Response from Smoothswim
Please use the talk page to discuss disagreements about articles AnUnnamedUser. Instead of just turning your nose up and flagging content.
"Wikipedia is not a crystal ball for speculating into future events; besides, little content and undersourced." See WP:FUTURE. From AnUnnamedUser
At no point is the term "crystal ball" mentioned in the article, nor was it implied that anyone involved in creating the article owned one. Or could "tell the future." The cite is from the IOC themselves. If you do not recognise the IOC as the official Olympic organising body, I'm sure the information on Wikipedia can help. ;) Instead of flagging an article, it would simply be helpful to suggest first, _how_ it can be improved, instead of attempting to "throw it to the wall" for deletion.
The article is also clearly marked as a stub and as such has one commit and is a WIP.
Should we also delete the page for the 2024 Summer Olympics???
I'll also add that before flagging an article for deletion, /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion#Considerations should be observed. Could AnUnnamedUser please confirm that they have read /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Reasons_for_deletion ? And could AnUnnamedUser point out exactly which reason for deletion listed in the linked internal document they are referencing in their attack on this page?
Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Special:Contributions/AnUnnamedUser&offset=&limit=500&target=AnUnnamedUser is evidence of serial deletion and I am in the process of reporting the user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smoothswim ( talk • contribs) 03:14, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Response from AnUnnamedUser
- Smoothswim Wikipedia policy dictates that articles that do not adhere to Wikipedia policy, including crystal balls, can be held up for deletion discussions by any user. This does not mean that they will be deleted. Instead, other users can debate the article's worthiness. After a period of seven days, a verdict can be reached through consensus. If the verdict is "delete," the article will be deleted. For other reasons to delete, see Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, Wikipedia:Notability, and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. A few years later, this article will probably be worthy of re-creation because of more coverage, but not right now. Thank you. From AnUnnamedUser (open talk page) 17:00, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Response from Smoothswim
- AnUnnamedUser First of all, Thank You for taking the time out to communicate in the correct place this time. Next, the cite clearly states a direct quote from the IOC stating that as things stand, the skateboarding event will happen at the 2024 Olympics and with a direct signal as such, there is no reason to assume that it will not occur. The only crystal ball (in the flawed theoretical and stereo typical contexts you have used) appears to be your own.
Please note that I have reported your account in the appropriate place due to the fact that I can see multiple delete flags in your history and nothing about your communications or actions so far, appear to be constructive or inline with anything but your own decisions, instead of following the guidelines here on Wikipedia. I understand the process of deletion. I have read the documentation which is relevant and I find it offensive and arrogant that you would attempt to "spell" as such out for me here as part of this process.
The issue is that you have completely ignored my comments/questions and not provided any constructive feedback at all. Here is what you need to do:
- Read /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion#Considerations and understand for the future, the relevance of the topics discussed there in relation to content deletion on Wikipedia.org
- Be positive and helpful in suggesting _how_ the article can be improved in your eyes
- Describe why you are flagging stub articles for deletion four minutes after the first commit: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Skateboarding_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics&action=history
- (By your logic) Flag the the page for the 2024 Summer Olympics for deletion as it too covers the same event and it's early stages of planning
- List _exactly_ why you want this article deleted. Your "crystal ball" excuse has been debunked as there are linked references which remove this ambiguity completely
Please do so below:
Response from AnUnnamedUser
The article does not need to be improved because it needs to be deleted. Notability is not inherent. It's because of reliable sources that cover a topic. Whereas there are many reliable sources covering the 2024 Summer Olympics generally, there are few covering a skateboarding event. From AnUnnamedUser (open talk page) 22:07, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
- This is also the reason why there's no article on the 2032 US presidential election, although it's almost certain that there'll be one. From AnUnnamedUser (open talk page) 22:08, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Response from Smoothswim
- AnUnnamedUser Again, questions not answered sufficiently. Argumentative tone. Lack of Civility.
Not only do you have a misleading username but you still can't provide a single reason, as per the guidelines to attempt to delete this article.
The article does not need to be deleted. My point still stands. Please save your condensing definitions for yourself. The 2032 USPE is in 12 years. The Olympics in 2024 are in approx. 3 years and 9 months.
This page's creation will occur closer to the event anyway. Deleting it will just damage Wikipedia, as I have noticed you engaging in within your commit history. What I care about here is the fact that I spotted you serial deleting. Your history says everything, while you contribute nothing. All while you proceed on your self appointed attempt to kill content on Wikipedia. No wonder on lookers from the outside view Wikipedia as less and less relevant. There's nothing here any more. It's all being deleted.
- I could write an essay to refute this, but refer to WP:ANI since our dispute is going nowhere. From AnUnnamedUser (open talk page) 02:56, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
Response from Smoothswim
Please use the talk page to discuss disagreements about articles AnUnnamedUser. Instead of just turning your nose up and flagging content.
