Week 2 2015.
38, 39, 84, 333, 176, 275, 111, 89, 47, 98
Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 06:24, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
Hello @ AFI ping list and others (anyone can participate!):
The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:
Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC on 29th November, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 52 of 2014. Articles receiving 3 points or less will be archived. On behalf of the TAFI project, Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 00:10, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
P.S. These were chosen by random numbers.
@ Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar @ Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 16:52, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
@ Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 04:44, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
Results below. Thanks everyone who voted. - Evad37 [ talk 07:04, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Cartoonist | 6 |
Hors d'oeuvre | 12 |
Holy Spirit | 8 |
Victory | 1 - will be archived |
Angels & Demons | 3 - will be archived |
Skyline | 13 - will be scheduled |
Toilet paper | 12 |
Induction loop | 0 - will be archived |
Monkey | 8 |
Atmosphere | 9 |
@ Evad37: I have marked Tourism in the Caribbean. Do you agree with my marking? You can always check. Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 03:14, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
I have been working on a proposal to return TAFI to the Main Page. I have tried to introduce many of the ideas that we have been kicking around on this page as part of the proposal, but I would like to get some larger input. I have transcluded that page here in a separate subsection. The proposal can be viewed/edited here. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 04:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Articles for improvement/Archive 13/Main page proposal
This is the latest version of the proposed full-width main page box (the inside is the same code currently used on the WP:TAFI page) - Evad37 [ talk 04:50, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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I added some info about the Further collaboration page. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 18:15, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Is there a reason Tuesday was chosen? To balance things out, I would have suggested Wed/Thu/Fri. -- Ypnypn ( talk) 04:13, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
1. Given the current format, the project's page probably should be moved back to
Wikipedia:Today's article for improvement.
2. I object to the "overly ambitious expectations" claim. To be blunt, the trial's outcome failed to meet even the lowest of reasonable expectations. (I say "reasonable" because some persons expressed satisfaction that "articles were being improved", despite the fact that almost all of the tiny number of edits were performed by this project's members.)
To be clear, the above isn't commentary on why the endeavor failed (for which I don't mean to assign blame).
3. TFL expanded to twice per week (Monday and Friday) in February of this year. That has no direct impact on the above idea, but the description should be corrected. (And I'll note that Tuesday seems like a sensible choice, given that Wednesday has been mentioned as a possible third day for TFL.)
4. Most importantly, for this proposal to be viable, it must incorporate information about the project's user recruitment rate and specific efforts to guide new participants through the editing process. As I've noted previously, unless such an infrastructure exists, the project simply isn't prepared to function as intended (assuming that it's capable of attracting editors in the first place). The existence of article improvements only demonstrates organization/cooperation among existing members (i.e. a normal WikiProject, not a reader-facing collaboration). —
David Levy
05:15, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello @ Buster7, Northamerica1000, NickPenguin, Whiteghost.ink, Ypnypn, Madalibi, Moswento, Kvng, Coin945, Mark Miller, Evad37, Buffbills7701, GiantSnowman, EMachine03, EuroCarGT, CSJJ104, Iselilja, Khamar , @ Finnusertop, Tomásdearg92, CSJJ104, Davey2010, Stuartyeates, Gongshow, Jim Carter - Public, SL93, MrWooHoo, The boss 1998, Qwertyxp2000, Bananasoldier, Rcsprinter123, Epicgenius and others (anyone can participate!):
The following articles have been randomly chosen from the holding area:
Please indicate, before 23:59 UTC Saturday, your top three preferences in order: your top pick first, then your second choice, and then your third. These will be allocated 3, 2, and 1 points respectively, and the most popular article (with the most points) will be added to the scheduled for week 2 of 2015. Articles receiving 3 points or less will be archived. Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 21:01, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Results:
Result was Dishwashing liquid, thanks everyone. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 07:02, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
@ Cloudz679: It's hard to say how to make sure that the picking of numbers is fair. Do you want to pick the articles for the following weeks? I feel bored of this. Anyway, try the "picking numbers" method but improve the fairness such as using a dice or something. Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 03:59, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
I archived the other unsuccessful ones. Qwertyxp2000 ( talk) 23:20, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
This article began as two main sections, a History and a Downside section, with 10 references from two main sources. As the week progressed, the Downside section was integrated in a more neutral manner, as well as the creation of new sections such as Economy, Attractions, Tourists and Cultural impacts. Total citations almost tripled, from 10 to 28, and length increased from 10.5kb to 16kb, as well as adding 7 new images, and the removal of all maintenance tags.
Many thanks to everyone involved, including @ EuroCarGT, Cloudz679, EMachine03, and Dylanfromthenorth: @ CaroleHenson, Northamerica1000, SovalValtos, and Finnusertop: @ Afernand74, Qwertyxp2000, K6ka, and Jim.henderson:. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 06:45, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
This article was in a developed state when it came across our project, it had solid structure, good references, and many high quality images. This weeks collaboration focused more on incremental changes, and a great deal of effort was spent improving references for style and data. Improvements to the lede, Border regions, Disagreements over need for more resources, as well as a new name for the Mexico-United States barrier section rounded out some of the more visual improvements. Rearrangement of images also improved presentation in the article, as well as 3 additional references, and a slight increase in total length from 46kb to 47kb.
Thanks to everyone involved, including @ Northamerica1000, K6ka, 173.174.174.12, and Dylanfromthenorth: @ 74.248.179.80, MelanieN, Afernand74, and Finnusertop: @ Jim.henderson, RightCowLeftCoast, Clr324, and Jeff in CA:. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 06:45, 9 December 2014 (UTC)