This page has archives. Sections older than 14 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 4 sections are present.
What is a cladogram:
A cladogram is an infographic that shows the relationships of scientific taxa. These can be useful to show how animals are related in almost any article on organisms.
What can have a cladogram:
Any article with enough information in the literature about its systematics can have a cladogram added. A single cladogram can be used on multiple articles.
Exception: Cladograms cannot be created in situations where the taxon has not appeared in at least one published analysis. Linnaean systematics cannot be translated into cladograms. Original research cladograms are not allowed.
Formats for cladograms:
The most significant features of cladograms can often be altered to fit specific articles with limited space.
The font size can be reduced with larger cladograms so that less space is taken up.
Default font size is 85% point size but can be changed between 75 and 100% upon request.
Line lengths affect how far the cladogram reaches across the page.
To fit images in the whitespace beside a cladogram with over 15 taxa a size below 90% is recommended, but sizes upwards that can be used to fill the cladogram across the whole article left-right.
Boxing a cladogram can allow for it to be positioned in line with text, and onto specific sides of a page.
Exception: Very large cladograms (~40+ taxa) should never be boxed, as they will take up far too much vertical space.
When specific formats are wanted please mention them in the cladogram request, otherwise Cladogram Creators will use their own discretion.
Images in cladograms:
Images like silhouettes or lateral views of skulls or life restorations can be added to cladograms
Note: when adding images, it is important to ensure that |middle is placed before the |thumb or equivalent, otherwise Firefox will render the images aligned to the bottom of the text and the taxon named will become uncentered.
Tips for Cladogram Creators:
Try to avoid edit conflicts by promptly replying to all requests that you intend to work on. Losing all your progress isn't fun.
Feel free to ask for help from others, we're all in this together.
Keep the OR rules in mind when creating cladograms. Don't add unpublished information to them.
Can I please request 2 cladograms made from
figure 5 of
this paper? I know it's an absolute monster of a cladogram so for the first one, instead of showing every genus I'd like for the shown branches to stop at the families. The second one I'd like is a cladogram for just Stenochiridae.
Olmagon (
talk) 12:07, 24 November 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Macrophyseter: I apologise; I meant to include
this URL. The image appeared in this Google search even though I couldn't find it in the journal.
20 upper (
talk) 18:05, 21 January 2024 (UTC)reply
That's from an entirely different paper[1] lol. Here's the cladogram.
Macrophyseter |
talk 18:59, 21 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Hemiauchenia pointed out issues with a morphology-based cladogram used in some mammoth articles, and added a newer genetic study, but the resulting cladogram is
WP:synth of the two and should just be entirely replaced by the newer cladogram. So I'd like to see if fig. 3 from this
[2] paper could be made.
FunkMonk (
talk) 18:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)reply
How does this look? -
SlvrHwk (
talk) 19:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)reply
It is fundamentally impossible to correctly and accurately represent the relationships between woolly and Columbian mammoths using a standard binary splitting cladogram. Really an image needs to be created in order to show the nuance. This diagram in Nature isn't a bad template.
[3].
Hemiauchenia (
talk) 20:20, 20 February 2024 (UTC)reply
We can't combine different trees, and the point here is to show relationships between species. The complex relations between woolly and Columbian mammoths is described in detail in an entire section below anyway.
FunkMonk (
talk) 21:20, 20 February 2024 (UTC)reply
The cladogram looks good and I've added it to the
woolly mammoth article,
SlvrHwk, but I just noticed that the Elephantidae label is on the clade that includes Mammut americanum, but it was outside this clade. Could you move the Elephantidae label to the clade that includes the rest but excludes Mammut americanum? The paper doesn't give a name for the more inclusive clade.
FunkMonk (
talk) 23:21, 21 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks,
SlvrHwk, would it be possible to also do it directly in the Mammuthus primigenius article? I'm not sure how to do it, and I already added common names to it.
FunkMonk (
talk) 00:51, 23 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Sure, sorry I didn't think to do that in the first place. Let me know if anything else needs to be fixed. -
SlvrHwk (
talk) 01:00, 23 February 2024 (UTC)reply
This page has archives. Sections older than 14 days may be automatically archived by Lowercase sigmabot III when more than 4 sections are present.
