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Bit short, isn't it? :-) Carcharoth ( talk) 11:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Out of the blue, but great idea. Can I be as bold as to suggest WP:SORRY as a shortcut? Gazimoff Write Read 16:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Well said, especially the part about sincerely offering apologies when they're warranted. We would all have a much better experience here if more editors were willing to admit their mistakes. ATren ( talk) 19:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Good essay! I can't help noticing that WP:'( is a free redirect... hmm, maybe! -- tiny plastic Grey Knight ⊖ 13:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I rarely, as the article notes, expect an apology from someone, but it seems that sometimes it is needed. For one, when a user is way out of line and is on the verge of being kicked out, it seems that an apology is the least the person can do. Furthermore, when people make a personal attack on each other, that should be grounds for requiring an apology. I suppose it gets sticky from there, because there are times when people take personal offense to a difference of opinion.
Are there ever instances where an apology is required, or a common rule of engagement?
NittyG ( talk) 01:59, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Just a little concerned about this one. Of course a transparently insincere "non-apology" can be in itself quite rude, and certainly no substitute for a "real" apology - on the other hand expressing guilt or remorse when one remains quite sure that the offence the other person took was hyper-sensitive or even contrived can also be blatantly insincere, and in fact look more like sarcastic gloating than real regret. BUT what about "Although I did not mean to imply ... I realise that my remarks could have been taken that way, and I am sincerely sorry for the (unintended) offence they caused". Or even "I'm very sorry my remarks caused offence". An apology of this kind borders on the "non-apology" (in fact there is a grey area where it could be taken either way). On the other hand it can be seen as driven as much by aversion to hypocrisy as a disinclination to admit fault - I think in most circumstances a reasonable person would give such a "non-apology" the benefit of any doubt over its "good faith". Subject to comment - I think I will rewrite the section concerned to be a little more flexible.-- Soundofmusicals ( talk) 02:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm really sorry
. NB Most people can't do this.
MinorProphet (
talk) 05:12, 6 September 2017 (UTC)I am not entirely happy at the discussion of unintended offence in the section on non-apology. One cannot be too prescriptive about forms of words, as most editors are not literary masters. I think that a phrase such as "I'm sorry that you were upset" is OK as long as you make it clear that they were not the active party by "being upset" but that it was your action that caused the upset, for example; "I'm sorry that you were upset by my comment. I did not mean it to upset you and I realise now that it could be interpreted the wrong way. What I meant to say was..."
I'd like to see some changes to reflect all this, but I'd also like some feedback first, before I try anything too drastic. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 13:50, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
Essays Low‑impact | ||||||||||
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Bit short, isn't it? :-) Carcharoth ( talk) 11:53, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Out of the blue, but great idea. Can I be as bold as to suggest WP:SORRY as a shortcut? Gazimoff Write Read 16:28, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Well said, especially the part about sincerely offering apologies when they're warranted. We would all have a much better experience here if more editors were willing to admit their mistakes. ATren ( talk) 19:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Good essay! I can't help noticing that WP:'( is a free redirect... hmm, maybe! -- tiny plastic Grey Knight ⊖ 13:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I rarely, as the article notes, expect an apology from someone, but it seems that sometimes it is needed. For one, when a user is way out of line and is on the verge of being kicked out, it seems that an apology is the least the person can do. Furthermore, when people make a personal attack on each other, that should be grounds for requiring an apology. I suppose it gets sticky from there, because there are times when people take personal offense to a difference of opinion.
Are there ever instances where an apology is required, or a common rule of engagement?
NittyG ( talk) 01:59, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
Just a little concerned about this one. Of course a transparently insincere "non-apology" can be in itself quite rude, and certainly no substitute for a "real" apology - on the other hand expressing guilt or remorse when one remains quite sure that the offence the other person took was hyper-sensitive or even contrived can also be blatantly insincere, and in fact look more like sarcastic gloating than real regret. BUT what about "Although I did not mean to imply ... I realise that my remarks could have been taken that way, and I am sincerely sorry for the (unintended) offence they caused". Or even "I'm very sorry my remarks caused offence". An apology of this kind borders on the "non-apology" (in fact there is a grey area where it could be taken either way). On the other hand it can be seen as driven as much by aversion to hypocrisy as a disinclination to admit fault - I think in most circumstances a reasonable person would give such a "non-apology" the benefit of any doubt over its "good faith". Subject to comment - I think I will rewrite the section concerned to be a little more flexible.-- Soundofmusicals ( talk) 02:14, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm really sorry
. NB Most people can't do this.
MinorProphet (
talk) 05:12, 6 September 2017 (UTC)I am not entirely happy at the discussion of unintended offence in the section on non-apology. One cannot be too prescriptive about forms of words, as most editors are not literary masters. I think that a phrase such as "I'm sorry that you were upset" is OK as long as you make it clear that they were not the active party by "being upset" but that it was your action that caused the upset, for example; "I'm sorry that you were upset by my comment. I did not mean it to upset you and I realise now that it could be interpreted the wrong way. What I meant to say was..."
I'd like to see some changes to reflect all this, but I'd also like some feedback first, before I try anything too drastic. — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 13:50, 30 June 2018 (UTC)