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Hi there. I just noticed the proposed decision and I wonder, what about theserialcomma ( talk · contribs), who has been named as a involved party? Shouldn't the proposed decision at least mention whether the allegations against them have been correct or incorrect? Regards So Why 18:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
It's the third time I post this comment below, because the first 2 times it was deleted for not being at the right place. Now can you guys have a little bit of respect too for REGULAR editors who are not versed into all your bureaucracy, please, thank you (I think the place where to put comments for arbitration cases is not clear, as is demonstrated by Dougweller's bit of text posted December 19th). Don't remove this section again or I will build a case of disrespect against these administrators. I don't like to be (implicitely) censored by guys I've never seen or heard about. --Alainr345 22:29, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
"While not a party to this particular action in any form or fashion, I would like to add that I personally have had no bad experiences with Tothwolf in the past.
-- Alain R 3 4 5
Techno-Wiki-Geek 21:53, 8 December 2009 (UTC)"
I would like to thank the ArbCom for this particularly "editors reminded", so-2008 decision, which managed to radicalize some editors, who now vote "keep, it's open source" or similar in practically all AfDs involving such software, e.g. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HOCR (software), just to counterbalance the "radical deletionists" (real or perceived). This pretty much guarantees another ArbCom case down the road. Pcap ping 18:36, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Is there a reason the verbs here are "may be blocked" instead of "should be blocked?"
Consider the arbitrator comment when the issue was brought here, "The problem seems to be a lack of engagement by the administrator corps," it seems appropriate that it should also be handed back to those same administrators who lacked engagement with a more strongly worded request for them to deal with it. Tothwolf seems to have been given mercy on more than half of a dozen previous attempts at WP:WQA and WP:ANI because of his social relationships with administrators who were willing to play obfuscation of the underlying civility problem. If Arbcom, the last step of dispute resolution, doesn't provide a strong call to act on the problem, I have no faith the problem will be acted on.
I will also note the length of time, six months in proposal 1, is shorter than the time the problem has lasted. Miami33139 ( talk) 21:36, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
This is given as 2nd in the list of examples of Tothwolf assuming bad faith with the nominator (JBsupreme), but if you look at the AfD closure, it was closed as speedy keep hardly a day later by admin User:Brandon; nobody but JBsupreme though the article should be deleted. Although the closing admin did not give a rationale for the speedy part, the only choice in WP:SK is that the nom was in bad faith (point 2), because none of the other apply. Perhaps you should also sanction User:Brandon for assuming bad faith with JB? Pcap ping 15:41, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Miami33139 is still attempting to alter, hide, or otherwise remove comments I make. [1] -- Tothwolf ( talk) 17:15, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Theserialcomma as well: [2] -- Tothwolf ( talk) 17:21, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I've already emailed some of this directly to ArbCom, but I may as well expand this to include more diffs and contrib links and post it publicly so that everyone can compare these for themselves.
Regarding proposed findings of fact # 2 Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tothwolf/Proposed decision#Deletion nominations and harassment:
"It is more likely that Miami33139 has identified articles to propose or nominate for deletion from categories or lists of articles, rather than by any malevolent following of Tothwolf's contributions list (for example: [3], five consecutive deletion nominations of members of Category:Internet Relay Chat bouncers, gateways and proxies)." (emphesis mine)
This was written as "It is more likely ..." noting this as a possibility, and not a hard fact. These diffs and the category links/diffs below nullify that hypothesis: [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]
(The above diffs are already on the Evidence page, but it might be easy to overlook some of them given the sheer volume of evidence.)
Category:Internet Relay Chat bouncers, gateways and proxies ( history):
Category:Internet Relay Chat bots ( history):
(See also deleted contributions)
These were not the only categories I created which Miami33139 targeted. Another related example is Category:Internet Relay Chat games ( CFD nom) which was another category which I created where Miami33139 CFD'd the category after prodding/AfD'd most of the articles that I had previously added there.
Much more (including lots of non IRC-related material) can be found in the wikitable here.
