This page was nominated for deletion on 2007-06-19. The result of the discussion was Speedy keep. |
Please add new sections to the bottom of the page
-- Thatcher 16:06, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
I have severe reservations about this article. In my opinion Wikipedia shouldn't state or support opposition of the law. I don't care if China's censorship of Wikipedia is wrong, we shouldn't support the circumventing of any law anywhere in any place. I will talk with Jimbo on this. If he agrees, this may need speedy deletion.-- Ipatrol ( talk) 19:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Furthermore (and to echo something the other anon said), just because something is "a law" somewhere doesn't make it just, or worth our consideration. Lots of nasty regimes create lots of laws that no reasonable entity would comply with (e.g. because they violate international-law concepts of human right) unless one would be directly subject to punishment for not doing so. WMF in particular has an explicit mission of providing unfettered access to information and tools to create and disseminate it, making it incompatible by definition with things like the Great Firewall of China. As for risks specific individuals may incur in evading things like their own jurisdiction's censorship systems, they are already aware of these risks and are doing it anyway on a regular basis. WP is not increasing their risk; this page tells people how to best interact with WP through Tor if they have already decided to take the risk of bypassing unethical governmental restrictions.
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SMcCandlish
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11:05, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
And can anyone tell me why? I thought there was a system in place for legitimate users to create accounts and then edit via Tor... -- AndySimpson talk? 11:09, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
The project page states:
However, Wikipedia:WikiProject on closed proxies/Criteria states:
How is someone from China supposed to make 3,000 edits in order to qualify? Is one supposed to make 3,000 diffs and e-mail them to a closed proxy operator? -- Damian Yerrick ( talk | stalk) 14:39, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.38.70.7 ( talk) 10:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Tor is by no means only interesting for users from China. There are numerous other states that censor the web. Also, censorship is only one reason to use Tor, anonymity is another. So I propose to to move the page to "Wikipedia:Advice to users using Tor". -- Tobias ( Talk) 09:43, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Before:
After:
This new version flatly contradicts what is at the top of the project page:
Consider:
Mike V, please explain. -- Babelfisch ( talk) 12:57, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
The paper is
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help)It was covered in The Signpost at Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-12-22/Recent_research.
This page was nominated for deletion on 2007-06-19. The result of the discussion was Speedy keep. |
Please add new sections to the bottom of the page
-- Thatcher 16:06, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
I have severe reservations about this article. In my opinion Wikipedia shouldn't state or support opposition of the law. I don't care if China's censorship of Wikipedia is wrong, we shouldn't support the circumventing of any law anywhere in any place. I will talk with Jimbo on this. If he agrees, this may need speedy deletion.-- Ipatrol ( talk) 19:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Furthermore (and to echo something the other anon said), just because something is "a law" somewhere doesn't make it just, or worth our consideration. Lots of nasty regimes create lots of laws that no reasonable entity would comply with (e.g. because they violate international-law concepts of human right) unless one would be directly subject to punishment for not doing so. WMF in particular has an explicit mission of providing unfettered access to information and tools to create and disseminate it, making it incompatible by definition with things like the Great Firewall of China. As for risks specific individuals may incur in evading things like their own jurisdiction's censorship systems, they are already aware of these risks and are doing it anyway on a regular basis. WP is not increasing their risk; this page tells people how to best interact with WP through Tor if they have already decided to take the risk of bypassing unethical governmental restrictions.
—
SMcCandlish
☏
¢ 😼
11:05, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
And can anyone tell me why? I thought there was a system in place for legitimate users to create accounts and then edit via Tor... -- AndySimpson talk? 11:09, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
The project page states:
However, Wikipedia:WikiProject on closed proxies/Criteria states:
How is someone from China supposed to make 3,000 edits in order to qualify? Is one supposed to make 3,000 diffs and e-mail them to a closed proxy operator? -- Damian Yerrick ( talk | stalk) 14:39, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.38.70.7 ( talk) 10:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Tor is by no means only interesting for users from China. There are numerous other states that censor the web. Also, censorship is only one reason to use Tor, anonymity is another. So I propose to to move the page to "Wikipedia:Advice to users using Tor". -- Tobias ( Talk) 09:43, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Before:
After:
This new version flatly contradicts what is at the top of the project page:
Consider:
Mike V, please explain. -- Babelfisch ( talk) 12:57, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
The paper is
{{
cite conference}}
: Unknown parameter |booktitle=
ignored (|book-title=
suggested) (
help)It was covered in The Signpost at Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-12-22/Recent_research.