If all links to officical wesites are a no-no and need to be weeded out because of the commercial and advertisement nature of these links, then wikipedia and its editors need to be fair handed across the board and review many other sites that have and continue to do the same ie Shaquille O'Neals site, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_and_Teller, as well as others. If the organization is to be fair and balanced these sites too would be up for review. Sincerely R.Ambrose
To whom it may concern:
**Why are the words "third party" in quotation marks in your statement? -- JChap 23:16, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I understand where all the thought and discussion has come from and is headed. If I was more Wiki-WISE at the creation of the entire article, when I first logged in and registered under a different name other than Roger Ambrose, would I have been recognized as a “third party” not partial and more neutral? If so, then the question is how many other articles have been written by the Wiki-WISE or a “third-person” PR firm. The fact that I was honest and naïve at the onset now renders me a villain and poisons the well. Yes, this article was written by Roger Ambrose, yes is could be re-written to an even more neutral position, but are my actions totally out of line to eliminate this article completely?
A compromise idea would be to let me rewrite this article in a more neutral position and wording and to follow the requests to weed out any hint of advertisement that is the article, after which it is out there for the world to edit and change at will. What if inaccurate information was to be placed in the article after that point? Am I forbidden from making any editorial corrections?
Whether I am notable or not is up for interpretation, I only would like to know who has the final say or judgment here? If my actions have offended any editor or administrator, I apologize; they were not intended as such. I again leave this for your group discussion and will wait for the “final decision”. Sincerely R.Ambrose
I don't understand the complete deletion of this page. I am not trying to be a pest by re-submitting the article (it was all I knew how to do) I was not trying to be sneaky at all, I thought it was just an automated bot's deletion.
I have communicated with all the other editors comments and guidelines to the best of my ability. I could use some help here. As I was seeing from all the other comments by editors, I was following or changing any suggestions being made.
Now, as a more familar user of wikipedia, I understand that in fact I should not have created this article myself. I tried to keep it as nutural as possible, but to give as much info on the subject as possible. I appreciate the notation to the IMDb listing on my work as a reason for my remaining on wikipedia.
Again if I am totally out of line, so be it. I will live with your rulings here, but would like a civil explaination. Thank you. R.Ambrose
If all links to offical websites are a no-no and need to be weeded out because of the commercial and advertisement nature of these links, then wikipedia and its editors need to be fair handed across the board and review many other sites that have and continue to do the same ie Shaquille O'Neals site, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_and_Teller, as well as others. If the organization is to be fair and balanced these sites too would be up for review. Sincerely R.Ambrose
Roger, I think you're misperceiving the reason for people's misgivings. Have a look at the style (and length) of other articles in Category:Production designers and Category:Art directors. They are far more terse and far less promotional. It's not in the style of Wikipedia entries to have 8 advertising montages of work and a portfolio of 16 images of set designs, every one emblazoned with the web address. Nor is it the style to have pages of CV listing every single production someone's been involved in: it's usual to pick the salient ones and summarise. To be blunt, the expectation is that this article should run to about one screenful. Tearlach 19:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I did not understand the “signing in” mode, as fully as I do now. I was not trying to trick anyone with an anynomous IP “anon” editor mode to hide my tracks. I just honestly did not know the “rules”.
I also did not read the rules as far as “self authorship”-for this I am sorry. I was just an excited newbie, exploring this new “wiki-stuff”. When I was made aware of any issue by your editors, I tried to learn and correct my errors, but not until this “uproar” did I see how off I was.
I have no idea who or why Cuthbert11 has got such a bug up his/her butt over my mistakes and this article. He/she seems to be recently involved here, just because of this article. Maybe a personal issue against me, who knows.
As for the notation that I am all over the internet (by my own actions), all these other encyclopedia listings are bot-copies of your wikipedia site. I had nothing to do with these and am still amazed at the unfolding internet connections. For me this has been an internet education beyond belief.
As I have stated before. It is wikipedia’s call on this article. I just find it very amazing to watch unfold. There really does not seem to be any control over who is a qualified editor and who is just in it as a “control/power” issue. Whether there is an article on me here or not really does not matter. My life and the quality therein is not derived from wikipedia’s acceptance or not. I have and will continue to “have a life” outside of this cyberspace arena called Wikipedia.