What is a cladogram:
A cladogram is an infographic that shows the relationships of scientific taxa. These can be useful to show how animals are related in almost any article on organisms.
What can have a cladogram:
Any article with enough information in the literature about its systematics can have a cladogram added. A single cladogram can be used on multiple articles.
Exception: Cladograms cannot be created in situations where the taxon has not appeared in at least one published analysis. Linnaean systematics cannot be translated into cladograms. Original research cladograms are not allowed.
Formats for cladograms:
The most significant features of cladograms can often be altered to fit specific articles with limited space.
The font size can be reduced with larger cladograms so that less space is taken up.
Default font size is 85% point size but can be changed between 75 and 100% upon request.
Line lengths affect how far the cladogram reaches across the page.
To fit images in the whitespace beside a cladogram with over 15 taxa a size below 90% is recommended, but sizes upwards that can be used to fill the cladogram across the whole article left-right.
Boxing a cladogram can allow for it to be positioned in line with text, and onto specific sides of a page.
Exception: Very large cladograms (~40+ taxa) should never be boxed, as they will take up far too much vertical space.
When specific formats are wanted please mention them in the cladogram request, otherwise Cladogram Creators will use their own discretion.
Images in cladograms:
Images like silhouettes or lateral views of skulls or life restorations can be added to cladograms
Note: when adding images, it is important to ensure that |middle is placed before the |thumb or equivalent, otherwise Firefox will render the images aligned to the bottom of the text and the taxon named will become uncentered.
Tips for Cladogram Creators:
Try to avoid edit conflicts by promptly replying to all requests that you intend to work on. Losing all your progress isn't fun.
Feel free to ask for help from others, we're all in this together.
Keep the OR rules in mind when creating cladograms. Don't add unpublished information to them.
Can I please request 2 cladograms made from
figure 5 of
this paper? I know it's an absolute monster of a cladogram so for the first one, instead of showing every genus I'd like for the shown branches to stop at the families. The second one I'd like is a cladogram for just Stenochiridae.
Olmagon (
talk) 12:07, 24 November 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Macrophyseter: I apologise; I meant to include
this URL. The image appeared in this Google search even though I couldn't find it in the journal.
20 upper (
talk) 18:05, 21 January 2024 (UTC)reply
That's from an entirely different paper[1] lol. Here's the cladogram.
Macrophyseter |
talk 18:59, 21 January 2024 (UTC)reply
Hemiauchenia pointed out issues with a morphology-based cladogram used in some mammoth articles, and added a newer genetic study, but the resulting cladogram is
WP:synth of the two and should just be entirely replaced by the newer cladogram. So I'd like to see if fig. 3 from this
[2] paper could be made.
FunkMonk (
talk) 18:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)reply
How does this look? -
SlvrHwk (
talk) 19:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)reply
It is fundamentally impossible to correctly and accurately represent the relationships between woolly and Columbian mammoths using a standard binary splitting cladogram. Really an image needs to be created in order to show the nuance. This diagram in Nature isn't a bad template.
[3].
Hemiauchenia (
talk) 20:20, 20 February 2024 (UTC)reply
We can't combine different trees, and the point here is to show relationships between species. The complex relations between woolly and Columbian mammoths is described in detail in an entire section below anyway.
FunkMonk (
talk) 21:20, 20 February 2024 (UTC)reply
The cladogram looks good and I've added it to the
woolly mammoth article,
SlvrHwk, but I just noticed that the Elephantidae label is on the clade that includes Mammut americanum, but it was outside this clade. Could you move the Elephantidae label to the clade that includes the rest but excludes Mammut americanum? The paper doesn't give a name for the more inclusive clade.
FunkMonk (
talk) 23:21, 21 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks,
SlvrHwk, would it be possible to also do it directly in the Mammuthus primigenius article? I'm not sure how to do it, and I already added common names to it.
FunkMonk (
talk) 00:51, 23 February 2024 (UTC)reply
Sure, sorry I didn't think to do that in the first place. Let me know if anything else needs to be fixed. -
SlvrHwk (
talk) 01:00, 23 February 2024 (UTC)reply