"Wikipedia is not a crystal ball for speculating into future events; besides, little content and undersourced." See WP:FUTURE. From AnUnnamedUser
At no point is the term "crystal ball" mentioned in the article, nor was it implied that anyone involved in creating the article owned one. Or could "tell the future." The cite is from the IOC themselves. If you do not recognise the IOC as the official Olympic organising body, I'm sure the information on Wikipedia can help. ;) Instead of flagging an article, it would simply be helpful to suggest first, _how_ it can be improved, instead of attempting to "throw it to the wall" for deletion.
The article is also clearly marked as a stub and as such has one commit and is a WIP.
Should we also delete the page for the 2024 Summer Olympics???
I'll also add that before flagging an article for deletion, /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion#Considerations should be observed. Could AnUnnamedUser please confirm that they have read /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Reasons_for_deletion ? And could AnUnnamedUser point out exactly which reason for deletion listed in the linked internal document they are referencing in their attack on this page?
Also, https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Special:Contributions/AnUnnamedUser&offset=&limit=500&target=AnUnnamedUser is evidence of serial deletion and I am in the process of reporting the user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smoothswim ( talk • contribs) 03:14, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Response from AnUnnamedUser
- Smoothswim Wikipedia policy dictates that articles that do not adhere to Wikipedia policy, including crystal balls, can be held up for deletion discussions by any user. This does not mean that they will be deleted. Instead, other users can debate the article's worthiness. After a period of seven days, a verdict can be reached through consensus. If the verdict is "delete," the article will be deleted. For other reasons to delete, see Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, Wikipedia:Notability, and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. A few years later, this article will probably be worthy of re-creation because of more coverage, but not right now. Thank you. From AnUnnamedUser (open talk page) 17:00, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Response from Smoothswim
- AnUnnamedUser First of all, Thank You for taking the time out to communicate in the correct place this time. Next, the cite clearly states a direct quote from the IOC stating that as things stand, the skateboarding event will happen at the 2024 Olympics and with a direct signal as such, there is no reason to assume that it will not occur. The only crystal ball (in the flawed theoretical and stereo typical contexts you have used) appears to be your own.
Please note that I have reported your account in the appropriate place due to the fact that I can see multiple delete flags in your history and nothing about your communications or actions so far, appear to be constructive or inline with anything but your own decisions, instead of following the guidelines here on Wikipedia. I understand the process of deletion. I have read the documentation which is relevant and I find it offensive and arrogant that you would attempt to "spell" as such out for me here as part of this process.
The issue is that you have completely ignored my comments/questions and not provided any constructive feedback at all. Here is what you need to do:
- Read /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion#Considerations and understand for the future, the relevance of the topics discussed there in relation to content deletion on Wikipedia.org
- Be positive and helpful in suggesting _how_ the article can be improved in your eyes
- Describe why you are flagging stub articles for deletion four minutes after the first commit: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Skateboarding_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics&action=history
- (By your logic) Flag the the page for the 2024 Summer Olympics for deletion as it too covers the same event and it's early stages of planning
- List _exactly_ why you want this article deleted. Your "crystal ball" excuse has been debunked as there are linked references which remove this ambiguity completely
Please do so below:
Response from AnUnnamedUser
The article does not need to be improved because it needs to be deleted. Notability is not inherent. It's because of reliable sources that cover a topic. Whereas there are many reliable sources covering the 2024 Summer Olympics generally, there are few covering a skateboarding event. From AnUnnamedUser (open talk page) 22:07, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
- This is also the reason why there's no article on the 2032 US presidential election, although it's almost certain that there'll be one. From AnUnnamedUser (open talk page) 22:08, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Response from Smoothswim
- AnUnnamedUser Again, questions not answered sufficiently. Argumentative tone. Lack of Civility.
Not only do you have a misleading username but you still can't provide a single reason, as per the guidelines to attempt to delete this article.
The article does not need to be deleted. My point still stands. Please save your condensing definitions for yourself. The 2032 USPE is in 12 years. The Olympics in 2024 are in approx. 3 years and 9 months.
This page's creation will occur closer to the event anyway. Deleting it will just damage Wikipedia, as I have noticed you engaging in within your commit history. What I care about here is the fact that I spotted you serial deleting. Your history says everything, while you contribute nothing. All while you proceed on your self appointed attempt to kill content on Wikipedia. No wonder on lookers from the outside view Wikipedia as less and less relevant. There's nothing here any more. It's all being deleted.
- I could write an essay to refute this, but refer to WP:ANI since our dispute is going nowhere. From AnUnnamedUser (open talk page) 02:56, 4 October 2019 (UTC)