-- Tothwolf ( talk) 23:15, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
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Hi there. I just noticed the proposed decision and I wonder, what about theserialcomma ( talk · contribs), who has been named as a involved party? Shouldn't the proposed decision at least mention whether the allegations against them have been correct or incorrect? Regards So Why 18:22, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
It's the third time I post this comment below, because the first 2 times it was deleted for not being at the right place. Now can you guys have a little bit of respect too for REGULAR editors who are not versed into all your bureaucracy, please, thank you (I think the place where to put comments for arbitration cases is not clear, as is demonstrated by Dougweller's bit of text posted December 19th). Don't remove this section again or I will build a case of disrespect against these administrators. I don't like to be (implicitely) censored by guys I've never seen or heard about. --Alainr345 22:29, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
"While not a party to this particular action in any form or fashion, I would like to add that I personally have had no bad experiences with Tothwolf in the past.
-- Alain R 3 4 5
Techno-Wiki-Geek 21:53, 8 December 2009 (UTC)"
I would like to thank the ArbCom for this particularly "editors reminded", so-2008 decision, which managed to radicalize some editors, who now vote "keep, it's open source" or similar in practically all AfDs involving such software, e.g. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HOCR (software), just to counterbalance the "radical deletionists" (real or perceived). This pretty much guarantees another ArbCom case down the road. Pcap ping 18:36, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
Is there a reason the verbs here are "may be blocked" instead of "should be blocked?"
Consider the arbitrator comment when the issue was brought here, "The problem seems to be a lack of engagement by the administrator corps," it seems appropriate that it should also be handed back to those same administrators who lacked engagement with a more strongly worded request for them to deal with it. Tothwolf seems to have been given mercy on more than half of a dozen previous attempts at WP:WQA and WP:ANI because of his social relationships with administrators who were willing to play obfuscation of the underlying civility problem. If Arbcom, the last step of dispute resolution, doesn't provide a strong call to act on the problem, I have no faith the problem will be acted on.
I will also note the length of time, six months in proposal 1, is shorter than the time the problem has lasted. Miami33139 ( talk) 21:36, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
This is given as 2nd in the list of examples of Tothwolf assuming bad faith with the nominator (JBsupreme), but if you look at the AfD closure, it was closed as speedy keep hardly a day later by admin User:Brandon; nobody but JBsupreme though the article should be deleted. Although the closing admin did not give a rationale for the speedy part, the only choice in WP:SK is that the nom was in bad faith (point 2), because none of the other apply. Perhaps you should also sanction User:Brandon for assuming bad faith with JB? Pcap ping 15:41, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
Miami33139 is still attempting to alter, hide, or otherwise remove comments I make. [1] -- Tothwolf ( talk) 17:15, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Theserialcomma as well: [2] -- Tothwolf ( talk) 17:21, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
I've already emailed some of this directly to ArbCom, but I may as well expand this to include more diffs and contrib links and post it publicly so that everyone can compare these for themselves.
Regarding proposed findings of fact # 2 Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tothwolf/Proposed decision#Deletion nominations and harassment:
"It is more likely that Miami33139 has identified articles to propose or nominate for deletion from categories or lists of articles, rather than by any malevolent following of Tothwolf's contributions list (for example: [3], five consecutive deletion nominations of members of Category:Internet Relay Chat bouncers, gateways and proxies)." (emphesis mine)
This was written as "It is more likely ..." noting this as a possibility, and not a hard fact. These diffs and the category links/diffs below nullify that hypothesis: [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]
(The above diffs are already on the Evidence page, but it might be easy to overlook some of them given the sheer volume of evidence.)
Category:Internet Relay Chat bouncers, gateways and proxies ( history):
Category:Internet Relay Chat bots ( history):
(See also deleted contributions)
These were not the only categories I created which Miami33139 targeted. Another related example is Category:Internet Relay Chat games ( CFD nom) which was another category which I created where Miami33139 CFD'd the category after prodding/AfD'd most of the articles that I had previously added there.
Much more (including lots of non IRC-related material) can be found in the wikitable here.
-- Tothwolf ( talk) 23:15, 22 January 2010 (UTC)