Sincerely,
Roger C. Ambrose
Roger ambrose
01:36, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Aka:
If all links to officical wesites are a no-no and need to be weeded out because of the commercial and advertisement nature of these links, then wikipedia and its editors need to be fair handed across the board and review many other sites that have and continue to do the same ie Shaquille O'Neals site, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_and_Teller, as well as others. If the organization is to be fair and balanced these sites too would be up for review. Sincerely R.Ambrose
To whom it may concern:
**Why are the words "third party" in quotation marks in your statement? -- JChap 23:16, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I understand where all the thought and discussion has come from and is headed. If I was more Wiki-WISE at the creation of the entire article, when I first logged in and registered under a different name other than Roger Ambrose, would I have been recognized as a “third party” not partial and more neutral? If so, then the question is how many other articles have been written by the Wiki-WISE or a “third-person” PR firm. The fact that I was honest and naïve at the onset now renders me a villain and poisons the well. Yes, this article was written by Roger Ambrose, yes is could be re-written to an even more neutral position, but are my actions totally out of line to eliminate this article completely?
A compromise idea would be to let me rewrite this article in a more neutral position and wording and to follow the requests to weed out any hint of advertisement that is the article, after which it is out there for the world to edit and change at will. What if inaccurate information was to be placed in the article after that point? Am I forbidden from making any editorial corrections?
Whether I am notable or not is up for interpretation, I only would like to know who has the final say or judgment here? If my actions have offended any editor or administrator, I apologize; they were not intended as such. I again leave this for your group discussion and will wait for the “final decision”. Sincerely R.Ambrose
I don't understand the complete deletion of this page. I am not trying to be a pest by re-submitting the article (it was all I knew how to do) I was not trying to be sneaky at all, I thought it was just an automated bot's deletion.
I have communicated with all the other editors comments and guidelines to the best of my ability. I could use some help here. As I was seeing from all the other comments by editors, I was following or changing any suggestions being made.
Now, as a more familar user of wikipedia, I understand that in fact I should not have created this article myself. I tried to keep it as nutural as possible, but to give as much info on the subject as possible. I appreciate the notation to the IMDb listing on my work as a reason for my remaining on wikipedia.
Again if I am totally out of line, so be it. I will live with your rulings here, but would like a civil explaination. Thank you. R.Ambrose
If all links to offical websites are a no-no and need to be weeded out because of the commercial and advertisement nature of these links, then wikipedia and its editors need to be fair handed across the board and review many other sites that have and continue to do the same ie Shaquille O'Neals site, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_and_Teller, as well as others. If the organization is to be fair and balanced these sites too would be up for review. Sincerely R.Ambrose
Roger, I think you're misperceiving the reason for people's misgivings. Have a look at the style (and length) of other articles in Category:Production designers and Category:Art directors. They are far more terse and far less promotional. It's not in the style of Wikipedia entries to have 8 advertising montages of work and a portfolio of 16 images of set designs, every one emblazoned with the web address. Nor is it the style to have pages of CV listing every single production someone's been involved in: it's usual to pick the salient ones and summarise. To be blunt, the expectation is that this article should run to about one screenful. Tearlach 19:20, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I did not understand the “signing in” mode, as fully as I do now. I was not trying to trick anyone with an anynomous IP “anon” editor mode to hide my tracks. I just honestly did not know the “rules”.
I also did not read the rules as far as “self authorship”-for this I am sorry. I was just an excited newbie, exploring this new “wiki-stuff”. When I was made aware of any issue by your editors, I tried to learn and correct my errors, but not until this “uproar” did I see how off I was.
I have no idea who or why Cuthbert11 has got such a bug up his/her butt over my mistakes and this article. He/she seems to be recently involved here, just because of this article. Maybe a personal issue against me, who knows.
As for the notation that I am all over the internet (by my own actions), all these other encyclopedia listings are bot-copies of your wikipedia site. I had nothing to do with these and am still amazed at the unfolding internet connections. For me this has been an internet education beyond belief.
As I have stated before. It is wikipedia’s call on this article. I just find it very amazing to watch unfold. There really does not seem to be any control over who is a qualified editor and who is just in it as a “control/power” issue. Whether there is an article on me here or not really does not matter. My life and the quality therein is not derived from wikipedia’s acceptance or not. I have and will continue to “have a life” outside of this cyberspace arena called Wikipedia.
Sincerely,
Roger C. Ambrose
Roger ambrose
01:36, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Aka: